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[~LadyHawk@5ED3E068.cm-7-4d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 08:38:49 *** LadyHawk [~LadyHawk@5ED3E068.cm-7-4d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [] 08:45:01 *** George is now known as Guest3606 08:45:03 *** George [~George@185.43.94.91] has joined #openttd 08:50:13 *** Guest3606 [~George@185.43.94.91] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:04:35 *** HobGoblin [~jaa@yatima.uukgoblin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:04:38 *** UukGoblin [~jaa@yatima.uukgoblin.net] has joined #openttd 09:26:36 <peter1138> However, this is a problem with OpenTTD, the game, and not CanRail, the GRF. The game issues a call to CB11 and complains about it (see image) when the GRF confirms the vehicle length; but even worse, if the GRF lets the callback fail, the game will then use property 21 to (re)set the vehicle length followed by the error message. 09:26:41 <peter1138> Hmm is that so? 09:27:22 <V453000> does it mean he is changing vehicle length on the go? 09:28:46 <peter1138> That's what the error message says, but... why would you do that? 09:29:31 <peter1138> I thought by definition, if a callback fails it would use the fixed value. What else would it do? heh 09:31:06 <planetmaker> just don't feed the trolls... 09:32:38 *** George|2 [~George@185.43.94.91] has joined #openttd 09:32:38 *** George is now known as Guest3610 09:32:39 *** George|2 is now known as George 09:32:55 <V453000> this isnt feeding trolls, just correcting obvious half-truths and lies 09:33:34 *** Guest3610 [~George@185.43.94.91] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:34:07 <peter1138> That callback isn't tested very often is it? 09:34:28 <peter1138> Like, in the depot and of course loading the game. 09:36:16 <V453000> from the image I am thinking that he does it when the vehicle reverses? 09:37:16 <peter1138> No, it's moving 88km/h 09:37:34 <V453000> hm 09:37:47 <peter1138> Or at least, the original reporter's train was. 09:37:48 <V453000> how can you tell from that? :D 09:37:55 <peter1138> http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=179340 09:38:40 <peter1138> If it's reversing the it can probably be allowed 09:38:46 <peter1138> Dunno if it is 09:38:50 <V453000> right :D 09:38:56 <peter1138> *then 09:39:36 <V453000> what I imagined it is doing is that he has engine in front, wagon in end, engine being 7/8, wagon 8/8 or so, and when the vehicle reverses, he swaps those lengths 09:39:39 <V453000> but I have no clue tbh 09:40:05 <V453000> regardless, keeping a feature which throws errors is just dumb :) 09:41:09 <peter1138> Haha 09:41:32 <peter1138> Well, see, we could always just save all these callback responses in the savegame. 09:41:55 <peter1138> Then, in theory, it would never desync and you could change things whenever... 09:42:09 *** George|2 [~George@185.43.94.91] has joined #openttd 09:42:09 *** George is now known as Guest3611 09:42:10 *** George|2 is now known as George 09:45:41 *** Guest3611 [~George@185.43.94.91] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:48:28 *** Yotson [~Yotson@2001:980:6ac8:1:1cd9:c046:b480:1b8c] has joined #openttd 09:49:31 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 09:54:02 *** Pereba_ [~UserNick@177.40.222.128] has joined #openttd 09:56:02 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:58:08 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.159.34.114] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:58:13 *** Pereba_ is now known as Pereba 09:58:57 *** [1]Tuhin [~Tuhin@fip31c154.banglalionwimax.com] has joined #openttd 10:04:11 *** shirish_ [~quassel@59.97.99.63] has joined #openttd 10:05:17 *** Tuhin [~Tuhin@fip31c154.banglalionwimax.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:05:17 *** [1]Tuhin is now known as Tuhin 10:11:42 *** shirish [~quassel@0001358e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:25:25 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@89.137.74.191] has quit [] 10:26:08 *** kero [~keikoz@pha75-1-81-57-54-15.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 10:48:57 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@76.178.136.186] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:59:08 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 11:05:30 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:09:22 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:13:25 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:17:38 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [] 11:18:35 <V453000> I dont think the forum people give a single shit about yeti btw :D 11:21:40 <peter1138> Of course not, they only care about default vehicles or so called realism sets. 11:23:16 <V453000> (: 11:27:02 <LSky`> try reddit then V453000 11:27:12 <V453000> LOL 11:27:17 <LSky`> http://www.reddit.com/r/openttd/comments/2bdui4/previews_of_yeti_industry_set/ 11:27:49 <V453000> nice :) 11:30:42 <LSky`> im 11:30:46 <LSky`> http://www.reddit.com/r/openttd/search?q=yeti&restrict_sr=on&sort=relevance&t=all 11:30:49 <LSky`> moar 11:32:21 <peter1138> Yeah, reddit, cos the proper forums are too hard. 11:32:25 <peter1138> reddittards 11:33:21 <V453000> too hard? 11:33:28 <V453000> rather too retarded 11:33:52 <LSky`> redditards? thanks. 11:34:32 <V453000> at least it looks like people on reddit write sensible threads and people reply to them sensibly 11:35:07 <LSky`> just have to find the right areas 11:38:38 <planetmaker> seems yeti has another fanclub over there :) 11:39:15 <V453000> quite 11:39:26 <V453000> "he cannot do a better job than he did with nuts" :D 11:39:29 <V453000> is nice to read 11:39:38 <V453000> fuckers dont know whats coming 11:40:19 <peter1138> they seem to use their own patched version of ottd 11:40:36 <LSky`> correct. 11:40:54 <V453000> cant care less what they use :D 11:41:01 <peter1138> quite 11:41:40 <peter1138> 144MB update for yeti, nice :p 11:41:51 <V453000> the next version should be smaller :) 11:42:06 <peter1138> someone(tm) should write that stuff to do the automatic x4/x2 stripping... 