Log for #openttd on 5th June 2014:
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00:33:44  <mist> it just felt as if every time i pulled out some traintracks to a place the industry just disappeared
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01:02:51  <MTsPony> Is it possible to save multiplayer game, and reduce opcodes setting then reload?
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07:39:43  <planetmaker> MTsPony, yes. But you could do the same w/o saving by simply using the rcon
07:39:51  <planetmaker> I think
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12:09:42  * planetmaker learnt about python's dir() method. Handy if the documentation of things are bad
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12:10:55  <Eddi|zuHause> how did you ever use python without dir?
12:11:09  <planetmaker> I wonder, too :)
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15:07:26  <Zuu_> Oh, my rented van got TTF on the license plate :-)
15:11:26  <LordAro> :D
15:11:29  <LordAro> o/ Zuu_
15:12:39  <planetmaker> o/ Zuu_ :) Long time no seen :)
15:13:02  <Zuu_> Hello
15:13:35  <Zuu_> It was not that long ago that I joined IRC :-)
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15:21:15  <Zuu_> Hello Alberth
15:23:13  <Zuu_> I started OpenTTD some days ago and saw the new adv. settings re-order. I really like the new categories.
15:23:38  <planetmaker> say thanks to frosch :)
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15:24:01  <Zuu_> Thanks frosch :-)
15:24:24  <planetmaker> probably more effective when he's around ;)
15:24:35  <Pikka> where'd he go?
15:24:49  <planetmaker> pushing power animals through the pipes
15:24:52  <Zuu_> Oh well. :-)
15:25:00  <planetmaker> windy day, so much to do, I guess ;)
15:27:12  <Alberth> hi Zuu_ and planetmaker, indeed, /me didn't change the settings :)
15:27:52  <Alberth> still very busy?
15:28:14  <Zuu_> It was just by coincident that I said hello to you just before thinking about the settings. :-)
15:31:26  <Zuu_> The EP election accessibility survey I was doing on spare time has passed by, though Sweden goes to election again soon after summer. :-) But well, my studies of sign language is comming to an end and back to work. :-)
15:33:42  <Alberth> someone should invent a way to make work optional :)
15:34:35  <Zuu_> A money printer?
15:35:07  <Pikka> work is optional
15:35:13  <Pikka> providing eating is also optional
15:35:36  <Alberth> hmm, that reduces lifespan expectations drastically
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16:02:29  <Zuu_> Time to go with TTF ;-)
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16:19:15  <Eddi|zuHause> you can eat perfectly well without working
16:19:31  <Eddi|zuHause> given that you can live with minimal luxury and the government nagging you all the time
16:20:09  <Eddi|zuHause> and that you live anywhere within "civilized" countries :p
16:21:35  <Eddi|zuHause> <- interesting read about how "everyone gets more and more free time" didn't happen
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16:39:03  <planetmaker> o/
16:46:00  <Alberth> hai
16:47:41  <Taede> ello
16:48:56  <frosch123> hola
16:50:04  <SpComb> Mui.
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17:14:22  <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r26629 /trunk/src (3 files in 3 dirs) (2014-06-05 17:14:16 UTC)
17:14:23  <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#6012]: If the video driver fails to supply a list of resolutions, display an error message.
17:14:41  <frosch123> planetmaker: the german translation is still unfinished :)
17:14:47  <planetmaker> still?
17:15:05  <frosch123> everytime i check :p
17:16:31  <frosch123> how to split a fs task?
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17:45:28  <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r26630 /trunk/src/lang (gaelic.txt hebrew.txt) (2014-06-05 17:45:20 UTC)
17:45:29  <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
17:45:30  <DorpsGek> hebrew - 20 changes by oofnik
17:45:31  <DorpsGek> gaelic - 2 changes by GunChleoc
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18:09:08  <Alberth> o/
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18:16:29  <Wolf01> hi hi
18:17:25  <Alberth> moin
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18:26:21  <andythenorth> bonsoir
18:26:31  <andythenorth> que tal?
18:28:00  <__ln__> todo bien
18:28:12  <__ln__> ¿y usted?
18:29:39  <andythenorth> bon
18:29:42  <andythenorth> bueno
18:31:35  <__ln__> vale.
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18:44:11  <andythenorth> what is?
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18:44:27  <andythenorth> do we make things any more?  Or just read Facebook?
18:45:07  <Wolf01> mmmh I must reformat, 85% of system resources used at boot
18:48:23  <andythenorth> what is ‘reformat’ ?
