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Log for #openttd on 9th June 2014:
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06:06:23  <andythenorth> how about something simple, like keeping a string_ids.lng file in lang?
06:06:32  <andythenorth> and nml parses that if it exists
06:06:41  <andythenorth> file extension .lng is probably dumb :P
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07:02:48  <andythenorth> :|
07:03:14  <andythenorth> FIRS has some globally unique spritelayouts etc for construction states, used by most industries
07:03:18  <andythenorth> this is a problem :|
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07:57:40  <andythenorth> o/ Alberth
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08:05:49  <Alberth> moin
08:05:58  <planetmaker> moin moin
08:07:51  <andythenorth> I have enough figured out to explain how a (non-elegant) partial compile will work
08:08:01  <andythenorth> except for ensuring that stringIDs are constant
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08:08:19  <andythenorth> but now it’s Monday, so work to do :)
08:08:47  <andythenorth> now that I know nmlc can compile nml fragments, the whole thing is much much easier :P
08:11:38  <andythenorth> planetmaker: what’s the custom tags stuff for? read_extra_commands() etc
08:12:47  <planetmaker> you can use it to define custom tags :P
08:12:54  <andythenorth> thanks :P
08:13:04  <planetmaker> like there is the standard tags for strings {CARGO}, {NUM} etc
08:13:16  <planetmaker> you use it e.g. to define {VERSION} or similar
08:13:24  <planetmaker> to be used in different strings
08:13:31  <andythenorth> oic
08:13:37  <andythenorth> ok
08:13:50  <andythenorth> not adaptable to my purpose of maintaining constants :)
08:14:06  <planetmaker> only useful for stuff to appear in strings
08:14:33  <andythenorth> I couldn’t find where string names resolve to numeric IDs
08:15:06  <andythenorth> I assumed they are just assigned in the order they are parsed in lang file
08:15:10  <andythenorth> or such
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08:17:08  <planetmaker> I'd expect it to be resolved in the order as used in code
08:17:43  <andythenorth> I can’t see assignments anywhere at parse time, so it must be in some other stage
08:17:48  * andythenorth should learn some compiler theory
08:17:56  <andythenorth> then I could refer to things properly
08:18:03  <andythenorth> instead of ‘thingy’ and ‘thingy'
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08:19:33  <andythenorth> ok, maybe IDs are assigned in the code generation step
08:19:38  * andythenorth read a compiler-basics tutorial
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08:59:51  <planetmaker> bye
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13:04:36  <UukGoblin> bleugh, I can't build stuff on my own land :-(
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13:13:54  <UukGoblin> it's just like in real life :-/
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13:17:22  <toobored> wow. didn't expect that many people :)
13:17:43  <toobored> I've been trying to modify 2cc set in order to enable auto-refiting in goto orders
13:17:51  <Rubidium> there aren't that many people here
13:19:04  <toobored> it depends. I think IRC usage is declining
13:19:23  <toobored> is anyone around here relevant with the NFO codebase of 2CC?
13:19:53  <toobored> I have the wagons with a refit cost of 0 in 1c prop as instructed in the wiki page
13:20:08  <Rubidium> that's a bit the point; there are 100+ people in this channel, of which maybe 20 occasionally say something and maybe 10 talk fairly often
13:20:28  <Rubidium> I'm not one that knows enough NFO to help with your problem though
13:20:37  <toobored> damn.
13:20:44  <toobored> surely you know more than me
13:21:15  <toobored> this is the defined MISC prop: 27 THIS_WAG_MISC
13:22:16  <TrueBrain> wait ... you want to say people idle in this channel?!
13:22:27  <TrueBrain> I am sure some of these people never said a word :P
13:22:29  <TrueBrain> never ever
13:22:41  <TrueBrain> take this Xaroth .. always just lurking .. never contributing
13:22:42  <TrueBrain> useless people
13:23:59  <toobored> hehe
13:26:18  <toobored> it wasn't that simple after all.
13:26:53  <toobored> I changed THIS_WAG_MISC (the 27th prop to include the needed bit) to no avail.
13:27:08  <toobored> REFIT_COST seems to be zero but still the auto-refit button doesn't get enabled
13:30:53  <frosch123> there is even a bot here, with the only purpose to wish a new year
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14:25:51  <gynter> web is broken?
14:26:30  <gynter> 502 Bad Gateway nginx/1.2.1 @ css files
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14:35:20  <Alberth> services of openttd are getting transfered to a different machine
14:40:50  <frosch123> couldn't you have noticed it 10 minutes earlier? :)
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15:14:46  <gynter> Is there a way to modify openttd that if it's loaded with a save game file (-g flag) then a full map screenshot is made and after that client is exited :) ?
15:15:25  <gynter> Or are there any external tools to create a timelapse from saves?
