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00:16:47 *** DanMacK [~63f912e8@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:34:12 *** MJP [~mjp@hq.z77.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:34:34 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:58:33 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:09:33 *** SHOTbyGUN [shotbygun@213-186-253-83.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 01:15:02 *** liq3 [~liq3@120.147.178.81] has joined #openttd 01:22:32 <SHOTbyGUN> seems like the recommendation is many small trains, but I like loong trains more... but that causes all cargo to dissappear :( any tips? 01:24:08 *** luaduck is now known as luaduck_zzz 01:39:08 <Eddi|zuHause> have a truck go in circles to keep the station rating up 01:40:13 <Eddi|zuHause> or use FIRS with the switch to keep station rating independent from service frequency 02:07:47 <SHOTbyGUN> <Eddi|zuHause> thanks! I have FIRS in use, but I didint realize to check parameters. I suppose I need new game to enable it :o 02:31:33 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 02:32:35 <SHOTbyGUN> I find it hard to describe how good game this is 02:35:44 <SHOTbyGUN> its like railway simulator and Simcity are like rotten fruits... and OpenTTD is like holy pie 02:50:41 <SHOTbyGUN> but the game default settings are horrible... it have taken 2 days ... just editing advanced settins and finding fixes to issues like above... eg. why train acceleration is not realistic by default..etc... 02:53:18 <SHOTbyGUN> and bigges issue is font size / icon size... took some time to google fixes to that... (edit config file manually + install bigIcons modfix) ... but after that is been said, its best tycoon/simulation game ever existed 03:12:24 *** Pereba [~UserNick@179.178.243.218] has quit [Quit: The ministry of health warns: using AdiIRC is very addictive! [www.adiirc.com]] 03:35:26 *** Haube [~michi@ip25048c11.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:17:32 <SHOTbyGUN> <Eddi|zuHause> thanks again, now it works as it should :) 04:30:55 *** Hazzard_ [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 04:35:19 *** moffi [~moffi@dsdf-4db5eb94.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 04:37:39 *** Hazzard [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:37:51 *** Hazzard_ is now known as Hazzard 04:46:39 *** moffi [~moffi@dsdf-4db5eb94.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 04:56:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC66BC3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 05:01:30 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has joined #openttd 05:07:58 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD5BE6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 05:15:10 *** Hazzard_ [~Hazzard@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 05:29:52 *** Hazzard__ [~Hazzard@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 05:31:57 *** Hazzard__ [~Hazzard@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:32:19 *** Hazzard__ [~Hazzard@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 05:33:01 *** Hazzard_ [~Hazzard@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:39:09 *** Hazzard [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:45:21 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has quit [] 06:04:28 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 06:04:34 <andythenorth> oops 06:05:19 *** Hazzard__ [~Hazzard@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:08:00 *** sla_ro|laptop [~sla.ro@89.121.131.100] has joined #openttd 06:21:23 *** Celestar [~Celestar@ip-109-43-3-108.web.vodafone.de] has joined #openttd 06:39:26 *** TomyLobo [~foo@91.65.115.103] has joined #openttd 06:44:20 <Celestar> mowning 06:45:33 *** jrambo [~jrambo@178-222-64-223.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined #openttd 06:46:57 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 06:51:22 *** Yotson [~Yotson@2001:980:6ac8:1:db1:8f4f:5934:5b21] has joined #openttd 06:53:33 *** sla_ro|laptop [~sla.ro@89.121.131.100] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:55:12 *** sla_ro|laptop [~sla.ro@89.121.131.100] has joined #openttd 07:05:20 *** Celestar [~Celestar@ip-109-43-3-108.web.vodafone.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:05:34 *** TomyLobo [~foo@91.65.115.103] has quit [Quit: Standby mode...] 07:36:05 <peter1138> hi 07:36:52 <andythenorth> moin 07:38:38 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:43:47 *** Celestar [~Celestar@mnch-5d86f05b.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 07:44:04 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 07:52:29 <planetmaker> moin moin 07:55:31 *** sla_ro|laptop [~sla.ro@89.121.131.100] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:10:53 <peter1138> "If I cannot have a single complete range or two of GRFIDs for my own personal and exclusive use without interference, then there is no purpose for me to continue GRF development for OpenTTD." 