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00:00:31 <dreck> hsknz well time zone is everything eh? 00:00:39 <dreck> its 19:01 here atm 00:00:56 <dreck> anything you want to just talk about now? :) 00:03:09 <argoneus> nn 00:03:23 <dreck> nights argoneus 00:04:05 <hsknz> well, nothing in particular 00:05:07 <hsknz> :) 00:06:29 * dreck is just punching numbers after numbers :-s 00:06:32 <dreck> heheh 00:16:15 <Wolf01> 'night 00:16:20 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 00:21:01 <dreck> are you from new zealand hsknz? 00:30:07 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:44:09 <hsknz> dreck: yes 00:44:27 <hsknz> sorry for the slow reply 00:44:55 <Eddi|zuHause> by the standard of channels like this one, this is a fast reply :p 00:45:05 <hsknz> :D 00:45:29 <Eddi|zuHause> i've seen conversations that had replies generally after about 12 hours. 00:45:34 <dreck> hsknz thought that was what the 'nz' in your nick was for 00:45:41 <dreck> eddi 12hr is way too slow 00:45:42 <dreck> :P 00:46:09 <Eddi|zuHause> not when the participants are in opposite timezones :p 00:46:44 <hsknz> is there ever much dev talk here? 00:46:59 <Eddi|zuHause> depends 00:47:35 <Eddi|zuHause> usually not at 2AM, though :p 00:47:42 <Supercheese> There is also a dev channel, #openttd.dev 00:47:57 <Supercheese> not that that has seen much action lately, but it comes in bursts when it does 00:48:46 <hsknz> I would like to help out in some way, just not sure what 00:49:40 <Supercheese> well, start by setting up a successful compile/build environment if you haven't done so already 00:49:42 <Eddi|zuHause> the wiki has some entry-level projects that you can dabble in 00:49:52 *** Hazzard__ [~Hazzard@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:50:11 *** Jinassi [~Jinassi@0001ec72.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 00:50:18 <Supercheese> past that yeah there are many improvement ideas but very few obvious "we should do this next" 00:50:51 <Eddi|zuHause> alternatively, you can do add-on development like AI/Gamescript or NewGRFs 00:50:56 * peter1138 attempts to grok dnssec 00:51:38 <dreck> heh 01:23:31 *** dreck [~oftc-webi@modemcable061.44-177-173.mc.videotron.ca] has left #openttd [] 01:58:44 *** smoke_fumus [~smoke_fum@188.35.176.90] has joined #openttd 01:58:47 <smoke_fumus> huh. 01:58:54 <smoke_fumus> um. Why oftc though? 01:59:02 <smoke_fumus> weren't freenode good enough? 02:01:21 <LordAro> if i recall my history, no 02:01:26 <LordAro> lots of spam 02:02:57 <Eddi|zuHause> no, freenode was bad. i don't know why, but it was. 02:03:36 <smoke_fumus> i dunno, they dealth with spam, like, 5 years ago or so 02:04:24 <smoke_fumus> it's mostly clear there right now, lots of game-related channels 02:05:00 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but that's also when we moved away 02:05:16 <Eddi|zuHause> and it's unlikely we're moving back 02:06:55 <smoke_fumus> well obviously. With 120+ users hanging in channel it's never a good idea to move to another network unless some e-cataclysm like closure of server 02:08:56 <Eddi|zuHause> i think we moved somewhere around 2006 02:09:52 <smoke_fumus> ooooh yea. freenode were vile back then. 02:13:25 <smoke_fumus> but from my side, it's another server to add to log-in list. and i already have 10 02:14:55 <hsknz> but worth it :D 02:21:16 <smoke_fumus> i'll be the judge of that..... 02:21:38 <smoke_fumus> anyway. Can anyone explain to me, just how the hell do i play citybuilder? 02:22:39 <Eddi|zuHause> build several stations, so the city grows faster, and then fulfill all requirements it says in the town window 02:23:44 <smoke_fumus> it still doesn't. sometimes population even shrinks back 02:24:28 <Eddi|zuHause> population can drop for a short time, because houses under construction have no population 02:35:40 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6C852.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:47:05 *** MJP [~mjp@hq.z77.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:57:58 *** hsknz [~niko@0001f970.