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Seems I didn't destroy the database then 07:00:47 <planetmaker> what's wrong with eints? 07:06:38 <peter1138> Supercheese, probably ought not use {CHECKMARK} in that cheat window tooltip, as nothing else does. 07:07:16 *** Hazzard [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:08:48 <Supercheese> Aww 07:08:55 <__ln__> i wonder if "N/A" is latin 07:09:14 <Supercheese> "Applicabilis" is in my dictionary 07:09:21 <Supercheese> "Non applicabilis" 07:09:31 <Supercheese> figured it was good enough eh 07:09:44 <__ln__> oh, then it could be. 07:10:36 <Supercheese> checkmark sign removed 07:11:33 <__ln__> "{BLACK}Nomina industriarum - preme in nomen ut center main view on industry." 07:11:39 <Supercheese> aha 07:11:44 <Supercheese> fail copypasta 07:14:07 <Supercheese> fixed 07:14:20 <__ln__> gratias 07:15:46 <Supercheese> eints still doesn't recognize Latin translation access, I think I may need to logoff/logon there too 07:15:51 <Supercheese> but... where is the log out... 07:16:44 <Supercheese> clear cookies I guess 07:18:18 <liq3> V453000: Overflows are very cool. thanks for the tip. 07:19:04 <V453000> you are welcome 07:19:42 <liq3> Also, YETI 0.0.9 relying on town pop is scary. :( 07:20:10 <V453000> why? it felt quite okay to me 07:20:20 <liq3> Oh. Scary in a good way. More challenging. :] 07:20:23 <V453000> the dependence seemed very low in fact 07:20:24 <V453000> aha 07:20:44 <V453000> well the most important news are the other bonuses/mechanics, motivating to use all kinds of industries 07:20:52 <liq3> hehe. 07:20:54 <liq3> yeh. 07:22:38 <liq3> My save was already set up for that, so I just updated YETI in it :D 07:22:48 <liq3> Not starting a new game atm. 07:23:28 <V453000> changing industries can do quite some havoc :D 07:23:45 <V453000> but well if it didnt, that much better 07:23:56 <liq3> Yeh, seems to be working fine. Tho some industries seemed to close magically. 07:24:50 *** tyteen4a03 [tyteen4a03@Daedalusx.net] has joined #openttd 07:26:57 <Supercheese> Hmm, eints will not let me start new Latin translations - "access denied". New en_US translations work just fine 07:34:47 <Supercheese> seemingly clearing browser cache and cookies did not help 07:47:59 <V453000> thee shall not passeth to Latin 07:48:08 <Supercheese> :< 07:48:44 * V453000 is finally rendering another industry =D 07:49:30 <V453000> last (tm) 07:49:52 <planetmaker> Supercheese, might be something on the eints VM itself. Will try to look later, but seems I won't have time today... our wiki server is broken. And it's mine to repair 07:49:59 <planetmaker> work work 07:51:08 <Supercheese> roger 07:52:03 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 07:52:07 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 07:54:09 <V453000> :d render to be done in 6.5 hours 07:57:10 <Supercheese> Well then, render unto Caesar what is Caesar's... ;) 07:57:25 <V453000> wat XD 07:57:48 <Supercheese> Hmm, if you don't know the reference you wouldn't get the (bad) joke 07:57:55 <V453000> guess not :P 07:58:16 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-26-61.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:48:11 *** SHOTbyGUN [shotbygun@213-186-253-83.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:53:47 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@76.178.136.186] has quit [Quit: Valete omnes] 09:04:35 <Rubidium> how would I calculate the average/mean deviation between the lowest and highest peak in a set of TGP amplitudes? 09:06:50 *** Jomann [~abchirk@p4FE21B78.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:07:51 <Rubidium> with one amplitude that's just max-of-X-samples - min-of-X-samples, and since the values are (assumed to be) randomly distributed, that'll probably give a max of, on average, 1-(1/X), so in the end something like 1-(2/X), right? 09:08:07 <Rubidium> but with two amplitudes things get fishy 09:08:11 <peter1138> Heh, I'm working on a standalone heightmap maker... 09:08:58 <Rubidium> the first amplitude gets it's value put in half of the places, and then an interpolation is done for the rest, after which the second amplitude is added 09:10:30 <Rubidium> which makes it a huge pain in the arse, especially when trying to figure out the roughness because I'd have to divide all numbers by this average "height" of the generated heightmap before knowing the actual roughness 09:16:36 *** Celestar [~Celestar@mnch-5d858c50.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 09:20:41 <Rubidium> ugh... it's kinda the reverse German tank problem for the one amplitude case 09:27:34 <peter1138> heightmaps are deceiving. 09:30:32 <Rubidium> why? 09:31:49 <peter1138> What looks interesting in an image doesn't translate to an interesting map. 09:36:27 *** George [~George@185.43.94.91] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:51:48 *** George [~George@185.43.94.91] has joined #openttd 09:55:11 *** MNIM [~MNIM@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:01:54 *** _maddy [~plaiho@v44.woima.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:08:45 <planetmaker> Rubidium, you need to get a 2D fourier trafo of the image really to assess the bumpyness 10:09:26 <planetmaker> one could actually invert that process :D 10:09:50 <Rubidium> planetmaker: but I'm not working on an image 10:10:35 <Rubidium> I basically want to get some sort of "statistics" on the average bumpyness given a set of amplitudes and the mess that OpenTTD does with it while generating the heightmap 10:11:11 <Rubidium> so I can attempt to create a function for generating amplitudes that extend well with higher heights 10:11:22 <Rubidium> instead of having to fiddle with tens of sets of amplitudes 10:15:18 <Rubidium> I now kinda get http://rbijker.net/openttd/total_contribution_to_dz.png (as seen from 1x1 "frequency" to 64x64) 10:16:01 <Rubidium> it's more or less the cumulative distribution function (though in reverse to normal) 10:16:57 *** fjb is now known as Guest1461 10:16:59 *** fjb [~frank@000158aa.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 10:17:53 *** abchirk [~abchirk@p4FE21B78.