11:42:32 <V453000> YOU want to strip my beautiful sprites? :D boo 11:42:47 <peter1138> download the x1 11:42:52 <peter1138> then start the game up 11:42:56 <peter1138> and download the x4 in the background :p 11:43:05 <V453000> well that would be quite amazing 11:43:25 <peter1138> possible i reckon 11:43:47 <peter1138> Damn this download is slow... I wonder which mirror I got. Probably mine :p 11:44:00 <planetmaker> tehehe :) 11:44:10 <peter1138> I think I rate limited it :p 11:44:34 <peter1138> Finally the horrible noise of the 1.4 intro game has stopped -- joined the server. 11:44:56 <V453000> thanks for letting people know about YETI LSky` :) I appreciate it 11:45:51 <LSky`> np 11:46:13 <LSky`> i figured people might not know about it otherwise 11:46:18 <planetmaker> only sad thing about the reddit servers is that they're so modified :) 11:46:26 <LSky`> not all are modified 11:46:33 <LSky`> most popular 1 isnt 11:46:47 <planetmaker> good :) 11:46:57 <peter1138> V453000, will you render 1x sprites eventually? 4x scaled down looks messy :( 11:47:10 <peter1138> (nearest neighbour is not the best) 11:47:21 <V453000> "most popular" usually means servers without newGRFs with Player people :P 11:47:29 <V453000> peter1138: yeah, or downsize them in postproduction 11:47:36 <V453000> but definitely, they even jump up and down sometimes 11:47:44 <peter1138> Yikes 11:47:46 <V453000> the downsizing done by openttd definitely isnt most fortunate 11:48:12 <peter1138> If you ensure you pad your sprites to a multiple of 4 that shouldn't happen 11:48:23 <V453000> mhm :) 11:48:28 <peter1138> It happens to standard sprites when really zoomed out, anyway. 11:48:37 <V453000> right 11:48:52 <V453000> I will see, I can either render x1, or get x1 from postproduction 11:49:00 <V453000> if postproduction does the job well enough, I will use that 11:49:22 <V453000> I think it should 11:49:28 <V453000> and it is just a few clicks to make them 11:49:39 <peter1138> Yeah, you can scale it with bilinear or cubic methods. 11:49:59 <V453000> I will try to code my masked sprites today, downsizing can come sometime afterwards :) 11:50:13 <peter1138> The trick though is to get it to keep some features sharp, else it all looks a blurry mess. 11:50:48 <LSky`> and yeah, most popular means no newgrfs, but not people called Player 11:50:54 <LSky`> theyre forced to change their name :D 11:51:11 <LSky`> theres an unmodified server with newgrfs as well, so its not like we dont offer choices =) 11:51:38 <V453000> :D 11:51:50 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 11:52:16 <LSky`> its just that the one without newgrfs always has the most appeal, for reasons I dont really understand 11:52:28 <LSky`> I guess its just the fact that you can join without having to download content 11:52:41 <peter1138> Oh gosh that's so hard. 11:52:44 <V453000> I do, most people are simply idiots who dont use newgrfs or cant press "download content" button :P 11:52:48 <LSky`> yep 11:52:50 <planetmaker> yeah, but that seems to be the case 11:52:50 <peter1138> When I were a lad, we had to manually download it... 11:52:53 <LSky`> thats the only explanation I can go of 11:53:10 <V453000> is is sad LSky` , but vast majority of mankind is idiots :) 11:53:20 <LSky`> eh, thats how its always been 11:53:29 <LSky`> i just try to draw some of the lesser idiots to the modified servers 11:53:33 <V453000> see, dont be surprised then :D 11:53:34 <LSky`> and that works out reasonably well 11:53:45 <V453000> what are the modified servers better at? 11:54:07 <peter1138> Excluding people. 11:54:09 <planetmaker> bugs 11:54:26 <peter1138> They include infrastructure sharing, I think? 11:54:27 <LSky`> people apparently enjoy playing in certain periods 11:54:30 <LSky`> and no 11:54:32 <planetmaker> instead of modified a nightly server would be interesting 11:54:33 <LSky`> infra sharing was removed 11:54:36 <peter1138> Ah k 11:54:41 <LSky`> couldnt be updated properly 11:54:51 <LSky`> the main draw is the daylength thing 11:55:20 <LSky`> and along the way, new patches are added 11:55:33 <V453000> yeah daylength because 200 years isnt enough :D 11:55:34 <LSky`> apparently were now trying a patch where you can control the speed of trains, distance between trains, etc 11:55:36 <V453000> but mh :) 11:55:59 <LSky`> 200 is long, but its just shitty if the map has reset when you log on the next day 11:56:09 <LSky`> or if all your vehicles are severly outdated 11:56:59 <LSky`> but we manage 11:57:20 <peter1138> do you play coop or competitive? 11:57:32 <LSky`> most servers are a bit of a mix between the two 11:57:38 <LSky`> its not -really- competitive 11:57:52 <LSky`> and some people do work together, but obviously others are free to start on their own 11:57:59 <peter1138> hmm, and then there's those stupid rules about industry "ownership" 11:58:17 <LSky`> theyre not stupid if you dont play on the server 11:59:22 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:59:42 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 12:02:56 <V453000> 2048*4096 excellent 12:03:13 <V453000> :D 12:05:03 <peter1138> sprite or map size? 12:05:13 <V453000> map lol 12:05:47 <V453000> my sprites are 1024 x 1280 render, industry sprites are 16*256 x 704 12:07:44 <peter1138> Nice. 12:16:01 *** Klanticus [~quassel@189.35.187.130] has joined #openttd 12:34:36 <V453000> omg humans on reddit are often familiar with nuts and are interested in yeti 12:34:37 <V453000> :D 12:36:36 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes, they are totally strange people... 12:37:22 <V453000> fien with me 12:37:33 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 12:37:46 <LSky`> its because one of our servers runs NUTS, i think 12:38:25 <V453000> yes I know I saw :) 12:38:31 <__ln__> V453000: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RexQLrcqwc 12:38:38 <LSky`> i personally think its a bit silly, but yeah 12:39:02 <V453000> it is silly if you want to use silly engines, but you can use the sane engines too 12:39:42 <Eddi|zuHause> "Police in Schwyz (switzerland) looks for new recruits with the slogan 'does your life lack spices? we have the solution' and the picture of a pepper spray" 12:40:26 <Eddi|zuHause> http://v2.suedostschweiz.ch/var/upload/news/image/234336_640.jpg 13:38:24 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-5f742c87.