15:15:42  <Rubidium> respectively yes and no
15:15:43  <frosch123> there have been multiple patches
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15:28:34  <Eddi|zuHause> i remember a timelapse thingie
15:29:24  <Eddi|zuHause> but taking a screenshot is probably easiest if you use one of the "on_<whatever>.scr" scripts in the scripts directory
15:32:09  <Eddi|zuHause> if you actually want a screenshot of the overview map, then you probably need some patching
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18:02:37  <Wolf01> hi hi
18:15:33  <Alberth> o/
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18:22:04  <Wolf01> doh, installed openvpn, need to reboot to use the TAP... tomorrow
18:22:21  <peter1139> Reboot? Why?
18:22:34  <Wolf01> windows
18:22:41  <peter1139> Oh right.
18:23:04  <Wolf01> now, back on rpgmaker :P
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18:27:21  <Wolf01> 125x74, how much ugly is this size?
18:27:36  <Xaroth|Work> a lot
18:32:09  <Wolf01> I have an image 2000x1189 to divide in tiles of 32x32 and keep a nice resolution
18:33:52  <Wolf01> any artist could give me a hint?
18:40:04  <Rubidium> wouldn't 89 by 55 be something?
18:40:20  <Wolf01> too little
18:40:45  <Rubidium> what size are you looking for roughly?
18:41:07  <Wolf01> about 200x150
18:41:16  <Rubidium> 223 by 144 ;)
18:41:23  <Rubidium> uhm 233 by 144
18:41:53  <Wolf01> still a weird size :P
18:42:29  <Rubidium> but that's F13 by F12
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18:49:12  <Wolf01> ok, it doesn't look much stretched
18:49:36  <Wolf01> I'll take some years now to cover it with tiles
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18:57:01  <andythenorth> o/
18:57:07  <Wolf01> o/
19:09:24  <Eddi|zuHause> if you're worried about aspect ratio, just cut off a bit on the sides?
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19:10:18  <Wolf01> yes, that could help, and the size suggested by Rubidium is really good
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19:23:40  <andythenorth> if nml would just write the string names back out into the nfo as constants, I could blat them out with cpp or python in a processing step
19:23:51  <andythenorth> or I could try and teach nml to maintain string constants
19:24:01  <andythenorth> or pass a constants file in
19:26:35  <andythenorth> the first thing to do would be to read the nml src which handles IDs
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19:26:47  <andythenorth> because currently I’ve no idea how it works, might be solving wrong problem
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19:33:40  <andythenorth> maybe action4 has the clue
19:34:14  <peter1139> xml
19:34:36  <andythenorth> I’ll look there next
19:34:46  <andythenorth> xml.py ?
19:36:25  <andythenorth> hmm
19:36:39  <andythenorth> can someone who is actually competent help me with this?
19:36:50  <andythenorth> looks like textIDs are alllocated randomly
19:37:19  <andythenorth> unless an ID is found from a ConstantNumeric via global_constants
19:37:31  <andythenorth> nml/actions/action4.py
19:37:59  <andythenorth> which suggests that if I extend numeric constants in global_constants, the strings will get picked up there
19:38:20  <andythenorth> I probably have this wrong :P
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19:42:49  <andythenorth> https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/entry/nml/actions/action4.py
19:43:08  <andythenorth> L150 and following
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20:48:56  * andythenorth wants a ‘kick cdist’ button to force a recalculation of routing :)
20:53:06  <fonsinchen> andythenorth: You can set the recalculation interval and time to small values
20:53:19  <fonsinchen> I usually set it to 2/2 for testing
20:53:23  <andythenorth> it was my own fault
20:53:30  <andythenorth> I failed to scrap a vehicle with old orders
20:53:52  <andythenorth> so waybill carried on allocated cargo
20:53:55  <andythenorth> allocating *
20:56:12  <andythenorth> I am still playing the waybill patch
20:56:40  <peter1139> The what?
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21:02:59  <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r26636 trunk/src/saveload/vehicle_sl.cpp (2014-06-09 17:42:48 UTC)
21:03:00  <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#6026-ish]: (memory) size of variables saved for disaster vehicles was not correct in saveload description
21:03:03  <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r26637 trunk/src/base_media_func.h (2014-06-09 17:43:59 UTC)
21:03:04  <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#6038]: segmentation fault when encountering a .obg/.obs/.obm with empty string/zero length/ MD5 checksums
21:03:08  <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r26638 trunk/src/lang/english_US.txt (2014-06-09 17:45:16 UTC)
21:03:10  <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
21:03:11  <DorpsGek> english_US - 1 changes by Supercheese
21:03:38  <Eddi|zuHause> "encountering"?
21:08:25  <andythenorth> peter1139: yes
21:08:31  <andythenorth> it is a what
21:10:11  <andythenorth> when is mult-docks?
21:10:15  <andythenorth> multi even
21:11:53  <peter1139> ah
21:11:55  <peter1139> goodnight
21:12:00  <andythenorth> :)
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22:26:35  <Wolf01> 'night
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