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:18:03 <Rubidium> http://rbijker.net/openttd/average_contribution_to_dz.png <- the distribution per "frequency" 10:18:27 <Rubidium> although, where frequency is said in TGP it looks more like wavelength 10:20:02 <planetmaker> Rubidium our map is nothing different than an image, just the format in memory is different. The byte array for height could be treated as such or transformed into one. 10:20:23 *** Pikkaphone [~yaaic@203-206-161-219.perm.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 10:20:33 <Rubidium> planetmaker: but I can't generate an *average* map 10:20:42 <Pikkaphone> do you want a jellybaby? 10:21:20 <Pikkaphone> what's average anyway? 10:21:37 <Rubidium> I know that random messes with things a lot, so one map differs a lot from the other map and having to generate thousands of map to run that function and then average seems like a huge amount of work 10:23:26 *** Jomann [~abchirk@p4FE21B78.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:24:20 <Rubidium> and with that method, I'd need to run that all over again with a new set of amplitudes to "test" 10:24:22 *** Guest1461 [~frank@000158aa.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:24:46 <liq3> anyone know what could cause trains to not load cargo at a station? 10:24:48 <Rubidium> instead of pushing them into a function to see the general behaviour 10:25:36 <Pikkaphone> I have some theories, liq3. hard to tell from here though 10:25:54 <V453000> screenshot or save helps :) 10:25:55 <Rubidium> liq3: wrong destination, wrong origin, wrong train, wrong orders, wrong ... 10:26:28 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6A5E3.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 10:26:40 <Pikkaphone> wrong refit? wrong trousers, grommit? 10:26:43 <liq3> No, they're in the station, with the right cars for the cargo type, the station has cargo, they have the right orders. They load 20-50% cargo and then stop. 10:27:10 <Pikkaphone> wrong orders for the cargo? 10:27:31 <planetmaker> wrong destination for the cargo 10:27:46 <Pikkaphone> ie it's cargodestined for somewhere else, yes planetmaker 10:27:48 <liq3> wrong destination? 10:27:59 <liq3> ....oh it is. 10:28:02 <liq3> why is cargodist even on. 10:28:19 <Pikkaphone> because cargodist is wonderful 10:28:39 <liq3> ty. Turning off cargodist fixed it. 10:28:57 <liq3> or at least i hope it has. 10:29:33 <planetmaker> cargodist cross-company is fun :) 10:30:02 <planetmaker> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/6114/getfile/9947/cross_company_cargodist.png 10:30:07 <Pikkaphone> industries with built in stations are a bad feature 10:30:52 <planetmaker> actually I don't think so. It's great 10:31:10 <planetmaker> it's just missing proper infra sharing :D 10:31:26 <planetmaker> and probably adjusting income form shared cargo between companies 10:31:55 <planetmaker> 'just' :P 10:40:55 <liq3> V453000: so why does YETI food look it has a radioactive warning on it? :P 10:41:03 <planetmaker> hm, fftw meanwhile is gpl. good :) 10:41:27 <V453000> where did you see yeti food? :D 10:41:33 <liq3> well, the barrels. 10:41:37 <liq3> on the trains. :D 10:41:44 <planetmaker> maybe it's uranium and not food? 10:41:49 <liq3> lol. 10:41:49 <V453000> which train are you using? 10:41:53 <liq3> NUTS 10:42:01 <V453000> that is train set not train :P 10:42:05 <V453000> the wagons differ majorly 10:42:08 <liq3> universal rail wagon. 10:42:08 <V453000> ah the rail? 10:42:11 <V453000> ...... 10:42:19 <V453000> yeah 10:42:45 <V453000> well, it is just a general label on the food can :D 10:42:48 <liq3> Here I thought it might have been intentional the YETIs are eating toxic 'food' :D 10:43:09 <V453000> :d 10:43:18 <V453000> NUTS was made a long time before YETI 10:43:24 <liq3> I can just imagine what sort of monsters they must be to eat toxic waste or something. 10:43:33 <liq3> yeh. 10:43:55 <V453000> well yeh, that suggests no link between appearance of food and YETI :P 10:43:58 <liq3> can you play YETI with anything besides NUTS? 10:44:08 <V453000> you can but it wont look as nice probably 10:45:16 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has joined #openttd 10:55:25 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: i'd settle for an "infra sharing light" where you can join your station to another company's station, and they share cargo, but you can't drive on their rails 10:56:24 <Eddi|zuHause> (this opens up a whole new "he steals my cargo" problem, though) 10:58:33 *** Pikkaphone [~yaaic@203-206-161-219.perm.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:59:25 <peter1138> Subsidiaries! 10:59:59 <Pikka> !kick peter1138 11:00:08 <Pikka> such filthy language 11:00:20 <peter1138> NewBridges! 11:00:38 <Pikka> New(air)Ports, you mean 11:00:54 <Pikka> RoadTypes and 11:01:30 <Pikka> signalsintunnels? 11:02:01 <peter1138> z-layers 11:02:18 <Pikka> signals on subsidiarybridges 11:02:41 <peter1138> signals on subsidiarystationcustombridgeheads 11:02:43 <Pikka> bridges over stations, over houses, over airports, over stations 11:02:51 <Pikka> over horses 11:03:01 <Pikka> over ovens 11:06:28 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, yes, that would be definitely a possible light version. Which also doesn't change anything how track sharing could be done 11:07:24 <planetmaker> and then we turn on the oven. It's a sintering oven... 1500°C is nice and cozy 11:07:42 <planetmaker> but the signal then is always red 11:07:49 <V453000> bridges over cc_oversized? 11:08:02 <V453000> might not be as automatic as it seems :P 11:08:13 <V453000> huge_ass_tunnels_for_oversized_sprites 11:08:56 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:10:11 <peter1138> Massive tunnels for V453000's massive loads 11:13:34 <V453000> . 11:13:58 <V453000> peter1138 has any experience with creating titles for porn movies? 11:15:36 <^Spike^> somehow i don't know if i should regret opening my irc client @ work or just well laugh... :) 11:16:54 <Pikka> hmmmm 11:17:26 <V453000> dump 11:17:49 *** SHOTbyGUN [shotbygun@213-186-253-83.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 11:18:22 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker, ^Spike^: any chance to bring back commit emails on the devzone? 11:21:52 <Pikka> http://i.imgur.com/YcWKMdx.png 11:21:56 <Pikka> it's not that bad 11:22:28 <peter1138> Eww 11:22:45 <peter1138> Train is nice of course. 