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00:27:31 *** luaduck is now known as luaduck_zzz 00:33:24 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc 1000*6/16 00:33:24 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 375 00:40:28 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc 1000*6/16/64 00:40:28 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 5.859375 00:56:40 <MTsPony> is there a way to modify a save game or scenario to convert all desert tiles to tropical ones? with a hex editor or such? 01:00:47 <Eddi|zuHause> you can just drag&drop the convert tool over the whole map with a second viewport 01:01:36 <Eddi|zuHause> scroll to one map corner, open a viewport with 'V', scroll to the opposite corner, drag&drop from the main viewport into the other viewport 01:02:05 <Eddi|zuHause> the desert-convert-tool un-desert-ifies with ctrl 01:03:01 <MTsPony> interesting, thanks ill try :) 01:03:13 <Eddi|zuHause> i postulate that any hex-editing method you could come up with will be more elaborate than that :p 01:03:28 <MTsPony> :p 01:03:42 <MTsPony> though, this will also remove pools and stuff right ? :( 01:03:53 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think so 01:04:11 <Eddi|zuHause> it's not a bulldozer 01:04:17 <MTsPony> well it shouldnt as... yeh what u said 01:05:29 <Eddi|zuHause> i have never actually used that tool 01:05:57 *** efess [~Efess@c-24-61-64-170.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:06:57 *** oteeec [~oftc-webi@81.161.60.193] has joined #openttd 01:07:18 *** oteeec [~oftc-webi@81.161.60.193] has quit [] 01:08:46 <MTsPony> yeh it does unfortunately,:( 01:09:19 <MTsPony> is there a trick to make a tile water again? other then flooding parts,manually? 01:18:01 <Eddi|zuHause> i think something like ctrl+click the canal or river tool 01:31:50 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 01:40:34 *** Pereba [~UserNick@187.59.237.115] has quit [Quit: â â â â â â ⠺⠺⠺⠲â â â â â â â ²â â â â â â â â â â â â œâ â â â â ºâ â â â â â â â â â â â ¢â â ] 01:57:19 *** MJP [~mjp@hq.z77.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:31:33 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@46-239-219-51.tal.is] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:43:27 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6DC32.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:53:40 *** Aristide [~quassel@2a01:e35:2eb9:64b0:952b:2d4:1f69:b643] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:01:45 *** efess [~Efess@c-24-61-64-170.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 03:26:07 <Eddi|zuHause> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrZFM2nvLXA 03:42:36 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:42:49 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 04:09:28 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:09:31 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 04:36:38 *** Hazzard_ [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 04:43:27 *** Hazzard [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:47:46 <ccfreak2k> Also I just realized that I think updating gcc broke my multilib. 04:56:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD58ED.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 04:56:16 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD4B90.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 05:19:50 *** LSky` [~LSky@5ED4B2EA.cm-7-5c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 06:10:32 *** Hazzard_ [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:11:47 *** George is now known as Guest653 06:11:49 *** George [~George@185.43.94.91] has joined #openttd 06:17:03 *** Guest653 [~George@185.43.94.91] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:19:42 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 06:19:45 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 06:26:08 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:39:09 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: we should all do that and bankrupt those companies ;) 06:43:27 *** sla_ro|master 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[~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:58:28 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 13:04:26 *** DigitalFox [~DigitalFo@bl21-136-120.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 13:04:42 <DigitalFox> Good afternoon :) 13:13:50 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 13:18:58 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:18:59 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 13:20:14 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@46-239-219-51.tal.is] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:21:45 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@vpnx228.nemendur.hi.is] has joined #openttd 13:22:52 <Alberth> o/ 13:44:11 *** pthagnar [~pthagnar@cpc7-pres17-2-0-cust28.18-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:49:29 <DigitalFox> What's the originals OpenTTD Fonts? Small: Arial? Medium: Times New Roman? Large:? 13:50:14 <frosch123> neither 13:50:28 <frosch123> they are custom sprite fonts from the baseset 13:53:01 <DigitalFox> No way of increasing it's size? 13:53:02 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:53:14 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 13:53:38 <Eddi|zuHause> no, you can only increase size of system fonts, not of the builtin font 13:53:43 <DigitalFox> ok 14:34:57 *** DigitalFox [~DigitalFo@bl21-136-120.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:42:38 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:07:57 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:08:11 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 15:09:00 *** trendynick [~trendynic@5-12-215-226.residential.rdsnet.ro] has joined #openttd 15:27:59 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 15:28:03 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 15:33:48 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-47-56.