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I asked for a savegame. I got a rar archive of the whole openttd folder and like "didn't yet create one, but all is ready and configured to create one" 06:16:12 <planetmaker> I'm unsure on how to reply... 06:16:50 <Supercheese> The stupid thread called "Maclev trains" always bugs me. It's supposed to me Maglev, dangit 06:16:57 <Supercheese> be* 06:17:15 <ST2> maybe he rar'd the game running... hoping was included too :) 06:17:38 <planetmaker> you're right, Supercheese. Fixed title 06:17:54 <Supercheese> whew, much improved :) 06:17:57 <V453000> I still think forum style of expressing self makes something like a square root of everybodys IQ 06:18:06 <V453000> "everybody" except some 06:20:01 <planetmaker> V453000, alberth is right, the higher crops make it look somewhat more interesting 06:20:14 <planetmaker> looking at them in comparison 06:21:15 <planetmaker> and I agree, a silo would also be more boring than the existing barrels. They're a nice expression of dis-order 06:21:29 <planetmaker> A rusty machinery or so somewhere would be awesome 06:27:49 <Supercheese> or fuel tanks 06:27:57 <Supercheese> I almost always see elevated fuel tanks on farms 06:28:10 * planetmaker has never seen one 06:28:39 <planetmaker> just normal ones, but not prominently around either. It's not the typical thing imho 06:28:44 <Supercheese> Something like http://www.clawsontank.com/Farm%20Tank/farm_tank.jpg 06:28:55 <planetmaker> definitely not 06:28:58 <Supercheese> http://www.duboisswcd.org/dcswcd/images/tanks.jpg 06:28:59 <Supercheese> hmm 06:29:04 <Supercheese> perhaps it's more of a US thing 06:29:26 <Supercheese> http://domesticfuel.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/fuel-tanks.jpg 06:29:30 * Diablo_D3 quit playing openttd again 06:29:32 <Supercheese> those suckers are all over here 06:29:58 <Supercheese> easy to model 06:30:01 <Supercheese> cylinder with legs 06:30:23 <planetmaker> let's not make it easy for V :P 06:30:37 <planetmaker> this is the advanced class, not the beginner one .P 06:31:40 <Diablo_D3> is it possible that openttd isnt fun? 06:32:16 <planetmaker> of course 06:33:15 <Diablo_D3> well its like 06:33:21 <Diablo_D3> people do all this neat shit for openttd 06:33:28 <Diablo_D3> and then no server uses it 06:34:22 <planetmaker> as server I only use stuff which is found on bananas 06:34:49 <Diablo_D3> well like, all the popular servers are ran by btpro.nl 06:35:24 <Diablo_D3> and they all use pretty vanilla stuff 06:35:41 <planetmaker> seems to be their and your problem. Not OpenTTD's 06:36:10 <planetmaker> play elsewhere where the game and the newgrfs suit you 06:36:32 <Diablo_D3> well, yes, I could play single player 06:36:35 <Diablo_D3> but its kinda boring 06:36:43 <planetmaker> play on other servers... 06:37:11 <Diablo_D3> there arent really any 06:37:15 <Diablo_D3> no one plays on them 06:40:34 <V453000> Alberth: planetmaker: I had the same feeling but couldnt decide 06:40:53 <V453000> rusty machinery would work for me :D 06:41:06 <Diablo_D3> theres other stuff like 06:41:12 <Diablo_D3> I'd love to play at native res 06:41:17 <Diablo_D3> 1920x1080 06:41:23 <Diablo_D3> but the UI elements are too small 06:41:54 <Diablo_D3> and on top of that, the GL blitter patch was never committed to upstream 06:43:04 <planetmaker> really terrible 06:52:38 <Diablo_D3> I dunno, I have a really bad love/hate relationship with openttd 06:52:48 <Diablo_D3> like, I'll not play it for a year 06:52:54 <Diablo_D3> then have a really bad craving for it 06:52:56 <Diablo_D3> then come back 06:53:02 <Diablo_D3> play it for two weeks 06:53:09 <Diablo_D3> and then remember why I dont play it anymore 06:55:31 <Diablo_D3> like, the scale of items are kind of... weird. 06:55:38 <Diablo_D3> like, towns feel too small 06:55:45 <Diablo_D3> and industries feel too small 06:59:37 <Diablo_D3> its mostly stuff that cant be fixed because its set in stone 07:24:37 <peter1139> Go play Arma if you want scale. 07:25:09 <Diablo_D3> peter1139: I dont mean like that. 07:25:21 <Diablo_D3> its just that either the vehicles seem too big or the buildings seem too small 07:26:14 <planetmaker> can you phrase what you want in positives "I want things to work / be like..." instead of "not like ..." 07:26:15 <planetmaker> ? 