11:24:00 <Pikka> fabulous zbase coast sprites? and tunnels? :) 11:24:32 <Pikka> base sets are such a lot of work... there's a reason there aren't more of them. 11:24:54 <planetmaker> did we ever have commit e-mails? 11:25:29 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: yes, i think Ammler once seet that up for me 11:25:45 <planetmaker> Pikka, V453000 I wonder whether you two could just team up for a base set. I could also offer coding 11:25:58 <planetmaker> there's enough climates for different styles, too :) 11:26:11 <Pikka> I imagine we'd have different ideas about style :P 11:26:18 <planetmaker> :) 11:26:31 <Pikka> and tbh half a baseset is still a lot of work, might as well make a whole one. 11:26:47 <Pikka> as far as "different climates" goes... I wasn't planning to differentiate :P 11:26:53 <supermop> how many total sprites? 11:26:56 <planetmaker> half a baseset is half the work :D 11:26:59 <Pikka> same houses, grass, etc. :) 11:27:11 <planetmaker> Pikka, really? 11:27:21 <planetmaker> well, sure, for starters 11:27:30 <Rubidium> why create a new base set when zbase could still be massively improved? 11:27:44 <V453000> planetmaker: I am intending to create one, I am just taking it step by step, not by direct "go create a base set" 11:28:25 <V453000> but, will be done with yeti rather soon 11:28:51 <V453000> landscape is already on the way, tracks/roads naturally follow 11:28:57 <V453000> after tracks, trains can start to happen 11:28:58 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 11:29:11 <Pikka> that's a funny question, Rubidium :) 11:29:19 <V453000> but I cant say I am very interested in creating buildings/ships/aircraft so far 11:29:42 <Pikka> you can borrow my ships / aircraft, V 11:29:44 <Pikka> when I have some 11:29:52 <V453000> yeah, eventually :P 11:30:10 <V453000> see, planetmaker we aint need to team up, it happens itself :P 11:30:12 <Pikka> from my POV, a base set is really just the landscape 11:30:19 <V453000> I say see what future brings 11:30:26 <V453000> yeah, landscape is biggest hell 11:30:33 <Pikka> because I'm planning to make house, industry, track, vehicle etc sets 11:30:36 <V453000> aaand I have landscape sprites ready 11:30:42 <V453000> one kind of them anyway 11:30:47 <V453000> sure 11:30:55 <Pikka> so everything except the landscape is just 11:30:59 <Pikka> placeholders from grf 11:31:02 <V453000> newgrf :) yes 11:31:05 <Pikka> yes 11:31:06 <Pikka> that too 11:31:14 <planetmaker> supermop, around 7000 and whatever is in extra. With OpenGFX that's another 4300 sprites currently 11:31:15 <supermop> http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltxdjlJVLz1qctyfzo1_500.png 11:31:29 <Pikka> I'm sure some people would just use the base set 11:31:31 <planetmaker> so overall you can calculate 10k sprites 11:31:36 <Pikka> particularly in multiplayer 11:31:44 <V453000> yeah 11:31:53 <supermop> multiplayer is best case for base sets 11:32:11 <supermop> vast majority of open servers i see are sans newgrf 11:32:24 * Pikka has some tracks done, and basic landscape geometry 11:32:32 <planetmaker> Rubidium, people always seem to want to do *their own stuff* instead of starting from something and improving that. 11:32:34 <supermop> and i get a little tired of always seeing the same towns 11:32:53 <supermop> some static grfs would help a lot 11:32:57 <^Spike^> Eddi|zuHause: we'll try to look into it just trying to think how it might've worked 11:33:07 <^Spike^> as devzone did had some needed changes and still has 1 pending aswell 11:33:30 <planetmaker> ^Spike^, Eddi|zuHause I assume it might have worked via redmine. But it won't be sent when no-one crawled the repo page on redmine 11:33:42 <planetmaker> thus enabling that via rest api from a commit hook might already solve that again 11:33:54 <V453000> I have landscape geometry + cutting mask/after effects infrastructure which creates actual sprites from it 11:33:57 <V453000> and they seem to work 11:34:01 <V453000> even tried in a grf 11:34:20 <^Spike^> :) 11:34:23 <supermop> is japan set gpl? breaking some sprites out of there is an easy base set 11:34:40 <V453000> is japan set ez/32bpp? :P 11:35:02 <V453000> ttd base set is perfect for old 8bpp, no need to change that 11:35:03 <supermop> just find whatever is the closest equivalent for a kirby paul etc 11:35:11 <planetmaker> supermop, it is. check devzone 11:35:18 <Pikka> supermop: the point of the exercise is not to make *a* baseset 11:35:29 <planetmaker> :) 11:35:30 <Pikka> it's to make the baseset we want to make 11:35:32 <supermop> haha 11:35:41 <V453000> plus that 11:36:01 <supermop> well, if the purpose is to make the greatest number of basesets with least effort 11:36:02 <supermop> .... 11:36:06 <planetmaker> supermop, just making a landscape replacement set is easier compared to making a base set. Landscape replacement could also be static really 11:36:18 <^Spike^> i just blame ehm.... i don't know... planetmaker ? :) 11:36:19 <planetmaker> if it would not include stuff which I included in ogfx+landscape. Like the objects 11:37:15 <supermop> look out for my upcoming "pink square base" comprising 10000 plain pink square sprites 11:37:17 <V453000> one base set already did aim to create something at all costs, sacrificing quality for speed in which it is done 11:37:22 <V453000> not intending to do that :P 11:37:52 <V453000> I will just continue creating my world and one day it might be large enough to convert it to a base set / OR I might just at least have the infrastructure to create a base set with less effort already 11:38:07 <V453000> it wont be too soon, true 11:38:57 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 11:39:00 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 11:39:02 <peter1138> Pixel-art 4x baseset, do it. 11:39:29 <Pikka> imgur jpged my screenshot, boo. 11:39:30 <peter1138> Hmm, I wonder if I still have the old scaling filters... 11:39:41 <Pikka> http://i.imgur.com/m1XfqUm.jpg trakzzz 11:40:08 <V453000> too black inside, otherwise ok :P 11:40:25 <supermop> don't touch the steel of that bridge with bare hands 11:40:47 <peter1138> zbase bridges are pretty bad 11:41:11 <Pikka> because they're 1x scaled. same with the signals and wires. :P 11:41:20 <peter1138> Yeah 11:41:28 <supermop> no motivation for better bridges with current spec though? 