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:42:25 *** Hazzard [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 15:43:48 *** DigitalFox [~DigitalFo@2.82.136.120] has joined #openttd 15:44:17 <trendynick> I browsed the wiki & I thought to note http://archivewiki.fifengine.net/Special:Contributions/Trendy & http://i.imgur.com/ZnQLK.gif & http://logs.fifengine.net/#fife/#fife.2013-01-21.log 15:46:39 <frosch123> are you sure about the channel? 15:47:21 <DigitalFox> I was about to ask the same question :\ But then I noticed: FIFE stands for Flexible Isometric Free Engine and is a cross platform game creation framework. 15:47:35 <trendynick> yes 15:47:42 <frosch123> afaik it is mainly used in unknown horizons 15:47:46 <DigitalFox> Maybe he's refering to the use of FIFE on OpenTTD 15:47:47 <frosch123> which is not exactly openttd :p 15:47:58 <trendynick> only the wiki... the rest is not revelant 15:51:34 <DigitalFox> Not directly to you trendynick, but sometimes here and in the forum I read people suggesting rewriting or adapting massive parts of OTTD to another language, or framework, or etc.. Do people realize even just a bit the amount of work, time and energy that requires? 15:52:44 <frosch123> resp. that it would be a different game :p 15:53:33 <trendynick> I did not even played openttd... but as I wrote this is only about the wiki 15:53:35 <frosch123> DigitalFox: anyway, i think trendy is linking to a wiki-enhancement suggestion from fife, which e thinks is applicable to ottd wiki as well 15:53:47 <frosch123> though i do not understand why 15:54:54 <DigitalFox> trendynick: So if you don't/ever played openttd how are you aware of it? 15:55:31 <trendynick> documentation of a game is the same as metadata activity 15:56:40 <trendynick> i do not play - not compatible? - tyccon genre 15:57:45 <Eddi|zuHause> we have a wiki, what's your point? 15:58:39 <trendynick> those modification apply to openttd wiki, too 15:59:02 <Alberth> trendynick: the only relevant part of "tycoon" in OpenTTD is "you have lots and lots and lots of money". So much, it is not interesting to play for making money 15:59:26 <frosch123> the ottd wiki is mainly the manual. all other information on it are either personal, or unmaintained cruft that noone bothers to delete 15:59:35 <Eddi|zuHause> i find it impossible to see anything of relevance in the links 15:59:54 <trendynick> I am not that much of a gamer, maybe I'll play it later (as with other gaming activity) 16:00:28 <trendynick> wait to close some browser windows... 16:00:49 <frosch123> so, you are a free agent, who offers random projects recommendations on wiki restructuring :p 16:00:55 <Alberth> frosch123: some of that cruft is considered to be "archive", which makes it somewhat hazardous to remove old stuff :) 16:00:58 <DigitalFox> frosch123: lol 16:01:01 <frosch123> what do you take per page? 16:01:17 <Rubidium> Alberth: that's what web.archive.org is for ;) 16:01:47 <frosch123> Alberth: problem is, that esp. the dev stuff on it is mostly wrong/outdated, and every now and then some unlucky fool tries to update it 16:02:34 <trendynick> openttd or fifengine? 16:02:49 <frosch123> trendynick: in case you wondered, ottd does not use fife 16:03:25 <trendynick> repeating: documentation of a game is the same as metadata activity 16:04:09 <Alberth> trendynick: yes, but what is the point? 16:04:16 <Alberth> we don't understand what you want 16:04:35 <frosch123> Alberth: considering the main topics on main page: "manual" is fine, "development" is bollocks, "graphics development" is bollocks, "help with docs" ok fine, "help" is already on community page, "player resouces" either silly stuff from people who do not use bananas, or already on community 16:04:35 <Alberth> or what you try to tell us 16:04:52 <trendynick> eg. http://archivewiki.fifengine.net/index.php?title=Release_packaging&oldid=13455 16:05:24 <frosch123> Alberth: oh, wait, actualyl the "todo for releases" is something i actually use :p 16:05:33 <Alberth> trendynick: what should I learn from that page? 16:06:19 <trendynick> use of templates (see source) 16:06:31 <Rubidium> frosch123: except that the release section is horribly outdated ;) 16:07:07 <Alberth> trendynick: why should I learn about templates? I know what they are 16:07:58 <frosch123> someone already figure out what "metadata activity" is? 16:08:02 * Rubidium wonders where this is leading... anyhow, "metadata activity" seems to be dead (last modification in 2002) 16:08:15 <trendynick> http://archivewiki.fifengine.net/Help:Custom standardized look (productivity improvement) 16:08:30 <trendynick> or easier on new users... less questions 16:08:45 <Alberth> trendynick: not possible, we already have 0 questions 16:09:18 *** Midnightmyth [~quassel@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has joined #openttd 16:09:20 <trendynick> then wiki's traffic is too low 16:09:38 <trendynick> or usefulness 16:09:48 <Rubidium> if you can't count the questions, then you got different issues 16:11:28 <trendynick> "metadata activity" activity that only involves metadata, independent of data (but also independent of other metadata use) 16:12:31 <Rubidium> but yes, an average of ~20k hits an hours is too low 16:14:50 <Rubidium> oh... metadata activity got superseded by semantic web activity about 13.5 years ago 16:15:44 <Rubidium> and even semantic web activity is already "dead" given the fact that they state the page about it has been frozen 16:16:13 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-162.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:17:33 <trendynick> collapsable tables on openttd's wiki? 16:18:00 <Rubidium> also I wonder how templates will improve the openttd equivalent of fife's release packaging page 16:20:57 <trendynick> Rubidium: I'm still processing [19:09:45] <Rubidium> if you can't count the questions, then you got different issues 16:20:57 <trendynick> for last one... 16:27:20 <trendynick> I do not find what openttd use similar to http://archivewiki.fifengine.net/index.php?title=Developer_activity 16:31:27 <Rubidium> what's the point of collapsing the table in the developer activity page? 16:31:53 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: c('~' )o] 16:32:10 <LordAro> also incorrect: http://wiki.openttd.org/Developers 16:32:14 <trendynick> I did not meant those together... 16:32:32 <Rubidium> also... why are the HTML entity codes for the activity symbols before the table? That "page editor" help makes no sense to any normal user 16:32:43 <Rubidium> also... what's the definition of retired and/or inactive? 