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 13:48:58 *** LadyHawk [~LadyHawk@5ED3E068.cm-7-4d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 13:49:34 *** luaduck_zzz is now known as luaduck 13:49:35 *** LadyHawk is now known as Guest3621 13:52:01 *** [1]Tuhin [~Tuhin@ip141c25.banglalionwimax.com] has joined #openttd 13:56:00 *** Tuhin [~Tuhin@fip31c154.banglalionwimax.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:56:01 *** [1]Tuhin is now known as Tuhin 13:56:12 *** Guest3621 [~LadyHawk@5ED3E068.cm-7-4d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: To find your heart, follow your mind when it wanders] 14:00:36 *** Klanticus_ [~quassel@189.35.187.70] has joined #openttd 14:04:11 *** Klanticus [~quassel@189.35.187.130] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:04:17 *** Klanticus [~quassel@189.35.187.70] has joined #openttd 14:08:42 *** Klanticus_ [~quassel@189.35.187.70] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:23:43 *** Hazzard [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 14:25:03 <peter1138> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=1126795#p1126795 O_o 14:28:23 <V453000> iz perfect 14:32:06 <planetmaker> I was about to reply. But got bored :P 14:33:21 <peter1138> :) 14:34:22 <V453000> I was not about to reply without getting bored 14:34:23 <V453000> :P 14:35:09 <Eddi|zuHause> conspiracy theory of the day: malaysia airlines has so much trouble because a malaysian court tried and convicted tony blair and george w. bush for war crimes in iraq 14:35:59 <Xaroth|Work> :| 14:36:05 <Xaroth|Work> http://www.npo.nl/live/nederland-1 @ Eddi|zuHause 14:39:15 <V453000> btw prepare ultimate push mayhem tonight pm :D 14:39:31 <V453000> going to push like 1280+ files :D 14:40:40 <planetmaker> oO 14:41:22 <V453000> 5 animations, 128 renders each, 128 masked sprites each 14:47:56 *** trendynick [~trendynic@188.26.254.160] has joined #openttd 14:57:10 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@89.137.74.191] has joined #openttd 15:19:15 *** Tuhin [~Tuhin@ip141c25.banglalionwimax.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:20:42 *** ZirconiumX [~matthew@cpc66203-derb15-2-0-cust161.8-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 15:20:54 <ZirconiumX> Hi all 15:33:42 * ZirconiumX is annoyed that people cannot do maths. 15:38:08 *** TheMask96 [martijn@pride.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:42:40 *** TheMask96 [martijn@wrath.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 15:50:29 * Eddi|zuHause is annoyed that people say maths when they mean calculating 15:52:38 <ZirconiumX> Depends on the context. In the context of a calculation, you are correct. In the context of the general subject, you are not. 15:53:24 <ZirconiumX> 2^2014 - 2^2013 anyone? 15:53:41 <ZirconiumX> (In symbolic form) 16:00:26 <Eddi|zuHause> what are you trying to prove? 16:01:02 <V453000> that math is gay 16:01:46 <planetmaker> nah. Math is. And it's a nice hybrid between science and art 16:02:48 <Eddi|zuHause> maths is the highest form of philosophy 16:05:22 <planetmaker> in parts it's a subset of philosophy ;) 16:06:20 <ZirconiumX> Physics, a branch of mathematics, which is a branch of philosophy. 16:07:54 <planetmaker> not quite :) 16:07:54 <ZirconiumX> Although Randall Munroe considers it to be the other way round. 16:08:32 <Eddi|zuHause> physics is not a branch of mathematics. you get physics if you take the philosophy out of methematics, and replace it with "realism" 16:09:00 <ZirconiumX> "Methematics" <-- I'm not taking drugs, thanks. 16:09:25 <ZirconiumX> Well, be honest. Have you found the value of X yet? 16:09:30 <planetmaker> math does not experiments and needs no reality, thus it's no science. 16:10:05 <planetmaker> ZirconiumX, we know the answer but don't do your homework ;) 16:10:18 <planetmaker> and that's not math, but applied calculus :P 16:10:34 <Eddi|zuHause> i've yet to figure out what Zirconium is. i haven't bothered yet about the X 16:10:59 <ZirconiumX> Mad. 16:11:27 <ZirconiumX> Bordering on crazy. 16:11:32 <Eddi|zuHause> that i probably am, but nobody has proven it in a court of law yet. 16:11:59 <ZirconiumX> Yet. I'll see you in court :p 16:12:19 <planetmaker> you can be crazy as you like. Unless you're also dangerous, a court won't mind :) 16:12:23 <planetmaker> hopefully 16:12:47 <ZirconiumX> planetmaker: "Calculus is the *mathematical* study of change" - Wikipedia 16:12:58 <Eddi|zuHause> a "dangerous" can easily be constructed without your influence 16:13:00 <LordAro> @calc 2**2014 - 2**2013 16:13:00 <DorpsGek> LordAro: Error: The answer exceeded 1.79769313486e+308 or so. 16:13:02 <LordAro> aw 16:13:21 <ZirconiumX> LordAro - bc? 16:13:36 <LordAro> no *nix atm :( 16:13:48 * LordAro loads up the pythons 16:14:02 <Eddi|zuHause> good luck with that :p 16:14:22 <LordAro> works fine 16:14:28 * ZirconiumX makes a note never to visit LordAro's house for all the snakes. 16:14:35 <LordAro> would you like me to post the result? :p 16:14:44 <ZirconiumX> I get a 600 digit answer 16:14:51 <ZirconiumX> So that's probably IRC spam. 16:14:56 <Eddi|zuHause> remember that IRC lines can only take 255 characters 16:14:59 <LordAro> probably 16:15:06 <LordAro> :p 16:15:34 <planetmaker> 2 * 2**2013 - 2**2013 ;) 16:15:44 <ZirconiumX> LordAro: It is actually possible to work it out without a calculator, and in a much simpler for, 16:15:44 <Eddi|zuHause> psst!! 16:15:48 <LordAro> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=2%5E2014+-+2%5E2013 16:15:48 <Eddi|zuHause> don't spoil it! :p 16:15:53 * planetmaker hides 16:15:56 <LordAro> ZirconiumX, of course it is :p 16:16:11 <ZirconiumX> I was amazed how many people answered 2. 16:16:16 <LordAro> but i'm on holiday, so i've switched off that part of my brain :p 16:16:22 <Eddi|zuHause> i learned very early in my school life that if i know the answer i should hold it back and watch the other kids play :p 16:17:16 <ZirconiumX> Wolfram Alpha queries related to 2**2014-2**2013 include werthers original chewy caramels. #logic 16:17:33 <Eddi|zuHause> that's why i lean back and wait a few minutes before i say: "'Quizz' is spelled with two 'z'!" 16:18:14 <Eddi|zuHause> i never understood why "Werthers Echte" are so popular 16:18:45 <ZirconiumX> Eddi|zuHause: I've spent about an hour of my life arguing about the English pronunciation of scone. 