11:41:41 <Pikka> he didn't really make anything "finer". but there was a time, I seem to remember, when everyone was obsessed with what things looked like at normal zoom rather than 4x. :P 11:43:03 <supermop> Pikka: i think with ballast that dark, rails should be browner, 11:43:35 <Pikka> it's all WIP. and it's all toy trains. :P 11:43:45 <supermop> more the color of corten like a new rail sitting on the side of the tracks 11:43:55 <V453000> :) 11:44:09 <Pikka> I'm not sure EZ rail junctions can look good, btw. Unless we resurrect that old idea of railsets being able to define a sprite for each different junction ;) 11:44:36 <supermop> silver rail do evoke a certain HO set quality though 11:47:33 <supermop> Pikka: visavis houses, what "scale" do you think is practical, regardless of "scale" of other elements? or is it not worth keeping buildings consistent with each other? 11:48:19 <Pikka> I'm trying to keep things to a consistent scale... which isn't necessarily consistent with other graphics or "reality". 11:48:47 <Pikka> let me calculating, just a sec... 11:49:59 <V453000> I shit on scale on all levels :D 11:50:06 <V453000> ofc it is "somewhat" similar, but ... 11:50:08 <Pikka> yes, but you're you 11:50:12 <V453000> :D 11:50:19 <V453000> that doestn mean anything 11:50:34 <Pikka> if you say so 11:52:02 <Eddi|zuHause> <Pikka> I'm not sure EZ rail junctions can look good, btw. Unless we resurrect that old idea of railsets being able to define a sprite for each different junction ;) <-- alternatively, draw sleepers and rails in separate steps 11:52:41 <Pikka> even then, eddi. it would be simpler and nicer to just draw the whole junction. you're still going to have sleepers and rails overlapping oddly otherwise. 11:52:52 <Pikka> if you draw the whole junction you could actually model a switch, etc :D 11:52:54 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 11:53:06 <Eddi|zuHause> go ahead then :p 11:53:09 <Pikka> and there's only... I don't remember how many. 20-odd. 11:53:14 <Pikka> I worked it out last time. :P 11:53:49 <Eddi|zuHause> 2^6 different junctions, if you don't try to blend in with neighbouring tiles 11:54:07 <Pikka> which you don't, because that way madness lies 11:54:25 <peter1138> I had a patch for that. 11:54:33 <Eddi|zuHause> genious and madness are not particularly far apart :p 11:55:19 <V453000> ^ 11:55:32 <Eddi|zuHause> there's a prime example for that :p 11:55:46 <V453000> iz not 11:55:53 <Eddi|zuHause> iz too. 11:56:05 <Pikka> I actually did calculate how many tiles you'd need if you blended with neighbouring tiles before, btw, because if you try to make geometrically correct diagonal track (rather than TTD narrowed diagonal track) you need to overlap the next tile 11:56:11 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/~petern/ottd/0001-Add-flag-and-railtype-sprite-type-to-draw-pre-combined-ground-sprites..patch 11:56:14 <peter1138> ^ still there 11:56:24 <Pikka> I got to the high thousands before I gave up :) 11:56:37 <Pikka> excellent, peter1138 :) 11:57:03 <Pikka> someone had better make a test grf or something. I nominate V. 11:57:23 <Eddi|zuHause> Pikka: there was a study on the forum about how to actually model curved junctions 11:57:52 <Pikka> there was, but it was a load of rubbish :) 11:58:26 <peter1138> Simplest way is to play Train Fever. 11:58:30 <Eddi|zuHause> the idea was that you separate each edge and the center of the tile, so you assemble the tile from 5 parts. 4 of which are rotationally symmetric 11:58:55 <supermop> ok i'm off to bed, later 11:59:02 <Pikka> goodnight 11:59:06 <Eddi|zuHause> so you don't have to model all that much, the rest of the combinatorial explosion can be scripted 11:59:25 <Pikka> well, peter1138, the openttd community *is* dying, I hear. We'll all have to move to train fever eventually. 12:00:09 <Eddi|zuHause> i might port CETS to train fever in the future. if i ever find a comprehensive spec :p 12:00:41 <peter1138> I'm dying :( 12:00:52 <Pikka> must be the heat 12:01:07 <peter1138> www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=62667&hiliDyt=curved+track 12:01:09 <peter1138> that thread? 12:01:13 <Eddi|zuHause> openttd has been "dying" for like 10 years now :p 12:01:31 *** supermop [~daniel_er@d110-33-191-31.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: supermop] 12:01:36 <Pikka> yeah but now it's *really* dying 12:02:25 <Eddi|zuHause> peter1138: yes. the post by ben_robbins about halfway down 12:02:30 <Pikka> 'cause we've chased out all the true visionaries. not naming any names, of course. 12:03:05 <peter1138> ACtively. 12:03:42 <Alberth> Pikka: great dudes wagon! 12:03:46 <Eddi|zuHause> Pikka: you mean the dysfunctional elements? 12:04:44 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause, what about the green images on the next page? 12:04:51 <Eddi|zuHause> Pikka: remember eis_os, or tron, or richk? 12:06:01 <peter1138> Hackykid 12:06:29 <peter1138> Ripping track 5 of 7 (try 4): 12:06:35 <peter1138> I guess this is never going to work :S 12:06:55 <Pikka> I believe richk got an honourable mention, yes :) 12:06:59 <Eddi|zuHause> peter1138: i do not remember having thought much about that part 12:08:16 <Eddi|zuHause> Pikka: it may be possible that "train nerds" and "dysfunctional social interaction" have quite a lot of overlap 12:08:51 <peter1138> http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=165071 12:09:21 <peter1138> Hmm, so find a way to conveniently calculate or cache that information... 12:09:31 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, that's the picture i was remembering 12:10:16 <Rubidium> talking about TGP; it doesn't scale well to higher heights. For higher heights you need more long wavelengths to get through the 100+ heightlevels without steep walls, but due to the way TGP is implemented (long wavelengths + large amplitudes + interpolation) you get vast rectangles where the predominant orientation is the same 12:10:37 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C3D69.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 12:11:09 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: cubic spline interpolation instead of linear? 