07:26:49 <Diablo_D3> planetmaker: no, because Im not requesting it to be fixed because I realize how much of a shitstorm it would cause 07:27:14 <Diablo_D3> I think this is why I was banned from here a long time ago 07:27:28 <Diablo_D3> I asked if it would be possible 07:27:36 <Diablo_D3> and some chanop got pissed off and banned me 07:28:04 <peter1139> Some of those things are not "broken" to be "fixed" 07:28:22 <Diablo_D3> peter1139: well, the gui element problem is broken and does need to be fixed 07:28:40 <Diablo_D3> someone made a grf that fixes it, so it can be done, but you have to apply it on the server 07:28:48 <Diablo_D3> its not something you can optionally use 07:29:06 <planetmaker> it actually is 07:29:23 <Diablo_D3> not last time I tried it =/ 07:29:24 <planetmaker> newgrf-static 07:30:06 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 07:32:45 *** jjavaholic [~jjavaholi@grahamg63.plus.com] has joined #openttd 07:37:56 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 07:37:56 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:54:14 <planetmaker> Diablo_D3, Download opengfx big-gui and enable it in your newgrf selection. Then exit openttd. Open your openttd.cfg for editing 07:54:43 <planetmaker> copy the line containing like 52577801|20B5D8122F2B4AD74ADDA30E44BA8233|opengfx_biggui-2.0.0/ogfx-biggui.grf = 1 07:54:43 <planetmaker> from the [newgrf] section to the [newgrf-static] section 08:01:02 <peter1139> Could do with a UI for that ;) 08:01:54 <Diablo_D3> planetmaker: k 08:02:01 <Diablo_D3> yeah it'd be nice to get a ui for that 08:02:04 <Diablo_D3> and have it built in 08:02:23 <Diablo_D3> it'd make openttd more accessable 08:03:46 <peter1139> For the very few people who use it. 08:04:15 <Eddi|zuHause> i think last time we had a discussion about it, we came to the conclusion that an action14 flag for static-ability would be useful 08:06:27 <peter1139> Just scan the GRF :p 08:06:43 <planetmaker> peter1139, that's definitely a catch22. Nobody knows about it, so no-one uses it 08:08:16 <Eddi|zuHause> peter1139: the scan would happen anyway, as the flag can't be trusted, but the scan only has to happen on activation, whereas the flag can be used as a filter for unactivated GRFs 08:08:42 <Eddi|zuHause> otherwise you'd have to do the scan for all grfs at startup 08:09:12 <Eddi|zuHause> or you'd have no filter for GRFs that are static-able, making the GUI more complicated than it needs to be 08:14:17 *** Midnightmyth [~quassel@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:16:43 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:20:54 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 08:41:13 *** jjavaholic [~jjavaholi@grahamg63.plus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:42:48 *** jjavaholic [~jjavaholi@grahamg63.plus.com] has joined #openttd 08:52:49 <planetmaker> V453000, one of the things which could lay or stand around could be like a pitchfork. Yeti like manual labour, do they? 08:54:26 *** MJP [~mjp@hq.z77.fr] has joined #openttd 09:12:51 *** Dan9550 [~dan9550@150.157.dsl.mel.iprimus.net.au] has joined #openttd 09:23:36 <Diablo_D3> Eddi|zuHause: so will the flag be added? 09:29:44 <Diablo_D3> btw, you know what I would find interesting? 09:30:05 <Diablo_D3> the whole forrestry thing should actually be eating a forrest 09:30:34 <Diablo_D3> like not a 4 by 4 block of identical trees 09:30:45 <Diablo_D3> but an amorphous blob of trees that can grow and contract 09:30:53 <Diablo_D3> and leave behind cut down tree stumps 09:39:38 <Diablo_D3> http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=176576 09:39:44 <Diablo_D3> thats what a city should look like 10:10:54 *** montalvo [~montalvo@88-105-120-140.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 10:18:55 <V453000> they very much do planetmaker :D question is whether pitchfork is too tiny 10:26:55 *** efess [~Efess@c-24-61-64-170.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:37:38 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@89.137.74.191] has joined #openttd 10:45:48 *** Diablo_D3 [~diablo@pool-71-241-217-183.port.east.myfairpoint.