16:32:55 <Rubidium> or semi-active for that matter 16:33:42 <Rubidium> now... sortable tables... that's more useful than collapsible tables 16:33:53 *** luaduck_zzz is now known as luaduck 16:33:56 <LordAro> Rubidium, for ottd, it's as listed in the readme, iirc 16:33:57 <trendynick> retired will never contribute again, inactive (might contribute again) 16:34:16 <frosch123> so, "retired" means "dead"? 16:34:33 <frosch123> usually we do not know about that 16:34:34 <LordAro> yes. 16:34:38 <LordAro> :p 16:34:50 <Rubidium> but... dead people might still contribute 16:35:19 <frosch123> you mean something like the grandchildren composing a cd with the 100 greatest patches? 16:35:23 <Rubidium> in any case... TrueBrain retired, but he did contribute again 16:35:24 <trendynick> ctrl+F is usually more important than sortable tables, like i wrote in the noted log file spreadsheets is for sorting games data (or custom solution) 16:35:32 <Rubidium> frosch123: exactly ;) 16:35:57 <Rubidium> sorting the developers page on when they joined is quite useful 16:36:14 <LordAro> Rubidium, as i recall, he vetoed an attempt to make him "active" again :p 16:36:22 <trendynick> that is only fif+UH+zero (less than 30 developers always terminology) 16:36:41 <frosch123> Rubidium: it's actually impressive that it sorts the "pre" correctly 16:37:12 <LordAro> frosch123, you're welcome :p 16:37:15 <trendynick> wactually only development environment is usefull, code repository is for code contribution 16:37:29 <frosch123> LordAro: ah, you enteres dom white fake stuff :p 16:37:36 <LordAro> yup :D 16:37:45 <LordAro> found the suggestion somewhere else, iirc 16:38:18 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:38:21 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 16:38:43 * LordAro updates the commit count 16:39:38 <Rubidium> the really sad thing about the commit count is the 'fact' that it will take another two years for the r30k party 16:40:46 <frosch123> maybe we should count the lines of irc chat instead 16:41:35 <Rubidium> after all, we'll pass the â¡25k + (5k/3)†marker soon 16:42:49 <frosch123> like today? 16:42:58 <Rubidium> 63 minutes 16:43:33 *** Speedy [~speedy@the.wrong.domain.name] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:43:33 <frosch123> praise the afrikaans translator :) 16:44:23 <LordAro> :D 16:46:03 <LordAro> i have to say, an "environment" column would probably be useful/interesting 16:46:20 <frosch123> what's that? 16:46:28 <Rubidium> can mine say s390? 16:46:47 <frosch123> we changed topic so often in the past hour that i cannot tell :p 16:46:48 <Rubidium> oh... and DOS ;) 16:46:59 <LordAro> Rubidium, yours would be "everything" :p 16:47:15 <trendynick> as you have significantly more resources than switching to github what about http://archivewiki.fifengine.net/Help:Maintainance 16:47:19 <Rubidium> okay then !OSX 16:47:26 <LordAro> Rubidium, well, quite :) 16:48:14 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-162.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 16:48:23 <LordAro> a Zuu! 16:48:33 <Zuu> a Lord! 16:48:41 <LordAro> where?! 16:56:22 *** DigitalFox [~DigitalFo@2.82.136.120] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:56:42 <Rubidium> Orion Spur? 16:59:17 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:59:30 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 17:10:58 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:11:19 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 17:11:41 <trendynick> also everything used on that wiki is for compatibility with github (eg. tables copy-pasted on github are static; UH transition was then) 17:11:53 <trendynick> planet? http://planet.zero-projekt.net/ 17:12:14 <planetmaker> g'evening 17:12:23 <Alberth> evenink planetmaker 17:12:28 <frosch123> planetmaker: did you play with some physics again? 17:12:41 <frosch123> there are some serious interferences with some parallel universe today 17:12:52 <planetmaker> of course. I tweaked some constants. Did the universe explode or collapse? 17:13:01 <frosch123> otherwise i blame cern 17:13:40 *** Aristide [~quassel@2a01:e35:2eb9:64b0:5164:24b2:60cc:fd02] has joined #openttd 17:13:44 <planetmaker> (is there some reference / reason you ask?) 17:14:18 <frosch123> apparently ottd is hosted on github, uses the fife engine, and has the resouces to pay a free agent to reformat the wiki 17:14:37 <planetmaker> cool 17:14:40 <trendynick> also blame scrollback.io for not scrolling foward! 17:15:14 <planetmaker> I skimmed backlog briefly and didn't understand a word, tbh. The actual topic of the discussion still eludes me 17:15:22 * Alberth wonders about the shortlist of wiki stuff to delete 17:15:22 <frosch123> exactly :) 17:15:36 <frosch123> planetmaker: that's all the state of everyone participating in it :) 17:15:50 <planetmaker> kk. Then I don't feel bad about it anymore :) 17:16:32 <Alberth> planetmaker: not yet used to shifting of parallel universes ? :) 17:17:00 <planetmaker> I'm afraid, no. That's only a feature in an experimental branch and should not yet have been released to general public 17:17:07 <planetmaker> due to possible interferences... 17:17:10 <trendynick> the 3 links were to be read without my intervention (browsing random *reverted* contribution from wiki) 17:17:32 <trendynick> the 1st message 17:18:00 <Rubidium> Alberth: https://wiki.openttd.org/Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Delete <- stuff to delete ;) 17:19:01 * trendynick excuses his "contribution" 17:19:27 <planetmaker> frosch123, you confused me even more :) 17:19:51 <planetmaker> trendynick, as a newcomer to the discussion, what do you try to 'sell' or tell us? 17:20:09 * Alberth thinks fifi wiki engine 17:20:12 <Rubidium> Alberth: or rather https://wiki.openttd.org/Category:Requests_for_deletion I guess 17:20:43 <planetmaker> what's a "wiki engine"? 17:20:50 <trendynick> wiki redesign in a lot more words (because I do not have time to be involved in it, only some conversation) 17:22:06 <trendynick> on the "marketing material" one I had plenty of request for deletion... 