12:11:51 <Rubidium> mostly because the long wavelength amplitudes are needed for the massive height differences, but that leaves you with a way more rectangular map due to the fact that TGP generates a 'base' point at regular intervals (wavelength) and interpolates in between 12:12:08 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: or you just need to increase the low wavelengths to add more variation 12:13:01 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: that's a bit the problem, you can't make them much higher because then you'd hit the 45 degree gradient 12:13:27 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: cliffs :) 12:16:12 <Rubidium> http://rbijker.net/openttd/alpinist_very_rough.png <- basically the current very rough with amplitudes for higher wavelengths (the higher wavelengths are getting a decreasing relative power in gradient) 12:16:31 <Rubidium> i.e. the higher the wavelength becomes, the smaller its input in the gradient of the mountains 12:18:31 <Rubidium> http://rbijker.net/openttd/no_higher_wavelengths.png <- same settings, but without the higher wavelengths 12:22:44 <fjb> Pyramidal 12:22:59 <peter1138> That's... 12:24:54 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/~petern/ottd/extgen1.png 12:25:00 <Celestar> :P 12:25:09 <peter1138> No crazy heightlevels, but an externally generated heightmap. 12:25:21 <peter1138> Not enough lows :S 12:25:40 <planetmaker> looks nice. But probably too many too steep hill sides 12:26:14 <argoneus> good morning train friends 12:26:32 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: i don't think your problem can be solved without either stretching out the distance between peaks, so you get more rolling-hills-style, or implementing cliffs so you can have gradients above 45° 12:28:15 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: the problem is that all the fractal cruftyness that makes perlin maps look "nice" gets eaten by the processing step that makes sure there is only 1 heightlevel change between tiles 12:29:18 <fjb> But how do you build behind a cliff? 12:29:24 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: also, it's really painful to actually build in such areas without cliffs 12:29:52 <Eddi|zuHause> as you either have to lower or raise half a mountain to terraform something 12:32:41 <Celestar> heya Rubidium ;) 12:32:45 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: well, that's exactly what happens with alpinist_very_rough compared to no_higher_wavelengths 12:33:02 <Rubidium> but the longer wavelengths become way more visible 12:33:28 <Rubidium> moin Celestar 12:45:03 <peter1138> Quick, time to do the cliffs 12:45:14 <peter1138> Never mind not being able to see behind them... 12:45:37 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: i don't remember which settings i used with this (ChillPP) game: www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/Thomson%20Co.,%2016.%20Sep%201922.png 12:46:53 <Eddi|zuHause> but it was a giant pain... 12:47:04 <peter1138> That does not look too fun :p 12:49:14 <Eddi|zuHause> all i know is that for the next game i used a much smoother map 12:50:04 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:50:46 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 12:57:08 <Pinkbeast> Eddi|zuHause: That's a RV sort of map, really. :-/ 12:58:13 <fjb> Pinkbeast: Where do you place the stations for the road vehicles? 12:58:35 <V453000> V hereby rejects your nomination Pikka 12:58:37 <Eddi|zuHause> RV-stations on slopes! 12:58:49 <Pikka> shameful display 12:59:01 <liq3> fjb: you terraform a bit? 12:59:29 <Pinkbeast> At least you've only got to find a smidge of space for them. 13:00:17 <fjb> liq3: You'd need to terraform away big parts of the towns on Eddy's map. 13:00:45 <liq3> seems like there's enough room to me 13:01:06 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C3D69.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/nkczDT] 13:02:17 *** luaduck_zzz is now known as luaduck 13:02:49 <V453000> btw Pikka which climates will NARS666 work in? 13:03:01 <Pikka> all, of course 13:03:05 <V453000> toylandz? 13:03:10 <Pikka> why not? 13:03:13 <V453000> (. 13:04:05 <V453000> ah they just change availability in climates? 13:04:29 <planetmaker> V453000, why would you need to change availability by climate for a vehicle grf? 13:04:39 <planetmaker> just forget about climate and care about cargo support. That's it 13:04:56 <V453000> well the older NARS only has some engines only in some climates 13:05:02 <planetmaker> vehicles which only support unavailable cargoes won't become available 13:05:09 *** Pulec [pulec@unaffilated.amunak.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:05:12 <V453000> unrelated to cargoes, non-cargo engines 13:05:13 <planetmaker> it's something you can do, of course, yes :) 13:05:28 <V453000> yes, and I am asking how is Pikka handling it in newer version :P 13:05:39 <Pikka> why would they change availability in climates? :) 13:05:50 <Pikka> sounds like a pretty bad feature to me :o 13:06:35 <V453000> e.g. GG1 wasnt in arctic, AEM-7 was not in tropic? 13:06:38 <V453000> or something like that? 13:06:45 <Pikka> terrible 13:07:01 <Pikka> who would concieve such a ridiculous notion? 13:07:28 <V453000> there was even a table on pikkawiki :P 13:07:41 <V453000> ME REMEMBERZ 13:08:01 *** Pulec [pulec@unaffilated.amunak.net] has joined #openttd 13:08:08 <Pikka> oh well 13:08:17 <Pikka> still not as dumb as regearing 13:08:21 <V453000> XD 13:09:01 <Pikka> just wait though 13:09:12 <V453000> you can do regearing according to curren_track_type :P 13:09:19 <Pikka> there will be complaints, "regearing was what made this set special, now it feels dumbed down" 13:09:19 <V453000> nutz does that basically 13:09:31 <V453000> there will always be complaints 13:09:32 <Pikka> "I liked having to have a caboose before 1975, it was realistic" 13:09:49 <Pikka> "station refitting ate my dingo" 13:09:59 <V453000> the last one is valid :P 13:10:33 <fjb> Dingo cargo only in Australia. 13:11:15 <Pinkbeast> I quite liked guard's vans actually (modulo OTTD's lack of complete train autoreplace...) 13:11:34 <Pikka> see! 13:11:41 <Pikka> you can still build them, anyway 13:11:47 <Pikka> you just don't *have* to build them. 13:12:01 <Pinkbeast> I like to have to build them. 13:12:17 <Pikka> ok, well 13:12:24 <Pikka> *you* have to build them. that is an order. 