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00:19:43 <Celestar> good night :) 00:27:50 *** Celestar [~Celestar@p4FD6E87E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #openttd [] 00:29:48 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 00:34:56 *** MJP [~mjp@hq.z77.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:34:56 *** InvokeStatic [~Invoke@c-24-11-157-247.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:59:44 *** InvokeStatic [~Invoke@c-24-11-157-247.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 01:17:08 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 01:21:11 *** Pikkaphone [~yaaic@58.108.147.40] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:14:18 *** Hazzard_ [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 02:20:58 *** Hazzard [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:58:30 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@177.132.110.252] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:19:52 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@46-239-219-51.tal.is] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 03:40:43 *** Hazzard_ is now known as Hazzard 03:44:07 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:44:33 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 04:22:22 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:22:44 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 04:56:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD4E72.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 04:56:16 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD4E02.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 05:20:11 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@89.121.131.100] has joined #openttd 05:20:11 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:43:08 <Supercheese> Hmm, "Eine Königin unter den Bieren", although I'm not sure I've gotten the capitals correct as its in allcaps on the bottle 05:43:17 <Supercheese> it's* 05:50:16 *** Caffiend [~Caffiend@124-148-100-25.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 05:56:36 <planetmaker> capitalization is correct. But König*in*? 06:09:54 <Supercheese> S'what's on the bottle 06:09:58 <Supercheese> Warsteiner 06:10:56 <Supercheese> where the S sort of looks like an f 06:12:10 <Supercheese> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Warsteiner-Logo.svg 06:12:30 <planetmaker> ah, hm. there's an alternative way to write a (small) s. The ancient way 06:12:41 <planetmaker> the f has the - through it while the s has not 06:13:57 <Supercheese> I guess there already was a King of Beers so they went for the alternative 06:14:34 <planetmaker> there is, yes. König Pilsener :) 06:20:07 <Supercheese> Well, it's pretty darn good, especially at per bottle 06:20:18 <planetmaker> 2$? wow 06:20:25 <planetmaker> 1⬠:P 06:20:35 <Supercheese> no wait 06:20:36 <planetmaker> but yes, it's ok :) 06:20:38 <Supercheese> my bad 06:20:58 <Supercheese> my math is poor after beer :P 06:21:16 <planetmaker> haha :) 06:22:53 <Supercheese> hmm, thought there were 12 in the case, but 'twas 24 06:23:10 <Supercheese> lucky me 06:41:59 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@89.121.131.100] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:42:38 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@89.121.131.100] has joined #openttd 06:53:57 *** Celestar [~Celestar@mnch-5d86e7f6.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 07:03:33 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 07:03:43 <andythenorth> so roadtypes 07:04:07 * Supercheese would like them 07:10:27 <andythenorth> theyâre not as good as youâd think 07:10:34 <andythenorth> because they need to be able to share tiles 07:10:42 <andythenorth> which makes them largely pointless afaict 07:11:44 <andythenorth> imagine a dirt roads type, on which âhighwayâ vehicles are banned 07:12:03 <andythenorth> but to have dirt road-highway crossings, âhighwayâ vehicles would need to be compatible with dirt roads 07:13:04 <planetmaker> not necessarily. Those tiles would just have two road types 07:14:13 <b_jonas> wouldn't you just have two or three levels of road such that road vehicles can go on any but some vehicles can go faster on highways? 07:14:48 <b_jonas> eg. the same truck would go 50 km/h on dirt roads and 80 km/h on a highway 07:15:54 <planetmaker> b_jonas, yes. And now look at the plethora of railtypes where one could assume something similar :) 07:16:11 <planetmaker> and trams are 'roads', too 07:16:14 <Supercheese> I presume similar compatibility/poweredness lists would exist for theoretical RoadTypes as they currently do for RailTypes 07:16:26 <Supercheese> e.g. "can run on X but is not powered" 07:16:28 <b_jonas> but then everyone would just build the highways all the time 07:16:30 <planetmaker> towns can grow on real roads but not on tramways 07:16:38 <Supercheese> although hmm 07:16:44 <Supercheese> all consists are fixed 07:16:52 <b_jonas> unless the highways have more limitations, like they're always one-way and can have no crossings 07:17:14 <b_jonas> but than that could be done automatically, eg. make road vehicles go faster on long segments of one-way roads without crossings? 