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 10:49:22 <__ln__> @seen Bjarni 10:49:23 <DorpsGek> __ln__: Bjarni was last seen in #openttd 2 years, 36 weeks, 3 days, 10 hours, 30 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: <Bjarni> heh 10:52:00 <peter1139> @seen tron 10:52:00 <DorpsGek> peter1139: I have not seen tron. 10:52:06 <peter1139> @seen darkvater 10:52:06 <DorpsGek> peter1139: darkvater was last seen in #openttd 4 years, 9 weeks, 1 day, 23 hours, 14 minutes, and 2 seconds ago: <Darkvater> good ol' days :) 11:10:49 <planetmaker> V453000, it needs a yeti-sized pitchfork which is suitable to handle the giant weed which grows on that plantation 11:20:37 *** LSky` [~LSky@5ED4B2EA.cm-7-5c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [] 11:29:08 *** Diablo-D3 [~diablo@pool-71-241-217-183.port.east.myfairpoint.net] has joined #openttd 11:31:43 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@76.178.136.186] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:32:13 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@76.178.136.186] has joined #openttd 11:36:55 *** Dan9550 [~dan9550@150.157.dsl.mel.iprimus.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:43:00 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.98.145.165] has joined #openttd 11:45:09 *** Dan9550 [~dan9550@150.157.dsl.mel.iprimus.net.au] has joined #openttd 11:47:38 *** toobored` [~user@adsl-29.37.6.74.tellas.gr] has joined #openttd 11:55:02 *** toobored [~user@adsl-48.109.242.73.tellas.gr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:03:21 *** Myhorta[1] [~Myhorta@10.87.37.188.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #openttd 12:05:10 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:05:45 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 12:06:06 *** Myhorta[1] [~Myhorta@10.87.37.188.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [] 12:07:26 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 12:08:53 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:12:05 <peter1139> Not to be confused with a tuningfork. 12:15:02 <__ln__> @seen tuningfork 12:15:02 <DorpsGek> __ln__: I have not seen tuningfork. 12:20:40 *** efess [~Efess@c-24-61-64-170.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 12:26:33 <Eddi|zuHause> that would be fun, a mob of villagers with tuning forks... 12:26:45 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe works against ice monsters :) 12:30:42 <NGC982> OOT 12:30:47 <NGC982> OpenOregonTrail. 12:35:14 *** pthagnar [~pthagnar@cpc7-pres17-2-0-cust28.18-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:38:45 <Eddi|zuHause> "You have died of Dysentery" 12:46:59 *** Dan9550 [~dan9550@150.157.dsl.mel.iprimus.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:03:43 <UukGoblin> on PC, when I click a rail station construction, and hover my mouse over the game area, I see white squares and blue squares showing me where exactly the station will be before I click it. Same with placing rails and other things. However, on android, this is missing - when I hover my mouse, I see nothing, and the stuff appears in a hard-to-predict location only after I click the mouse. I can't find any settings that would affect it, can you help? 13:05:06 <peter1139> It's on the station build window. 13:05:07 <Eddi|zuHause> check the android topic in the development forum 13:05:18 <Eddi|zuHause> the android port is inofficial 13:05:38 <peter1139> "Coverage area highlight" 13:06:16 <peter1139> If no highlight appears at all, then yeah, what Eddi|zuHause said. 13:06:18 <Eddi|zuHause> peter1139: no, the android port likely does weird things with mouse positioning, so the tile highlighting will never happen 13:06:39 <UukGoblin> peter1139, yeah, it's On, but doesn't appear 13:07:48 <UukGoblin> Eddi|zuHause, thanks, looking around now 13:07:55 <planetmaker> then report it to the person maintaining the android port. e.g. in the android topic at tt-forums.net 13:08:23 <UukGoblin> it sort of makes sense when you use the touchscreen normally, however I much prefer the laptop mode provided by libSDL - where you use the touchscreen as a laptop touchpad and move the cursor with it 13:08:50 <UukGoblin> kk thanks :-) 13:10:46 <UukGoblin> (also, I have a bluetooth mouse) 13:22:30 *** luaduck_zzz is now known as luaduck 13:25:36 *** LSky` [~LSky@5ED4B2EA.cm-7-5c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 13:37:05 <NGC982> Hey, i need some inspiration for a new ttd server 13:37:24 <NGC982> I currently have a USSR, UK, Japanese and American server running. 13:37:30 <NGC982> And i need something funky. 13:58:01 *** lugo [lugo@apple.bnc4free.