08:10:57 <peter1138> uh huh 08:11:10 <andythenorth> fortunately a locked thread 08:11:14 <V453000> GG 08:11:18 <andythenorth> I am trying hard to say nothing else 08:11:45 <V453000> was there some recent drama I missed? 08:12:06 <andythenorth> I intended to change Iron Horse grfid, and I forgot before 1.0.0 release 08:12:09 <andythenorth> is all 08:12:38 <V453000> XD 08:12:56 <andythenorth> now christmas is cancelled :( 08:14:00 *** Jomann [~abchirk@p57A09146.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 08:14:35 <V453000> nice post 08:14:35 <V453000> I like it 08:14:44 <V453000> I miss him very much already 08:14:51 <peter1138> all GRF development for OpenTTD has been terminated 08:14:57 <peter1138> ^^ andythenorth, you better stop 08:15:03 <andythenorth> I fucking might 08:15:56 <V453000> XD 08:16:02 <V453000> do I have to as well? 08:16:08 <V453000> or is 32bpp allowed? 08:16:31 <andythenorth> you can fuck off 08:16:36 <V453000> o 08:16:39 <V453000> well then 08:16:53 <V453000> btw who closed the thread I want discussion to happen 08:17:20 <andythenorth> not useful 08:17:23 <andythenorth> better locked 08:17:40 <V453000> I didnt say I want useful discussion? :P 08:18:05 <andythenorth> oztrans is a complete twat 08:18:14 <andythenorth> I have defended him every time people here want to lay into him 08:18:27 <andythenorth> because Canadian grfs are good, and we should be able to have more than one approach to newgrfs 08:18:40 <andythenorth> I genuinely forgot to change the grfid on Iron Horse 08:18:57 <andythenorth> and now I get this shit storm laid on my name, with character assassination to boot 08:19:11 <andythenorth> he is a complete fucking tool 08:20:08 <andythenorth> but I am trying not to comment :P 08:22:31 <peter1138> http://wiki.openttd.org/?title=NewGRF_List&diff=85147&oldid=85146 08:24:05 <andythenorth> my children have smaller tantrums 08:24:13 <andythenorth> even I have smaller tantrums 08:24:30 <andythenorth> although I did go on a repo-deleting spree after falling out with planetmaker (not planetmakerâs fault) 08:25:05 <V453000> XD 08:25:37 <V453000> I like the no longer available 08:25:48 <V453000> lets see how long will it take till we hear from him again 08:25:49 *** Pikka [~Octomom@d58-106-46-133.rdl801.qld.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 08:26:06 <andythenorth> lo bob 08:26:11 <Pikka> sup jim 08:26:16 <V453000> ho 08:26:24 <Pikka> same to you 08:27:00 <andythenorth> trucks after 1990 08:27:07 <andythenorth> just more power, or some fake futurisms? 08:27:15 <peter1138> Space: 1999 08:27:38 <Pikka> more brown power 08:28:03 <Pikka> I don't know, I think I'm making my last generation of trucks vaguely futurisms, but they're not until the 20s or 30s I think 08:28:06 <V453000> railRVhorses 08:28:11 <Pikka> and the futurisms is merely in appearance 08:28:57 <andythenorth> mecha? https://www.flickr.com/photos/kwi-chang/sets/72157626004040030/ 08:29:14 <V453000> perfect 08:29:15 <V453000> make it animate 08:29:56 <andythenorth> how do we animate? 08:30:04 <andythenorth> I have to put the horsies into Iron Horse 08:30:05 <peter1138> gif 08:30:08 <andythenorth> ok 08:30:15 <andythenorth> does nml support gif? o_O 08:30:27 <Pikka> sure 08:33:36 <Pikka> what's the point of a mecha on rollerskates? ground clearance? 08:34:15 <andythenorth> looks leet 08:34:36 <andythenorth> quadcopters? 08:34:39 <andythenorth> dogbots? 08:35:37 <Pikka> wing-in-road flying trucks 08:35:59 <andythenorth> nice idea 08:36:25 <andythenorth> also 08:36:27 <andythenorth> je vais 08:36:33 <andythenorth> travais 08:36:46 <andythenorth> travaux? 08:36:47 <andythenorth> dunno 08:36:53 <andythenorth> beebel 08:36:55 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 08:46:05 *** abchirk [~abchirk@p57A09146.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 08:46:06 *** Jomann [~abchirk@p57A09146.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:48:49 <V453000> nml supports gif animation? :D 08:49:03 <Pikka> I'm guessing no? 08:49:07 <V453000> I thought you simply feed nml the separate frames 08:49:10 <V453000> that is what yeti does at least 08:49:50 * peter1138 hands V453000 a 32 bpp animated gif. 08:49:55 <Pikka> gif animation doesn't support 32bpp, yes :) 08:50:02 <V453000> that doesnt matter 08:50:14 <V453000> colour settings can be whatever 08:50:23 <V453000> yeti also has 8bpp animation ... not visually, but coded 08:51:59 <peter1138> Doesn't matter, it was a joke :D 08:52:06 <V453000> fines :) 08:54:45 *** andythenorth [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has joined #openttd 08:56:00 <peter1138> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zg79C7XM1Xs 08:56:06 <peter1138> what 08:58:14 <Pikka> clearly java is fun and hip 09:05:27 <planetmaker> woot woot? 09:05:43 <planetmaker> I see it's nearly popcorn time again 09:09:14 <peter1138> ? 