07:17:18 <planetmaker> b_jonas, yes. And everyone always builds universal railway. That's not an issue 07:17:24 <Supercheese> yeah, multiple type coexistence on a single type would be required 07:17:43 <Supercheese> Highway+Tram Tracks+Elevated Rails+etc. 07:17:57 <b_jonas> though you'd somehow have to arrange it can at least contain turns 07:17:57 <Supercheese> it would likely oversaturate the map bits 07:18:38 <b_jonas> Supercheese: and a subway right under it too 07:18:44 <Supercheese> ayup 07:18:58 <planetmaker> we just gained 8 additional bits :P 07:18:59 <Supercheese> would be quite taxing on the available tile storage I presume 07:19:25 <b_jonas> plus a universal pass-through station for subway+bus+tram+truck+elevated 07:20:15 <Supercheese> Hmm, I'd have to rename my grf if RoadTypes ever come out 07:20:33 <andythenorth> my conclusion is that I need to delete things like the mining trucks from Road Hog 07:20:37 <andythenorth> they donât fit 07:21:01 <Supercheese> the kind of trucks that would take up 3 lanes on the highway? 07:21:16 <Supercheese> tires taller than you, etc. 07:22:37 <andythenorth> yes 07:22:40 <andythenorth> the ones from HEQS 07:22:54 <andythenorth> were going to be in Road Hog 07:23:06 <andythenorth> but they have no purpose 07:23:38 <Supercheese> other than eyecandy, although that's sort of synonymous with 'no purpose' 07:23:58 <andythenorth> no purpose 07:25:04 <andythenorth> more than just eye candy choice though 07:25:06 <b_jonas> so really, what would happen if road vehicles could just set a separate higher speed for one-way roads? of course, then the route planner might have to be changed too. 07:25:20 <andythenorth> mining trucks have different stats to on-highway dump trucks 07:25:23 <b_jonas> (plus maybe you need highway type of graphics for one-way roads) 07:25:25 <andythenorth> which have to be in the set 07:25:44 <andythenorth> but choosing between different stats is boring 07:25:45 <b_jonas> hmm, no, that's not enough 07:25:59 <b_jonas> you'd have to make the high speed work only on long spans of road with no crossings 07:26:03 <b_jonas> dunno 07:26:40 <Supercheese> Long stretches of road are a disaster anyway because they can't be diagonal 07:26:49 <Supercheese> you end up canning it and building rails 07:27:16 <Supercheese> roads are really short-distance only in OTTD 07:27:21 <Supercheese> or intracity 07:28:14 <Supercheese> I suppose you could go for one of those long and thin maps rather than a square one 07:28:22 <Supercheese> avoid diagonals 07:30:03 <andythenorth> hmm 07:30:08 <andythenorth> maybe the dump trucks are the problem 07:46:38 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@89.121.131.100] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:50:59 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 07:55:06 <argoneus> why is autopilot written in tcl? ._. 07:55:22 <argoneus> I haven't even heard of that language 07:57:54 <planetmaker> don't use autopilot or ap+, use supybot with soap plug-in 08:01:47 <argoneus> I'm tempted to try making my own 08:01:51 *** Jomann [~abchirk@p57A0952D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 08:04:16 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:06:25 <argoneus> like a suite for web status / web control / irc bot / admin lib 08:06:34 <argoneus> all in one 08:06:52 <argoneus> but I guess that's been done before? 08:08:16 <planetmaker> no 08:09:00 <planetmaker> or maybe. But then those people kept those tools for themselves 08:09:18 <planetmaker> So that no other server could (easily) compete with them 08:09:26 <Xaroth|Work> there's a generic lib i made in python that soap uses 08:09:30 <Xaroth|Work> you can use that for any python-based tool 08:09:32 <planetmaker> Possibly with an excuse like "my code is too ugly" 08:09:35 <Xaroth|Work> be it web status, web control or admin 08:10:23 <planetmaker> Xaroth, re-inventing the wheel is so much more fun :P 08:10:31 <planetmaker> So many mistakes can be made anew :P 08:10:34 <Xaroth|Work> true that 08:15:10 <argoneus> well 08:15:17 <argoneus> 1, it could be a whole suite, not just assembled parts 08:15:22 <argoneus> 2, it could be a nice learning experience 08:15:34 <argoneus> 3, it would be reinventing the wheel but that's part of learning new things 08:15:49 <argoneus> sometimes it's good to make the same mistakes someone before me has done 08:15:52 <argoneus> if it's not a commercial project 08:15:54 <argoneus> at least that's what I think 08:16:20 <argoneus> planetmaker: so basically 08:16:35 <argoneus> if I made something like that, and it turned out not to be shit, and it was opensource, do you think there would be any demand for it other than me? 08:16:48 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 08:18:22 <planetmaker> I would believe so, yes 08:18:43 <planetmaker> license it agpl and people who use it must also publish their modifications, if they run it on their server :) 08:19:01 <argoneus> what is agpl again? 