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[~wolf01@host156-13-dynamic.20-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 09:43:13 <Wolf01> hi hi 09:47:34 *** ginko [~ginko@p200300688F650D2CF2DEF1FFFEABB15E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:47:49 <Alberth> moin 09:52:53 *** SkeedR [~SkeedR@cpc38-wolv14-2-0-cust352.16-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 09:55:14 <Wolf01> pfff one submits a MOC of a SDF-1 and the visits of the profile are multiplied by 20 09:59:52 <Alberth> no idea what that means :) 10:00:02 <Wolf01> http://rebrickable.com/mocs/wolfolo/macross-sdf-1 10:01:03 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-98-197.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 10:01:21 <Alberth> looks very good :) 10:02:28 <Wolf01> yeah, the picture is the best one I ever made 10:02:35 <Alberth> it comes with building instructions even 10:04:07 <Alberth> your earlier lunch-breaker has very good colour use 10:04:30 <Wolf01> I had only those pieces at the time 10:04:41 <Wolf01> now the office is full of lego :P 10:05:27 <Alberth> the background makes a lot of difference, perhaps 10:06:02 <Wolf01> yes it does, I'm thinking of adding a bg to the old MOCs 10:07:10 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:17:11 *** TomyLobo [~foo@ip5b417367.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined #openttd 10:19:45 *** luaduck_zzz [~luaduck@0001c465.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:19:57 *** itsatacoshop247_ [~itsatacos@c-76-102-167-252.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:20:20 *** luaduck_zzz [~luaduck@host86-143-118-112.range86-143.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 10:20:42 *** luaduck_zzz is now known as luaduck 10:21:46 <planetmaker> moin 10:21:55 <Wolf01> hihi 10:30:17 *** Yotson [~Yotson@2001:980:6ac8:1:e94c:2edf:22c4:ce99] has joined #openttd 10:44:07 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@10.87.37.188.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #openttd 10:50:07 *** ginko [~ginko@port-92-194-120-188.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 10:50:45 *** fixpoint [~oftc-webi@c-83-233-40-140.cust.bredband2.com] has joined #openttd 10:51:31 <fixpoint> Hi! I'm trying OpenTTD again after a long break, and I have a question. Am I supposed to use path signals everywhere now? 10:52:53 <V453000> no but noobs will tell you that :) 10:53:20 <V453000> you should use all kinds of signals in the right places 10:53:28 <b_jonas> fixpoint: you can use path signals for most of the places 10:53:50 <b_jonas> but you can still use other signals for some special control 10:53:57 <b_jonas> especially around railway stations 10:53:57 <fixpoint> are there any good guides on what to use where? :) I've built a station and trains get lost around it even though I thought I was pretty explicit with the signals 10:54:22 <b_jonas> fixpoint: you're using a recent version of openttd, right? 10:54:46 <b_jonas> fixpoint: if so, and you can't figure out why your trains get lost, you could try to show screenshots or a savegame so we can help 10:55:11 <b_jonas> or you can look at the openttd wiki (and maybe the openttdcoop wiki) for hints about what signal layouts to use 10:55:20 <b_jonas> but some of the information there is quite old, from before path-based signals 10:57:54 <fixpoint> Yes, the one just downloaded 10:58:56 <fixpoint> Essentially, trains sitting at stations started reserving huge swath of forward tracks - until the next station. Even though I have many signals along the line. I thought PBS reserved track only till the next signal 10:59:07 <fixpoint> Ok, will post a screenshot if can't figure this out :) 10:59:25 <fixpoint> Is there any updated wiki? 11:02:07 <michi_cc> fixpoint: Just in case you read that somewhere, stations do not have built-in signals. So check for signals after the platforms and their direction (facing the platform). 11:04:39 <fixpoint> Thanks! Discovered that the hard way already :-D 11:05:12 <fixpoint> What kind of implicit signal is there at the depot exit? 11:06:10 <Eddi|zuHause> if there are path signals nearby, the depot also has a path signal, otherwise it's a block entry signal 11:08:12 <fixpoint> thanks! 11:09:33 <Eddi|zuHause> fixpoint: if trains reserve too long stretches of signals, make sure the signals inbetween are turned the right way around, or turn them into one-way signals 11:09:39 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, iirc it's a combo signal in depots 11:09:46 <planetmaker> (if not path signal) 11:10:27 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: the combo part would never go into effect, since it can never be red to the outside 11:15:04 <b_jonas> about path signals. when a train reverses in a terminus station, does it wait until it can reserve path till the next path signal, and reverses only at that point? 