16:19:00 <Eddi|zuHause> what's that? 16:19:15 <ZirconiumX> lmgtfy.com/?q=scone 16:19:19 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 16:19:32 <Eddi|zuHause> lmgtfy doesn't work without javascript 16:19:35 <LordAro> heh 16:19:44 <planetmaker> :) 16:20:04 <ZirconiumX> "A scone is a single-serving cake or quick bread." - Wikipedia 16:20:34 <ZirconiumX> Someone needs to add a function to DorpsGek to return the first sentence of a wikipedia article. Closed source :( 16:20:50 <LordAro> supybot isn't closed source, is it? 16:20:55 <planetmaker> dorpsgek is open source 16:21:07 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, without actually knowing what it is, and that sentence not really helping either, i'd pronounce it "[sko:n]" 16:21:29 <LordAro> Eddi|zuHause, the correct way to pronounce it :p 16:22:01 <LordAro> http://blog.oxforddictionaries.com/2013/03/how-do-you-say-scone/ 16:22:06 <ZirconiumX> sCON (rhymes with gone) vs sCONE (rhymes with cone) 16:22:30 <Eddi|zuHause> the : means to make the o longer 16:23:17 <Eddi|zuHause> your explanation makes a lot of assumptions about english phonetics, which i probably misinterpret. but i'd go with the second one 16:23:21 <ZirconiumX> I have never seen that kind of stuff before. I'm only a teenager :) 16:24:09 <planetmaker> school should have taught you by teenage age 16:24:32 <ZirconiumX> Eddi|zuHause: Don't worry, there's a girl in my year with the name Elyss?" (e with accent, if your terminal is broke) 16:24:52 <planetmaker> there's like 4 accents at least 16:25:15 <ZirconiumX> e acute 16:25:21 <LordAro> ZirconiumX, nah, your unicode is broken 16:25:26 <planetmaker> à à à and others my keyboard doesn't have easily 16:25:37 <LordAro> é 16:25:49 <Eddi|zuHause> ZirconiumX: that looks horribly misspelled 16:26:02 <ZirconiumX> The power of an ASCII terminal 16:26:12 <planetmaker> it's surprising as to what passes as name, Eddi|zuHause :) 16:26:38 <Eddi|zuHause> ZirconiumX: the french word is spelled Elysée 16:26:40 <ZirconiumX> Eddi|zuHause: something stupid like French pronunciation, Italian spelling. Elise would be the English version 16:27:01 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, that's the name of a building. Not a girl's name 16:27:02 <LordAro> http://boingboing.net/2008/02/20/swedish-couple-fined.html 16:27:06 <Eddi|zuHause> (as in Champs Elysées) 16:27:40 <planetmaker> (or that road :) ) 16:28:03 <ZirconiumX> I've had lots of fun asking people who are non native English speakers to pronounce her name, but I spoilt it in this occasion. 16:29:53 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: no, it's an actual word, means something like "happiness" 16:30:12 <ZirconiumX> Just seen a facebook post of Windows 8.1 on floppy disks. Only 3,711 of them. 16:30:31 <Eddi|zuHause> so the "champs elysees" would mean something like "the fields of happiness" 16:31:13 <ZirconiumX> Elyse? Krystyna Lee. She hates her parents for giving her that name. 16:31:50 <Eddi|zuHause> as always happens when parents try to be too creative with names 16:32:08 <Eddi|zuHause> i've met a girl named "Schakeline" 16:32:15 <planetmaker> urgs 16:33:16 <Eddi|zuHause> (awful mispronunciation and misspelling of "Jaqueline") 16:33:29 <planetmaker> but Ãlysée is in my book only a name but not a word. Elisia or something as equivalent 16:34:02 <ZirconiumX> planetmaker: Elise? 16:34:15 <planetmaker> that's another version 16:34:20 <ZirconiumX> Or possibly Elisha. 16:34:47 <planetmaker> Geisha :P 16:35:02 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elysion 16:35:44 <planetmaker> yes, but there's no such word in french as derived from that 16:36:21 <Eddi|zuHause> it might not be in common use, but that's definitely what the building and the road name is derived from 16:36:39 <planetmaker> yes, that most likely 16:36:51 *** shirish [~quassel@117.195.123.125] has joined #openttd 16:37:02 <ZirconiumX> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elysium 16:37:04 <planetmaker> freude schöner Götterfunken, Tocher aus Elisium,... 16:37:17 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, that one 16:37:23 <Eddi|zuHause> same origin, same meaning 16:37:46 <ZirconiumX> Ah, ok. Can't speak German. 16:38:05 <planetmaker> It's the first two lines of the European anthem 16:38:20 <Eddi|zuHause> also, it's "Freude, schöner Götterfunken" 16:38:28 <Eddi|zuHause> comma is important :) 16:38:32 <planetmaker> :) 16:39:10 <planetmaker> "Ode to Joy" by Schiller 16:41:00 <Eddi|zuHause> famously put to song by Beethoven 16:41:16 <planetmaker> yeah 16:41:30 <Eddi|zuHause> in the 9th symphony, to be exact 16:42:41 <ZirconiumX> Final movement 16:43:47 *** shirish_ [~quassel@59.97.99.63] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:44:09 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, even in your young years you must have heard of that :po 16:46:05 <ZirconiumX> Yup. Even played it. 16:46:22 <ZirconiumX> Though never actually read the poem. 16:54:44 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm fairly sure we had to sing the song in school 16:55:25 <planetmaker> seems to be common, yes 16:57:17 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't get politics. they say "besides some questionable twitter posts, we found no evidence of russian involvement", and in the next breath they say "we need to increase sanctions because putin shows no interest in solving this" 16:58:03 <Eddi|zuHause> it's like "we don't care about evidence. we set up our agenda ages ago, and we want to follow through at all costs" 16:58:16 <planetmaker> It's a different 'this' 16:59:35 <Eddi|zuHause> no, it's not. "this" in both cases refers to the MH17 crash 17:00:47 <pthagnar> is it a different "they" 17:01:19 <Eddi|zuHause> possibly, but it's not far off 17:02:32 <Eddi|zuHause> Obama: "we need more sanctions", EU: "hold on there for a minute", Merkel: "we need more sanctions"... 