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1] 03:13:32 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 03:13:50 *** luaduck is now known as luaduck_zzz 03:20:25 *** Flygon__ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:27:19 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 04:01:06 *** Jinassi [~Jinassi@0001ec72.user.oftc.net] has quit [] 04:03:48 <smoke_fumus> Eddi|zuHause: internal traffic of mail and passengers count? 04:05:51 <Supercheese> any station that is visited by a vehicle should count 04:06:16 <Supercheese> as long as it is sufficiently close to the town (sign) 04:06:29 <smoke_fumus> so basically i can just spread out tonns of bus/mail stops within the city and that will cover city pop growth? 04:08:40 <smoke_fumus> also, if you guys sick to death of embedded openttd music, i can suggest Cities XL soundtrack - more specifically - pastoral, doing well 1, doing well 2, industrial revolution, all 5 gen atmo and 3 outgame themes 04:15:50 <Supercheese> https://wiki.openttd.org/Towns#Town_Growth 04:23:31 *** Hazzard [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 04:24:14 <smoke_fumus> Ech 04:26:45 <smoke_fumus> it's sad that almost no servers employ trams 04:29:56 *** Hazzard_ [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:36:57 *** Xrufuian 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11:05:30 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:10:00 <planetmaker> moin 11:12:25 <V453000> moo 11:17:03 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 11:18:50 *** Suicyder [~Suicyder@86.92.59.88] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Go on, try it!] 11:19:03 *** Suicyder [~Suicyder@86.92.59.88] has joined #openttd 11:23:37 *** Marshy [~oftc-webi@212.50.186.227] has joined #openttd 11:45:48 *** Yotson [~Yotson@2001:980:6ac8:1:f40e:fbcb:276e:f6b6] has joined #openttd 11:46:25 *** Pereba [~UserNick@179.179.17.185] has joined #openttd 12:00:25 *** Pereba [~UserNick@179.179.17.185] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:00:38 *** supermop_ [~supermop@d110-33-173-28.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 12:07:09 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.157.221.18] has joined #openttd 12:07:32 *** Netsplit graviton.oftc.net <-> reticulum.oftc.net quits: Titilambert, efess, Cybertinus, @DorpsGek, lastmikoi, Fuco, guru3, Speedy, Flippy, Nothing4You, (+67 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 12:08:24 *** fkinglag [~fkinglag@c-66-41-55-107.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:11:47 *** funnel_ [~funnel@81.4.123.134] has joined #openttd 12:13:06 *** funnel [~funnel@0001c7d4.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:13:11 *** funnel_ is now known as funnel 12:13:20 *** Netsplit over, joins: @orudge, SpComb, LordAro, Prof_Frink, KenjiE20, SmatZ, XeryusTC, @peter1138, JGR, George (+66 more) 12:13:26 *** FUZxxl [~fuz@d00m.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 482 seconds] 12:13:51 *** Vadtec [~Vadtec@vadtec.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 482 seconds] 12:15:13 *** Marshy [~oftc-webi@212.50.186.227] has left #openttd [] 12:15:19 *** Marshy [~oftc-webi@212.50.186.227] has joined #openttd 12:15:25 *** fkinglag [~fkinglag@c-66-41-55-107.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 12:16:00 *** Vadtec [~Vadtec@vadtec.net] has joined #openttd 12:17:28 *** FUZxxl [~fuz@d00m.org] has joined #openttd 12:28:18 *** SHOTbyGUN [shotbygun@213-186-253-83.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 12:28:39 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 12:28:59 <andythenorth> this looks pretty good to me http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=182382 12:29:08 <andythenorth> needs nicer curved rivers grf :P 12:31:02 <V453000> ._. 