17:22:38 <Alberth> planetmaker: a piece of software, that allows display and editing of wiki pages through the world wide web interface 17:23:02 <trendynick> http://archivewiki.fifengine.net/DeleteFromWiki & bla bla 17:23:26 <frosch123> seriously, are you aware this is not the channel for fife nor open horizons? 17:23:48 <trendynick> I was being ironic 17:23:57 <planetmaker> eh... indeed I fail to see any relevance wrt OpenTTD 17:24:06 <planetmaker> can you frame me in where you see that, trendynick ? 17:24:36 <trendynick> irony/design/... ? 17:25:23 <frosch123> did you read the story about the bot that passed the turing test? 17:25:36 <planetmaker> I did with great joy 17:25:48 * trendynick will write a pastebin link... 17:27:03 <planetmaker> trendynick, I think if you want to work on our wiki, sure, go ahead. If you want to suggest to buy some service for wiki, not happening. 17:27:29 <trendynick> it was irony, anything is gpl/epl compatible 17:27:54 <trendynick> & no price 17:28:13 <planetmaker> so, can you answer the simple question "what do you want to sell or tell us"? 17:28:35 <planetmaker> by not pasting a link, but explaining it in a few words here? 17:30:23 <trendynick> ~10m ago: wiki redesign in a lot more words (because I do not have time to be involved in it, only some conversation) 17:31:07 <Rubidium> so the whole conversation is completely pointless 17:31:29 <planetmaker> trendynick, and what's the point of the re-design? 17:31:43 <planetmaker> a re-design without a purpose or gain is pointless and tedious 17:31:44 <trendynick> minimal redesign 17:31:54 <Alberth> get less questions then 0 :) 17:31:58 <Rubidium> I won't do X, but you should do X and I will spend a lot of time telling you that you should do X 17:32:32 <trendynick> mediawiki changes are the same, that is its selling point 17:32:36 <planetmaker> I guess we get the questions here and occasionally some by IRC 17:32:45 <planetmaker> But I guess we can handle that. And there's forums, of course 17:33:23 <trendynick> they can be found on the "marketing material" if you want to see it as that (it is mostly the same) 17:33:48 <planetmaker> so, what is lacking and what would be the changes? 17:34:06 <trendynick> *(the code it is mostly the same) 17:34:41 <planetmaker> the user-visible changes, I mean 17:34:48 <planetmaker> as only that matters de-facto 17:35:42 <trendynick> yes, those are the only one that matter <- this is all about (time & productivity) 17:36:32 <trendynick> http://archivewiki.fifengine.net/Help for users 17:36:47 <Alberth> trendynick: I think you have a very wrong picture of our goal of the wiki 17:37:05 <trendynick> http://archivewiki.fifengine.net/Help:Maintainance for administrators of metadata 17:37:17 <Rubidium> so... now 6 people have already "wasted" 2 hours each, together with the amount of work for the wiki I doubt there will be a break even point soon for the amount of time we would need to spend on people not finding stuff on the wiki 17:37:20 <trendynick> code repositories and relevant sections for developers 17:37:52 <planetmaker> trendynick, that's a lot of links... and they don't seem to answer my question. Can you? What will change with out wiki? What has to change to improve its usefulness for our users? 17:38:09 <Alberth> Rubidium: It's good entertainment while having dinner :) 17:38:22 <planetmaker> *nom nom*. Indeed eating right now 17:38:39 <trendynick> if it is only for users: end of discussion (it is a waste of time! It will always be!) 17:38:57 <planetmaker> our wiki needs minimal administration 17:39:04 <planetmaker> we can't gain more efficiency there 17:39:15 <Rubidium> even then, most of the wiki is maintained by users that are NOT on IRC 17:39:44 <trendynick> if minimal administration does not means scripts = minimal usefulness wiki 17:39:52 <planetmaker> we could gain possibly by proper automated cross-linking of different language versions. 17:40:28 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 17:43:11 <trendynick> maybe only the developers page should be changed for now with ideas from the other wiki 17:43:27 <planetmaker> what should be on that page? 17:43:36 <planetmaker> and who should put that info there? 17:44:02 <trendynick> build environments, timezone 17:44:08 <planetmaker> (and what's the developer's page?) 17:44:18 <Alberth> unknown, not seen on the IRC channel for about a month <-- I like that comment, clearly fully up to date :) 17:44:54 <trendynick> http://archivewiki.fifengine.net/index.php?title=Developer_activity 17:45:33 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r26667 /trunk/src/lang (afrikaans.txt slovak.txt) (2014-06-29 17:45:25 UTC) 17:45:34 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:35 <trendynick> activity can be scripted by bots from commits 17:45:36 <DorpsGek> afrikaans - 30 changes by mulderpf 17:45:37 <DorpsGek> slovak - 9 changes by Milsa 17:47:11 <planetmaker> http://www.openttd.org/en/contact anyone? 17:48:06 <trendynick> usefull for new coders, ocasional patch contributors.. 17:48:32 <Rubidium> why does it matter for new coders whether I use Windows, Linux or DOS? 17:48:42 * trendynick will not dare to mention testers on free projects 17:50:03 <frosch123> but it matters that "kudr" is assigned to "yapf (pbs)" and planetmaker to "maxosx" 17:50:14 <planetmaker> hmpf :) 17:50:35 <Rubidium> but kudr didn't even make pbs, did he? 17:50:52 <Rubidium> and does planetmaker still use a osx desktop on a daily basis? 17:50:55 <planetmaker> hm, maybe an earlier incarnation? Dunno, was before my time 17:51:11 <Rubidium> the earlier pbs was way before kudr 17:51:35 <planetmaker> pm uses it... but much less than before. I'd need a new OSX one to enjoy using it. It's too laggy 17:52:48 <Rubidium> just like I wonder whether vurlix is really the second most important contributor 17:52:59 <Rubidium> (who's the most important one?) 17:53:23 <planetmaker> you? 17:53:30 <frosch123> or ludde :) 17:53:39 <planetmaker> one or the other 17:53:53 <frosch123> no idea what vurlix actually did, but not being ludde and leaving up to 0.3.2... 17:53:56 * Alberth votes for both 17:54:21 <Eddi|zuHause> KUDr came here with the intention to re-do PBS, and started with rewriting the pathfinder, then he didn't actually get to do PBS 17:54:44 <frosch123> and then someone else came and implemented it for the older pf :p 17:55:13 <Eddi|zuHause> well, we did discontinue NTP in the meantime 17:56:43 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C3AAD.