09:16:20 <planetmaker> I was referring to the discussion here 45minutes ago :) 09:22:35 <Pikka> nothing to see 09:28:37 <Pikka> good job that thread got locked, though :) so discussion is limited to the secret anti-OzTrans cabals on IRC and in the moderator forum... 09:28:49 * Pikka must to dins, bbl 09:30:11 *** Pikka [~Octomom@d58-106-46-133.rdl801.qld.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:43:03 <__ln__> http://orihoch.uumpa.com/jsonxml/ 09:52:07 <peter1138> :S 09:53:21 *** MJP [~mjp@hq.z77.fr] has joined #openttd 10:04:32 *** APTX [~APTX@aptx.org] has joined #openttd 10:07:14 *** APTX_ [~APTX@aptx.org] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 10:45:11 <Celestar> yo peter1138 10:49:14 <peter1138> sir celestar 10:52:40 <Celestar> how is life? 10:56:01 <Eddi|zuHause> living. 11:01:30 <peter1138> Heeeeeeeeeee's mister know-it-all 11:03:48 <peter1138> misstra, i know ;p 11:07:15 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@46-239-219-51.tal.is] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 11:13:46 *** Pikka [~Octomom@d58-106-46-133.rdl801.qld.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:17:39 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@46-239-219-51.tal.is] has joined #openttd 11:19:08 <Eddi|zuHause> i have no clue what that means 11:24:58 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has joined #openttd 11:35:31 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.ibash.de/zitat_58098.html 11:37:59 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@88.130.186.42] has joined #openttd 11:54:23 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-72-94-147-76.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:54:38 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-72-94-147-76.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 12:02:18 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@46-239-219-51.tal.is] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:03:47 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@vpnx139.nemendur.hi.is] has joined #openttd 12:18:13 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 12:24:31 *** andythenorth [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 12:24:40 *** luaduck_zzz is now known as luaduck 12:44:38 <fjb> Moin 12:55:59 *** shansen [~shansen@212.17.41.140] has joined #openttd 13:06:47 <Pikka> moin peeps 13:21:40 *** abchirk [~abchirk@p57A09146.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:22:18 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220149.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 13:24:05 *** andythenorth [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has joined #openttd 13:27:06 *** shansen [~shansen@212.17.41.140] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzzâŠ] 13:35:24 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: so would VF_CARGO_UNLOADING enable dump trucks? o_O 13:35:40 <peter1138> animation states! 13:35:43 * andythenorth gravedug that 13:39:00 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: i'm sure i discussed that at some point, but i don't remember any of that 13:39:19 <andythenorth> was hungarian truck set 13:40:56 <Eddi|zuHause> there was probably something in there about the flag not being exposed to newgrf 13:41:50 <Eddi|zuHause> but in theory it needs the same flag that is used to put the ^ and v arrows next to the vehicles 13:43:00 <andythenorth> nothing in 80+ 13:54:42 <peter1138> why does the one-way roads button not bip? 13:55:21 <Eddi|zuHause> you broke it? 14:22:57 *** Celestar [~Celestar@mnch-5d86f05b.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:56:12 <Pikka> where's DanMacK when you need him? 15:03:33 <V453000> yetis ate him 15:14:08 <andythenorth> heâs in Canadia 15:15:37 <planetmaker> aren't yetis known to roam also there? Or is it only in the Himalaya? 15:16:20 <andythenorth> yetis are scientifically limited to Himalaya 15:20:09 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 15:20:12 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 15:22:07 <Pikka> I need three more electric locomotives for NARS, because of a slightly obsessive need for round numbers 15:22:39 <andythenorth> yes 15:22:45 <andythenorth> hang on Iâll send you some 15:22:50 <andythenorth> what are you doing, also? 15:22:55 <andythenorth> NARS is done :P 15:22:58 <Pikka> makin' a list 15:22:58 <andythenorth> NARS 3? 15:23:07 <Pikka> checking it twice 15:23:13 <andythenorth> which ones do you have? 15:23:20 <andythenorth> the correct number is 8 or 10 btw 15:23:21 <Pikka> making an update for NARS with the BAD FEATURES removed 15:23:29 <andythenorth> listy? 15:23:32 <Pikka> let's call it the OzTrans memorial edition 15:23:38 <Pikka> yes, the correct number is 10 15:23:44 <Pikka> I have 20 steam locos and 30 diesels, you see 15:24:15 <Pikka> I have nothing betwen the GG1 in 1934 and the E60C in 1972 15:24:31 <Pikka> I think that's where I can slot in three more... little joe is one. so two more. 15:24:32 <andythenorth> what do you have overall? 