12:31:08 <V453000> looks very binary to me 12:31:17 <V453000> 0: flat as shit, 1: unbuildable hill 12:31:38 <V453000> 0/10 12:31:41 <V453000> :P 12:32:35 <andythenorth> forget the stupid TGP 12:32:38 <andythenorth> look at the rivers 12:34:14 <V453000> cute obstacles? :P 12:34:50 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has joined #openttd 12:34:52 <V453000> but yeah rivers look nice 12:35:47 *** Pereba_ [~UserNick@177.157.220.132] has joined #openttd 12:36:04 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.157.221.18] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:36:08 *** Pereba_ is now known as Pereba 12:36:29 * andythenorth looking through local folder of 1075 ottd images 12:36:37 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:36:38 <andythenorth> looking for one of those stupid inland seas with fishing harbour 12:36:43 <andythenorth> found a load of canadian trains 12:36:47 <andythenorth> canadian trains look nice 12:37:43 <andythenorth> also what a lot of things I have drewed 12:37:45 <andythenorth> and redrewed 12:37:49 <andythenorth> and drewed then deleted 12:39:23 <V453000> 1075 images? 12:39:58 <V453000> ok my save folder seems to contain 3367 saves ._. 12:40:09 <V453000> 3467 even 12:40:16 <andythenorth> every screenie or whatever since 2008 12:40:20 <andythenorth> of newgrf stuff 12:40:34 <V453000> nice :) 12:41:44 <andythenorth> so many bloody ships 12:43:32 <V453000> shits (. 12:44:14 <V453000> needs moar wetrail 12:45:11 <andythenorth> hmm 12:45:18 <andythenorth> Iron Horse is currently my favourite thing to have made 12:45:23 <andythenorth> so much less waste 12:45:27 <andythenorth> trains are so much easier to draw 12:45:38 <andythenorth> and designed from day 0 for gameplay 12:45:46 <andythenorth> not just to include vehicles I found on the internet 12:46:26 *** MJP [~mjp@hq.z77.fr] has joined #openttd 12:47:02 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6D881.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 12:51:22 <V453000> :) 12:51:51 <V453000> I honestly dont quite like the graphics, they lack contrast 12:52:04 <andythenorth> oh well 12:52:07 <V453000> the "use all the shades" thing I repeat all the time 12:52:23 <andythenorth> I am favouring the fact that mostly I didnât have to draw them 12:52:29 <V453000> sure :) 12:52:56 <andythenorth> also I am dubious 12:53:05 <andythenorth> there are not many unused shades in the CC range 12:53:09 <andythenorth> looking at the buy menu sprites 12:53:46 <andythenorth> there is a bit of hotchpotch though, because sprites are multiple sources and authors 12:54:14 <andythenorth> if the ones that bother you match the ones that bother me, Iâll fix them :P 12:54:19 <andythenorth> otherwise going to look the other way 12:54:56 <V453000> hm :) 12:55:12 <V453000> will have a more detailed look later 12:55:29 <andythenorth> gen 1 Flat Car, I am looking at you 12:55:45 <andythenorth> also the gen 3 metro 12:56:18 <andythenorth> hmm some sprites are buy menu clipped also 12:56:20 <andythenorth> just noticed 13:00:25 *** Flygon__ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 13:03:23 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-72-94-147-76.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:03:45 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-72-94-147-76.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 13:07:12 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:08:13 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@88-148-183-199.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:08:43 *** Kurimus 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known issue 13:23:28 <V453000> having an industry randomize outputs is wtf. 13:23:33 <andythenorth> yes, thatâs why I did it 13:23:41 <V453000> bad. :) 13:23:44 <Marshy> Oh no worries, wasn't sure 13:23:45 <andythenorth> BAD FEATURE 13:23:48 <andythenorth> you get 3 per set :P 13:23:51 <V453000> ... 13:23:59 <V453000> it isnt mandatory :P 13:24:26 <andythenorth> FIRS BAD FEATURES: randomised output, supplies, farms 13:25:47 <V453000> no 13:26:35 <V453000> 1. useless cargoes, 2. supplies are very simple / only have 3 stages which is boring after a while, 3. randomized output perhaps :P 13:26:45 <V453000> supplies as a concept are great :) 13:28:41 <argoneus> ayy 13:28:41 <andythenorth> meh 13:28:48 <V453000> not meh. :) 13:29:07 <V453000> ignorance wont lead to 2.X :P :D 13:30:35 <argoneus> http://bropages.org/ 13:30:37 <andythenorth> brogrammers :| 13:30:37 <peter1138> Fook, it's got cold suddenly :S 13:30:37 <andythenorth> 3º 13:30:37 <andythenorth> 3' 13:30:37 <peter1138> ° 13:30:48 <andythenorth> 3° 13:30:54 <andythenorth> copy-paste :P 13:31:00 <andythenorth> one day Iâll find the right key combo 13:32:06 * andythenorth needs typing gloves for this cold 13:32:24 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db002d1.