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/nkczDT] 17:57:51 <Rubidium> and OPF 17:58:03 <Rubidium> at least for trains ;) 17:58:39 <LordAro> again, based on readme or what was already there :p 17:59:06 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r26668 /branches/1.4 (65 files in 4 dirs) (2014-06-29 17:58:58 UTC) 17:59:07 <DorpsGek> [1.4] -Backport from trunk: 17:59:08 <DorpsGek> - Fix: Days in dates are not represented by ordinal numbers in all languages [FS#6047] 17:59:09 <DorpsGek> - Language updates 17:59:23 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C3AAD.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 18:00:08 <trendynick> for game manual, how far from LaTeX generation (both html/wiki & pdf) is the community? 18:00:46 <frosch123> about a lightyear 18:01:04 <planetmaker> yeah, true for most, I guess 18:01:13 <Rubidium> at an as of yet unspecified medium 18:03:03 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C3AAD.versanet.de] has quit [] 18:07:24 <trendynick> the sprite are generated by blender? to me they (only terrain?) appear unintuitive angles (details cropped by algorithm) 18:08:24 <planetmaker> the sprites are hand-drawn or generated by blender or by 3dsx or by gimp scripting or by custom python scripts. Whatever the authors use 18:09:42 <trendynick> overall the look is stable but this seem too obvious 18:14:01 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C3AAD.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 18:18:21 *** chrswk [~chrswk@213.188.53.88] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:18:33 *** chrswk [~chrswk@213.188.53.88] has joined #openttd 18:33:03 *** Progman [~progman@p57A18FB2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:38:50 * frosch123 got too annoyed about the weird contributor list 18:38:54 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: c('~' )o] 18:39:05 <frosch123> i edited the wiki, someone wants to make a diff? 18:42:53 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:42:56 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 18:48:12 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:48:56 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 18:50:10 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:50:13 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 18:50:13 <planetmaker> oh, diff for src/ ? 18:50:14 <planetmaker> can do 18:50:22 <frosch123> readme and about menu or something 18:50:52 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:50:59 <frosch123> iirc it uses a completely different layout, including other credits of varying relevance 18:51:09 <planetmaker> I'll see 19:02:58 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:03:06 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has quit [] 19:03:14 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 19:03:39 <trendynick> the right-mouse pressed is DOS games behaviour or other reason? scrooling to direction, not turning pages of map by hand seems to limit planning 19:04:30 <trendynick> tracks "pops" at start, otherwise are ok 19:05:03 <Zuu> IIRC there is an advanced setting to invert map scrolling. 19:05:54 *** chrswk [~chrswk@213.188.53.88] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:07:51 <Eddi|zuHause> you can scroll by arrow keys, by right mouse click, or by touching the border (if enabled in settings, not default) 19:08:38 <frosch123> you can also scroll by left-click or mouse wheels if enabled 19:08:46 <frosch123> there are about 5 settings about scrolling 19:08:59 <trendynick> most advanced players play with the default? 19:09:29 <Eddi|zuHause> nobody has statistics about this 19:09:36 <frosch123> it is generally safe to assume that advanced players play with hotkeys and multiple mouse buttons 19:10:04 <Eddi|zuHause> it is generally safe to assume that advanced players know how to change the default 19:11:20 <Rubidium> well... changing the default is a whole different league than changing the setting ;) 19:13:56 <trendynick> considering this is not a spam game as starcraft I would use the hand-scrooling (reverse from default), I doubt any other game compete with it on "death of deshidratation kills" 19:14:26 <Eddi|zuHause> that sentence makes absolutely no sense 19:14:53 <Zuu> Well, you could argue that hand scrolling is more common now due to touch screens. That would make sense. 19:15:14 <frosch123> the default matches the default of the genre 19:15:19 <frosch123> stuff like widelands does the same 19:15:25 <trendynick> starcraft is a spam game! building economy is usually reverse as how to play with hotkeys 19:15:26 <Rubidium> oh... and regarding the DOS thingy... that's what was most common when the origin of TTD was released 19:15:43 <Rubidium> and for what it's worth... OpenTTD also runs on DOS: http://rbijker.net/openttd/misc/poc.png 19:15:44 <Zuu> But well, for me the current default is useful as right clicking with my wacom pen will cause it work as a joystick and then the reverse scroll is just wrong. 19:16:07 <trendynick> i asked because i don't remeber this type of games on DOS 19:16:23 <Rubidium> regarding the patches section on that wiki page, how are the patch counts determined? 19:16:40 <frosch123> Rubidium: grepping for name in commit message 19:16:49 <Rubidium> cause arguably LordAro has 21 19:23:15 <trendynick> for 480p I do not have anything to add, but on bigger resolution, map with zoom can be placed in a corner & other UI improvements but I'll expect it when fonforge will look curent software 19:24:51 <LordAro> :D 19:25:12 <LordAro> Rubidium, clearly i should get commit access :p 19:25:52 <frosch123> didn't you get it for freerct? 19:26:06 <LordAro> indeed 19:27:58 <Alberth> he collects them :) 19:28:24 <LordAro> gotta collect 'em all! 19:37:19 <planetmaker> http://devs.openttd.org/~planetmaker/patches/credits.diff <-- hm? 19:37:34 <planetmaker> I don't dare to call TB retired :P 19:38:27 <planetmaker> not sure I like the (from - till) time designations 19:40:46 <Rubidium> 0.4.8 for me? 19:40:53 <planetmaker> dunno? 19:40:59 <planetmaker> is it wrong? 