17:02:45 <Eddi|zuHause> it's like they're playing a game completely removed from reality 17:04:07 <Rubidium> it's all the most appealing reaction for the respective entities 17:05:14 <Eddi|zuHause> it's like they made up their minds about putin being the ultimate evil in the world, then they provoke him, but he doesn't respond in the way they expected, so they must speak louder in order to make their belief more convincing 17:05:52 <Rubidium> if it's the American republicans they'd probably bomb Moscow (except that if they would be in power they wouldn't actually do it, but Obama not doing it makes him look like a wimp) 17:06:43 <Rubidium> although the question is also: is this what they actually said, or is it what the "journalists" said they said 17:07:02 <planetmaker> good question :) 17:07:06 <Rubidium> because journalists and the so-called "experts" are spewing out loads and loads of non-sense 17:07:14 <ZirconiumX> Even the Russian ones 17:07:49 <Rubidium> (instead of saying they don't know) 17:07:54 <Eddi|zuHause> it's like when Kerry said from halfway around the world: "they are disrespecting the dead", and when the austrian news phone to their correspondent at the site he replies "wtf is kerry talking about? disrespectful would have been leaving the bodies out there in 30°C heat" 17:08:47 <ZirconiumX> http://english.pravda.ru/news/hotspots/21-07-2014/128114-ukraine_boeing_russia-0/ 17:10:31 <Eddi|zuHause> ZirconiumX: that may very well be a "we fly here and take these civilians as cover" maneuver, and the rebels wanted to actually hit the wrong plane 17:11:27 <Eddi|zuHause> but neither side can be regarded as a reliable source of information 17:11:43 <Eddi|zuHause> the news is so full of propaganda... 17:13:00 <Eddi|zuHause> add to that the weird case of sanctions actually being bad for german economical interests 17:13:14 <ZirconiumX> There may be plenty of free presses, but very few neutral ones. 17:13:37 <ZirconiumX> The Russian sanctions will hit the City of London badly, but Cameron insists they must be done. 17:14:44 <planetmaker> UK and Germany will be fine off... other EU member states have their energy supply depend on Russia 17:14:54 <planetmaker> for certain definitions of 'fine' 17:15:45 <ZirconiumX> http://english.pravda.ru/world/americas/21-07-2014/128101-sanctions_airliners-0/ 17:16:15 <ZirconiumX> If they consider Putin to be being soft, then what are things going to be like when he's being hard 17:16:30 <Eddi|zuHause> ZirconiumX: but again with the hypocracy, england approved shipping of military equipment to russia 17:17:01 <Eddi|zuHause> like i said, i don't get politics 17:17:10 <Rubidium> IMHO the biggest bit of evidence against the Russian news report of trying to hit that supposedly near Ukranian fighter jet is the retracted social media message by the "rebels" claiming they shot down a military transport 17:17:22 <ZirconiumX> Unfortunately, the UK is an indirect democracy. 17:17:35 <ZirconiumX> Wonder what the results would be for a direct democracy. 17:17:45 <Eddi|zuHause> as if that ever stopped anybody 17:18:03 <Eddi|zuHause> like i said yesterday: "nobody of power ever listened to votes" 17:18:45 <Eddi|zuHause> either they're ignoring the vote completely, or they're shaping the vote so the outcome is what they wanted it to be in the first place 17:19:03 <Rubidium> but as almost all tragedies, it's a combination of greed and incompetence 17:19:55 <ZirconiumX> I think both sides have gotten to the point of tit for tat, personally. 17:20:16 <ZirconiumX> And there could well be another cold war if nothing is done about it. 17:20:53 <planetmaker> so... what do you do about it? :) 17:21:15 <ZirconiumX> Don't believe me? http://english.pravda.ru/world/americas/23-07-2014/128126-cuba_russia_usa-0/ sounds awfully familiar 17:21:16 <Eddi|zuHause> discuss it in a completely unrelated IRC channel, obviously 17:21:24 <Rubidium> planetmaker: *nothing* 17:21:37 <ZirconiumX> Rubidium: unfortunately so 17:21:46 *** Tuhin [~Tuhin@ip141c25.banglalionwimax.com] has joined #openttd 17:21:53 <Eddi|zuHause> also, i think we're already beyond the "point of no return" for a cold war. 17:22:01 <planetmaker> nothing might be wrong. But very little or you need to invest very much engagement and time 17:22:16 <planetmaker> and possibly be willing to dirty your hands in politics yourself 17:22:48 <ZirconiumX> Eddi|zuHause: I think the beginning was the whole Crimea issue in the first place 17:22:55 <Eddi|zuHause> i think the problem with entering politics is that it'll shape you more than you shape it 17:23:09 <Eddi|zuHause> ZirconiumX: no, the beginning was long before that 17:23:11 <ZirconiumX> planetmaker: if nobody else can stop war, then do we have much of a choice? 17:23:18 <Rubidium> planetmaker: co-operations (companies, countries, ...) almost always take the cheap way, and barely anybody wants to pay more for slightly more safety 17:23:55 <Eddi|zuHause> ZirconiumX: the "cold war" started the moment the EU and the USA picked sides in the revolution 17:23:59 *** Klanticus [~quassel@189.35.187.70] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:24:17 <ZirconiumX> All we can hope is that this second cold war remains cold. 17:24:57 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, we might not yet be beyond that turning point, but surely at least the tipping point. Not sure 17:25:33 <Eddi|zuHause> ZirconiumX: in the wake of this political coup, the russians had no choice in the crimea situation, because they couldn't let their primary fleet base fall into western zone of influence 17:26:02 <planetmaker> that's a rather simplistic view, too, Eddi|zuHause 17:26:27 <planetmaker> "having no choice" has become a way too popular statement. It never is true 17:26:56 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm sure there were plans for that in russian government circles for 20 years already 17:27:04 <Eddi|zuHause> they just waited for a situation to do it 17:27:27 *** Klanticus [~quassel@189.35.187.70] has joined #openttd 17:27:35 <planetmaker> That does not justify war 17:27:37 <planetmaker> and war it was 17:27:44 <planetmaker> and is. Just not a declared one 17:27:46 <Rubidium> after all, there is a large chance of surviving an airplane crash when the seats are mounted in reverse (but it costs way more because the hull can't be used as wing area anymore, or the seats need to recline a lot more) 17:28:11 <Rubidium> furthermore... it's going to be expensive to fly around all locations where people are having significant disputes 17:28:40 <Rubidium> how would you go from central Europe to Kuala Lumpur? 