08:19:04 <argoneus> I only used GPL ever 08:19:32 <argoneus> I know lgpl and gpl, but not agpl 08:19:34 * argoneus looks it up 08:20:30 *** Hazzard [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:21:08 <argoneus> oh, it's gpl for websites 08:21:28 <planetmaker> yeah. basically tailored for web services 08:22:28 <andythenorth> I donât know why, but I find the aGPL a bit more dubious 08:22:40 <andythenorth> thereâs some reason itâs a bit hokey, but I canât remember what 08:23:04 <andythenorth> maybe itâs because affero version is not GPL 3 compatible 08:23:10 <andythenorth> or some other tedious legal thing 08:23:12 <planetmaker> is it not? 08:23:20 <andythenorth> might be FUD 08:23:28 <andythenorth> anyway, /me back to work 08:23:39 <planetmaker> but I guess it might not be 08:35:22 <argoneus> does autopilot/soap even work on windows? 08:35:39 <argoneus> I am just wondering if there are any people that actually have their servers on windows 08:36:19 <planetmaker> ap+ is known to bitch with windows, I know of several attempts, none successful. Soap uses python, so I see no issue 08:42:13 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:46:51 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6A4CA.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 08:46:59 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has left #openttd [] 08:47:09 <argoneus> um, is there a place where I can find documentation for the admin network enums? such as ADMIN_UPDATE_CLIENT_INFO 08:47:21 <argoneus> the doc on wiki only says which ones are sent when 08:47:26 <argoneus> but not what they contain 08:47:44 *** MTsPony [~MTsPony@008-086-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:51:32 <planetmaker> openttd's source code, maybe its doxygen documentation, and xaroth's libottdadmin2. And maybe dih's joan java library for it 08:51:44 *** MTsPony [~MTsPony@008-086-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl] has joined #openttd 08:51:49 <argoneus> oh, alright 08:52:27 <planetmaker> http://docs.openttd.org/ 08:52:36 <planetmaker> might have. It's the doxygen output 08:53:16 <planetmaker> but you should decide whether you want to write really a new library or want to make use of an existing library :) 08:54:51 <argoneus> well, I want to figure out how it works 08:55:14 <argoneus> networking has always been a black box for me :< 09:06:56 <peter1138> variety distribution is shit, anyone done a replacement for it? 09:09:38 <Eddi|zuHause> especially for non-square maps 09:18:59 <liq3> argoneus: look at the source code where that ENUM is used? 09:20:57 <argoneus> liq3: but the client doesn't send ADMIN_ packets, no? 09:21:55 <Eddi|zuHause> the admin port is not involved in gameplay at all 09:22:30 <liq3> there's no server source code? 09:22:32 <Eddi|zuHause> the admin port can be used to connect 3rd party tools like a webpage where you output stats 09:24:07 <argoneus> hmm 09:24:12 <argoneus> this will take a lot of figuring things out 09:24:21 <planetmaker> liq3, server and client share all the source code 09:25:04 <planetmaker> just different parts are used, depending on whether a particular instance is used as single player, or in MP as client or as server 09:25:04 <liq3> ok 09:25:24 *** MJP [~mjp@hq.z77.fr] has joined #openttd 09:25:50 <argoneus> so the idea is 09:26:21 <argoneus> that my program will send a properly structured packet to the server admin port, which is listening, and it will send a specifically structured response packet 09:26:31 <argoneus> ? 09:27:06 <planetmaker> an admin port client needs to register with the openttd server and tell it which types of packages it wants to receive. Those will then be sent to the admin port client 09:27:06 <argoneus> then all I need to figure out is what kind of packets the server deals with, I guess :< 09:27:40 <argoneus> when I looked in the source code 09:27:43 <planetmaker> there can also be several admin port clients concurrently connected to the same openttd server. Each serving a different purpose, for instance 09:27:53 <argoneus> all I found was a .h file with enums with comments what they mean 09:28:01 <argoneus> but no description of how the data shoud look like 09:28:07 <argoneus> should* 09:28:31 <argoneus> I suppose I need to figure that out by myself by looking how the server reads the packets? 09:28:36 <argoneus> and send them in the same manner? 09:28:45 <argoneus> or is there actual doc for thi 09:28:50 <argoneus> s 09:29:56 <planetmaker> somewhere in the networking code. It's UDP packages and their structure surely is described somewhere 09:30:19 <argoneus> ...UDP? the wiki says TCP ._. 09:30:39 <planetmaker> maybe TCP then. I thought it uses UDP for it 09:30:51 <planetmaker> see. I know as much as you about the networking code :P 09:32:24 *** Flygon__ is now known as Flygon_____________________ 09:32:27 *** ArdaXi [~ardaxi@do.ardaxi.com] has joined #openttd 09:32:28 *** Flygon_____________________ is now known as Flygon 09:35:11 <peter1138> packet != package 09:35:36 <argoneus> I've never heard package in networking context 09:37:43 <peter1138> it's a translation thing 09:37:59 <argoneus> translation? 