15:24:51 <andythenorth> before I go replicating :P 15:24:59 <Pikka> 3 early steeplecabs and boxcabs, GG1, E60C AEM-7 and GF6C 15:25:01 <andythenorth> I have replicated quite enough thanks 15:25:12 <Alberth> o/ 15:25:39 <andythenorth> got an FL9? 15:25:46 <andythenorth> last ones just got scrapped I think 15:25:51 <andythenorth> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMD_FL9 15:25:58 <andythenorth> 1956 15:26:05 <Pikka> yebbut 15:26:11 <Pikka> 3rd rail electodiesel 15:26:21 <andythenorth> meh 15:26:21 <Pikka> not really suitable for porpoises :) 15:26:29 * andythenorth has been ignoring that sort of realisms 15:26:40 <Pikka> yes, but this is NARS, the home of realisms 15:26:59 <andythenorth> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GN_W-1 15:27:00 <andythenorth> ? 15:27:02 <andythenorth> 1947 15:27:17 <peter1138> I'm gonna play UKRS2 with liveries, YEAH 15:27:27 <andythenorth> no photos 15:27:29 <Pikka> yeah, I think we talked about those ones 15:27:40 <Pikka> I wonder if there's another canadistani one... 15:27:48 <andythenorth> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VGN_EL-C 15:27:49 <andythenorth> ? 15:27:55 <Pikka> oh 15:27:57 <andythenorth> looks a bit like an E33 15:28:06 <Pikka> GE W1 is already statted in the old list \o/ 15:28:13 <andythenorth> oh they became E33 :P 15:28:17 <andythenorth> do the E33 15:28:24 <andythenorth> US set has one 15:28:30 <Pikka> sounds like a plan 15:28:31 <andythenorth> 1955 15:29:07 <andythenorth> E44? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRR_E44 15:29:10 <andythenorth> 1960 15:29:43 <Pikka> hmm 15:29:56 <Pikka> suppose I ought to put in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amtrak_Cities_Sprinter 15:30:05 <andythenorth> have you got a meatball? 15:30:08 <Pikka> it will be the last loco introduced, I'm taking out all the futurisms :) 15:30:08 <Alberth> nice black blocky engine :) 15:30:11 <Pikka> I do have a meatball 15:31:01 <andythenorth> what are those ones on the deseret railroad? 15:31:17 <Pikka> E60C? 15:31:20 <andythenorth> yeah 15:31:29 <andythenorth> got them 15:31:34 <Pikka> si 15:32:06 <andythenorth> hoho 15:32:07 <andythenorth> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GMD_SW1200MG 15:32:09 <andythenorth> electric switcher 15:32:23 <andythenorth> http://documents.epfl.ch/users/a/al/allenbac/www/documents/Fich0299.pdf 15:32:29 <Pikka> okay, so 15:32:41 <Pikka> I needed 3 more electrics, and I've got 7. thanks :/ 15:32:46 <andythenorth> there you go 15:32:49 <andythenorth> all realisms covered 15:33:21 <andythenorth> E33, SW1200MG, Cities Sprinter 15:33:31 <andythenorth> you can âupgradeâ the E33 to E44 after 10 years :P 15:33:53 <Pikka> of course I can 15:34:10 <andythenorth> are you keeping that BAD FEATURE? 15:34:16 <Pikka> I am not 15:34:17 <andythenorth> set kind of relies on it:P 15:34:47 <Pikka> no upgrading 15:34:49 <Pikka> no regearing 15:34:55 <Pikka> no HEP / dynamo nonsense 15:34:58 <Pikka> no required cabooses 15:35:04 <Pikka> no other consist limitations 15:35:10 <Pikka> no.. running sounds, ho ho. 15:35:29 <Pikka> no different locos in different climates 15:35:51 <Pikka> and I'm sure there are more bad features in NARS I can't remember 15:36:16 <Pikka> oh, no supercomplex running cost rules 15:39:34 * Alberth wonders whether 2cc trains 'regiions' could be interpret as openttd climates 15:42:10 *** DanMacK [~androirc@24.114.74.113] has joined #openttd 15:42:29 <DanMacK> hey all 15:42:54 * DanMacK sees OzTrans is being a douche again... 15:43:33 <Pikka> hi Dan 15:43:45 <Pikka> would you object terribly if I just.. made up the stats for NARS locos? :D 15:44:18 <Pikka> specifically http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VGN_EL-C ? 15:45:39 <peter1138> NARS GamePlay Special Edition 15:46:04 <Pikka> implying that the existing edition doesn't have made-up stats in it ;) 15:46:10 <DanMacK> sure go for it ;) 15:46:32 * Pikka is going to make a final, no-bad-features recode of NARS 15:46:50 <DanMacK> lmao 15:47:01 <Pikka> if there's anything you want to redraw, this is your chance :) also, adding a couple of extra locos to make round numbers :) 15:47:20 <DanMacK> hmmm 15:47:24 <andythenorth> ohai 15:47:46 <Pikka> I'll finish the list and then either PM it or blog it... 15:47:57 <DanMacK> cool 15:48:09 <DanMacK> so e44 too? ;) 15:49:24 <Pikka> nope :D 15:49:34 <Pikka> GMD SW1200MG 15:49:34 <Pikka> , blame andy. 15:49:50 <DanMacK> sweet 15:50:06 <DanMacK> I was thinking of those for the canset actually 15:54:35 *** Pereba [~UserNick@179.177.173.72.