19:41:07 <frosch123> if you want to add the version numbers, remove the "pre-" stuff, or even minor versions, only branch names imho 19:41:12 <planetmaker> http://wiki.openttd.org/?title=Developers&oldid=84824 19:43:06 <Rubidium> hmm... really that late 19:43:27 <planetmaker> with frosch's suggestion it's 0.4 :P 19:43:34 <Rubidium> 0.4.5 ;) 19:44:01 <Rubidium> "it's difficult" 19:44:07 <frosch123> planetmaker: technically 0.4.8 is a different branch :p 19:44:18 <Rubidium> 0.4.5-0.4.8 were branched off way after 0.4 19:44:22 <Rubidium> .0 19:44:34 <frosch123> but smatz and me also joined way before 0.6. we did not join with 0.6 but for 0.6 19:44:42 <frosch123> so, rb would be 0.5 in that case 19:44:50 <frosch123> or 0.4.8 if you count it as branch 19:45:04 <frosch123> hmm, yes, i mean 0.4.5 as branch 19:45:08 <Rubidium> there wasn't enough "new" stuff for the 0.4.5-ish branch to be called 0.5 19:45:47 <Rubidium> that's the reason there are no 0.4.1-0.4.4 19:45:52 <frosch123> maybe 0.4.5-0.4.7 could be considered RCs for 0.4.8 :p 19:46:32 <frosch123> hmm, no, only 0.4.6/0.4.7 are the same 19:47:32 <planetmaker> let's see that as branch numbers where your code is integrated in. Then 0.6 is right 19:47:35 <Eddi|zuHause> 0.4.6 was the one with the depot disaster? 19:47:59 <frosch123> planetmaker: real name for egladil is "Emil Djupfeldt" according to fs 19:48:11 <planetmaker> ah, thanks 19:48:22 <Rubidium> @commit 4044 19:48:22 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: Commit by matthijs :: r4044 /branches (0.4.5/ 0.4/) (2006-03-22 22:38:29 UTC) 19:48:23 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: Rename 0.4.5 branch to 0.4. Further minor releases will be in the 0.4 range, to prevent enormously long version numbers. 19:48:42 <Rubidium> 0.4.5-0.4.8 all come from essentially the same branch 19:49:02 <trendynick> known activity field with 2 subfields, start & end in that table; or dashed (you have one login for everything or not to have a script?) 19:49:30 <trendynick> the script could be branch aware 19:49:37 <planetmaker> what? 19:49:57 <frosch123> http://xkcd.com/1205/ 19:50:43 <planetmaker> meh, you two have the same colour 19:51:00 <trendynick> central signup page use a database with every openttd login? 19:51:12 <planetmaker> yes 19:51:19 <planetmaker> but there's only one login 19:52:05 <trendynick> you can update once per day last activity of an user and use it in such tables 19:52:38 <trendynick> ^ can also be made branch aware on developer tables 19:52:50 <trendynick> the script that use it 19:53:37 <planetmaker> frosch123, Rubidium so you want to differ the 0.4.5 branch instead of calling it 0.4? 19:54:36 <planetmaker> trendynick, and commits to branches are non-obvious as they're usually all done by one person. Which backports everything. Thus... the results will be pretty boring 19:54:37 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: 0.4.5 was really the first time the branch system was used, so calling it 0.4 should suffice? 19:54:38 <frosch123> yeah: 0.1, 0.2, 0.3, 0.4, 0.4.5, 0.5, 0.6, 0.7, 1.0, 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, 1.4 19:54:53 <planetmaker> k. So 0.4 and 0.4.5 19:55:21 <trendynick> frosch123: with perfect memory & no sleep ... 19:55:40 <frosch123> no, with logs 19:55:52 <trendynick> planetmaker: that is why it could be usefull, who need obvious information? 19:56:10 <Eddi|zuHause> but it was really a breaking point of development, so it should probably get a separate entry 19:58:53 <planetmaker> trendynick, a script will only ever return the time of the first and last commit. It will not return ever useful info from activity in branches 19:59:43 <planetmaker> only the sequential commit history in trunk gives the time span people are active. And that everyone can do quickly by the vcs tool of choice 19:59:51 <trendynick> you can update once per day last activity of an user and use it in such tables -> login logs 20:00:30 <frosch123> or you can link to ohloh 20:00:49 <frosch123> or ask dorpsgek 20:00:59 <frosch123> or ask the forums 20:01:09 <frosch123> or reinvent the wheel 20:01:14 <Eddi|zuHause> pr we can just say active/inactive based on activity over the last year? 20:04:30 <trendynick> is there a need to separate active (by login logs) from contribution activity? I missed the evidence 20:05:03 <planetmaker> the difference is people can contribute by debugging, reviews, comments, even w/o commit 20:05:24 <trendynick> why in the same table? 20:06:19 <planetmaker> and retired is officially announced to withdraw while inactive is disappeared w/o announcement. Basically 20:06:30 <trendynick> on the same page depends on the project - I do not know on openttd 20:07:23 <planetmaker> updated diff, frosch123 et al 20:08:33 <LordAro> planetmaker, i tried to get TB moved from "retired" some time ago - he vetoed the change :p 20:09:00 <planetmaker> :) 20:09:03 <frosch123> michi should be 0.7 20:09:25 <planetmaker> true 20:09:30 <LordAro> @fs 4993 20:09:30 <DorpsGek> LordAro: http://bugs.openttd.org/task/4993 20:09:32 <LordAro> ^ 20:10:26 <planetmaker> @commit 23903 20:10:26 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: Commit by rubidium :: r23903 /trunk (readme.txt src/misc_gui.cpp) (2012-02-05 19:32:12 UTC) 20:10:27 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: -Fix [FS#4993]: some instances had issues due to a value being out of range 20:10:59 <LordAro> :D 20:11:54 <trendynick> when I wrote ctrl+F is better than sortable tables, I meant is better to have colapsing tables with reasonable information (manual/automated editing) 20:12:05 <trendynick> maybe I wrote something else... 20:12:20 <frosch123> + Simon Sasburg (HackyKid) - For the many bugfixes he has blessed us with (0.4 - 0.4.5) <- that wording only works for "thanks", maybe "bug fixer" ? 