09:38:06 <Eddi|zuHause> i've always thought of these as translation artefacts and assumed they mean the same thing 09:38:37 <peter1138> some of these guys don't english good ;) 09:38:46 <argoneus> oh 09:39:10 <argoneus> that's rude 09:39:12 <argoneus> :< 09:39:31 <Eddi|zuHause> or maybe the english are bad at teaching? :p 09:48:04 <argoneus> well 09:48:11 <argoneus> looking at libottdadmin2 it;s not that difficult 09:48:23 <argoneus> but there's a lot of magic numbers and strings that I don't know where to find 09:48:46 <argoneus> are you guys sure the networking part is documented? 09:51:07 *** Yotson [~Yotson@2001:980:6ac8:1:8811:9f92:300a:b295] has joined #openttd 09:54:14 <argoneus> oo, found it 09:54:21 <argoneus> it even says what parameters it has 09:54:27 <argoneus> fantastic 09:58:26 <peter1138> binary protocol ftw? 09:59:41 <peter1138> bah, it crashed :( 10:04:59 <peter1138> bah, fish never got start dates :( 10:05:28 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:05:38 <argoneus> bah 10:05:43 <argoneus> fucking cryptic C++ source code 10:07:45 <argoneus> okay 10:07:49 <argoneus> this source code is not making any sense 10:07:53 <argoneus> https://docs.openttd.org/tcp__admin_8cpp_source.html#l00056 10:08:22 <argoneus> it receives a packet, HandlePacket() passes it to the appropriate function, and that function.... receives an invalid packet? 10:09:26 <argoneus> or am I missing something important? 10:11:36 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 10:17:17 <blathijs> argoneus: Perhaps the method is overwritten in a subclass? 10:26:20 <Xaroth|Work> argoneus: if i can make libottdadmin2, understanding the packet code isn't -that- hard :P 10:27:43 *** Caffiend [~Caffiend@124-148-100-25.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:28:52 <argoneus> Xaroth|Work: your lib is quite robust though 10:28:55 <argoneus> I'm much worse than you 10:29:48 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@89.121.131.100] has joined #openttd 10:32:44 *** luaduck_zzz is now known as luaduck 10:35:16 <Xaroth|Work> argoneus: then use libottdadmin ? :) :) 10:36:25 <argoneus> but this looks like a really nice real world problem 10:36:38 <argoneus> I might use your lib after my shitty lib works somewhat 10:36:39 <argoneus> :D 10:37:45 <argoneus> Xaroth|Work: did you figure it out by reading ottd source code and doc? 10:41:40 *** luaduck [~luaduck@0001c465.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: OH MY GOD ZNC IS SO FUCKING AWESOME] 10:44:50 *** luaduck [~luaduck@host86-132-158-2.range86-132.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 10:46:56 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@89.121.131.100] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:58:34 *** andythenorth [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has joined #openttd 11:03:15 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.26.55] has joined #openttd 11:10:30 <argoneus> oh I figured it out 11:10:35 <argoneus> it was subclassed as blathijs said 11:32:29 *** Supercheese is now known as Guest724 11:32:32 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@76.178.136.186] has joined #openttd 11:36:38 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:36:57 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 11:38:21 *** Guest724 [~Superchee@76.178.136.186] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:40:11 <Xaroth|Work> argoneus: mostly, yes 11:49:32 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p57BD4E02.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:49:32 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD4E02.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:50:30 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.26.55] has quit [] 11:50:51 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 11:51:17 <Eddi|zuHause> it's certainly getting annoying 12:14:44 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 12:21:41 *** efess [~Efess@c-24-61-64-170.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:31:02 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@46-239-219-51.tal.is] has joined #openttd 13:30:36 *** efess [~Efess@c-24-61-64-170.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 13:46:01 *** ATS63 [~peterh@2407:500::2:981d:d5e9] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:46:05 *** ATS63 [~peterh@2407:500::2:981d:d5e9] has joined #openttd 13:52:15 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.26.55] has joined #openttd 14:00:33 *** Myhorta[1] [~Myhorta@10.87.37.188.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #openttd 14:04:08 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:04:13 *** liq3 [~liq3@CPE-120-147-178-81.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 14:28:04 *** KouDy [~koudy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:33:54 *** Celestar [~Celestar@mnch-5d86e7f6.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:42:16 *** KouDy [~koudy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 14:59:57 *** luaduck [~luaduck@0001c465.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: OH MY GOD ZNC IS SO FUCKING AWESOME] 15:03:13 *** Myhorta[1] [~Myhorta@10.87.37.188.