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #openttd 15:56:32 *** liq3 [~liq3@120.147.178.81] has quit [] 15:56:39 <Pikka> alright, I have a list. 15:56:56 <Pikka> one sec 15:57:11 <DanMacK> pm... gotta go back to work 15:57:17 <Pikka> seeya 16:02:44 *** TomyLobo [~foo@91.65.115.103] has joined #openttd 16:05:43 *** DanMacK [~androirc@24.114.74.113] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:10:06 *** mist [~mist@c-74fa70d5.034-4-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:23:40 <Pikka> oh 16:23:46 <Pikka> the W1 was in the old NARS all along 16:23:55 <Pikka> oh well 16:24:00 <peter1138> Whatever happened to the patch that didn't require an engine at the front of a train? 16:24:15 <Pikka> you have most of the patches, don't you? 16:25:37 <andythenorth> he lost them 16:25:40 <andythenorth> down the sofa 16:26:13 <andythenorth> :( 16:26:58 <Pikka> ah, push-pull 16:27:03 <Pikka> that's another bad feature to get rid of 16:32:13 <b_jonas> what? a pushmi-pullyu? 16:32:15 <peter1138> imma implement all the features in opettd 16:32:18 <peter1138> and openttd 16:34:26 <andythenorth> nothing wrong with push-pull 16:34:31 <andythenorth> pull-push 16:34:40 <andythenorth> what will happen to your cabbages? 16:34:49 <Pikka> they can stay I suppose 16:35:16 <andythenorth> Iâd pull-push in Iron Horse if I could be fucked to 16:35:22 <Pikka> eh 16:35:24 <andythenorth> itâs harmless 16:35:29 <Pikka> maybe I'll keep it, then 16:35:36 <Pikka> since it's a realisms set 16:35:42 <andythenorth> itâs not an annoying limitation or a boring choice 16:35:44 <andythenorth> also 16:35:53 <andythenorth> you have to have 3 BAD FEATURES per set 16:35:56 <andythenorth> otherwise dull 16:36:08 <andythenorth> keeping Cabeeses? 16:36:35 <Pikka> removing the requirement, I think 16:37:01 <Pikka> people whinge about "having to" remove them 16:38:14 <andythenorth> HEP was genuine BAD FEATURE 16:38:18 <andythenorth> also regearing sadly 16:38:21 <Pikka> yes 16:38:29 <andythenorth> I donât think stats upgrading is worst thing ever 16:38:30 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has joined #openttd 16:38:30 <andythenorth> just faffy 16:38:32 <Pikka> HEP was realisms gone mad 16:38:48 <Pikka> stats upgrading was because of limited IDs in TTDP 16:38:53 <andythenorth> I thought Iâd found a bug when I saw HEP 16:39:00 <Pikka> so did everyone 16:39:14 <andythenorth> you should keep some BAD FEATURES 16:39:16 <andythenorth> or add new ones 16:39:33 <andythenorth> I never figured out how to work the alternative liveries btw 16:41:24 <Pikka> I'm getting rid of those, too. I'll use the best one for each vehicle 16:43:51 <Pikka> it was based on companyid.. really a feature for multiplayer. but who cares about different patterns on different companies, if you have different colours anyway? 16:44:04 <Pikka> http://i.imgur.com/0vHA6bN.png 16:44:21 <Pikka> 70 locos. 20 steam, 30 diesel, 10 electric, 5 each DMU and EMU. 16:44:26 *** TomyLobo [~foo@91.65.115.103] has quit [Quit: Standby mode...] 16:45:03 <V453000> just randomizing the sprites on a train is AMAZING Pikka imo :) 16:45:07 <Pikka> the pinkyorange columns are for half-size vehicle list options, one temperate-like express passenger oriented, one tropic-like heavy freight oriented 16:45:09 <V453000> slight differences, same engine, moar visual variety 16:45:19 <V453000> for 1 company obviously :P 16:45:30 <Pikka> can be confusing to players if they're too random, though. 16:45:42 <Pikka> if they build a train and it doesn't look like the buy list 16:45:43 <V453000> sure :) 16:45:57 <Alberth> would adding a start year parameter make sense? 16:45:59 <V453000> the "slight" differences was meant that way (: 16:46:01 *** TomyLobo [~foo@91.65.115.103] has joined #openttd 16:46:25 <Pikka> a start year parameter? 16:46:35 <Alberth> ie shift everything to the provided start year 16:47:11 <Alberth> probably not if you assume you're the only set being used 16:47:22 <V453000> I was actually considering making a parameter which would make the game like that patched daylength 16:47:30 <Pikka> I can't see how it makes sense anyway :) 16:47:55 <V453000> just shifting things isnt really doing much indeed 16:48:02 <Alberth> eg FIRS has other start year than your set 16:48:21 <Alberth> (no idea if that's really the case) 16:48:28 <V453000> just cause andythenorth doesnt understand nobody cares about furnaces :P 16:49:31 <andythenorth> ? o_O 16:49:54 <V453000> year dependent availability of industries is meh :P 16:51:03 <andythenorth> you think? 