20:13:04 <planetmaker> language style: Yoda ;) 20:14:32 <planetmaker> but yes :) 20:14:59 <LordAro> i wonder if t3rkhen is active these days 20:15:20 <planetmaker> I wonder(ed) whether I should extend the list of special thanks by some of the contributors list at the bottom of the wiki page 20:15:37 <planetmaker> he's active in greeting us at least 20:15:42 <LordAro> true 20:15:45 <__ln__> @seen terkhen 20:15:45 <DorpsGek> __ln__: terkhen was last seen in #openttd 13 weeks, 5 days, 2 hours, 31 minutes, and 51 seconds ago: <Terkhen> hello 20:15:50 <LordAro> well 20:16:15 <LordAro> @seen yexo 20:16:15 <DorpsGek> LordAro: yexo was last seen in #openttd 1 year, 30 weeks, 1 day, 6 hours, 59 minutes, and 43 seconds ago: <Yexo> <NGC3982> The station glitches are CHIPS related. I adressed it to Andy the other day, and it seems like it's b0rked in some way. <- it's still in the issue tracker for CHIPS, but I haven't had time to look at it yet 20:16:23 <planetmaker> gone for good, I recon 20:16:28 <LordAro> :/ 20:16:50 <frosch123> LordAro: tk is also active on twitter :) 20:16:58 <planetmaker> oh? 20:17:11 <LordAro> i don't doubt he's active irl :L 20:17:19 <frosch123> planetmaker: or are you doing the tweets? 20:17:25 <frosch123> i thought it was tk? :o 20:17:26 <planetmaker> I think he meant openttd's twitter account, LordAro ;) 20:17:36 <planetmaker> no, I never sent any single tweet in my life 20:17:57 <planetmaker> I occasionally post something on our g+ page 20:18:26 <LordAro> ottd has a twitter? 20:18:49 <frosch123> LordAro: https://wiki.openttd.org/Community 20:18:53 <frosch123> all the ottd you need 20:18:57 <LordAro> :p 20:18:59 <LordAro> so it does 20:19:06 <LordAro> i've just been following the svn feed 20:19:07 <planetmaker> :) 20:19:18 <planetmaker> I'd say, that suffices, LordAro :) 20:19:33 <trendynick> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet_(software) 20:21:13 <LordAro> @seen bjarni 20:21:13 <DorpsGek> LordAro: bjarni was last seen in #openttd 2 years, 38 weeks, 0 days, 20 hours, 2 minutes, and 7 seconds ago: <Bjarni> heh 20:21:15 <planetmaker> I should revise my secondary nick on freenode :P 20:21:36 <LordAro> (has to be done, whenever there are lots of @seens :p ) 20:21:53 <LordAro> planetmaker, oh? 20:23:51 <Zuu> Oh there is actually quite many posts in our Google+ community. 20:24:07 <planetmaker> the activity level is rather low, I think :) 20:24:10 <planetmaker> but there's some, yes 20:24:19 <Zuu> Oh well scrolled down to 2013 now I see. 20:24:52 <LordAro> s/rather low/g+ level/ ;) 20:25:05 <planetmaker> same thing ;) 20:26:02 <LordAro> hmm, what about this rudge guy? he hasn't done anything in a while :p 20:27:26 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, he totally never ever contributed anything to the community :p 20:27:45 <frosch123> LordAro: ottd is actually more alive on g+ than on fb, but rd beats them both 20:28:19 <planetmaker> yup. But rd has several openttd servers. so that's like #openttdcoop irc chat 20:28:29 <Zuu> Oh well, better than Desura where everyone ask for the next version to be uploaded. 20:29:00 <frosch123> yeah, even when it is actually our account :p 20:29:08 <frosch123> maybe we can shovel that onto lordaro 20:29:26 <LordAro> D: 20:29:35 <LordAro> wait, rd? 20:29:41 <LordAro> oh, reddit 20:29:44 <frosch123> maybe "r" is better 20:30:19 <LordAro> probably still wouldn't have got it :p 20:30:21 <trendynick> openttdcoop is for what? servers? 20:30:40 <trendynick> irc channel... 20:30:49 <frosch123> it used to be a server for cooperative play 20:31:07 <frosch123> but is now one of the central pillars for about any development related stuff 20:31:12 <frosch123> all kind of add-ons 20:31:47 <frosch123> they also have an wiki btw :p 20:31:56 <Zuu> http://www.openttdcoop.org/ <-- their website 20:32:18 <luaduck> gg me for getting nickbanned from ottdcoop 20:32:25 <luaduck> young idiotic me went full retard 20:33:11 <planetmaker> well, #openttdcoop IRC channel is still the chat connected to the game server. development chat is also mostly here 20:33:26 <trendynick> the login is separate from openttd? 20:33:42 <planetmaker> and devzone is open to everyone working on OSS projects in relation to openttd 20:33:48 <planetmaker> yes 20:33:49 <Zuu> You need a password to log on to their servers which you get via their IRC channel. 20:33:50 <luaduck> stuff like AP+ would be useful to have ottdcoop for 20:33:52 <frosch123> in the ottd world you need 3 accounts: openttd, openttdcoop, tt-forums 20:34:10 <planetmaker> ap+ is dead ;) we now have soap which helped cleaning it ;) 20:34:19 <Zuu> :-) 20:34:20 <luaduck> I thought soap was horribly broken and dropped 20:35:13 <luaduck> but it isn't 20:35:17 <luaduck> ok I have an erection 20:35:30 <luaduck> well to be fair anything that isn't AP+ awful TCL gives me an erection 20:42:16 <NGC3982> Go, go Costa Rica! 20:47:43 <luaduck> can soap do irc <-> game chat? 20:48:17 <planetmaker> yes. It's a supybot plug-in after all 20:48:27 <frosch123> night 20:48:31 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d0095b5.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 20:48:34 <luaduck> I can't find anything referencing it in the config, 's all 20:48:35 <planetmaker> every #openttdcoop server uses it, luaduck 20:48:44 <planetmaker> nothing in openttd config 20:48:54 <luaduck> the soap config.py I mean 20:49:02 <planetmaker> nor in soap config either, I guess. It's just there 20:49:08 <luaduck> ok cool 20:49:25 <luaduck> and I guess the last question is if it'll work with forks of supybot 20:49:35 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-162.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:49:40 <planetmaker> dunno. works with supybot 20:50:06 <luaduck> I'll stick with supy for the time being then 20:50:15 <luaduck> Limnoria seems to have some more features and stuff 20:50:44 <planetmaker> you could simply try... 20:51:17 <luaduck> but trying is effort 20:51:20 <luaduck> :( 21:09:10 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@89.137.74.191] has quit [] 21:13:19 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 21:14:54 *** MTsPony [~marctraid@008-086-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl] has quit [] 21:16:43 *** MTsPony [~marctraid@008-086-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl] has joined #openttd 21:28:43 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 21:29:45 <Wolf01> 'night all 21:29:48 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:39:43 *** LSky` [~LSky@5ED4B2EA.cm-7-5c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [] 21:46:21 *** Euryale [~Euryale@198.23.71.113-static.reverse.softlayer.com] has joined #openttd 21:47:12 <Euryale> Does anyone know if 1.4 got any new dependencies or compile-time options? 