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:03:51 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host116-238-dynamic.248-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 15:03:56 <Wolf01> hi hi 15:15:14 *** jinks [~jinks@172.245.35.67] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:15:16 <Eddi|zuHause> http://pbs.twimg.com/media/ByS8EK6CUAAqEgL.jpg 15:15:29 *** jinks [~jinks@172.245.35.67] has joined #openttd 15:17:34 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 15:24:44 <andythenorth> it bends? 15:24:54 <andythenorth> shocking 15:24:58 <andythenorth> where is bird? 15:28:49 <Eddi|zuHause> in the air? 15:29:27 <andythenorth> heâs in pineapple land 15:30:31 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d01d69b.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 15:36:42 <lastmikoi> . 15:38:07 *** DanMacK [~androirc@24.114.27.4] has joined #openttd 15:38:54 <andythenorth> now we just need pikka 15:39:06 <DanMacK> lol no kidding 15:39:51 *** jinks [~jinks@172.245.35.67] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:40:01 *** jinks [~jinks@172.245.35.67] has joined #openttd 15:40:16 <argoneus> is PikkaBird Pikka? 15:40:18 <Eddi|zuHause> wait... the two of you in the same channel at the same time? THE WORLD WILL IMPLODE 15:40:20 <argoneus> and PikkaChoo 15:40:22 <argoneus> all at the same time? 15:40:55 <andythenorth> yes 15:41:03 <andythenorth> also PikkaPhone 15:41:06 <andythenorth> and Pikka2 15:41:09 <andythenorth> and Pokka 15:41:13 <andythenorth> you get the idea... 15:41:25 <Eddi|zuHause> P*kka* 15:41:42 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 15:41:45 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 15:41:45 <Eddi|zuHause> except when it's not... 15:41:52 <andythenorth> pikka is not Alberth 15:42:35 <Alberth> indeed, never visited the down under land so far 15:43:37 <Alberth> Alberth is also not andythenorth 15:44:01 <Eddi|zuHause> and not DorpsGek either 15:44:39 <Alberth> that's long term goal, but it's not working very well so far 15:44:40 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause is not frosch123 15:44:44 *** ATS63 [~peterh@2407:500::2:981d:d5e9] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:44:49 <andythenorth> nor ATS6 15:45:26 <Alberth> o/ all unique persons! 15:45:33 <Eddi|zuHause> but ATS63 is peter 15:46:30 <andythenorth> yeah 15:46:55 <Eddi|zuHause> what happened to the theory that everybody is the same 7 people over and over? 15:47:38 <andythenorth> did we name 7 yet? 15:48:13 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: __ln__: i have a task for you :) both "etwas klaglos akzeptieren" and "etwas sang- und klanglos akzeptieren" are valid terms. what about "etwas klanglos akzeptieren"? does one relate to the other? 15:48:40 <Eddi|zuHause> that sounds wrong 15:49:10 <Eddi|zuHause> usually it's "sang- und klanglos untergehen", though 15:50:21 <Eddi|zuHause> thus i might already be arguing with the premise of "valid term" 15:50:22 <argoneus> so P.+k{,2}a.* 15:50:31 *** ATS63 [~peterh@2407:500::2:981d:d5e9] has joined #openttd 15:50:42 <Eddi|zuHause> argoneus: no, it's always two 'k' 15:51:25 <argoneus> ^P.kka.*$ ? 15:51:35 <argoneus> \S* rather 15:51:49 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:59:15 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@46-239-219-51.tal.is] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 16:01:17 *** FLHerne_ [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:04:47 *** DanMacK [~androirc@24.114.27.4] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:05:43 *** Yotson [~Yotson@2001:980:6ac8:1:8811:9f92:300a:b295] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:05:59 *** Yotson [~Yotson@2001:980:6ac8:1:8811:9f92:300a:b295] has joined #openttd 16:06:29 *** MTsPony [~MTsPony@008-086-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:06:40 *** MTsPony [~MTsPony@008-086-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl] has joined #openttd 16:07:53 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:09:33 *** tyteen4a03 [tyteen4a03@Daedalusx.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:14:25 *** Tirili [~chatzilla@kel30.kel.studentenwerk-goettingen.de] has joined #openttd 16:20:19 *** tyteen4a03 [tyteen4a03@Daedalusx.net] has joined #openttd 16:27:36 *** TheMask96 [martijn@pride.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:30:17 *** Tirili [~chatzilla@kel30.kel.studentenwerk-goettingen.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [SeaMonkey 2.29/20140909085502]] 16:31:54 *** TheMask96 [martijn@envy.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 16:37:55 *** andythenorth [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 16:45:26 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r26915 /trunk/src/script/api (script_company.hpp script_town.hpp) (2014-09-24 16:45:20 UTC) 16:45:27 <DorpsGek> -Fix: API docs 16:53:27 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 16:55:15 <Eddi|zuHause> env x='() { :;}; echo vulnerable' bash -c "echo test" 16:57:00 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:57:03 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 17:19:21 <argoneus> is the windows .cfg identical to the linux one? minus line endings 17:19:34 <argoneus> I want to configure my server on windows and then just scp it onto my vps 17:20:03 <Alberth> if you use / for directory separators in newgrf settings 17:20:14 <glx> and no