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 13:33:44 <V453000> :d 13:34:28 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 13:34:31 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 13:35:41 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-72-94-147-76.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:35:54 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-72-94-147-76.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 13:41:16 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 13:55:10 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 13:55:22 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: c('~' )o] 13:55:45 *** Jinassi [~Jinassi@0001ec72.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 13:58:12 *** liq3 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users 15:28:50 *** Taede [~Taede@cpc8-linl9-2-0-cust114.18-2.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 15:40:42 *** Hazzard [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 15:42:43 *** smoke_fumus [~smoke_fum@188.35.176.90] has joined #openttd 15:43:44 <smoke_fumus> Ugh. I still don't get city builder. I mean i do basics, but why in the love of god does it razes results monthly? 16:01:43 <frosch123> maybe that's the reason why there are about 20 different things that call themself citybuilder :p 16:02:33 <V453000> solution = dont play it? :P 16:04:17 <andythenorth> more GS needed :P 16:04:42 <andythenorth> neglected 16:06:21 <V453000> more PB needed 16:06:36 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 16:06:36 <Felicitu1> V453000: even if I had a mouse, I could not properly use it as I lack a table in my tent 16:06:46 *** Felicitu1 is now known as Felicitus 16:06:59 <V453000> idk I use mouse on various surfaces all the time :D 16:07:14 <Felicitus> won't work for me, so I asked. 16:07:39 <frosch123> Felicitus: i think you are looking for the polyline patch on the forums 16:08:47 <Felicitus> sounds nice. should try that once I have a proper internet connection and some cpu cycles to compile ;) 16:15:59 *** moffi [~moffi@dsdf-4d0a115c.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:20:57 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:25:12 <smoke_fumus> frosch123: btpro.nl servers 16:43:11 *** Taede [~Taede@cpc8-linl9-2-0-cust114.18-2.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:48:12 *** TomyLobo [~foo@ip5b417367.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined #openttd 16:50:40 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 16:51:27 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-1-81-57-54-15.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 16:51:32 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-1-81-57-54-15.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [] 16:52:10 *** keoz [~keikoz@2001:41d0:51:1::e2] has joined #openttd 16:58:07 *** TheMask96 [martijn@wrath.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:03:12 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 17:03:20 *** keoz [~keikoz@2001:41d0:51:1::e2] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0] 17:03:51 <andythenorth> I think this is actually a valid point http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=72089 17:04:33 <__ln__> well yeah but duh 17:05:01 <andythenorth> if it was measured in hours 17:05:18 <andythenorth> there would be fewer vehicle types needed 17:05:26 <V453000> XD 17:05:30 <V453000> how would years count? 17:05:36 <andythenorth> just working it ou 17:05:40 <andythenorth> out * 17:06:00 <andythenorth> assuming you play 100 year game 17:06:06 <andythenorth> instead it would be only 4 years 17:06:15 <andythenorth> so one generation of vehicles would be enough 17:06:21 <andythenorth> buy menu would be smaller 17:06:29 <andythenorth> newgrf authors would have much easier life 17:06:37 <andythenorth> industry sets would not have to cover wide range of eras 17:06:51 <argoneus> ayy 17:06:58 <andythenorth> I say do it 17:07:16 <andythenorth> it would solve all the daylength requests in one stroke 17:08:19 <peter1138> Quick, sometone get andythenorth his medicine 17:08:19 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:08:23 <andythenorth> people who want a 100 year game could play the current equivalent of a 2400 year game 17:08:33 <andythenorth> itâs about 3.5 years / hour? 17:09:00 <andythenorth> thatâs 30 days of 24/7 play to do 100 years 17:09:05 <andythenorth> I think thatâs about right for the foamers 17:09:16 <andythenorth> a few might die in that period 17:09:30 <andythenorth> someone check my maths? 