18:48:30  <Wolf01> re-format
18:48:41  <Wolf01> the system drive
18:48:45  <Wolf01> wipe the OS
18:48:47  <andythenorth> :o
18:48:53  <andythenorth> I have never done that
18:48:57  <andythenorth> is it fun?
18:49:12  <Wolf01> no, it is annoying
18:49:41  <frosch123> you should switch to virtualisation
18:50:02  <Wolf01> specially when you need to do that to use 4GB of installed ram
18:50:10  <frosch123> then you can just switch back to an older snapshot
18:51:58  <andythenorth> every 9 months I break my mac and get a new one
18:52:02  <andythenorth> it’s a bit like reformatting
18:53:00  <frosch123> i guess, it's just as convient as refilling a cup of coffee
18:53:20  <andythenorth> coffee is cheaper
18:53:40  <andythenorth> hmm
18:53:42  <andythenorth> maybe not
18:54:39  <frosch123> depend on whether you are really refilling the mug, or whether you get a new mug :p
18:55:03  <planetmaker> :P
18:55:07  <andythenorth> the mug goes to apple and gets fixed for free
18:55:43  <andythenorth> then someone at work gets the mug, and their mug is given to someone else
18:55:54  <andythenorth> eventually we sell the worst mug on ebay or facebook
18:56:05  <planetmaker> :)
18:56:23  <planetmaker> do you have mac servers? :)
18:56:36  <andythenorth> god no
18:56:53  <andythenorth> we used to have some for fileservers
18:57:13  <andythenorth> but now we have dropbox, and rage
18:59:01  <andythenorth> we use these for servers now
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19:08:35  <bolemeus> Hey guys, I set up a dedicated server for openttd. I want to play city builder with a few friends. But after an hour or so a popup came up stating that a player has won. How can I set the victory conditions?
19:09:26  <frosch123> prepare a savegame with a gui client, and check the script settings in advance
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19:12:00  <__ln__>
19:14:08  <Eddi|zuHause> shows you that teachers "cheat" to get someone just over the passing mark
19:14:47  <Eddi|zuHause> the 100 mark might just be a statistical anomaly
19:15:02  <frosch123> that's a problem fo the 30% definition
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19:15:41  <frosch123> it's easier if you can set the line after checking the tests
19:16:18  <frosch123> for everything i have seen, the tests always separate themself into groups
19:16:30  <Eddi|zuHause> you mean like "the lowest 10% are guaranteed to fail and the upper 90% are guaranteed to pass"?
19:16:45  <planetmaker> lol, nice statistics, __ln__ :)
19:17:09  <frosch123> no, like a bunch of people have 0-10 points, no one has 10-20 points, and the rest has 20-40 points
19:17:25  <frosch123> whenever i helped reviewing tests, there was always a huge gap in the middle
19:17:35  <frosch123> between people who had some clue, and people who has no clue
19:17:36  <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: but you see that is clearly not the case
19:18:07  <planetmaker> frosch123, at university exams, probably. But for the general end-of-school exams?
19:18:16  <frosch123> though the most interesting test i reviewed was statistics for engineers, which had an exponential distribution
19:18:47  <Eddi|zuHause> the only thing i learned about statistics is to avoid statistics at all costs
19:19:12  <frosch123> 1/2 -> failed, 1/4 -> 4.0, 1/8 -> 3.7, 1/16 -> 3.3, 1/32 -> 3.0
19:19:16  <planetmaker> then you learnt it wrongly, Eddi|zuHause ;)
19:19:45  <frosch123> statistics is important if it does not really matter what you do :)
19:20:23  <frosch123> if an investment returns profit in 99% of cases, it is awesome
19:20:25  <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: you mean like you have a "bullshit job" :p
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19:20:37  <frosch123> if a nuclear power plant does not blow up in 99% of cases, uhm...
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19:20:46  <Alberth> the thing I learned about statistics mostly is not to trust your ideas about chances :)
19:20:58  <planetmaker> ha! yeah, pretty much
19:21:03  <Pikka> exammmmmms
19:21:24  * Pikka did my university enrolment yesterday
19:21:26  <andythenorth> ok look
19:21:27  <andythenorth> a pikka
19:21:32  <Pikka>
19:21:33  <planetmaker> oi
19:21:38  <Pikka> this is a good look
19:21:46  <andythenorth> pikka you’re going to be a stoodent?