13:12:29 <Pikka> for everyone else it's optional. 13:12:57 <V453000> xd 13:12:58 <Pinkbeast> I'm not complaining, it's not like UKRS2 went away and obviously you are going to do what you want to see in sets... 13:13:10 <Pikka> hmm 13:13:12 <Pikka> good idea 13:13:47 <Pikka> I will get rid of UKRS2 :D 13:14:03 <V453000> SABOTAGE IT 13:14:34 <Flygon> Man 13:14:43 <Flygon> Y'know, if I imagine y'all as pirates in my head 13:14:55 <Flygon> This becomes the best IRC chatroom I'm in 13:15:18 <Alberth> would it be #pirate then? 13:15:24 <Flygon> V453 goes like, "Yaaaaaaarr, sabotage the lot. The other guys'll never know what hit them!" 13:15:30 <Flygon> And Pikka is like 13:15:35 <Flygon> A Pikachu with an eyepatch 13:15:39 <Flygon> Because I'm original like that @_@ 13:15:49 <Flygon> YES 13:15:52 <Flygon> I WANT TO BE A PIRATE~ 13:16:16 <Eddi|zuHause> Flygon: how is this not already the best irc channel? 13:16:36 <Alberth> I think we are lacking a pirate train and pirate boats 13:16:38 <Flygon> Needs more drunk furries 13:16:49 <Flygon> ...Alberth 13:16:50 <Flygon> Pirate boats 13:16:53 <Flygon> That would be like 13:16:55 <Flygon> An awesome GRF 13:17:05 <V453000> XD 13:17:15 <V453000> Pikachu with an eyepatch XD 13:17:22 <V453000> I will never imagine Pikka differently now 13:17:45 <Pikka> differently from drunk? 13:18:11 <V453000> Y 13:18:13 <V453000> ARR 13:19:12 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause: Too few girls... 13:19:34 <Eddi|zuHause> girls are overr... err, wait... :p 13:20:55 <Pikka> girls are over there. 13:23:28 <fjb> Girls on the net are all fakes. 13:24:01 <Pikka> even you? 13:24:08 <argoneus> on the internet 13:24:12 <argoneus> no one knows you are a train 13:24:14 <argoneus> choo choo 13:24:43 * fjb doesn't even exist. 13:28:34 <Flygon> fjb is a combination of stray packets sent on the Internet back in 1988 13:28:40 <Flygon> Then he became a sentient lifeform :3 13:28:48 <Flygon> His name is a result of gibberish assembled into a name 13:28:57 <Flygon> His home is millions of computers worldwide 13:29:04 <Flygon> And he is here with us today 13:29:05 <Flygon> <3 13:29:25 <Flygon> argoneus: I do wonder how many M-sets fjb inhabits :B 14:01:02 <V453000> hmmm https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20419525/test.wmv 14:01:32 <V453000> not very yeti XD 14:04:37 *** mtraceur [~oftc-webi@c-71-195-2-98.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 14:05:01 * mtraceur waves 14:05:36 <mtraceur> I'm getting pretty far into a game and noticing that all of the engines in the list are no longer available for some reason 14:06:01 <mtraceur> I can still build cars, just not engines 14:06:53 <mtraceur> Wondered if anyone knew why that would happen 14:06:55 <planetmaker> you probably can build maglev still 14:07:08 <planetmaker> vehicle models will become unavailable. That's the course of normal events 14:07:13 <mtraceur> Ah. 14:07:30 <planetmaker> if you use any NewGRFs they can modify any of these aspects as they see fit 14:07:43 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r27005 trunk/src/tgp.cpp (2014-10-13 14:07:37 UTC) 14:07:44 <DorpsGek> -Fix (r26999): variety distribution curve map scaling did one conversion to height_t too many 14:08:29 <mtraceur> planetmaker: I don't think I can build maglev...unless it's special somehow 14:09:14 <planetmaker> it's another track type. click and hold the track icon in the main toolbar 14:09:38 <mtraceur> Ah. 14:09:53 <planetmaker> what year is your game and what climate do you play? 14:11:08 <mtraceur> planetmaker: Temperate, 2028 14:12:12 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r27006 trunk/src/tgp.cpp (2014-10-13 14:12:06 UTC) 14:12:13 <DorpsGek> -Codechange: move getting of the amplitude to a seperate function 14:12:18 <mtraceur> OK, so I did see that there were electric engines available, so I'll build those 14:12:23 <mtraceur> Thanks :) 14:14:10 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r27007 trunk/src/tgp.cpp (2014-10-13 14:14:04 UTC) 14:14:11 <DorpsGek> -Codechange: allow for more frequencies (based on patch by ic111) 14:16:11 *** MTs-iPad_ [~MTs-iPad@008-086-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:16:26 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r27008 trunk/src/tgp.cpp (2014-10-13 14:16:20 UTC) 14:16:27 <DorpsGek> -Change: extrapolate the amplitudes for the large wavelengths needed for much higher maps 14:16:33 *** MTs-iPad [~MTs-iPad@008-086-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl] has joined #openttd 14:18:44 *** Celestar [~Celestar@mnch-5d858c50.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:22:54 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r27009 /trunk/src (5 files in 3 dirs) (2014-10-13 14:22:48 UTC) 14:22:55 <DorpsGek> -Add: extra level of general map heightness (ChillCore) 14:23:40 <Pikka> heightnessosity 14:25:55 <V453000> :o 14:31:06 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r27010 trunk/src/tile_type.h (2014-10-13 14:30:59 UTC) 14:31:07 <DorpsGek> -Feature [FS#4126]: more height levels (ic111, ChillCore, CommanderZ) 14:43:50 *** Pikka [~Octomom@d58-106-19-186.rdl801.qld.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:45:46 *** Hazzard [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 14:51:52 *** mtraceur [~oftc-webi@c-71-195-2-98.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:59:54 <LordAro> :o 15:43:37 <Terkhen> ooh, cool 15:46:55 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 15:47:11 *** TheMask96 [martijn@envy.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:52:20 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 16:15:14 *** abchirk [~abchirk@p4FE21B78.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:18:43 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.41.234.244] has joined #openttd 16:26:24 * peter1138 spots a bug. 16:37:49 <V453000> is feature 16:38:34 <peter1138> *nod* 16:50:29 *** DanMacK [~63f912e8@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 16:50:39 <DanMacK> Hey all 16:50:56 <DanMacK> @seen andythenorth 16:50:56 <DorpsGek> DanMacK: andythenorth was last seen in #openttd 1 day, 0 hours, 27 minutes, and 25 seconds ago: <andythenorth> where is cat? 16:53:38 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has joined #openttd 16:58:36 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:58:39 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 17:11:58 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 17:12:20 <andythenorth> ou est chat? 17:12:35 <Alberth> right here? o/ 17:12:56 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d01f1b8.