17:33:28 <Rubidium> well, one normal game year takes about a day, so at a factor of 24 you'd end up around that number 17:35:05 <Rubidium> @calc 24*100*365*74*30/1000/86400 17:35:05 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: 22.5083333333 17:36:26 <Rubidium> (dl factor, years, day-in-year, ticks-per-day, ms-per-tick, ms-per-s, s-per-day) 17:36:38 <andythenorth> do that, call it version 2 17:37:10 <andythenorth> donât worry about scaling industry production or anything 17:37:15 <andythenorth> nor vehicle speeds 17:41:25 *** moffi is now known as Plaete 17:45:54 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r27077 trunk/src/lang/danish.txt (2014-12-08 17:45:49 UTC) 17:45:55 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:56 <DorpsGek> danish - 10 changes by manframe 18:01:57 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:02:00 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 18:14:43 <smoke_fumus> istill don't get why i can't set only specific cargo to be taken and leave rest of cargo 18:15:59 <andythenorth> ? 18:16:03 *** itsatacoshop247 [~itsatacos@c-76-102-167-252.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 18:17:06 <smoke_fumus> andythenorth: i cannot set an order to a train to, say "load only goods from this station but do not load passengers and mail, transfer ones you got from another station" 18:19:02 <smoke_fumus> which is...well retarded. don't you think such features should've been implemented in TRANSPORT sim 18:19:26 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 18:22:12 <frosch123> why does your train transport pax&mail in the first place? 18:23:34 <frosch123> i have not seen any such feature request in the past 10 years, no idea when something like that would be needed 18:23:51 <frosch123> i rather suspect that you are using a passenger engine in a cargo train or something 18:25:20 *** itsatacoshop247 [~itsatacos@c-76-102-167-252.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:27:45 <smoke_fumus> frosch123: you thinking about it from the completely other side. it shouldn't be your concern why nobody requested it before, however it should concern you that such feature is missing in the first place - cargo tables DO exist irl you know? 18:28:27 <frosch123> huh? if a single guy requests a feature, i think to not add that 18:28:32 <frosch123> it adds bloat, and noone uses it 18:29:19 <smoke_fumus> frosch123: this is what's happening right now. http://screencast.com/t/C0iAGwAKHsU a train hauls passengers/mail from finbugrg east to ratbridge onto transfer. Another train should do the same + take all excess cargo from ratbridge but do not load any passengers from there 18:29:20 <smoke_fumus> cargo tables 18:30:14 <smoke_fumus> but because i don't have ability to set specific wagons to take/don't take cargo from the city hub, it, like a retard, takes half of transfered passengers/mail and hauls them between two spots 18:30:24 <smoke_fumus> without offloading 18:30:34 <frosch123> maybe enable cargodist 18:30:41 <smoke_fumus> what, where? 18:31:40 <frosch123> https://wiki.openttd.org/Cargodist 18:32:55 <smoke_fumus> frosch123: where's the button for that? 18:34:23 <frosch123> in the settings, it's written on that page 18:35:42 <smoke_fumus> uh.......i.......don't get it 18:38:00 <smoke_fumus> counter-intuitive as fuck 18:39:39 <andythenorth> what does irl have to do with anything 18:40:00 <andythenorth> orders in TTD arenât per-vehicle 18:40:04 <andythenorth> [shrug] 18:40:43 *** Felicitus [~felicitus@2001:1608:19:fc::2] has left #openttd [] 18:42:05 <andythenorth> also there is a money-back guarantee on the game if not satisfied :) 18:43:00 <hsknz> :) 18:43:59 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:45:15 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 18:46:31 *** Taede [~Taede@cpc4-linl9-2-0-cust57.18-2.