21:47:43 <Euryale> I'm on Gentoo and the ebuild is old (1.3) and I miss OpenTTD 21:48:00 <Euryale> so I'm going to update it since it doesn't seem like anyone else is. 21:49:19 *** Yotson [~Yotson@2001:980:6ac8:1:28ad:351f:878:3cf9] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:49:22 <planetmaker> doesn't the generic binary work which we offer on our website? 21:49:52 <planetmaker> anyhow, I'm not aware of new deps 21:50:18 <Euryale> Yes... but then my package manager doesn't track it 21:50:31 <Rubidium> it somewhat depends of what you want to use 21:50:33 <Euryale> ... which seems a moot point since I'm manually babysitting the package manager ;) 21:51:07 <Rubidium> there are a few dependencies that are optional, and one such optional things was added in 1.4 (xdg-basedir) 21:51:34 <Euryale> Ah! Okay 21:51:43 <Rubidium> though that dependency only does something when you don't have openttd.cfg in ~/.openttd 21:52:01 <Rubidium> so I reckon that it's a no-op on your system 21:52:50 <Euryale> I'll stuff it in a USE flag and call it a day then 21:52:52 <Euryale> thanks! 21:53:43 *** Midnightmyth [~quassel@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:54:49 <Rubidium> though I wonder whether they fixed xdg-basedir in gentoo 21:55:02 <Rubidium> if not, then openttd likely won't start 21:55:12 <Euryale> what's wrong with it? 21:55:40 <Rubidium> run-of-the-mill buffer overflow 21:56:03 <Rubidium> if you have 1.2.0-r1 of libxdg-basedir then you're okay, otherwise not 21:57:16 <trendynick> planetmaker: http://pastebin.com/VZyVfsk0 21:57:40 <Euryale> ah! good to know, thanks 21:58:07 <Euryale> apparently it's 1.1.1, so it's probably broken 21:59:27 <Euryale> alright, so using XDG it would depend on dev-libs/libxdg-basedir. 21:59:30 <Euryale> straightforward enough 21:59:48 <planetmaker> trendynick, do you try to tell me why to use a DVCS? 21:59:49 *** Wienish [~oftc-webi@541CCBC9.cm-5-5d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 22:00:02 <Wienish> hey yall 22:00:05 <trendynick> I meanth with wiki 22:01:59 <Wienish> Oehh we're talking about the wiki? 22:02:06 <Wienish> I was just wondering something about it :D 22:03:57 <Wienish> I was trying to download the World scenario 22:04:06 <Wienish> but I can't :( Is it available somewhere? 22:04:19 <planetmaker> did you check ingame online content, Wienish ? 22:06:02 <planetmaker> trendynick, OpenTTD has no feature branches (anymore). So there is nothing which a script can operate on 22:06:32 <Euryale> Is there anything that needs to be passed to ./configure in order to utilize libxdg-basedir or is it just a matter of it being present or not? 22:07:09 <planetmaker> Anyone who writes a (bigger) patch works on a (separate) repo, which also can be used for review. And there's no canonical place to find that 22:07:36 <planetmaker> thus the status of any patch can by no means be derived by means of any possible script from any database 22:07:51 <planetmaker> except by an intelligent bot which skims forums and IRC 22:07:54 <Wienish> I'm going to try now, planetmaker. I saw in the description I need a patch that makes maps go bigger. 22:08:11 <trendynick> the example can be about anything that cannot be done in sequential days 22:08:12 <planetmaker> Wienish, if that is required, then... not sure you'll have fun 22:08:23 <Wienish> :o why 22:08:43 <planetmaker> because you'd need an OpenTTD version which matches the exact one to load that scenario then 22:08:54 <Wienish> it is a 8000x4000 map, so it's 8 times bigger than a normal map lol 22:09:17 <planetmaker> whatever is "normal". My "normal" is 512^2 22:09:25 <Wienish> Am I allowed to make the joke I have either the "Latest" or the "Most recent" version? 22:09:38 <Wienish> yeah but I mean normal max. 22:10:04 <planetmaker> if you mention also by which definition of 'latest' or 'most recent', then you may. Otherwise it's stale ;) 22:11:07 <Wienish> I probably don't have the most recent 22:11:12 <Wienish> I will check it out now. 22:11:27 <planetmaker> Wienish, 'most recent' won't help you with the requirement to use a certain patched version 22:11:41 <Wienish> I'm on 1.3.3 lol 22:11:55 <planetmaker> lol. That's not 'latest' by *any* standard 22:12:07 <Wienish> No I was thinking the same :P 22:12:08 <planetmaker> it's like old-old-old stable 22:12:21 <Wienish> we're on 1.4.4 now I guess? 22:12:27 <planetmaker> 1.4.1 22:12:31 <Wienish> 1.4.1. i see 22:13:36 <luaduck> hm, is it possible to get soap to relay a group of servers into one channel with the Relay plugin? 22:13:42 <luaduck> documentation is a little unclear 22:17:50 <planetmaker> dunno. It's made for 1 server / channel 22:18:07 <Wienish> I'm updating to 1.4.1 now :) Also with GFX, GSX and that other thing.. GMX I believe :) 22:49:43 <Eddi|zuHause> BMX? 22:49:59 <Eddi|zuHause> do kids nowadays know what BMX is? 22:53:55 *** killertester [~igor@ppp-62-76-17-26.ppp.kmv.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:11:17 <luaduck> blarf, I can't find a way to do multiple servers 23:11:38 <luaduck> I have linkrelay set up but anything that linkrelay mirrors to the server channel doesn't get printed to the server 23:13:36 <trendynick> @1.4.1: (jazz jukebox sliders do not do anything on both versions) and it seems "pops" are more frequent than 1.3.3 (I have audio monitors) 23:15:55 <trendynick> http://s8.postimg.org/pm07yfagl/openttd_cpu_use4096_4096_Terra_Genesis_zoom_Out_tes.png fullscreen@1080p: it is bad code/implementation on track loading 23:19:38 <Eddi|zuHause> midi volume control is not implemented on linux 23:23:28 *** Progman [~progman@p57A18FB2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:33:28 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:33:51 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 23:38:30 *** MJP [~mjp@hq.z77.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:39:26 <trendynick> when I'll have time for contributing (or to relax from other activity) I'll sign-up, but for now I'll have only activity of a logging bot 23:48:50 *** trendynick [~trendynic@5-12-215-226.residential.rdsnet.ro] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:59:58 *** Wienish [~oftc-webi@541CCBC9.cm-5-5d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]