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:16:28 <Alberth> o/ 17:23:24 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 17:25:34 *** TomyLobo [~foo@91.65.115.103] has joined #openttd 17:26:09 <planetmaker> le chat, il est... sur le chaiselongue 17:29:17 <glx> *la ;) 17:29:43 <glx> and a space between chaise and longue 17:29:46 <Rubidium> male cat? 17:29:57 <glx> female object :) 17:30:27 <Rubidium> glx: nah, was more wondering about the gender of the cat 17:30:53 <glx> well it's "le chat" or "la chatte" 17:33:41 *** DanMacK [~63f912e8@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:34:27 <planetmaker> :) 17:34:49 <planetmaker> I knew le chat. And I should have guessed the Gender of chaise longue from German :P 17:35:13 <liq3> really wish there was a hotkey for hiding trains in the "available trains" window. 17:35:14 * Rubidium just guesses gender by a trailing e in French ;) 17:35:27 <planetmaker> :) 17:35:50 <Rubidium> otherwise... plural for grammar tests ;) 17:35:57 <glx> the adjective was a hint there ;) 17:36:15 <planetmaker> I only knew 'le chat' as I visited a friend earlier who has a cat. And there of course used 'la chat' and was told that it's different in french ;) 17:38:39 <liq3> Where should I give suggestions? 17:38:58 <frosch123> do you mean toggling "show hidden", or do you mean "toggle selected engine"? 17:39:09 <liq3> I mean the "hide" button. 17:40:12 <frosch123> you can ctrl+click in the list 17:40:41 <liq3> oh really? 17:40:49 <liq3> that works. ty 17:40:52 <liq3> silly hidden hotkeys. 17:41:05 <Eddi|zuHause> <planetmaker> I knew le chat. And I should have guessed the Gender of chaise longue from German :P <--that guess is not always accurate 17:41:27 <planetmaker> of course not. 50% chance or so :P 17:41:59 <glx> english is easier ;) 17:42:30 <Eddi|zuHause> the rule of thumb my french teacher used: "99% if it's 'beautiful' it's female, and if it's not, it's male" 17:42:44 <glx> hehe 17:43:27 <Rubidium> there must be a lot of males in France ;) 17:43:42 <Eddi|zuHause> the odd things about cats is that in german, it's a rare case of "generic femininum" 17:43:50 <Rubidium> or a lot of beautiful women 17:44:26 <Eddi|zuHause> in almost all places, if you talk about something where the gender is unknown or mixed, you use male. just not with cats 17:45:29 <glx> because it's usually cute :) 17:45:33 <fjb> The good thing about french girls is: they are beautiful. The bad thing is: they speak French. 17:45:59 <planetmaker> lool 17:46:43 <Rubidium> but the accent is so nice ;) 17:49:25 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r27011 /trunk/src/lang (7 files) (2014-10-13 17:49:11 UTC) 17:49:26 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:49:27 <DorpsGek> catalan - 1 changes by juanjo 17:49:28 <DorpsGek> croatian - 15 changes by VoyagerOne 17:49:29 <DorpsGek> dutch - 28 changes by habell 17:49:30 <DorpsGek> latin - 5 changes by Supercheese 17:49:31 <DorpsGek> latvian - 50 changes by Olby 17:49:32 <DorpsGek> gaelic - 34 changes by GunChleoc 17:49:33 <DorpsGek> spanish - 2 changes by SilverSurferZzZ 17:50:16 *** Hazzard [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:50:48 *** Hazzard [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 17:56:38 <__ln__> le http://unicode-table.com/en/1F408/ 17:59:05 <Taede> thats where scottish girls have the advantage 17:59:14 <Taede> nice accent, and its a form of english too 18:02:59 * fjb never met a scottish girl. 18:03:51 <planetmaker> kiwi are in that category, too ;) 18:07:58 <SpComb> ð 18:08:11 <SpComb> irssi doesn't understand it :( 18:12:52 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@76.178.136.186] has joined #openttd 18:14:47 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host156-13-dynamic.20-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:15:15 <Wolf01> hello 18:16:24 <peter1138> ð± 18:16:30 <SpComb> nope 18:16:33 <peter1138> For some reason I have that glyph, but not 1F408. 18:16:37 <Wolf01> :D a kitty 18:16:53 <peter1138> But anyway it's not irssi understanding it... 18:16:56 <SpComb> is it just irssi that refuses to decode it? 18:17:14 <peter1138> irssi doesn't need to decode it. 18:17:54 <peter1138> Your terminal handles that. 18:20:25 <Alberth> (or not, in this case :p ) 18:20:26 <peter1138> Well, if no font has the glyph... time for a sprite font? :D 18:21:39 <Brumi> umm 18:21:52 <Brumi> where is STR_TERRAIN_TYPE_ALPINIST supposed to show up in the game? 18:22:22 <Brumi> didn't find it by searching the source of r27001 either 18:22:35 <peter1138> SpComb, http://users.teilar.gr/~g1951d/Symbola.zip 18:22:38 *** Celestar [~Celestar@p4FFB968C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:22:44 <peter1138> That font contains it. 18:23:05 <Rubidium> Brumi: it's more recent than that, but in the new game window below hilly and mountainous in the dropdown 18:24:16 <Brumi> okay 18:24:47 <Brumi> but shouldn't it be Alpine or something like that? Alpinist is the person who climbs mountains 18:26:36 <SpComb> peter1138: it's not just the font, irssi replaces it with U+1F408 18:27:59 <Alberth> you mean the rectangular picture with hex number? 18:28:26 *** Klanticus [~quassel@187.39.191.115] has joined #openttd 18:28:26 <Alberth> that's sort of standard to show characters that are not available at your machine 18:31:15 *** George [~George@185.43.94.91] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:32:17 <peter1138> ððð 18:32:32 <peter1138> Green, blue and orange books, respectively. Allegedly. 18:36:48 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:38:57 <Wolf01> mmh, it seem that the water arrived here too 18:39:51 <frosch123> climb on a mountain 18:39:54 <frosch123> or build a ship 18:40:02 <peter1138> Wolf01's ark? 18:40:25 <Wolf01> I'm in a polder 18:44:10 <Wolf01> and the nice fact, is that the wind is coming from the sea, so we'll expect the river won't help 18:48:47 *** George [~George@185.43.94.91] has joined #openttd 18:52:12 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 19:09:25 *** Yotson [~Yotson@2001:980:6ac8:1:b421:c5df:93ff:a2a0] has quit [Quit: .] 