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Log for #openttd on 29th November 2014:
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00:14:20  <__ln__> meanwhile in amsterdam: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30254888
00:16:52  <dreck> 0_o
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07:38:58  <andythenorth> o/
07:40:55  <Pikka> mebe
07:40:58  <V453000> haha ECS & FIRS universal wagon
07:41:04  <V453000>  #goodNUTSfeatures
07:41:11  <V453000> hy humanz
07:41:35  <andythenorth> oh is Pikkas
07:41:41  <andythenorth> Pikka: how was your hail?
07:41:57  <Pikka> a few icecubes up here
07:42:14  <andythenorth> guy who works for me lost all his windows
07:42:22  <andythenorth> power out, phone out, trees down
07:42:26  <Pikka> but my sister had her car dinged up and a friend had her windows smashed in and the roof damaged.
07:42:40  <andythenorth> QLD weather :P
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07:42:49  <andythenorth> also Hog
07:42:55  <Pikka> hoges
07:43:28  <andythenorth> tankers (not edible ones)
07:43:31  <andythenorth> should they be black?
07:43:33  <andythenorth> or CC?
07:43:38  <andythenorth> or both?
07:43:40  <andythenorth> or one of each?
07:43:43  <andythenorth> I drew black
07:43:52  <andythenorth> cos it’s easy to see in buy menu that way
07:43:53  <Pikka> ez
07:44:07  <Pikka> black is good though, for oily dankers
07:50:04  <andythenorth> reefer madness http://www.trucknetuk.com/phpBB/download/file.php?id=10785&mode=view
07:50:09  <andythenorth> also http://www.trucknetuk.com/phpBB/download/file.php?id=5734&mode=view
07:50:38  <Pikka> fancy
07:53:25  <Pikka> I had a go at making recolour mask sprites before
07:53:37  <Pikka> then decided it was a waste of time, I'll just go and make my 3d train game instead. ;)
07:55:41  <V453000> cc masks?
07:55:46  <Pikka> yes
07:55:55  <V453000> worked quite fine for me
07:56:03  <V453000> postproduction magix
07:56:13  <Pikka> I could make it work, I just can't be bothered, tmwftlb
07:56:24  <Pikka> no "pineapple lite" for you. :)
07:56:49  <V453000> I split the image into 16 different layers, and took 1/8th of grayscale for each ... and assigned a colour to each of them
07:56:57  <V453000> then just convert from rgb to 8bpp and done
07:57:52  <V453000> if you have separate train sprites then it is probably hell though
07:58:12  <Pikka> mmhm
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08:20:11  <andythenorth> hmm
08:20:17  <andythenorth> some bottom-smacking going on in forums
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08:23:05  <V453000> where?
08:23:42  <andythenorth> in a few threads
08:23:53  <andythenorth> nothing to see
08:23:59  <andythenorth> just ingratitude
08:25:19  <V453000> aha that
08:25:25  <V453000> well he indeed is bad :P
08:25:38  <V453000> but that is absolutely not a way to say it
08:25:44  <andythenorth> ingratitude is the wrong word in fact
08:25:53  <andythenorth> do we make newgrfs so players can be grateful?
08:26:02  <V453000> not exactly
08:26:12  <andythenorth> nope
08:26:26  <Pikka> if you didn't see it, there was another post I removed. :)
08:26:35  <V453000> oh :)
08:26:49  <andythenorth> didn’t see it
08:26:57  <V453000> WE WANT ALL THE POSTS
08:27:04  <andythenorth> you’re welcome to them
08:27:12  <andythenorth> I have seen enough bad posts
08:27:17  <V453000> XD
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08:28:29  <Pikka> v: http://i.imgur.com/hSp1TvK.png , but I didn't show you. :)
08:30:44  <andythenorth> ha
08:30:47  <andythenorth> yes
08:30:48  <andythenorth> well
08:30:54  <andythenorth> also he’s wrong
08:31:02  <andythenorth> they’re good sprites, they just need some shading
08:31:05  <andythenorth> I had a look
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08:35:11  <andythenorth> hmm
08:35:19  <andythenorth> buses have not much hp
08:35:27  <andythenorth> irl
08:35:46  <Pikka> low gearing, low top speed.