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:58:37 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6B72F.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:15:56 *** ivan`_ [~ivan`@192.241.198.49] has joined #openttd 14:15:57 <peter1139> Are they full? 14:16:31 *** lugo [lugo@apple.bnc4free.com] has joined #openttd 14:17:15 *** ivan` [~ivan`@000130ca.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:17:24 *** ivan`_ is now known as ivan` 14:48:42 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 14:48:45 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 15:03:29 <UukGoblin> how can I check production (and % transported) of an oilfield? 15:03:59 <Alberth> click on the oilfield 15:04:05 <Alberth> it's an industry 15:04:33 <UukGoblin> I then get the stats for the station 15:04:39 <UukGoblin> so I see what's waiting there and what it accepts 15:04:48 <UukGoblin> (a gray window rather than orange one) 15:05:07 <UukGoblin> oh... got it 15:05:08 <Alberth> an oilrig, you mean then? 15:05:21 <UukGoblin> have to click in a bit different place 15:05:26 <UukGoblin> yeah, oilrig 15:05:32 <Alberth> yeah, click at a different spot :) 15:10:44 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:10:46 *** Hazzard [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 15:10:51 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 15:17:34 <toobored`> NGC982: a large european map with mediterean and the north coast of africa (egypt,libya etc! 15:21:01 <__ln__> even hitler failed with that big a map 15:21:27 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-223-174.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 15:22:11 <toobored`> __ln__: byzantium worked kind of... for a while 15:27:15 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:27:48 *** luaduck is now known as luaduck_zzz 15:29:37 <Eddi|zuHause> well there was wwottdgd 15:30:44 <Eddi|zuHause> uhmm... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQKwwC72BJE 15:32:53 *** TheMask96 [martijn@wrath.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:34:35 *** TheMask96 [martijn@gluttony.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 16:06:35 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.98.145.165] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:08:41 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.41.236.51] has joined #openttd 16:11:13 *** Jerik [~Jerik@c-68-80-55-194.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 16:14:37 *** Progman [~progman@p57A199B3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:14:42 <UukGoblin> if I have a lot of cargo waiting on a station that accepts this cargo, can I force-accept it? 16:14:50 <UukGoblin> (I had "transfer" in orders accidentally) 16:15:25 <Eddi|zuHause> you have to have a vehicle pick it up and drop it again 16:15:56 <UukGoblin> thanks 16:28:34 *** montalvo [~montalvo@88-105-120-140.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzzâŠ] 16:28:49 <Eddi|zuHause> "with 250.000 simultaneous peers, this season finale of Game of Thrones is the most shared file in the history of filesharing" 16:29:15 <UukGoblin> ;-D 16:48:04 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 16:57:01 *** Midnightmyth [~quassel@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has joined #openttd 17:00:04 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:00:07 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 17:05:13 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-5f747452.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:06:43 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has joined #openttd 17:07:43 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@88.130.177.109] has joined #openttd 18:02:18 *** luaduck_zzz is now known as luaduck 18:20:49 *** Godde [~quassel@72.79-160-59.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:20:50 *** Godde [~quassel@72.79-160-59.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 18:33:31 *** Tramvai [~oftc-webi@120.44.235.80.dyn.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 18:34:02 <Tramvai> Hey guys and gals 18:34:44 <Tramvai> Tonight I return with a new question... what causes a cities population growth to come to a standstill? A city won't grow over 12k for some reason. 