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 18:47:14 <smoke_fumus> andythenorth: too bad you can't sue for moral damage 18:48:11 <V453000> ._. 18:49:24 <hsknz> or lost time 18:51:40 <smoke_fumus> hsknz: there is not such a thing in any world-wide laws as 'lost time due self-incompetence so i blame them for my lost time' lawsuit. Moral damage due poor response and enhanced frustration canbe issued 18:51:47 <smoke_fumus> but only for commercial products 18:52:39 <hsknz> :P 18:55:36 <frosch123> you can sue based on enhanced frustration? why does ms still exist? 18:55:54 <frosch123> or adobe? 18:55:57 <hsknz> lol 18:57:18 <smoke_fumus> oh well adobe exists because of their superior PR and also because they made 3 more fortunes from buying whole Macromedia company (they were ones who created both flash and macromedia director) 18:57:23 <frosch123> does it also apply to goverments? 18:58:49 <smoke_fumus> i didn't said you can sue based on enhanced frustration only - if that is because of your own incometence, which can always be proven against you - no. I was talking about advertised product failing to meet expectations and subsequently creating income loss due poor overall product design and objective inability to handle it the way it will work as advertised 18:59:09 <smoke_fumus> which subsequently generates enhanced frustration 18:59:51 <smoke_fumus> ...sometimes i think i should've gone to a law college and take a lawyer proffesion. 19:00:10 <frosch123> yeah, you sound like that :p 19:01:04 <smoke_fumus> on the other hand i sometimes think i should've taken psychologist proficency, because i am also somewhat good at that. But no. Game design for me. 19:01:57 *** luaduck_zzz is now known as luaduck 19:09:01 <andythenorth> there is a standard irony 19:09:10 <andythenorth> that words like âproficiencyâ will be mis-spelt 19:09:22 <andythenorth> âatention to detailâ I see quite often 19:10:02 <b_jonas> heh 19:10:16 <b_jonas> do you read lots of CVs? 19:10:26 <andythenorth> maybe 19:17:13 <smoke_fumus> andythenorth: english's not my native language >_< 19:17:28 <andythenorth> well in that case youâre pretty good at it 19:34:24 *** Marshy [~oftc-webi@212.50.186.227] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:40:29 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 19:41:14 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:43:31 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 19:50:02 <smoke_fumus> i 19:50:37 <smoke_fumus> i know. I just need to finally finish all the crap, earn enough money and move the hell out to either uk or us. US is better obviously, but that greencard bullshit is tedious 19:52:15 <andythenorth> ah the UK 19:52:18 <andythenorth> and itâs lovely weather 19:52:23 <andythenorth> its * 19:52:26 <andythenorth> stupid language 19:53:03 <frosch123> i was at a university with a lot of snow in the winter 19:53:14 <frosch123> everyone complained about that, except one lecturer 19:53:27 <frosch123> he said, he was in uk before, and snow is way better than rain :p 19:54:19 <andythenorth> at least the white brightens the place up a bit 19:54:57 <LordAro> "<smoke_fumus> US is better obviously..." how dare you. 19:55:59 <andythenorth> itâs ok, Nigel will never let him in 19:56:03 <andythenorth> oh but we donât do politics here 19:56:16 <andythenorth> oops 19:57:22 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:57:44 <andythenorth> LordAro: 25° in LA, 56% humidity 19:57:58 <andythenorth> better imo 19:58:22 <LordAro> but what if i like complaining about the weather? 19:58:50 <Rubidium> well, in the US it can be as hot as Hell, in Europe Hell just freezes over ;) 19:59:04 <frosch123> LordAro: isn't complaing about earthquakes more interesting? 19:59:28 <LordAro> frosch123: don't get to do it very often though 19:59:49 <frosch123> complain about there not being enough earthquakes? 