16:51:11 <andythenorth> I think it works so well :P 16:51:20 <andythenorth> what with reliable industry opening and such 16:51:30 <Alberth> ships newgrf also have start dates that may be different 16:52:11 <Pikka> ops 16:52:21 <Pikka> I broke the ACS-64 stats 16:53:32 <V453000> Alberth: mixing vehicle sets usually means they are incomplete and thus not self-sufficient anyway :P 16:54:09 <Pinkbeast> I appreciate industry opening dates; it forestalls the point where the whole map is hooked up and there's nothing to do. 16:55:02 <V453000> or just nothing to do because the next industry hasnt arrived yet? :D 16:56:02 <Alberth> V453000: of course, and that's good probably 16:56:18 <Alberth> nuts for trains, squid for ships 16:58:41 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:59:56 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:59:59 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 17:06:23 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:28:26 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d01129d.pool.mediaways.net] has joined #openttd 17:29:54 <Alberth> quak 17:30:05 <frosch123> hai 17:31:13 <planetmaker> o/ 17:31:13 <frosch123> i wonder whether i should make a new sv release, just for the translations, or whether i should automate the upload of the sv nightly to bananas 17:31:54 *** andythenorth [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 17:31:58 <planetmaker> he. The solution for the latter is rather simple. I wonder whether we should actually implement that :D 17:32:36 <frosch123> well, it only makes sense for projects which have no "unstable" phases 17:33:38 <planetmaker> well, I'd implement it based on a .devzone file which could be added to releases or maybe also to other builds. But I'd not opt (or at least advertise) the latter, I think 17:34:14 <frosch123> well, but how to authenticate? 17:34:28 <planetmaker> like existence of the .devzone/build/releases/publish 17:34:46 <frosch123> we won't transfer ownership of all projects to openttdcoop :p 17:34:58 <planetmaker> I would try to push with the openttdcoop account and its credentials. You would have to use musa once and add it to the permissible upload 'persons' 17:35:07 <planetmaker> oh :( :P 17:35:21 <frosch123> ah, so that is actually possible? 17:35:32 <frosch123> i wouldn't know whether multiple people can upload the same thing 17:35:38 <planetmaker> that's my understanding, yes. Musa allows to assign several authors which hence would have access 17:36:37 <Alberth> how many of those projects exist? 17:37:13 <planetmaker> I don't really know :) A few. But every project can be uploaded by means of musa and thus add new authors 17:37:14 <frosch123> well, most projects only get into that "stable" phase, when the author leaves :p 17:37:14 <Alberth> (unless 1 such project is sufficient of course :) ) 17:37:47 <frosch123> i think a local script is good enough 17:37:50 <planetmaker> Alberth, by default I'd only use that for releases, thus if it's a tagged version. Thus no daily upload 17:37:54 <frosch123> i don't think it needs devzone support 17:38:07 <frosch123> it's easier to decide the "stable" thing then 17:38:14 <planetmaker> I might still do that. Just for the sake of my own lazyness 17:38:40 *** heffer [quassel@hyperion.fk.cx] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:38:42 <Alberth> ha, always busy trying to be lazy :p 17:38:47 * Alberth does that too :) 17:38:49 <planetmaker> got me ;) 17:39:07 <frosch123> ofc if can shovel the work onto pm, that's even better :p 17:39:13 <planetmaker> :D 17:40:13 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:40:55 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 17:41:17 <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/6824 @ frosch123 ;) 17:41:21 *** dxtr [cf8743c4@cubox.dxtr.ninja] has quit [Quit: .] 17:41:52 <Alberth> :D 17:41:53 *** dxtr [6339b380@cubox.dxtr.ninja] has joined #openttd 17:42:07 *** shansen [~shansen@212.17.41.140] has joined #openttd 17:42:27 <planetmaker> 7 months and no further work... lazy lazy... I was discouraged back then to do so :P 17:42:53 <frosch123> :) 17:45:30 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r26936 trunk/src/lang/spanish.txt (2014-09-29 17:45:23 UTC) 17:45:31 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:32 <DorpsGek> spanish - 1 changes by SilverSurferZzZ 17:53:03 *** ccfreak2k [~ccfreak2k@hephaestus.untrust.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:56:23 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:56:53 *** FLHerne [~flh@212.183.128.103] has joined #openttd 17:58:15 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 18:00:01 *** shansen [~shansen@212.17.41.140] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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ZZZzzzâŠ] 18:53:56 <frosch123> why are so many people in the lomo forum? 18:54:15 <andythenorth> accident 18:55:37 *** Celestar [~Celestar@p4FD6EA45.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:57:44 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:57:47 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 18:59:19 *** shirish [~quassel@117.195.126.68] has joined #openttd 19:00:29 <peter1138> Maybe it has Canadian graphics? 19:02:26 <andythenorth> o_O 19:03:53 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-122-225.