18:35:41 <Eddi|zuHause> the speed of house closing increases when there are more houses, but the speed of house cronstruction is constant (or decreases, when the roads have dead ends) 18:35:54 <Eddi|zuHause> so there is an equilibrium 18:36:44 <Eddi|zuHause> but where this equilibrium is depends on many factors, like number of stations served, road layout chosen, house set used, ... 18:37:14 <Tramvai> http://i.imgur.com/QungYEE.jpg 18:37:24 <Tramvai> So, my roads could be the cause? 18:37:35 <Tramvai> Not exactly long and straight... :) 18:38:27 <Eddi|zuHause> the original layout is one of the least effective 18:38:45 <Eddi|zuHause> the roads are too close to each other, if they are spaced out more, more houses have space 18:39:00 <Eddi|zuHause> also, construct a 5th station, and make sure each of them is serviced regularly 18:39:17 <Tramvai> A station... What should that be? 18:39:20 <Tramvai> A bus stop? 18:39:25 <Eddi|zuHause> any station 18:39:33 <Tramvai> Alright. 18:39:56 <Eddi|zuHause> the number of station signs count, and that a vehicle loads or unloads there every 20 days 18:41:43 <Tramvai> Alright, thanks. 18:41:50 <Tramvai> Would love to get it to atleast 20,000. 18:42:28 <Eddi|zuHause> there have been reports of towns up to 1M and cities up to 3M 18:44:43 <Tramvai> That sounds ridiculous 18:45:26 <Eddi|zuHause> i think 40k should be possible for a town like this 18:45:27 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:45:52 <Eddi|zuHause> especially if you tweak the roads a bit 18:46:04 <Wolf01> roadbits! 18:46:14 <Wolf01> rabbits! 18:46:26 <Eddi|zuHause> wabbits? 18:46:39 <Wolf01> wombats?! 18:47:12 <Eddi|zuHause> no idea what that even is 18:47:13 <Alberth> wombits 18:47:23 <Tramvai> Wat 18:47:42 <Alberth> waht 18:47:59 <Wolf01> I was hoping to get "batman" in 4 or 5 steps 18:47:59 <Tramvai> Roadbits? :S 18:49:44 <Alberth> Wolf01: hmm, without telling us the goal? that would be a challenge :) 18:49:53 <Wolf01> eheh :D 18:52:00 <Tramvai> Adding a few stations did improve the growth, cheers. 18:53:01 <Alberth> try sub-tropical, there towns do not grow if they are in the desert :) 19:02:11 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-162.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 19:31:11 *** pthagnar [~pthagnar@cpc7-pres17-2-0-cust28.18-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 19:36:24 *** Progman [~progman@p57A199B3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:52:27 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has quit [] 19:53:06 *** Tramvai [~oftc-webi@120.44.235.80.dyn.estpak.ee] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:55:55 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 20:20:17 *** andythenorth [~Andy@213.205.227.98] has joined #openttd 20:20:35 <andythenorth> o/ 20:21:49 <Eddi|zuHause> p| 20:22:14 <Wolf01> \q 20:22:39 <Alberth> :w 20:27:17 <Wolf01> sometimes I think those codes exists only in those sites: http://codecrap.com 20:31:48 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@89.137.74.191] has quit [] 20:32:09 <andythenorth> ha 20:33:10 * andythenorth plays ottd 20:43:49 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@88.130.177.109] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:52:22 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has joined #openttd 20:53:48 <andythenorth> consists :( 20:58:56 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 21:00:19 <Supercheese> consistently? 21:03:59 <andythenorth> all my big pax stations have 3k-4k pax waiting 21:06:40 <Prof_Frink> More busses! 21:07:23 <andythenorth> balls to buses 21:07:25 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 21:07:42 * andythenorth -> bed 21:07:48 <andythenorth> bye 21:07:49 *** andythenorth [~Andy@213.205.227.98] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 21:08:40 *** LSky` [~LSky@5ED4B2EA.cm-7-5c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [] 21:16:11 *** freeagy [~oftc-webi@54025176.dsl.pool.telekom.hu] has joined #openttd 21:16:39 <freeagy> hi all 21:17:18 <freeagy> how can i install openttd 21:17:28 <freeagy> i m a big fan :) 21:17:41 <frosch123> run the installer 21:18:17 <freeagy> i need the original game? 21:18:21 <frosch123> no 21:18:24 <Eddi|zuHause> no 21:18:54 <planetmaker> openttd is the original game :) 21:19:19 <freeagy> cool 21:19:24 <Eddi|zuHause> for various values of "original" 21:19:36 <planetmaker> well, for mine :) 21:20:25 <Eddi|zuHause> i think your value of "original" is quite far on the outskirts of the bell curve :p 21:20:39 <freeagy> whats the difference Download stable (1.4.1) Download nightly (r26654)? 