19:17:01 *** Klanticus [~quassel@187.39.191.115] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:26:01 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has quit [] 19:31:43 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:37:10 <frosch123> @calc 1050/9*21 19:37:10 <DorpsGek> frosch123: 2450 19:38:26 *** Celestar [~Celestar@p4FFB968C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:40:23 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 19:49:32 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has quit [] 19:58:37 <Wolf01> 'night 19:58:45 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 20:19:56 *** Klanticus [~quassel@187.39.191.115] has joined #openttd 20:42:53 <peter1138> urgh, rgb recolours was nearly 2 years ago 20:43:30 <peter1138> Predates SSE blitters ;( 20:54:13 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 20:55:31 *** Flygon__ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 21:00:13 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:01:42 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:10:03 *** b_jonas [~x@russell2.math.bme.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:18:41 *** SHOTbyGUN [shotbygun@213-186-253-83.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:18:56 *** supermop [~daniel_er@d110-33-191-31.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 21:23:17 *** Klanticus [~quassel@187.39.191.115] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:24:01 *** b_jonas [~x@russell2.math.bme.hu] has joined #openttd 21:43:40 *** Leanden [027b6231@d.clients.kiwiirc.com] has joined #openttd 21:43:50 <Leanden> i tried to connect through the forums and it says "banned" 21:43:54 <Leanden> Closing Link: ircip4.mibbit.com (Banned) 21:43:57 <Leanden> any ideas? 21:44:11 <planetmaker> yes. Don't use mibbit 21:44:25 <Leanden> figured that was the cause 21:44:36 <Leanden> why is mibbit embedded in the forums instead of a proper IRC client? 21:44:38 <planetmaker> the forum link to irc is broken for ages. Mibbit does not implement the irc api to this network properly 21:44:59 <planetmaker> also, it's nothing we can do about. It's network policy of oftc 21:45:43 <Leanden> ow ok 21:45:49 <planetmaker> mibbit chose to ignore oftc's advice for two years to adjust their interface. After two years the old api was unplugged 21:46:06 <Leanden> fair enough 21:46:20 <planetmaker> basically mibbit does not implement any protection for oftc to ban single griefers 21:46:32 <planetmaker> thus they ban mibbit 21:49:55 <Eddi|zuHause> i guess the question is: why does the forum still run mibbit, then? 21:50:15 <Leanden> that was my next question 21:50:54 <Leanden> (and also my original question... "why is mibbit embedded in the forums instead of a proper IRC client? ") 21:51:55 <planetmaker> owen never came around to fixing? But you better ask that in forums :D 21:52:08 <planetmaker> it might remind him 21:52:23 <frosch123> wasn't it just reminded two week ago :p 21:52:48 <frosch123> https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=66372 <- your thread to complain in :) 21:52:55 <Leanden> i guess he is busy fixing amitrains 21:55:01 *** guru3_ [~guru3@90-230-86-71-no225.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 21:55:49 <frosch123> no idea what that is, google says locomotion 21:56:02 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f816-197.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:56:16 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f816-197.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 21:56:19 <Leanden> its one of Owen's other sites 21:56:25 <Leanden> that hosts mods for locomotion 21:56:31 <Leanden> recently got hacked 21:56:52 <frosch123> actually, the top hit is a forum thread from 2011 about it being down 21:57:41 <Leanden> ay, amitrains was never actually floated on google 21:57:48 <Leanden> so wont show up in searches :) 21:58:27 <Leanden> except that second link right there 21:58:48 <peter1138> "floated"... what? 21:59:14 <Leanden> cant think of the right term 21:59:31 <peter1138> Google follows links all the over the place. You don't request to be added. 22:00:23 <frosch123> well, you could try with a search engine that does not respect robot restrictions 22:00:41 *** guru3 [~guru3@000128ea.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:00:51 <Leanden> actually... http://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/submit-url 22:01:19 <Leanden> for the sites i host i had to request them to be indexed by google 22:01:24 <frosch123> sounds like when we send someone to talk to dorpsgek 22:06:04 <Leanden> right im going to bed 22:06:06 <Leanden> night all 22:06:19 *** Leanden [027b6231@d.clients.kiwiirc.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 22:09:21 <Eddi|zuHause> <peter1138> Google follows links all the over the place. You don't request to be added. <-- but you can request it to not be added. 22:14:46 <frosch123> night 22:14:48 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d01f1b8.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 22:15:21 <Eddi|zuHause> "iceland now cracks down on websites using the .is TLD for the 'islamic state'" 22:16:58 *** Hazzard [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:23:52 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:51:46 *** linuxman [~oftc-webi@98.231.233.182] has joined #openttd 22:53:01 *** TomyLobo [~foo@91.65.115.103] has quit [Quit: Standby mode...] 22:56:39 *** linuxman [~oftc-webi@98.231.233.182] has quit [] 23:14:55 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 23:22:13 *** Flygon__ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:28:08 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:28:29 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 23:34:33 *** Hazzard [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 23:55:51 *** luaduck_ [~luaduck@host86-132-159-248.range86-132.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 23:59:46 *** luaduck [~luaduck@0001c465.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:59:46 *** luaduck_ is now known as luaduck