11:15:33 <b_jonas> this may be a stupid question. I don't really understand how signals work. 11:15:40 <Alberth> it turns around, and waits until it can reserve a path 11:15:57 <b_jonas> I see 11:16:09 <b_jonas> is that also what happens if I reverse a train with the reverse button? 11:16:33 <Alberth> b_jonas: you can do simple experiments with these things in OpenTTD itself :) 11:16:39 <Alberth> I would hope so :) 11:17:13 <b_jonas> yeah, I'll try 11:17:22 <b_jonas> as in, in a sandbox game, not in a real game 11:17:39 <Alberth> either make a dummy game, or press 'save' before trying random experiments 11:17:54 <b_jonas> I guess I should turn on that option to show reserved tracks for this 11:18:10 *** ntx_ [~ntx@a88-115-29-236.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has left #openttd [] 11:18:25 <Alberth> it helps in understanding path signals 11:18:35 <Alberth> it's barely visible with maglev though 11:18:52 <Alberth> not sure about monorail 11:19:02 <b_jonas> and it's a bit ugly 11:19:06 <b_jonas> so I don't leave it on for normal games 11:19:46 <Alberth> I tend to leave it in whatever position the setting is, I don't care much about aesthetics :) 11:21:54 <b_jonas> I wonder if it could make sense to have half path signals (sort of like pre-signals), which behave like a normal path signal from one direction, but in the other direction trains sort of ignore it, so they have to reserve a path from the previous signal till the next signal through it. 11:23:39 <b_jonas> I mean, the route finder sort of tries to look ahead multiple signals, which sort of helps, 11:23:48 <b_jonas> but I'd still like to have explicit reservations this way. 11:25:23 <b_jonas> It probably wouldn't really solve my train control problems though. 11:25:39 <Eddi|zuHause> what do you mean? path signals already are ignored from the other side 11:27:42 <b_jonas> hmm 11:27:43 <b_jonas> ok 11:28:12 <b_jonas> I don't know what I want then 11:31:03 <Alberth> it does look ahead, but a signal is an obstacle, so if you add a signal at every tile, you're effectively reducing look ahead 11:36:53 <b_jonas> I don't add a signal at every tile 11:36:59 <b_jonas> that's what openttdcoop does, not what I do 11:37:24 <b_jonas> (and I think even they put a signal only to every other tile 11:37:44 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@95.76.27.245] has quit [] 11:37:52 <Eddi|zuHause> i usually put a signal every 1-1.5 train lengths 11:40:09 <b_jonas> Eddi|zuHause: yes, that is good because it helps avoid trains getting stuck when they choose to turn back 11:40:49 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has joined #openttd 11:40:57 <Eddi|zuHause> i disable that 11:41:12 <Eddi|zuHause> usually causes more harm than good 11:41:37 <b_jonas> as for the signal lookahead, my problem is that sometimes it chooses to send a train down a track towards another station because the path is more free that way. that's actually sometimes a good decision because it helps trains get unstuck, but sometimes a wrong decision because the path to the station would get free in just a moment. 11:41:43 *** fixpoint [~oftc-webi@c-83-233-40-140.cust.bredband2.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:42:42 <Eddi|zuHause> that means the path penalties are too close 11:42:52 <b_jonas> Eddi|zuHause: on long lines I add a few tracks where trains can turn back, mostly as a safeguard against errors when the normal tracks don't work they way I intended them, 11:43:28 <b_jonas> such as when a train chooses to leave a station for servicing in a depot before it has handled the cargo at that station 11:44:07 <b_jonas> in that case the train should turn back at a turn back track early rather than have to go to the other station and back 11:44:37 <Eddi|zuHause> well, i don't use depots 11:44:55 <Alberth> I build my junctions such that trains can go in all directions 11:45:34 <b_jonas> I try to avoid this by placing the depots before the stations, not after 11:46:10 <Eddi|zuHause> i'd try to avoid this with explicit depot orders 11:46:10 <Alberth> it's a little extra work, but it saves head aches like lost trains, and it can immediately handle new train routes 11:47:10 <b_jonas> Eddi|zuHause: hmm⊠that might work 11:47:28 *** Quatroking [~Quatrokin@ip226-139-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 11:47:33 <b_jonas> do you mean like conditional depot orders? 