17:28:45 <Rubidium> - Ukraine... nope 17:28:46 <ZirconiumX> The last article I linked to condemns what Kozyrev and Gorbachev (to a lesser extent) did 17:28:53 <Rubidium> - Turkey... nope (PKK) 17:28:57 <Rubidium> - Syria... nope 17:28:57 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: obviously the answer to that is via syria :p 17:29:07 <planetmaker> Rubidium, I don't understand your argument "(but it costs way more because the hull can't be used as wing area anymore" 17:29:16 <Rubidium> - Israel... nope (Gaza) 17:29:17 <planetmaker> how would reversion seats cost anywhere any space? 17:29:42 <Rubidium> planetmaker: ever noticed the plane having a 3 degree upward angle during flight? 17:29:50 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:30:07 <planetmaker> well, yes. Though it's more noticable with 10° in test flights :P 17:30:08 <Rubidium> now imagine sitting on a seat with a 3 degree downward angle; you would slowly slide off the seat 17:30:12 <Wolf01> hi hi 17:30:26 <ZirconiumX> Hi Wolf01 17:30:49 <planetmaker> Rubidium, yes... but how does that impact seat spacing? 17:31:04 <Eddi|zuHause> if you change the angle of the seat, you need more distance between seets 17:31:22 <Eddi|zuHause> s/ee/ea/ 17:31:39 <ZirconiumX> Rubidium: Google picks a good route, if by accident 17:32:09 <peter1138> I need more distance between seats anyway... 17:32:16 <peter1138> They're clearly designed for children. 17:32:22 <planetmaker> maybe... not sure it actually needs that. The tilt is at knee level and doesn't impact free area really 17:32:36 <Rubidium> planetmaker: take a number of boxes, place them next to eachother. Then change the angle of the boxes and see they need more space 17:32:44 <Eddi|zuHause> peter1138: everybody with a larger-than-average size has that problem, so 50% of the population 17:32:48 <planetmaker> peter1138, I've once seen a nicer overview of seat spacing vs. airline... there's like at least 10cm difference among carriers 17:33:07 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:33:45 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: knee level is the exact spot where you need the most space 17:33:46 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 17:34:15 <Rubidium> planetmaker: the length of the trip even makes the pitch differ within a carrier 17:34:28 <Rubidium> long haul are usually more spacious than short haul 17:34:48 *** Klanticus_ [~quassel@179.234.191.254] has joined #openttd 17:35:21 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't really have a clue about flying, my last flight was in 2000 17:35:25 <planetmaker> sure. You can suffer more, if it doesn't take so long :) 17:35:46 <planetmaker> he... that was around the first flight I remember, Eddi|zuHause ;) 17:35:46 <Eddi|zuHause> but on trains i always take a 4-seat compartment 17:35:56 <ZirconiumX> planetmaker: I believe Ryanair had plans of making passengers stand on short-haul flights. 17:36:14 <planetmaker> ZirconiumX, I doubt 17:36:15 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: i've only flown twice. once to portugal and once to USA (via iceland) 17:36:26 <planetmaker> ZirconiumX, that would be illegal right from the start 17:36:27 <Rubidium> planetmaker: short haul has more competition (esp. easyjet and friends) 17:36:49 <ZirconiumX> planetmaker: http://www.theguardian.com/business/2012/feb/28/ryanair-standing-only-plane-tickets-regulator 17:37:17 *** Klanticus [~quassel@189.35.187.70] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:37:29 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: 4 seat compartment? I've never seen those, or do you mean the 4 seats around a table? 17:37:37 <planetmaker> ZirconiumX, I happen to know something about air safety regulations... ;) I'm quite sure that makes a good yellow press article. But not serious consideration through engineering ;) 17:38:24 <ZirconiumX> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertical_seat 17:39:14 <planetmaker> "The configuration and all designs have not yet been approved by regulatory agencies" 17:40:00 <planetmaker> "It has already been rejected by Boeing" 17:40:33 <planetmaker> "According to UK aviation law, passengers require a seatbelt on landing and takeoff, so the lack of a seat may preclude the design from being legal in the UK" 17:40:39 <planetmaker> etc etc. Thus a dead birth 17:41:28 <ZirconiumX> Ryanair - sacrificing dignity for extra money 17:43:45 <ZirconiumX> Could be worse. http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/travel/saddle-new-airplane-seat-design-made-cowpokes-real-passengers-article-1.438599 17:43:56 <ZirconiumX> That looks seriously uncomfortable. 17:44:52 *** Pol [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 17:49:22 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:50:44 *** Pol [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:50:55 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 17:51:27 <Eddi|zuHause> all i can say to that is "... and capitalism wins again." 17:52:41 *** DanMacK [~androirc@24.114.49.211] has joined #openttd 17:52:56 <DanMacK> @seen andythenorth 17:52:56 <DorpsGek> DanMacK: andythenorth was last seen in #openttd 1 day, 20 hours, 40 minutes, and 4 seconds ago: <andythenorth> bye 17:54:29 *** DanMacK [~androirc@24.114.49.211] has quit [] 18:00:32 *** Haube [~michi@37-4-140-17-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 18:12:38 *** montalvo [~montalvo@91.sub-70-197-6.myvzw.com] has joined #openttd 18:13:10 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 18:13:25 <LordAro> such impatience 18:15:01 <Eddi|zuHause> that is a perfect example of how these two people interact :p 18:16:55 <LordAro> indeed :) 18:20:59 <andythenorth> they seek him here, they seek him there 18:24:49 *** [1]Tuhin [~Tuhin@ip142c20.banglalionwimax.com] has joined #openttd 18:25:18 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:26:50 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 18:29:47 *** Tuhin [~Tuhin@ip141c25.banglalionwimax.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:29:47 *** [1]Tuhin is now known as Tuhin 18:33:02 <V453000> hm, what would be a good idea to make industry with underland and animated overlay? IShould I replace ground { sprite: GROUNDSPRITE_NORMAL;} with my underlay sprite? And where would you put the animated part? to building{} or to childsprite{} ? 