19:21:51  <Pikka> oui
19:22:00  <planetmaker> what did you enrol for?
19:22:09  <andythenorth> evil
19:22:14  <andythenorth> MA
19:22:15  <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: in the text i linked right before you joined, the guy talks how instead of "the people get more free time" it turned into "jobs are created so that the only thing people do is create work for other people that has no effect for the outside"
19:23:00  * Pikka doing a creative industries degree
19:23:12  <Pikka> wot larks
19:23:33  <Eddi|zuHause> that sounds like the exact thing you would study to get into such a "bullshit job" :p
19:23:39  <andythenorth> how rude
19:23:59  <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: someone famous said in 1950s: in a few decades the average mind won't be able to produce anything that someone wants to pay for
19:24:24  <andythenorth> clearly anticipating the GPL
19:24:55  <andythenorth> Pikka: crayons and stuff?
19:25:17  <Eddi|zuHause> the smallest kind of "bullshit job" is when you finished doing a task, and then have to "look busy" for the boss because your 9-5 job must last until 5
19:25:17  <Pikka> largely
19:26:19  <Eddi|zuHause> and then you have "middle management" where you produce "strategy papers" that have no effect on the company because nobody will act on them
19:26:55  <frosch123> but then people learned that people having a lot of free time is rarely a good thing
19:27:04  <Eddi|zuHause> but instead they are the basis of work for other middle management people who just circle back the work for you
19:27:34  <andythenorth> there is some kind of deep philosophical truth here
19:27:39  <andythenorth> or maybe somewhere else
19:27:53  <Pikka> probably
19:27:58  <Pikka> anyway, articulated ships?
19:28:23  <Eddi|zuHause> one of the observations was that these "bullshit jobs" pay way more than actually productive jobs, and this is somewhat of a self-reinforcing effect
19:28:46  <andythenorth> BAD FEATURE
19:28:58  <Eddi|zuHause> because in the management's mindset a productive job is something people *want* to do, so they can be paid less
19:29:03  <andythenorth> Pikka: ships are declared solved
19:29:06  <andythenorth> by wetrail
19:29:20  <andythenorth> because you can now build tracks on water
19:29:28  <Eddi|zuHause> Pikka: it's definitely the wrong name
19:31:18  <andythenorth> alcos are the bomb
19:31:51  <Pikka> alcos are a bomb
19:31:54  <andythenorth> funny ozzy trains
19:33:38  <andythenorth> Pikka: so what do you study?
19:34:14  <Pikka> media and communication, mostly
19:35:37  <Pikka> I could have majored in fashion but I decided not to.
19:36:01  <Alberth> nice colours that last one
19:36:16  <Eddi|zuHause> "two 12-year-olds tried to lure a girl into a forest and kill her as a sacrifice for slenderman"... that sounds like the start of a new urban myth like satanism or killer-games
19:37:27  <Pikka> I like the long-hood look
19:37:58  <Pikka>
19:37:59  <andythenorth> better in a crash
19:38:14  <andythenorth> except the grain hits you on the head
19:38:21  <Pikka> such dual gauge
19:38:37  <andythenorth> the frame is very bent in one of those shots
19:38:41  <andythenorth> heavy shunt?
19:39:36  <andythenorth> something oddly mad-max about this shot, dunno what
19:39:43  <andythenorth> maybe it’s the 5 horns
19:42:15  <Pikka> now if we're talking about style...
19:42:30  <andythenorth> only a mother could love that
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19:44:50  <andythenorth> I have run out of internet to read
19:46:44  <Pikka>
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19:48:42  <planetmaker> Pikka, that photo makes me want to adjust the colours properly
19:49:16  <planetmaker> or rather the brightness / exposure
19:49:17  <andythenorth> hmm
19:49:20  <Pikka> it's a bit over-exposed
19:49:33  * andythenorth needs to do a Brisvegas roster for Iron Horse
19:49:36  <Pikka> the colours probably aren't that far out though, our greenery isn't always very green
19:50:22  <Pikka> "realistic" QR, andythenorth?
19:50:30  <Pikka> 50mph for ever and ever? :)
19:50:44  <andythenorth> XPT
19:50:50  <andythenorth> the slow high speed train
19:51:13  <Pikka> I've ridden the XPT from brisbane to sydney
19:51:18  <Pikka> I wouldn't do it again
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19:53:08  <andythenorth> should I play the game?
19:53:15  <andythenorth> I’m bored of ships that only have one cargo though
19:54:43  <Rubidium> good afternoon andythenorth!