08:37:10  <Pikka> don't route them up hills :)
08:37:17  <andythenorth> I think I will represent that accurately in ottd-scale
08:37:26  <andythenorth> by giving them 50% more hp, and a high top speed
08:37:34  <Pikka> splendid
08:39:01  <andythenorth> can a 4.5 year old do that canal-build-roads-on-water trick
08:39:04  * andythenorth leaves him to try
08:39:16  <Pikka> buses really are underpowered though. During driving training we took an old butterbox to the top of mount coot-tha. it had a front-mounted radiator and you could feel it getting hotter as we went. :) I did a few diversions in a relatively modern scania up steep hills where I wasn't doing much more than walking pace by the time it was half way up. realisms!
08:39:18  <V453000> XD
08:39:58  <andythenorth> we need gear ratios in newgrf
08:40:26  <andythenorth> use a dword
08:40:32  <andythenorth> each byte is a ratio
08:40:37  <andythenorth> up to 4 speeds
08:40:57  <andythenorth> first nibble is first number of ratio
08:41:02  <andythenorth> second nibble is second number
08:41:20  <andythenorth> so ratios from 0:0 up to 16:16
08:41:42  <Pikka> what does a 0:0 gear ratio look like?
08:41:43  <V453000> xd
08:41:54  <V453000> Pikka: organic vehicles
08:41:56  <andythenorth> Pikka: super fast
08:42:00  <andythenorth> also another dword
08:42:08  <andythenorth> first bye: max revs
08:42:50  <andythenorth> second byte is hub reduction ratio
08:42:59  <andythenorth> third is whether there’s a splitter box
08:43:26  <Pikka> fourth is whether the driver's had his lunch yet
08:43:29  <andythenorth> no
08:43:31  <V453000> XD
08:43:33  <andythenorth> fourth is auto or manual
08:43:41  <andythenorth> if it’s manual, player has to change gear themselves
08:43:44  <Pikka> you need to simulate that though, it makes a big difference. :)
08:43:53  <Pikka> what about preselectors?
08:44:00  <Pikka> newgearboxtypes!
08:44:19  <V453000> tbh it is quite tough to identify when you two are talking seriously XD
08:45:05  <andythenorth> ok
08:45:07  <andythenorth> so
08:45:21  <andythenorth> put the ratios in a register at cb time
08:45:33  <andythenorth> so up to 255 ratios, one per splitter
08:45:43  <andythenorth> use the saved byte for the lunch
08:45:52  <Pikka> good
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08:46:00  <andythenorth> in fact lunch is 0 or 1?
08:46:05  <andythenorth> or is it 0-F?
08:46:44  <Pikka> well
08:46:57  <Pikka> it depends. are you simulating broken shifts?
08:47:17  <Pikka> you could take the length of the lunch break into account
08:48:31  <Pikka> longer breaks are more effective up to a point, after which the "fuck these 12-hour days" effect starts to kick in.
08:49:44  <andythenorth> well if it’s only a nibble, we can use the other nibble for preselector
08:50:04  <andythenorth> if we bitmask it, we can also check if the driver needs a wee
08:50:23  <andythenorth> with these new variables, we can also have a cb for passenger satisfaction
08:55:03  <andythenorth> Pikka: also we need a bitmask for single man / conductor, and cash / pre-paid tickets
08:55:14  <Pikka> we do
08:55:16  <Pikka> and a callback
08:55:36  <Pikka> with a variable result, as more passengers take up electronic ticketing.
08:55:39  <andythenorth> do some buses have a conductor, but only at busy times?
08:55:45  <V453000> XD
08:55:47  <andythenorth> we’d need to match to the shift pattern
08:56:12  <andythenorth> my local train has two revenue safeguarding personnel in the morning commute
08:56:19  <andythenorth> but only one in the middle of the day
08:56:34  <andythenorth> actually that affects the profit, because some fares don’t get collected
08:56:39  <andythenorth> so we’d need a cb for that
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08:58:08  <andythenorth> also for the buses in Road Hog, some would have Leyland engines, and some Cummins
08:58:23  <andythenorth> is that best done with subtype refit, or a new ID?