21:20:51 <planetmaker> I forged those statistics myself. It's right the median ;) 21:20:54 <Supercheese> Well, no offense to any OGFX artists, but the original graphics are way better 21:21:03 <Eddi|zuHause> freeagy: nightly has experimental features, which may contain more bugs than usual 21:21:16 <frosch123> nightly means "1.5 alpha" 21:21:25 <frosch123> so, if you are new, start with 1.4.1 21:22:05 <Eddi|zuHause> or if you want to play multiplayer, also start with 1.4.1 21:22:18 <freeagy> thx 21:22:30 <Prof_Frink> Nightly will explode, burn your house down and eat your cat. 21:23:04 <Eddi|zuHause> there is no warranty that stable won't do that either 21:23:15 <frosch123> Supercheese: no offense to any artists, but the ogfx graphics are actually nicer once you get used to both 21:23:43 <Prof_Frink> Eddi|zuHause: Stable usually only does one of the three. 21:24:03 <Eddi|zuHause> Prof_Frink: but there is still no warranty 21:24:26 <planetmaker> full refund for your purchase, Eddi|zuHause ! 21:24:51 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: you can't say that either, because there may be people out there who paid actual money 21:25:45 <planetmaker> I didn't see any of that. No refund for transaction fees 21:25:47 <Diablo-D3> [05:20:54] <Supercheese> Well, no offense to any OGFX artists, but the original graphics are way better 21:25:49 *** AndroUser2 [~androirc@72-160-3-197.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #openttd 21:26:00 <Diablo-D3> the original graphics have that retro hand pixel drawn look 21:26:21 <Diablo-D3> the new ones are that 90s cgi look 21:26:25 <Diablo-D3> I never cared for it tbh 21:26:27 <Eddi|zuHause> ogfx is probably fine, but i hate the rails and the maglevs 21:26:34 <Diablo-D3> what I really wish, btw 21:27:23 <Eddi|zuHause> the rails look like they've been rendered out-of-focus, and the maglevs are just plain terrible 21:27:32 <frosch123> Diablo-D3: don't confuse ogfx with zbase though 21:27:46 <Prof_Frink> I never liked the TTD monorails/maglevs. TTO monorails all the way! 21:28:00 <Eddi|zuHause> and then there's the general darker tone of everything 21:28:07 <Prof_Frink> Or even better, TTO monorail bridges. Bewdiful. 21:28:07 <frosch123> i have no idea what maglev looks like 21:28:23 <frosch123> i cannot remember building maglev the last time 21:28:27 <Eddi|zuHause> don't bother 21:28:28 <planetmaker> maglev looks... not like maglev but like a bob track 21:28:30 <frosch123> probably a decade ago 21:28:42 <glx> Prof_Frink: not will but can :) 21:28:48 <Diablo-D3> frosch123: er? 21:28:53 <planetmaker> but that goes for TTD and OpenGFX alike 21:28:54 <Diablo-D3> maybe Im thinking of zbase then 21:29:59 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, i don't really like the TTD maglev either, but the ogfx maglev is an order of magnitude worse 21:30:42 <planetmaker> maybe I will replace it somewhen by smits 21:30:51 <Eddi|zuHause> then there's this "transrapid track" with the terribly done fake elevation 21:30:51 <planetmaker> but that's a bit coarse, too 21:31:18 <Diablo-D3> well what I want is 21:31:22 <Diablo-D3> bigger buildings in openttd 21:31:24 <Diablo-D3> by default 21:31:28 <Diablo-D3> like huge skyscrapers 21:31:31 <Eddi|zuHause> i actually like smits, but for a base set it might not be the Right Thing (tm) 21:31:34 <frosch123> use ttrs 21:31:40 <frosch123> Diablo-D3: use ttrs 21:31:48 <frosch123> but personally i consider skyscrapers extremly ugly 21:32:04 <Eddi|zuHause> i want less skyscrapers 21:32:06 <Diablo-D3> I said by default 21:32:14 <Diablo-D3> and having even smaller houses would be nice too 21:32:15 <frosch123> default won't change 21:32:21 <Diablo-D3> frosch123: yeah thats the problem 21:32:24 <frosch123> the point of default is being default 21:32:30 <Diablo-D3> if default doesnt change, then servers will never take it up 21:32:49 <frosch123> that's the problem of the servers 21:32:57 <frosch123> or maybe of the user interface 21:33:11 <frosch123> but with bananas grfs there should be no problem 21:33:52 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe if it actually downloaded the bananas grfs on join without further interaction? 