full pahts 17:20:17 <glx> *paths 17:20:40 <Alberth> yeah c:/program files/.... :D 17:20:44 <argoneus> oh fuk 17:20:45 <argoneus> it uses \ 17:20:50 <argoneus> well I can just edit that I guess 17:21:30 <Alberth> sed -e 's/\/\//' < config_windows.cfg > config_unix.cfg :p 17:21:48 <Alberth> hmm, needs a /g :) 17:22:00 <argoneus> doesn't 17:22:03 <argoneus> it only occurs once per line max 17:22:46 <argoneus> or wait 17:22:50 <argoneus> does sed go line by line 17:22:50 <argoneus> hmmm 17:23:11 <glx> sed goes line by line but you can have multiple \ on one line 17:23:24 <argoneus> I don't think I do 17:23:27 <argoneus> oh I do, in one case 17:24:09 <Alberth> oh, uppercase vs lowercase file names may also cause trouble 17:24:17 <Eddi|zuHause> itSn not about what you have right now, it's about what you CAN have 17:24:44 <glx> and yes linux is picky about filename case ;) 17:24:46 <argoneus> god dammit 17:24:47 <Eddi|zuHause> s/itSn/it's/ 17:24:49 <argoneus> so many things would be easier 17:24:52 <argoneus> if my desktop was linux 17:24:58 <argoneus> and not shitdos 17:25:14 <Eddi|zuHause> there's an easy fix for that 17:25:29 <argoneus> b-but muh videogames 17:26:39 <Alberth> the question is, is that time with non-openttd games worth the bother all the other time :p 17:27:07 <argoneus> half of my steam library would become void :( 17:27:56 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 17:28:07 <argoneus> it's like walling off half of my flat's rooms to get working heating in one room 17:28:09 <Alberth> you don't have to convince me :p 17:29:44 <glx> VM can be a solution 17:29:57 <argoneus> but VM doesn't have graphics acceleration 17:29:58 <argoneus> or does it? 17:30:18 <glx> not really needed to configure openttd ;) 17:32:02 <Eddi|zuHause> wine is pretty good nowadays 17:33:48 *** Tirili [~chatzilla@kel30.kel.studentenwerk-goettingen.de] has joined #openttd 17:35:04 *** FLHerne_ [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:35:49 *** fjb [~frank@000158aa.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:35:56 <fjb> Moin. 17:36:38 <Eddi|zuHause> quak 17:36:51 <fjb> Oh 17:37:02 <fjb> Quak Eddi|zuHause 17:38:46 <frosch123> moin 17:39:18 <fjb> Quak frosch123 17:40:00 <LordAro> quak 17:40:29 <frosch123> i found some old files 17:40:45 <frosch123> i think 1990-11-18 is when i started learning programming :p 17:40:46 <Eddi|zuHause> man i have plenty of those :p 17:40:50 <fjb> Quak LordAro 17:40:58 <LordAro> o/ fjb 17:41:10 <Eddi|zuHause> unfortunately, on some diskettes, which i don't have a drive for anymore 17:42:10 <Eddi|zuHause> one of the first programs i wrote displayed the message "Loading..." with some forced delay :p 17:43:01 <frosch123> apparently there was no "delay" in gwbasic, instead i learned to do a loop from 1 to 100 to compute some sinus :p 17:44:23 <Eddi|zuHause> my first programs were in dbase 17:44:32 <Eddi|zuHause> aside from some .bat 17:45:02 <fjb> I remember I learned programming in 1985, but I don't know it that disks are still readable. 17:45:16 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2014/09/Middle East Explained.jpg 17:45:21 <Eddi|zuHause> err 17:45:31 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2014/09/Middle%20East%20Explained.jpg 17:45:46 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r26916 /trunk/src/lang (3 files) (2014-09-24 17:45:37 UTC) 17:45:47 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:48 <DorpsGek> afrikaans - 13 changes by mulderpf 17:45:49 <DorpsGek> catalan - 24 changes by juanjo 17:45:50 <DorpsGek> spanish - 3 changes by SilverSurferZzZ 17:47:04 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: sounds accurate 17:47:24 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6A4CA.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:53:01 <fjb> So true. 17:54:11 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6A4CA.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 17:55:53 <frosch123> i like those quiz gwbasic programs, where you have to type the answer to a question 17:56:03 <Eddi|zuHause> Somalia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya... the USA have a long track record of invading countries and then leaving them with destabilizing anarchy 17:56:09 <frosch123> but with the spelling skills of a 8 year old 17:56:15 <frosch123> otherwise it's wrong :p 17:57:22 <Eddi|zuHause> looking back, it's a miracle that '45 didn't end even worse :p 17:58:07 <fjb> They had a plan for the future back then. 17:58:48 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm sure they have loads of plans... 17:58:56 <Eddi|zuHause> not all plans actually work out 17:59:15 <Eddi|zuHause> they also had a plan to completely deindustrialize germany back then 17:59:21 <fjb> But throwing nuclear bombs wasn't a good idea back then either. 18:00:00 <Eddi|zuHause> until they realized that they couldn't feed 80 million people on that level of technology 18:00:24 <frosch123> hmm, i forgot... did us also enter ww1? or was ww2 the first one "abroad"? 