20:06:13 <LordAro> :p 20:26:07 <smoke_fumus> LordAro: no disrespect meant. I meant for my personal life goals US would be far more suitable both by amount of placement choices, availble jobs, taxes, etc 20:28:41 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has quit [] 20:30:15 *** Tvel [~Thunderbi@84.40.120.230] has joined #openttd 20:47:28 * Rubidium wouldn't want to live in the US 20:47:53 <andythenorth> bye 20:47:54 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has left #openttd [] 20:48:53 *** itsatacoshop247 [~itsatacos@c-76-102-167-252.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:49:06 *** Tvel [~Thunderbi@84.40.120.230] has quit [Quit: Tvel] 20:58:47 *** b_jonas [~x@russell2.math.bme.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:07:24 *** b_jonas [~x@russell2.math.bme.hu] has joined #openttd 21:19:20 <Wolf01> 'night 21:19:23 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:19:41 <NGC3982> Available jobs in the US? 21:22:10 <Rubidium> NGC3982: yes, many; just one requirement: you're a tech savvy non-American 21:22:39 <Rubidium> caveat: there a limit on the number of tech savvy non-Americans that may enter, which makes it quite unlikely to get such a job anyways 21:25:35 <Supercheese> Immigration is in a ridiculous state here, the people who and try to play by the rules get shafted, so many say screw it and ignore the regulations 21:25:53 <Supercheese> err, who try* 21:26:39 <__ln__> http://www.serolink.org/jeff/pack.gif 21:27:02 <peter1138> Ridiculous state: US employment law... 21:27:21 <Supercheese> Most legislation is just nonsensical these days 21:27:40 <Supercheese> We'll have to start noting page counts for proposed bills using scientific notation 21:28:08 <peter1138> Some countries actually give employees some rights. 21:31:37 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 21:36:07 *** Yotson [~Yotson@2001:980:6ac8:1:f40e:fbcb:276e:f6b6] has quit [Quit: .] 21:37:10 *** TomyLobo [~foo@ip5b417367.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Quit: Standby mode...] 21:43:53 *** Plaete [~moffi@dsdf-4d0a115c.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 21:48:15 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d01adcd.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 21:59:39 *** Quatroking [~Quatrokin@ip226-139-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:21:57 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 22:22:13 <smoke_fumus> Rubidium: yes but as i've said - i am earning money at my current location. By the time i'll move i'll not be employee, but rather employer. 22:30:38 *** Myhorta[1] [~Myhorta@10.87.37.188.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #openttd 22:31:46 <Eddi|zuHause> man, i replaced my mouse, and the new one is way too sensitive :p 22:34:42 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: i wonder what would happen if each native nation would get two seats in the senats, like the other states 22:34:59 <Eddi|zuHause> *senate 22:36:13 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:40:12 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:41:02 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 22:50:27 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 22:50:30 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 23:10:59 *** luaduck is now known as luaduck_zzz 23:22:43 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: There's a real world out here!] 23:25:35 *** Jinassi [~Jinassi@0001ec72.user.oftc.net] has quit [] 23:28:05 *** Jinassi [~Jinassi@0001ec72.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 23:35:18 *** Jinassi [~Jinassi@0001ec72.user.oftc.net] has quit [] 23:36:51 *** supermop [~supermop@d110-33-161-102.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 23:39:04 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc20-stap11-2-0-cust392.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 23:39:23 <argoneus> nn 23:54:02 *** Myhorta[1] [~Myhorta@10.87.37.188.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:57:00 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 23:57:44 *** supermop_ [~supermop@d110-33-181-76.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 23:57:46 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc20-stap11-2-0-cust392.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: JacobD88]