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:04:08 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r26938 trunk/src/tgp.cpp (2014-09-29 19:04:02 UTC) 19:04:09 <DorpsGek> -Codechange: simplify RandomHeight significantly 19:04:40 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r26939 trunk/src/tgp.cpp (2014-09-29 19:04:34 UTC) 19:04:41 <DorpsGek> -Cleanup: some bits of coding style cleanup for TGP 19:21:17 *** arroyoc [~Thunderbi@50.pool85-57-216.dynamic.orange.es] has joined #openttd 19:22:02 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r26940 trunk/src/tgp.cpp (2014-09-29 19:21:55 UTC) 19:22:03 <DorpsGek> -Fix (r26937): comparing values of different signedness 19:22:39 *** arroyoc [~Thunderbi@50.pool85-57-216.dynamic.orange.es] has quit [] 19:23:49 * fjb ist getting strange phone calls in the evening. :( 19:24:39 <planetmaker> strange or advertising? 19:25:30 <fjb> Strange. Nobody speaking, only silent breathing. 19:26:36 <planetmaker> :S 19:27:10 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:27:38 <fjb> Then the phone gets hung up after a few minutes. 19:28:18 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 19:28:57 <fjb> It's usually at the landline phone, but was also at my cell phone one time I wasn't at home. 19:30:04 <planetmaker> strange. Suppressed number or do you know it? 19:30:18 <fjb> Suppressed number, ofcourse. 19:31:02 <fjb> And again... 19:31:23 <Celestar> ask your phone provider for assistance? 19:32:13 <planetmaker> yeah ^ 19:32:35 <fjb> It is the first time I'm getting two calls at one evening. 19:32:45 <__ln__> can they act without orders from the police? 19:32:51 <planetmaker> and of course you shouldn't have sent away the cashier of the local mafia without payment 19:34:36 <planetmaker> __ln__, I would expect so. It's your phone line, so it's a valid request to ask them to not allow calls from certain numbers 19:34:55 <planetmaker> they might know it after all (but not tell you the number) 19:35:49 <fjb> I don't think they are allowed to tell me the number. but myay be they can block it. 19:36:15 <planetmaker> yup, that's what I mean 19:36:31 <planetmaker> but of course you could also or additionally go to police 19:36:53 <planetmaker> and file a complaint for harrassment or however that's called 19:37:31 <Celestar> yo planetmaker 19:42:44 *** shansen [~shansen@212.17.41.140] has joined #openttd 19:49:27 *** Yotson [~Yotson@2001:980:6ac8:1:db1:8f4f:5934:5b21] has quit [Quit: .] 19:50:22 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has quit [] 19:52:17 <fjb> Talked to my phone provider. they offered my a security package, with a monthly fee, that would have enabled me to block every incoming phone call which has a suppressed number. Not very helpful. 19:53:19 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d01129d.pool.mediaways.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 19:57:00 <Celestar> :/ 19:57:16 <planetmaker> you don't happen to have IP telephone or so? It seems I could configure that myself: http://devs.openttd.org/~planetmaker/patches/block_phone.png 20:00:28 <fjb> No, plain old (and usually very good) ISDN. 20:01:35 <__ln__> the obvious problem is that that way also all other suppressed numbers would be blocked too. 20:01:36 <fjb> I could block all calls with suppressed number from within my phone. but I have some relatives who always suppress their number. 20:02:01 <planetmaker> __ln__, yes, it would. But for me personally that would be likely only a minor annoyance 20:02:04 <fjb> __ln__: That is the problem. 20:06:09 <__ln__> planetmaker: in some unexpected situations that could be a problem, and you wouldn't want to miss the unexpected calls. 20:06:44 <planetmaker> maybe 20:07:30 <__ln__> for instance, at least over here, if i call the police (112), and a policeman calls me back on a cell phone to ask for details, they'll be calling from a suppressed number. 20:08:10 <fjb> Hm, I should get a sine or noise generator and increase the volume till the other side says something or hangs up. 20:08:25 <planetmaker> vuvuzela 20:08:36 <fjb> Oh, no. 20:09:04 <__ln__> one should always have a vuvuzela around 20:09:35 <planetmaker> a vuvuzela a day keeps the people away :P 20:15:08 <FLHerne> "If you or your working area are struck with a nerf disc, blow your vuvuzela." 20:15:14 <fjb> Yes, all people... 20:17:19 *** Jomann [~abchirk@p57A09146.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:31:47 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 20:43:08 <Wolf01> 'night 20:43:12 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 20:43:54 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has quit [] 20:45:41 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 20:50:20 *** Celestar [~Celestar@p4FD6EA45.