18:00:44 <fjb> They did. 18:01:21 <Eddi|zuHause> they did, but rather late 18:01:41 <Eddi|zuHause> US was rather isolationist before that 18:02:22 <Eddi|zuHause> until they started with this "league of nations" idea 18:04:21 <Eddi|zuHause> before that, they only had issues with themselves and neighbouring countries 18:04:30 <Eddi|zuHause> namely mexico and canada 18:05:39 <Eddi|zuHause> in the war against mexico they got texas, and in the war against canada they didn't accomplish much, except for getting the white house burned down 18:06:03 <Eddi|zuHause> burnt? 18:06:25 <fjb> That's something, isn't it? 18:26:43 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6A4CA.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:28:54 <Supercheese> there was the whole Monroe Doctrine though 18:29:08 <Supercheese> not very isolationist really 18:30:31 <Eddi|zuHause> that was more like "if they step in our backyard"? 18:31:33 <argoneus> is there a major difference between AV8 and AV9? 18:31:37 <argoneus> the airplane newgrf 18:31:48 <Eddi|zuHause> probably 18:31:54 <argoneus> t-thanks 18:33:15 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:33:48 *** Tirili [~chatzilla@kel30.kel.studentenwerk-goettingen.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:34:27 <Supercheese> Av9 has a smaller roster 18:34:39 <Supercheese> SE strikes again 18:36:08 <Eddi|zuHause> with the difference that airplanes really don't have a lot of ways to be different 18:43:40 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has left #openttd [] 18:43:57 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 18:55:53 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-1-147.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 18:58:59 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 19:00:55 *** luaduck_zzz [~luaduck@0001c465.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 19:01:07 *** luaduck_zzz is now known as luaduck 19:02:12 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 19:02:13 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:08:36 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:27:26 *** luaduck [~luaduck@0001c465.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:37:40 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.26.55] has quit [] 19:38:33 <argoneus> if I have a nice map in singleplayer 19:38:38 <argoneus> is there a way to transfer that map into multiplayer? 19:38:46 <argoneus> like, not the save 19:38:48 <argoneus> just the layout etc 19:42:12 <frosch123> you can load the save in multiplayer 19:42:31 <frosch123> if it is a generated map you can type "restart" in console, to start the same map again 19:42:58 <frosch123> finally, you can also save as heightmap, to only take the same landscape shape, but add other newgrfs 19:54:34 <argoneus> oh 19:54:39 <argoneus> is there an easy way to load heightmaps with dediserv? 19:55:23 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 19:56:26 <Eddi|zuHause> it's probably easier to transfer a savegame 19:56:39 <Eddi|zuHause> otherwise, openttd -h 20:10:36 *** ToBeFree [ToBeFree@00019d36.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:13:36 *** luaduck_zzz [~luaduck@host86-132-158-2.range86-132.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:14:05 *** luaduck_zzz is now known as luaduck 20:25:25 *** ToBeFree [ToBeFree@00019d36.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 20:29:17 <argoneus> so basically 20:29:22 <argoneus> I make heightmap and savegame from it on my pc 20:29:25 <argoneus> and then transfer to server 20:29:58 <frosch123> transfering a save from a gui client to the server is generally the easiest method for configuring a game 20:30:31 <argoneus> oh, right 20:30:36 <argoneus> the savegame carries serverside settings, right? 20:30:48 <frosch123> yes, all settings and add-ons 20:31:12 <frosch123> (that is: md5sum references to the add-ons) 20:31:19 <frosch123> (not the add-ons themself) 20:31:51 <argoneus> if I load a savegame in 1960 with starting in 1950 20:31:54 <argoneus> and type restart into the console 20:31:59 <argoneus> it will go back to 1950 or back to the savefile? 20:32:28 <frosch123> "restart" means regenerating the map with the same settings 20:32:33 <argoneus> oh, nice 20:32:52 <argoneus> time to make a nice heightmap 20:32:56 <frosch123> as long as the map generation (i.e. major ottd versions) did not change, the map will be the same 20:33:11 <frosch123> "restart" only works for generated maps, not for heightmaps 20:33:18 <argoneus> well 20:33:18 <frosch123> heightmaps you have to load as heightmaps :) 20:33:24 <argoneus> wait 20:33:29 <argoneus> I can't save a heightmap as a savegame 20:33:31 <argoneus> and laod that normally? 20:33:32 <argoneus> load* 20:33:45 <frosch123> sure, but you cannot use "restart" on that save 20:33:51 <argoneus> oh 20:33:53 <frosch123> insteadof you have to reload the original save 20:34:36 *** Yotson [~Yotson@2001:980:6ac8:1:8811:9f92:300a:b295] has quit [Quit: .] 20:38:46 *** Celestar [~Celestar@p4FD6E959.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:41:26 *** FLHerne [~flh@85.255.234.219] has joined #openttd 20:47:01 *** Celestar [~Celestar@p4FD6E959.