19:54:50  <Rubidium> I propose cargoless ships
19:55:08  <andythenorth> that, I can do
19:55:29  <Pikka> ships which randomise cargo capacity every time they unload
19:55:33  <andythenorth> light ship?
19:56:17  <planetmaker> andythenorth, maybe you should make a NewObjects grf. With all that stuff which cannot be properly put to use but just makes for a nice landscape :)
19:56:31  <andythenorth> like HEQS :P
19:56:46  <planetmaker> well... :P More extreme :)
19:57:00  <andythenorth> bulldozer object
19:58:34  <planetmaker> no. But a signaling ship. Stonehenge, Skara Brae, Dunes, Oasis,...
19:59:00  <planetmaker> A lake with a rowing boat
19:59:04  <planetmaker> that stuff ;)
19:59:23  <planetmaker> a half-rotten dark-age church
19:59:27  <planetmaker> ghost-haunted villa
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20:00:01  <planetmaker> oh. And some fjords for me, please. I'm short in supply
20:05:42  <NGC982> That ship.
20:06:40  <Pikka> there's a lightship in the dry dock at the maritime museum here. it sank in the floods a few years back.
20:07:39  <Pikka>
20:07:46  <planetmaker> <-- probably the most famous German one
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20:09:33  <planetmaker> or one of them. And looking at the sea charts, the path through the German Bay into the river Elbe is a treacherous path indeed. Not much way for going of course and staying afloat
20:09:48  <frosch123> i like how "vsync" is the new thing for display
20:10:48  <frosch123> it's like it's 1984 again :)
20:10:55  <andythenorth> noisy
20:11:24  <planetmaker>
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20:11:47  <frosch123> when is the football championship over?
20:11:55  <frosch123> the adverisement annoys me
20:13:36  <planetmaker> it isn't even started, frosch123 ;)
20:13:48  <planetmaker> I think end of month or so
20:14:14  <Rubidium> isn't the Qatar one already over?
20:14:36  <Pikka> yes
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20:18:59  <Pikka>
20:19:06  <Pikka> openttd needs more flange squeal
20:22:28  <frosch123> what are those open wagons after the passenger coaches?
20:22:38  <frosch123> can every passenger bring a horse a kangaroo?
20:22:47  <Pikka> yes
20:23:05  <Pikka> maryborough is where the walkers/EDI factory is, this is a new unit being put on a ship over to perth
20:23:14  <planetmaker> lol. That looks like a Ferrari pulled by a horse :)
20:23:35  <planetmaker> and that in turn pulling a farm carriage
20:25:07  <Pikka> ah, you see at the end of the video
20:25:15  <Pikka> the wagons on the back have the power bogies in
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20:39:30  <andythenorth> Pikka: nice that they still have loco-hauled trains :P
20:56:32  <andythenorth> also
20:56:35  <andythenorth> ships
20:56:41  <andythenorth> with more than one cargo
20:56:48  <andythenorth> why aren’t you developers adding them for me?
21:00:40  <Supercheese> dooo eeeet
21:03:40  <Pikka> planes 'n all
21:06:34  <Wolf01> 'night
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21:13:55  <andythenorth> bye
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23:10:51  <mist> If a city is angry (red), and i don't do anything about it for an extended period of time. Is it impossible to make them like me again?
23:12:09  <mist> buying trees does not seem to be helping
23:12:45  <NGC982> mist:
23:12:55  <NGC982> "Rating goes up by 5 if it is less than 200. "
23:12:58  <NGC982> Happy waiting!
23:14:46  <mist> where do i see the rating?
23:15:13  <NGC982> You don't.
23:15:28  <mist> lol
23:15:38  <NGC982> It's roughly translated into the colored tick, and the "Bad", "Good", etc.
23:15:46  <mist> "atrocious"
23:16:26  <NGC982> \o/
23:16:47  <NGC982> Kill the trees
23:16:54  <NGC982> And re-plant them.
23:18:27  <mist> that srsly works?
23:23:45  <mist> I had a subsidy to get mailservice into a town. I did, but there was no square that accepted mail, just supplied it. Then it stopped supplying aswell so I figured I'd build a new station a few squares away, like the old one. Then that one stopped aswell and now they hate me...
23:24:44  <mist> so yeah, wiki says that gives me -30+10 each month=never gonna happen
23:28:22  <mist> and they wont let me remove the truck station

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