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:18:30 *** shansen [~shansen@212.17.41.140] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzzâŠ] 21:18:47 *** Tirili [~chatzilla@kel30.kel.studentenwerk-goettingen.de] has joined #openttd 21:20:20 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 21:20:51 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B6C9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:21:33 *** shansen [~shansen@212.17.41.140] has joined #openttd 21:33:31 *** Tirili [~chatzilla@kel30.kel.studentenwerk-goettingen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:37:52 <peter1138> Whatever happened to diagonal level crossings... 21:38:09 <Pikka> a dingo ate them 21:38:53 *** Defaultti [defaultti@lakka.kapsi.fi] has quit [Quit: Quitting.] 21:41:35 <peter1138> Also, I wish I could reroute rivers. Which idiot decided that rivers couldn't be made in-game? 21:41:52 <planetmaker> peter1138, you should ask Eddi|zuHause about those diagonal crossings 21:42:12 <Eddi|zuHause> they work, they just don't have graphics 21:42:55 <planetmaker> and ingame river building... yes... for 10x price of canals I'm for that. For 5+ years actually. I had that patch but it was rejected back then ;) 21:43:12 <planetmaker> or we should get rivers which heal themselves 21:43:13 <Eddi|zuHause> building canals should be cheaper 21:43:21 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, yes. 10x cheaper 21:43:30 *** Defaultti [defaultti@lakka.kapsi.fi] has joined #openttd 21:43:42 <peter1138> flowing rivers that flood if you cut them off? 21:43:50 <planetmaker> kinda 21:44:30 *** shirish [~quassel@0001358e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:44:34 <planetmaker> the challenge there is to not flood everything :) 21:45:19 <Eddi|zuHause> should they try to re-flood their old route first? what should they destroy? what happens if all directions are uphill? 21:45:52 <planetmaker> and should the downstream part simply dry up? 21:47:28 <Pikka> what's the difference between building a river and building a canal? just the graphics? 21:47:39 <peter1138> yes :S 21:48:21 <peter1138> Anyway, rivers are mostly non-functional, so cutting them off is no bother. 21:48:58 <peter1138> It's easier flatten land than to use rivers for ships, or indeed, easier to not even use ships. 21:49:32 <planetmaker> the functional difference between river and canal is that rivers can be built on (some) slopes 21:49:44 <planetmaker> canals require flat land - or locks 21:50:32 <planetmaker> but that's a tiny difference really in terms of game play effect 21:52:43 <Pikka> rivers on slopes aren't traversable by shippes, right? 21:52:54 <planetmaker> correct 22:07:40 <peter1138> BAD FEATURE! 22:14:10 <Eddi|zuHause> make them traversable, but at 1/10 speed? 22:15:11 <FLHerne> Eddi|zuHause: Ships are no good for speed-critical cargo anyway, and overlapping means it's not a capacity constraint 22:15:16 <peter1138> Not when I add LOCKS 22:15:18 <FLHerne> Goodbye, locks 22:16:11 <Eddi|zuHause> locks don't always fit in all places 22:16:23 <Eddi|zuHause> need ship lifts for multiple heightlevels 22:27:16 *** liq3 [~liq3@120.147.178.81] has joined #openttd 22:33:32 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B6C9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:53:31 <Pikka> whaaaaaaaat 22:54:47 <Pikka> I appear to have achieved -1 trains :D 22:55:23 <Pikka> http://i.imgur.com/bXzPSmO.png 22:55:46 <Pikka> I was building a few test trains in a new game, cleared the depot, and that happened. :D 22:58:39 <Pikka> saving and reloading the game fixed it, so I guess it's not a dig beal :) 22:59:41 <peter1138> Do you have little people and/or big people? 22:59:42 <fjb> If there are 3 trains in a depot and you are deleting 5 you have to buy 2 trains to have an empty depot. :) 23:00:05 <Pikka> probably, peter1138 23:00:23 <Pikka> still have the double-sized buy sprites in pineapple :) 23:09:33 *** Geoff [~oftc-webi@67.219.232.137] has joined #openttd 23:10:16 <Geoff> gentlemen, is there a reason i'd be missing the steel car for trains 23:10:22 <Geoff> as in it's not in the depot list whatsoever 23:10:58 *** TomyLobo [~foo@91.65.115.103] has quit [Quit: Standby mode...] 23:11:59 <Eddi|zuHause> bad combination of NewGRFs 23:14:22 <Geoff> apparently it's opengfx industries 23:14:30 *** fjb is now known as Guest1279 23:14:31 *** fjb [~frank@000158aa.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 23:15:20 <Pikka> no steel cars with the default vehicles except in temperate 23:15:44 <Pikka> if you're using something like opengfx+ trains, you might have cars that can refit to steel though. 23:16:10 <Geoff> no carriages that i can see 23:16:43 <Pikka> might have to get a train newgrf, then :) 23:20:37 *** Jomann [~abchirk@p57A09146.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:21:17 *** Guest1279 [~frank@000158aa.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:39:42 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@88.130.186.42] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:50:31 *** FLHerne_ [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 23:50:31 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]