18:33:59 <planetmaker> V453000, I would not *replace* the ground sprite, but I would draw one on top - which maybe also leaves out some parts where e.g. grass can shine through 18:34:10 <V453000> right 18:34:18 <V453000> so building for underlay and childsprite for animation 18:34:20 <planetmaker> that makes the industry also blend in nicer - no matter what landscape one uses 18:34:24 <V453000> yeah 18:34:29 <V453000> that is what I though 18:34:30 <V453000> t 18:34:30 <planetmaker> you can use several groundsprites :) 18:34:38 <planetmaker> on top of eachother 18:34:48 <V453000> oh 18:34:55 <V453000> :D 18:35:05 <planetmaker> thus you can use grass and draw just the dirt patches 18:35:21 <planetmaker> and draw grass. And then dirt patches on top. Both ground 18:35:25 <V453000> igetit ... currently I had the whole industry in building{} 18:35:42 <planetmaker> well, not wrong :) 18:35:56 <V453000> is there any downside/downside to either approach? 18:35:57 <planetmaker> no need to change those sprites. But nevertheless a good idea to think of nice ground sprites 18:35:59 <V453000> or does it simply not matteR? 18:36:13 <planetmaker> it matters for when people make industries invisible. Then only ground is drawn 18:36:22 <V453000> ahaa 18:36:22 <planetmaker> thus it's good to show something else than only grass 18:36:28 <V453000> right 18:36:47 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:36:49 <V453000> well my ground underlay also has some height 18:36:58 <planetmaker> ground never must have height 18:37:03 *** ZirconiumX [~matthew@cpc66203-derb15-2-0-cust161.8-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:37:14 <planetmaker> or at least extend beyond the plain ground tiles 18:37:17 <V453000> I mean the sprites have buildings which are tall in it 18:37:19 <planetmaker> i.e. fences cannot be ground 18:37:32 <V453000> which would make the buildings impossible to make invisible 18:37:41 <planetmaker> but default iron ore mine is all ground sprites only 18:37:44 <planetmaker> for instance :) 18:37:47 <V453000> aye 18:38:16 *** [1]Tuhin [~Tuhin@ip142c20.banglalionwimax.com] has joined #openttd 18:38:16 <V453000> okay, so how about I make a custom ground sprite which like says what kind of industry it is, being flat, then building{} is the underlay, and animation is the childsprite 18:39:55 <planetmaker> like ECS houses / TTRS houses. Yes. 18:40:05 <planetmaker> You shouldn't call buildings 'underlay' though :) 18:40:15 <planetmaker> that only adds confusion :P 18:40:24 <V453000> mhm :P 18:40:30 <V453000> what to call it then :D 18:40:35 <planetmaker> just 'buildings' 18:40:47 <planetmaker> as they are 'buildings' :) 18:40:52 *** Tuhin [~Tuhin@ip142c20.banglalionwimax.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:40:52 *** [1]Tuhin is now known as Tuhin 18:40:55 <planetmaker> animation then drawn on top as their childsprites 18:41:13 <planetmaker> underlay has something which can imply ground sprite IMHO 18:42:06 <V453000> kay 18:42:08 <V453000> thanks :) 18:54:39 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: i guess i use "compartment" wrong. maybe "pseudocompartment"... what i mean is that arrangement with two seats in one direction and 2 seats in opposite direction. there may or may not be a table inbetween. 18:54:59 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: table is more common in long distance trains 18:56:12 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, besides the luggage compartment it's the only place in a train where there is a reasonable amount of leg space, especially if nobody sits opposite of you 18:56:55 <planetmaker> only if noone is opposite of you 18:57:13 <Eddi|zuHause> "real" compartments (usually with 6 seats) are not very common anymore 18:57:22 <planetmaker> indeed 18:57:57 <Eddi|zuHause> well if somebody sits opposite you can still "interleave" the legs 18:58:13 <planetmaker> that's awkward with strangers 19:01:36 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: first class on the IC Berlin (6 seat compartment) has plenty of space too, though that 4 seat thing in the Thalys (in second class) is really small 19:02:08 <Eddi|zuHause> i've never travelled in first class 19:08:00 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has quit [] 19:09:55 <Rubidium> that's the benefit of a train that's often full booked in second class on earliest run on monday (due to high schoolers on school trip to Berlin), a boss that requires you to be in Berlin at a specific time and a boss that gladly pays to get you on that particular train 19:10:18 <Rubidium> not that there's much benefit to first class on that train, except slightly more space 19:10:52 <Rubidium> though I need to walk basically the whole length of the train along the platform because the first class coaches are on the "wrong" side of the train both in Berlin and where I get onto it 19:18:34 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not in a job that requires me to travel such long distances 19:19:12 <Eddi|zuHause> although i do occasionally travel 100km 19:19:29 <Eddi|zuHause> but my boss pays me a car for that :) 19:19:55 <Eddi|zuHause> it's not a very good or new one, though :p 19:21:16 <Eddi|zuHause> http://img.pr0gramm.com/2014/07/23/c0161111167c5aed.png 19:23:55 <Rubidium> nice to see they used UK English ;) 19:24:09 *** jjavaholic [~jjavaholi@grahamg63.plus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:24:35 *** jjavaholic [~jjavaholi@grahamg63.plus.com] has joined #openttd 19:29:06 <V453000> http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/3530/ this throws out "Using spritesets with different sizes in a single sprite group / layout is not possible" 19:29:17 <V453000> does that mean the sprite of building needs to be animated too 19:29:18 <V453000> ? 19:29:32 <V453000> the pixel sizes should be the same, they even use the same template 19:29:51 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 19:31:36 <Eddi|zuHause> "size of the spriteset" is probably something different than "size of the sprite" 19:31:41 <planetmaker> V453000, no, it means your spritesets must have the same amount of sprites. Or you only must use one spriteset 19:32:04 <V453000> hm 19:32:24 <planetmaker> it's a bit strange limitation and I'm not entirely sure where it comes from 19:32:30 <V453000> so the animation must be only in building and childsprite, and everything else must be in gronud 19:32:32 <V453000> ground 19:32:50 <planetmaker> but it must be observed even when you reference the sprites individually and care not about how the actual spriteset looks like 19:32:53 <V453000> because loading 128 frames of static ground isnt best :P 19:33:11 <planetmaker> you can also always fill the small spritesets with empty real sprites 19:33:14 <planetmaker> [] is valid 19:33:32 <V453000> I still need to display the "underlay" somewhere so I could just as well move it 19:34:25 <V453000> ... how do I give the ground{} multiple sprites? 