11:47:44 <Eddi|zuHause> "service at depot" 11:48:19 <b_jonas> wouldn't an unconditional "service at depot" order cause the trian to be serviced too often, wasting too much time? 11:48:28 <Eddi|zuHause> no 11:48:38 <Eddi|zuHause> "service" implies "when needs servicing" 11:48:56 <Eddi|zuHause> the other one is "go to depot", where it doesn't check that 11:49:02 <b_jonas> ah, I see 11:49:28 <Alberth> if you use time tables, having a fixed duration is more useful than trying to be as quick as possible 11:50:00 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah. like "real time kernel" 11:50:25 <b_jonas> thanks, I might try that 11:50:33 <b_jonas> I don't use time tables 11:50:33 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:50:50 <Eddi|zuHause> it's usually slower than "desktop" or "default" kernel, but the fixed lengths makes for better predictability and interactivity 11:51:02 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@46-239-219-51.tal.is] has joined #openttd 11:53:04 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C3785.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 11:54:31 <Alberth> It may even be more effective in the end. You can push a fully deterministic system quite close to 100%, while a system that is quicker but with variations in duration, will fail in that setting 12:02:35 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 12:05:30 <Alberth> o/ 12:12:00 <andythenorth> o/ 12:13:50 <argoneus> ayy 12:13:56 <andythenorth> also bye 12:13:57 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 12:14:07 <argoneus> r u d e 12:16:37 <Alberth> not really, he often visits very briefly, he's probably doing several things at the same time :) 12:17:43 <Eddi|zuHause> and he's probably terrible at staying focused :p 12:19:49 *** mode/#openttd [+v planetmaker] by ChanServ 12:22:32 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4d086cc7.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 12:22:34 *** FLHerne is now known as Guest14 12:22:34 *** SkeedR is now known as Guest15 12:31:52 *** LadyHawk [~LadyHawk@5751e87a.skybroadband.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:32:47 *** MJP [~mjp@hq.z77.fr] has joined #openttd 12:53:42 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 13:22:08 *** TomyLobo [~foo@ip5b417367.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Quit: Standby mode...] 13:23:15 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4d086cc7.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:34:59 *** TheIJ [~rita@188.226.187.103] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 13:35:50 *** TheIJ [~rita@188.226.187.103] has joined #openttd 13:56:04 *** dfox [~dfox@94.142.237.120] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:02:55 *** dfox [~dfox@94.142.237.120] has joined #openttd 14:32:18 *** edog300 [~edog300@5.80.7.44] has joined #openttd 14:32:57 <edog300> !password 14:34:26 <edog300> !password 14:34:37 <edog300> Hmm 14:36:09 <Alberth> try #tycoon or so 14:36:44 <Alberth> or an openttd coop channel, perhaps 14:37:21 <edog300> Oh shoot. You're right - wrong channel. 14:37:33 <edog300> forgot the -coop on chan name 14:37:41 *** edog300 [~edog300@5.80.7.44] has left #openttd [] 14:50:47 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4d086cc7.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 14:51:04 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@D97BA869.cm-3-4c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 14:56:08 *** tycoondemon2 [~ashnohoe@D97BA869.cm-3-4c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:00:25 *** edog300 [~edog300@5.80.7.44] has joined #openttd 15:00:34 *** edog300 [~edog300@5.80.7.44] has left #openttd [] 15:10:31 <argoneus> V453000: wait, you play LoL? 15:19:48 <Alberth> of course he does, what's the point of making a NewGRF if you don't play the game? 15:22:09 <argoneus> Alberth: w-wut? 15:24:44 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6AB98.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:31:25 <__ln__> http://imgur.com/gallery/dRsBOId 15:31:46 <Wolf01> eh 15:32:13 <Wolf01> Noah also forgot the unicorns 15:32:41 <__ln__> Wolf01: explains why they are so rare 15:35:49 *** abchirk_ [~abchirk@p4FE212EF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:37:31 <V453000> argoneus: why the fuck would I do that? 15:37:37 <V453000> do I look like I am 12 years old or what 15:38:15 <argoneus> V453000: maybe you played it a few years ago? 15:38:18 <Wolf01> the best reaction to that question I've ever seen 15:38:21 <argoneus> I googled your name and things check out 15:38:25 * argoneus shrugs 15:39:34 <V453000> I never ever played league of legends or registered there. 15:41:55 <V453000> I did play heroes of newerth and dota2, yes 15:42:38 <V453000> the general politeness and intelligence of the community made me stay with just watching matches instead however 15:44:57 <argoneus> this is why you play with friends 15:52:23 *** Hazzard_ [~Hazzard@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 15:57:13 <V453000> that doesnt justify anything 16:22:52 *** liq3 [~liq3@CPE-120-147-178-81.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 16:28:08 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 16:28:59 <andythenorth> o/ 16:39:25 <Alberth> o/ 16:39:46 <V453000> o/ 16:43:09 <Quatroking> pocket trains is pretty neat 16:50:07 *** ProfFrink [~proffrink@37.86.