21:34:46 <Diablo-D3> yeah 21:34:48 <Diablo-D3> that'd be nice 21:34:55 <Diablo-D3> games have had that for the past 15 yeas 21:34:56 <Diablo-D3> *years 21:34:59 <Diablo-D3> openttd should have it 21:35:22 <planetmaker> Diablo-D3, you whine about 'servers', but from what you tell, you only ever play on one... 21:35:32 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not an expert in game psychology 21:35:41 <Diablo-D3> planetmaker: I play on the btpro.nl ones 21:35:44 <Diablo-D3> they have like 10 or w/e 21:35:50 <Diablo-D3> and its usually the only populated ones 21:36:30 <planetmaker> I refute that statement 21:36:52 <planetmaker> it only says that you play on one server. But don't look elsewhere 21:37:07 <Wolf01> 'night 21:37:15 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:37:38 <Diablo-D3> planetmaker: it? 21:40:00 <planetmaker> http://www.openttd.org/en/servers shows that your statement is already wrong 21:40:26 <Diablo-D3> planetmaker: I dont play on the goal-less ones 21:41:07 <planetmaker> that still makes your statement wrong 21:41:25 <planetmaker> but limits the amount of other available servers slightly 21:43:31 <planetmaker> but if you want something like "exactly like this except..."... go start your own or talk to the server owners and get involved there 21:43:33 <Eddi|zuHause> if there are 5% of servers using goals, and 5% of servers using newgrf, then "servers that use goals and newgrfs" is a diminishing fraction (assuming both variables are independent, which they probably are not) 21:43:35 *** AndroUser2 [~androirc@72-160-3-197.dyn.centurytel.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:43:45 *** AndroUser2 [~androirc@72-160-3-197.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #openttd 21:43:48 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, both% are much bigger 21:43:57 <Diablo-D3> Eddi|zuHause: /me shrugs 21:44:09 <Diablo-D3> I mean, I could start a server, but I doubt anyone will play on it 21:44:19 <Diablo-D3> if people liked multiplayer newgrf, all the servers would be doing it by now 21:44:31 * planetmaker considers an ignore for whiners 21:44:53 <Eddi|zuHause> Diablo-D3: i think you are wrong. 21:45:06 <Diablo-D3> Eddi|zuHause: well, on this, I'd like to be wrong 21:45:55 <Eddi|zuHause> Diablo-D3: no matter how easy you make changing the config, the majority of people will use the default config 21:45:56 *** AndroUser2 [~androirc@72-160-3-197.dyn.centurytel.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:46:06 <Diablo-D3> Eddi|zuHause: /me shrugs 21:46:08 *** AndroUser2 [~androirc@72-160-3-197.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #openttd 21:47:21 *** freeagy [~oftc-webi@54025176.dsl.pool.telekom.hu] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:47:32 *** Midnightmyth [~quassel@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:03:51 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.41.236.51] has quit [Quit: AdiIRC - made for you (www.adiirc.com)] 22:21:04 *** AndroUser2 [~androirc@72-160-3-197.dyn.centurytel.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:21:51 *** AndroUser2 [~androirc@72-160-3-197.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #openttd 22:25:09 *** AndroUser2 [~androirc@72-160-3-197.dyn.centurytel.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:25:26 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has quit [] 22:30:36 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-5f747452.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 22:33:23 *** luaduck is now known as luaduck_zzz 22:41:06 *** AndroUser2 [~androirc@72-160-3-197.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #openttd 22:42:58 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-162.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:57:50 <toobored`> does anyone play with the metro trains of 2cc set instead of buses? 22:58:08 *** brambles [~xymox@s0.barwen.ch] has joined #openttd 23:01:04 <Eddi|zuHause> why "instead"? 23:01:34 <Eddi|zuHause> it doesn't prevent you from using busses 23:05:33 <Supercheese> perhaps there is a "as the primary intracity transport method" missing 23:05:44 <Diablo-D3> Ive always wanted to do metro trains 23:05:47 *** AndroUser2 [~androirc@72-160-3-197.dyn.centurytel.