09:01:06  <Pikka> random? or by date and don't tell the player.
09:01:20  <Pikka> generational upgrades are definitely a good feature
09:01:31  <andythenorth> no it has to be a player choice
09:01:45  <andythenorth> for routes with more than 6 tiles of continuous slope the Cummins is better
09:01:55  <andythenorth> but for flatter routes the Leyland uses less diesel
09:02:17  <andythenorth> it’s essential to have those kind of choices, or the game will never be popular
09:02:35  * Pikka bbl
09:02:36  <andythenorth> if we want to make the canonical bus simulator, we’re up against moden 3D games like this
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09:02:37  <andythenorth> http://www.busdrivergame.com
09:02:41  <andythenorth> oh he gone
09:02:47  <andythenorth> nvm :D
09:03:12  * andythenorth also
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11:47:07  <Alberth> moin
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11:49:31  <Pikka> moin Alberth
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12:08:41  <argoneus> ayy
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15:22:07  <Eddi|zuHause> Backtrace:
15:22:08  <Eddi|zuHause> =>0 0xe64d6509 in fglrx_dri.so (+0xc77509) (0x19450000)
15:22:13  <Eddi|zuHause> well that's new...
15:33:24  <LordAro> fglrx causing errors is not new :p
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15:34:44  <Eddi|zuHause> maybe, but this kind of error is new to me
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17:06:50  <Wolf01> hello
17:07:10  <Alberth> hello
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17:09:55  <Eddi|zuHause> "people who just want their phone for phoning, should get the Nokia 130, possibly the last of its kind"
17:12:05  <Wolf01> I was talking about that some minutes ago, as my mother is carrying the smartphone's life-support-unit (some 10000mAh battery) everywhere, and I'm already pissed of recharging my old smartphone 2 times a week
17:12:38  <Wolf01> as I use it only to send a SMS or two at month and one call every now and then
17:13:57  <Eddi|zuHause> i  have a not-particularly-smart nokia which has internet and stuff, which i rarely need. i have to charge that about every two weeks
17:14:43  <Eddi|zuHause> i also have that for free, because my boss insisted...
17:15:57  <Wolf01> I use mine for excel and minefield, sometimes I play Monkey Island on the scummvm
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17:27:21  * tokai|noir still uses his old LG phone... around 12 years old now, I think :)
17:27:41  <tokai|noir> The original battery is still good for days with one charge :)
17:27:55  <tokai|noir> (if I keep the lid closed/ display off)
17:29:16  <Jinassi> ngage here, 12 yrs too
17:29:46  <Jinassi> (backup phone)
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17:34:51  <NGC3982> Heh, the Ngage.
17:34:53  <NGC3982> That was something.
17:35:04  <NGC3982> I used to have a LG Viewty.
17:35:24  <NGC3982> Sure, it was a touch phone, but my word we have reached some new heights since then.
17:35:40  <Eddi|zuHause> i thought ngage was some kind of game console
17:36:51  <NGC3982> Wasn't it both?
17:37:30  <NGC3982> "..The N-Gage (a pun on engage) is a smartphone and handheld game system from Nokia, announced on 4 November 2002"
17:38:32  <NGC3982> You know the device was fantastic when the Wikipedia introduction contaigns "Taco".
17:38:35  <NGC3982> \o/
17:39:24  <Eddi|zuHause> i've never ever seen a taco
17:40:11  <Eddi|zuHause> we have Döner, which is way more epic anyway
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18:11:36  <Eddi|zuHause> that was apparently too much for him
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18:26:33  <Alberth> :)
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18:48:23  <Alberth> finished counting?
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19:32:42  <andythenorth> hmm
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20:57:11  <planetmaker> good evening
20:58:31  <peter1138> hi
20:59:47  <V453000> hypm
20:59:50  <V453000> evening is grate
21:01:08  <planetmaker> I hope it's greater than grated ;)
21:01:47  <Taede> ello
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23:30:55  <Wolf01> 'night
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