19:34:41 <Eddi|zuHause> i've no clue about sprtesets and childsprites, but all that sounds horribly wrong 19:35:24 <V453000> yeah I would assume the building sprite and child sprite should be independent enough to have varying sprite counts 19:35:45 <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-industries/repository/entry/src/tiles/farm_tiles.pnml <-- hm, might be that you need to define the subsequent ground sprites also as childsprite, V453000 19:36:21 <planetmaker> but as children to the groundsprite 19:36:29 <V453000> ._. 19:37:20 <V453000> well previously, not adding/replacing any ground, and having animated building did work just fine 19:37:21 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BE35.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:37:35 <V453000> I would try that again, I just need to know how to add a ground 19:37:39 <V453000> dont want to replace it I guess 19:38:12 <planetmaker> use the normal ground. And define your custom ground (if any) as childsprite 19:38:28 <planetmaker> between the ground sprite definiton and the building sprite definition 19:38:35 <planetmaker> in the spritelayout 19:38:46 <V453000> right 19:39:39 <V453000> http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/3531/ 19:39:42 <V453000> same error as before 19:40:06 *** kero [~keikoz@pha75-1-81-57-54-15.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: kero] 19:40:15 <frosch123> just add empty sprites to fill them up to the same amount 19:40:28 <planetmaker> yes. sprite_industry_3X_tile00_under must have animation_frame sprites 19:40:38 <V453000> aha 19:40:43 <V453000> :d 19:41:02 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@i59F6B8DC.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:41:15 <planetmaker> thus amend 127 empty ones in the spriteset and then referencing sprite_industry_3X_tile00_under(0) would suffice 19:41:39 <V453000> aye 19:41:41 <planetmaker> or add your other groundsprites there and reference them by the appropriate numbers, thus adding only 119 empty sprites :P 19:41:57 <V453000> XD 19:41:59 <planetmaker> or buildings there, too 19:41:59 <V453000> mhm 19:42:09 <planetmaker> thus everything which is NOT animation can go there 19:42:16 <V453000> yarr 19:42:28 <planetmaker> just remember their ordering then ;) 19:42:40 <V453000> that is easy :P 19:43:01 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 19:43:29 <frosch123> [21:32] <planetmaker> it's a bit strange limitation and I'm not entirely sure where it comes from <- it comes from noone having implemented #3739 :) 19:44:19 <frosch123> apparently there is a diff, which is waiting for ottd 1.3 to be released or so 19:44:34 <planetmaker> :P 19:45:47 <planetmaker> damn, most of the diff is regressions 20:03:08 <Wolf01> 'night 20:03:16 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 20:04:37 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 20:04:53 *** Klanticus_ [~quassel@179.234.191.254] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:33:05 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has joined #openttd 20:46:19 *** Yotson [~Yotson@2001:980:6ac8:1:1cd9:c046:b480:1b8c] has quit [Quit: .] 20:46:29 <frosch123> night 20:46:31 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-5f742c87.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 20:53:52 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BE35.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:07:29 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has left #openttd [] 21:12:19 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@89.137.74.191] has quit [] 21:24:48 *** Haube [~michi@37-4-140-17-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:26:11 <LSky`> pretty impressive picture: http://i.imgur.com/gdXIuox.jpg 21:38:31 *** kero [~keikoz@pha75-1-81-57-54-15.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 21:40:37 <peter1138> Not very efficient... 21:46:21 <Taede> i don't think the passengers are bothered by efficiency 21:49:16 *** montalvo [~montalvo@91.sub-70-197-6.myvzw.com] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 21:53:48 *** montalvo [~montalvo@91.sub-70-197-6.myvzw.com] has joined #openttd 21:59:33 *** LSky` [~LSky@5ED4B2EA.cm-7-5c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [] 22:04:00 <LordAro> US president convoy, isn't it? 22:04:22 *** Tuhin [~Tuhin@ip142c20.banglalionwimax.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:33:37 *** bdavenport [~davenport@aeolus.mindlesstux.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:49:10 <Eddi|zuHause> no 22:49:48 <Eddi|zuHause> it's from the MH17 crash 22:52:47 <LordAro> ah 22:53:36 <LordAro> bbc is currently full of commonwealth games, so obviously everything else is not important anymore 22:56:04 <Eddi|zuHause> sports events do that. 22:56:20 <Eddi|zuHause> just think about all the things you missed because you watched the world cup 22:57:46 <LordAro> well, i didn't watch the world cup, so not much 22:57:59 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has quit [] 22:57:59 <LordAro> but then, i didn't look at the news either, so... 22:59:45 <Eddi|zuHause> well it's a general "you" 23:00:04 <Eddi|zuHause> just read up on the concept of "burying" 23:01:36 <Eddi|zuHause> if you're sitting on a pile of bad news that you know has to get out at some point, you wait for something that absolutely dominates the news, no matter what. then you release your news, and are fairly sure it won't make the headlines 23:02:07 <Eddi|zuHause> so maybe it appears on page 2 or 3 in some tiny corner 23:02:46 <Eddi|zuHause> and after 2 weeks, when the attention goes back to normal, the outrage level will be too low to throw any concerns 23:06:53 * LordAro nods 23:08:59 *** bdavenport [~davenport@aeolus.mindlesstux.com] has joined #openttd 23:36:59 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]