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 16:51:53 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@37.86.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:51:53 *** ProfFrink is now known as Prof_Frink 16:51:59 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6AB98.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 16:56:37 <andythenorth> kind of empty 16:56:47 <andythenorth> although Iâve spent half of today playing :P 16:57:25 <b_jonas> what's empty? 16:58:08 <andythenorth> pocket trains 16:58:16 <andythenorth> standard casual game 16:58:55 <b_jonas> I see 16:59:17 <b_jonas> is that something related to that other train game that was mentioned here a lot recently? 16:59:57 <andythenorth> nah 17:00:27 <b_jonas> ok 17:16:38 *** Jinassi [~Jinassi@0001ec72.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:18:19 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has left #openttd [] 17:34:42 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has quit [] 17:37:25 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@95.76.27.245] has joined #openttd 17:45:24 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r27069 trunk/src/lang/bulgarian.txt (2014-11-30 17:45:17 UTC) 17:45:25 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:26 <DorpsGek> bulgarian - 3 changes by pdedinski 17:55:54 *** Hazzard_ [~Hazzard@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:01:58 *** Hazzard_ [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 18:12:17 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 18:13:15 <andythenorth> eh? 18:13:29 <andythenorth> what, are they modelling actual train breakdowns in real life now? 18:15:17 *** itsatacoshop247 [~itsatacos@c-76-102-167-252.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 18:22:37 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@95.76.27.245] has quit [] 18:24:58 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has joined #openttd 18:29:38 <Alberth> I'd be surprised if they didn't 18:30:49 <Alberth> If you want a reliable engine or to optimize your servicing, it's quite vital to know how it breaks in general :) 18:31:20 <Alberth> and how often, of course 18:49:32 *** Jinassi [~Jinassi@0001ec72.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:49:57 *** Jinassi [~Jinassi@176-76-65-32.ipv4.mobile.tusmobil.si] has joined #openttd 19:11:36 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6AB98.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:15:52 *** Guest14 [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:29:35 *** itsatacoshop247 [~itsatacos@c-76-102-167-252.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:31:20 *** Jinassi [~Jinassi@0001ec72.user.oftc.net] has quit [] 19:35:30 *** Xrufuian [~Xrufuian@cpe-142-136-204-41.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 19:46:22 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 19:47:20 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-5f747800.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:51:36 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@37.86.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:07:32 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 20:07:35 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 20:38:29 *** liq3 [~liq3@CPE-120-147-178-81.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 20:43:31 <frosch123> hmm, no drama 20:43:43 <frosch123> can't you shedule dramas for when i am gone? 20:44:25 <Alberth> copy/paste stuff not sufficient? :) 20:45:00 <frosch123> didn't read... damn, i probably shouldn't have asked :/ 20:47:39 <Alberth> :) 20:47:50 *** itsatacoshop247 [~itsatacos@c-76-102-167-252.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:48:11 <peter1138> hmm? 20:53:35 <andythenorth> also someone said thanks 20:53:41 <andythenorth> which isnât said enough, maybe 20:53:54 <frosch123> i replied since noone else did :p 20:53:58 <peter1138> rainfall river generator? 20:54:12 <andythenorth> ooh a generator 20:54:17 <andythenorth> oh peter1138 beat me :( 20:54:37 <frosch123> oh, you didn't visit the forums? sorry, that i mentioned them :) 20:56:29 <andythenorth> âneeds diagonal rivers" 21:02:38 *** Suicyder [~Suicyder@86.92.59.88] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Chicks dig it] 21:07:34 <andythenorth> so is anyone trying it? 21:08:40 <planetmaker> andythenorth, did you check rivers from opengfx+landscape? 21:09:36 <andythenorth> Iâve seen them yes 21:09:53 <andythenorth> some time Iâll do an equivalent for TTD base set 21:26:39 *** Hazzard [~Hazzard@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:33:22 <andythenorth> I am so friggng sick of this issue :) https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/7322 21:33:26 <andythenorth> first world problem 21:33:33 <andythenorth> second time reported in a couple of weeks 21:33:46 <andythenorth> and itâs being reported against other vehicle sets frequently 21:35:50 <andythenorth> oh itâs a different variation to the one I fixed 21:35:51 <andythenorth> ffs 21:36:46 <andythenorth> maybe I just disable Iron Horse with ECS 21:37:11 <andythenorth> which of the vectors has tourists? 