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:51:02 *** Koronis [~koronis@p5DDD811B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:51:20 *** argoneus [~argoneus@5.231.54.250] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:55:53 <DorpsGek> Commit by fonsinchen :: r26917 trunk/src/economy.cpp (2014-09-24 20:55:47 UTC) 20:55:54 <DorpsGek> -Revert (r26857): It broke improved loading. 20:56:11 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B524.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:56:58 <DorpsGek> Commit by fonsinchen :: r26918 trunk/src/economy.cpp (2014-09-24 20:56:52 UTC) 20:56:59 <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#6110]: Reserve cargo only after unloading finished or if the vehicle has the desired cargo already 20:59:08 *** Progman_ [~progman@p57A198C0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:04:30 *** liq3 [~liq3@CPE-120-147-178-81.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 21:04:41 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B524.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:04:54 *** Progman_ is now known as Progman 21:07:29 <andythenorth> bed bed bed 21:07:30 <andythenorth> bye 21:07:33 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 21:08:34 <Wolf01> me too 21:08:37 <Wolf01> 'night 21:08:44 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:10:55 *** Tirili [~chatzilla@kel30.kel.studentenwerk-goettingen.de] has joined #openttd 21:11:01 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@46-239-219-51.tal.is] has joined #openttd 21:11:34 *** FLHerne_ [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:12:56 *** Jomann [~abchirk@p57A0952D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:16:06 *** FLHerne [~flh@85.255.234.219] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:18:05 *** beest [~bem@c-69-180-240-128.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:32:31 *** argoneus [~argoneus@argoneus.com] has joined #openttd 21:39:36 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:42:34 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 21:54:24 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:01:23 <argoneus> is there a way to mass download all required content? 22:01:33 <argoneus> like if I make a savegame on my computer, and then try loading it with dedi, but it needs some newgrf 22:01:36 <argoneus> do I need to get those one by one? 22:02:30 <glx> dedicated server refuses to load if there's missing grf IIRC 22:04:00 <argoneus> so I need to manually download them one by one? 22:04:20 <glx> you can just transfer them from your local machine :) 22:04:38 <glx> like you do for config and savegame 22:04:57 <argoneus> oh, right 22:08:06 <frosch123> night 22:08:09 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d01d69b.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 22:08:44 *** Progman [~progman@p57A198C0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:18:16 *** Koronis [~koronis@p5DDD811B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 22:21:33 <argoneus> this is weird 22:21:36 <argoneus> I just loaded a savefile 22:21:38 <argoneus> wrote restart 22:21:41 <argoneus> but the map is different 22:21:52 <argoneus> wtf? 22:25:25 <planetmaker> different OpenTTD version 22:26:16 *** luaduck [~luaduck@0001c465.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: ZNC gives me a nerd boner.] 22:26:22 <planetmaker> restarts tells it to re-use the settings and the random seed. Results will be different, if the algorithm differs. That might be different, if OpenTTD is changed 22:26:32 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 22:27:13 <argoneus> but the version is same 22:27:16 <argoneus> one is windows one is linux though 22:27:29 <glx> same settings ? 22:27:39 <argoneus> I thought those were in save? 22:28:50 *** luaduck [~luaduck@host86-132-158-2.range86-132.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 22:29:50 <argoneus> I'll try with identical settings tomorrow 22:29:53 <argoneus> I have to go now, nn and thanks 22:32:58 <argoneus> but yeah 22:33:13 <argoneus> I am using 1.4.3 on windows and linux, with same newgrfs and same terrain generation settings 22:33:18 <argoneus> not sure what else influences it 22:33:20 <argoneus> gnight 22:35:06 <Sylf> if you tried to load a save game on dedicated server but the game looks different, it means the server failed to load the game 22:35:11 <Sylf> possible because of missing newgrf 22:46:01 *** FLHerne_ [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:51:54 *** Hazzard [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 23:10:39 *** luaduck is now known as luaduck_zzz 23:23:03 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has joined #openttd 23:27:34 <Eddi|zuHause> really i advise you to do all this on the client, and then transfer the savegame to the server when you've confirmed it's done properly 23:29:20 <Eddi|zuHause> also, the version must be the same as the one that originally started the savegame, not necessarily the one you played it with 23:39:23 *** Hazzard [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:54:00 *** Tirili [~chatzilla@kel30.kel.studentenwerk-goettingen.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [SeaMonkey 2.29/20140909085502]] 23:54:31 *** efess [~Efess@c-24-61-64-170.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]