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:05:53 <Diablo-D3> but they always seemed more expensive and problematic than bussses 23:05:54 <Supercheese> time for shameless plug 23:05:58 <Supercheese> Fake Subways newgrf 23:05:59 *** AndroUser2 [~androirc@72-160-3-197.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #openttd 23:06:21 <Supercheese> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=62672#p1046538 23:06:21 <Diablo-D3> btw, I guess subways will never make it into openttd 23:06:22 <Diablo-D3> ? 23:06:29 *** montalvo [~montalvo@88-105-120-140.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 23:06:30 *** AndroUser2 [~androirc@72-160-3-197.dyn.centurytel.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:06:42 <Supercheese> It attempts to combine the best of both worlds within current OTTD limitations 23:07:01 <Supercheese> Visuals that look like subways but are actually coded as road vehicles 23:07:56 <Supercheese> Pros and cons are listed in the post there 23:08:06 <Diablo-D3> yeah Im reading that now 23:11:21 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm usually using trams 23:11:34 <Supercheese> which are essentially above-ground subways :P 23:11:49 <Supercheese> as oxymoronic as that phrase is 23:12:00 <Eddi|zuHause> or on-rail-busses? 23:12:38 <Supercheese> Indeed, setting the parameter to make fake subways trams, they behave nearly identically except for speed, capacity, etc. 23:12:40 <Eddi|zuHause> or on-road-ish-trains? 23:13:06 <Supercheese> still waiting on roadtypes 23:13:08 <Eddi|zuHause> or maybe they are on-ground-planes? 23:13:12 <Supercheese> so I can abuse the crap out of them 23:13:46 <Eddi|zuHause> Supercheese: they would still miss a tram-subway-connector piece 23:14:01 <Supercheese> Yeah, only depots could do that 23:14:23 <Supercheese> and even then visual-only I suspect 23:14:36 <Supercheese> unless powered roadtypes could change with cargo subtype 23:15:21 <Supercheese> trains don't have that callback currently, it seems 23:16:06 <Eddi|zuHause> no, you can only change the power, not the powered-state 23:16:10 *** davidstrauss_ [~quassel@2001:4800:7813:516:62f:ce48:ff05:1b82] has joined #openttd 23:16:23 <Eddi|zuHause> which would confuse the hell out of the pathfinder 23:16:47 <Supercheese> indeed 23:16:56 *** davidstrauss [~quassel@2001:4800:7813:516:62f:ce48:ff05:1b82] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 23:17:06 <Eddi|zuHause> powered-ness is a property of the railtype, not the vehicle, anyway 23:17:22 <Supercheese> ah, yes, just seeing that now 23:17:55 <toobored`> I see. I hit a nerve.. 23:18:18 <toobored`> I like having the metros as hauling shit btw very close stations of different cities 23:19:40 <toobored`> sth like of a small suburban train with a max distance of 10/15/20 or sth like that... still haven't figured out the correct math 23:20:10 <toobored`> but some of my best metro routes do sth like 2m/year on fully developed cities 23:20:15 <Diablo-D3> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=69822 23:21:14 *** heffer [felix@hyperion.fk.cx] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:21:48 <Supercheese> Coming Soonâ¢? 23:22:02 <Supercheese> seems coding required 23:22:23 *** ToBeFree [ToBeFree@00019d36.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:23:22 *** mikegrb [~mikegrb@mikegrb.netop.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:23:56 *** Netsplit reticulum.oftc.net <-> charon.oftc.net quits: michi_cc, Extrems, KritiK, TrueBrain, UukGoblin, Yexo, jjavaholic, kais58, ST2, blathijs, (+25 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 23:25:16 *** ToBeFree [ToBeFree@00019d36.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 23:25:16 *** mikegrb_ [~mikegrb@2600:3c00::2:2424] has joined #openttd 23:25:16 *** heffer_ [felix@hyperion.fk.cx] has joined #openttd 23:25:22 *** Netsplit over, joins: KenjiE20, peter1139, SpComb, SpComb^, LordAro, montalvo, KritiK, pthagnar, Godde, +glx (+25 more) 23:25:25 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:26:35 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:27:34 *** mode/#openttd [+v DorpsGek] by ChanServ 23:27:37 *** mode/#openttd [+v planetmaker] by ChanServ 23:30:23 <toobored`> Diablo-D3: will give that a 3 23:30:25 <toobored`> a try 23:31:50 *** blathijs [matthijs@drsnuggles.stderr.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:47:10 *** MJP [~mjp@hq.z77.fr] has quit [Quit: That's all folks!]