21:37:26 <andythenorth> and which version do I need to test against? 21:37:29 <andythenorth> George: ? ^ 21:37:43 <George> what? 21:38:02 <George> Town vector has tourists. 21:38:06 <andythenorth> thanks :) 21:38:16 <George> You may use the latest version from bananas 21:38:27 <andythenorth> I have 1.1.2 21:38:30 <andythenorth> seems latest 21:38:55 <George> yes, but I havn't uploaded it to bananas 21:39:25 <George> I'm planing to make ECS 2.0 but not this year 21:39:59 <andythenorth> someone has put 1.1.2 on bananas ;) 21:40:09 <andythenorth> anyway, thanks 21:40:41 <George> I have no problem with that 21:41:05 <George> As for issue I think the problem is not with ECS ;) 21:41:20 * andythenorth wonders why nml is not finding tourist cargo to be bitmask(CC_PASSENGERS) 21:41:43 <andythenorth> I thought I was checking cargo label only for PASS, but I already fixed that issue 21:42:26 <George> Sounds strange 21:42:41 <George> TOUR should be express passengers 21:43:21 <Alberth> gn 21:43:50 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 21:44:11 <andythenorth> yeah 21:45:10 <andythenorth> CC_PASSENGERS 21:45:12 <andythenorth> meh 21:45:21 <andythenorth> http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/NML:Cargos#Cargo_classes 21:45:54 <frosch123> maybe you excluded express 21:46:03 <frosch123> and did not exclude pax for the mail fan 21:47:11 <andythenorth> I get a refit, but using the wrong capacity 21:47:26 <andythenorth> hang on, paste is easier 21:47:56 <andythenorth> https://paste.openttdcoop.org/pqmoli0zw 21:48:05 <andythenorth> returns correct value for pax, returns 100 for tourists 21:48:26 <andythenorth> vehicle only refits pax or tourists, refit appears correct 21:48:33 <frosch123> you are checking for exact match 21:48:37 <frosch123> not for bitmasks 21:48:57 <andythenorth> ta 21:49:18 <frosch123> do s/cargo_classes/cargo_classed & bitmask(CC_PASSENGERS, CC_MAIL) 21:50:22 <andythenorth> is cargo_classed an obiwan? 21:50:29 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:51:19 <frosch123> yes :) 21:51:54 <andythenorth> hmm, so an author has to understand AND masks to use this nml feature? o_O 21:52:03 <andythenorth> clearly andythenorth didnât :P 22:02:41 *** MJP [~mjp@hq.z77.fr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:04:15 <andythenorth> poop 22:04:40 <andythenorth> combine car is split over 2 cargo units, pax + express 22:04:54 <andythenorth> which provides 30 pax standard 22:05:00 <andythenorth> but refits to 60 tourists :P 22:08:02 <andythenorth> ach, canât fix that sensibly 22:09:53 <planetmaker> explicit refit for cargo label? 22:09:58 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C3785.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/nkczDT] 22:10:06 <planetmaker> quite easy to do 22:11:06 <andythenorth> not without making even more special-cased python classes 22:11:17 <andythenorth> the combine car is already ugly special case type checking 22:11:39 <andythenorth> maybe I can do it only by extending current ugly :P 22:11:43 <andythenorth> and not adding new ugly 22:13:51 <andythenorth> yay 22:16:08 <Wolf01> 'night 22:16:14 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host156-13-dynamic.20-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:26:14 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has quit [] 22:28:09 *** Guest15 [~SkeedR@cpc38-wolv14-2-0-cust352.16-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:32:00 <andythenorth> bed 22:32:01 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 22:32:26 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-5f747800.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 22:36:23 *** Pereba [~UserNick@179.180.212.248] has joined #openttd 22:37:52 *** SHOTbyGUN_ [shotbygun@213-186-253-83.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 22:38:13 *** SHOTbyGUN [shotbygun@213-186-253-83.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:48:32 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 22:49:26 *** Yotson [~Yotson@2001:980:6ac8:1:e94c:2edf:22c4:ce99] has quit [Quit: .] 23:07:31 *** Progman [~progman@p57A190CA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:13:21 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: There's a real world out here!] 23:14:18 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 23:20:46 *** Quatroking [~Quatrokin@ip226-139-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:24:05 <argoneus> bayy 23:53:57 *** Xrufuian [~Xrufuian@cpe-142-136-204-41.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Quit]