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09:44:49 <andythenorth> oh le wolf 09:44:58 <andythenorth> le wolf ne pas le chat 09:45:06 <Wolf01> hello :D 09:46:38 <Taede> mornin 09:48:07 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B292.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:57:34 <Eddi|zuHause> did you mean "n'est" or "n'ai" 10:00:44 <planetmaker> moin 10:01:31 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 10:01:34 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 10:01:54 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: yes 10:02:22 <andythenorth> also 10:02:37 <Eddi|zuHause> the cat is definitely in front of my door, demanding food 10:02:40 <andythenorth> Iron Horse trains are now normalised to load in 240 ticks 10:02:46 <andythenorth> how long should ships take in Squid? 10:03:25 <andythenorth> vanilla ottd ships appear to load 8x faster than trains 10:03:56 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think that passes as a sensible guideline 10:04:08 <andythenorth> agreed 10:04:18 <Eddi|zuHause> as probably nobody ever thought of ship balance. ever. 10:04:54 <andythenorth> how many train vehicles are unloaded at once? 10:05:04 <andythenorth> I donât know anything about the load / unload algorithm 10:05:18 <Eddi|zuHause> all 10:05:32 <Wolf01> hmm, isn't today the first day, is it? 10:05:45 <andythenorth> so an 8x30t train will load in same time as a 240t ship? 10:06:15 <andythenorth> Wolf01: solstice? 10:06:22 <Wolf01> yes 10:06:24 <andythenorth> yes 10:06:56 <Eddi|zuHause> why would that qualify as "first" over any other day? 10:07:07 <Wolf01> this is the first day I've seen fog at this hour 10:07:24 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-9-215.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:08:48 *** Quatroking [~Quatrokin@ip226-139-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 10:13:13 *** Jinassi [~jinassi@0001ec72.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:17:28 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-82-117.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 10:22:51 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:42:22 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 10:42:26 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 10:45:46 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 10:45:49 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 10:46:12 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 10:47:27 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-82-117.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:50:04 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 10:50:08 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 10:50:41 <andythenorth> lo Alberth 10:50:46 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:50:50 <Alberth> hi hi 10:51:31 <Alberth> lots of people with strong opinions on what fish and firs should do :p 10:51:46 <andythenorth> there are? 10:51:51 <andythenorth> where are they hiding? 10:52:04 <andythenorth> cdist thread? 10:52:16 <Alberth> yep 10:52:28 <andythenorth> I hate this way of thinking, but are forums getting stupider? 10:52:28 <Wolf01> o/ 10:52:42 <Alberth> hi hi Wolf01 10:52:48 <andythenorth> or do I now know too much? 10:53:56 <Alberth> not sure 10:54:40 <Alberth> I am sort of used to it, with people having opinions on what openttd should do 10:55:25 <Alberth> perhaps firs/fish is getting so common that you are getting the same kind of audience 10:55:46 <peter1138> Quick, upload a corrupted copy and run away... 10:56:03 <Alberth> and blame the devs :p 10:56:14 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: i've seen waaaaaay worse forums 10:56:52 <andythenorth> I donât normally go in the âproblemsâ forum 10:56:57 <andythenorth> but lately I did 10:57:00 <Alberth> at least they are investigating, and are showing an interest in how things work 10:57:30 <andythenorth> there are some that seem really insanely dumb 10:57:36 <andythenorth> but I think theyâre about 11 years old 10:57:53 <Alberth> can also be language barrier, in some cases 10:57:55 <andythenorth> the town names one was the worst so far 10:58:01 <andythenorth> nah, these are mostly brits 10:58:16 <Eddi|zuHause> no. the currency one :( 10:58:38 <andythenorth> I can see the confusion there at least 10:58:41 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d00981b.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 10:59:09 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-33-33.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 10:59:13 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:59:17 <Alberth> I think it's mostly a matter of not knowing what the structure is of the mechanisms underneath 10:59:39 <Alberth> we are very good at making up random explanations for things we see :) 10:59:42 <Alberth> hola 11:00:22 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, that happens to me, too :p 11:00:33 <andythenorth> so how fast should ships load then? 11:00:36 <andythenorth> 240 ticks? 11:01:05 <Alberth> would be fine for me, as it's less than infinite :) 11:01:38 <andythenorth> so itâs not weird that 50t ship and 1000t ship both load in 240 ticks? o_O 11:01:45 <frosch123> moin 11:02:15 <Alberth> I never compare different ships that way, but I guess one could 11:02:34 <Eddi|zuHause> making huge ships take longer may be a way to balance them 11:02:39 <Alberth> maybe you want express it in tonnes/tick or so? 11:03:05 <andythenorth> that is how the default loading_speed property works, kinda 11:04:24 <andythenorth> maybe I just set them all loading speed 10 11:04:26 <andythenorth> and done 11:04:49 <andythenorth> same as default 11:05:15 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 11:05:18 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 11:06:29 <andythenorth> actually Iâm just close the ticket and ignore the issue :) 11:06:34 <andythenorth> much simpler 11:06:45 <Alberth> :) 11:07:18 <andythenorth> seems they have loading speeds set already manually 11:08:12 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-33-33.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:08:12 <Alberth> probably, I haven't seen any problems with ship loading speeds, as far as I can remember 11:12:23 <Eddi|zuHause> my gameplay experience is over 3 years old now 11:12:45 <andythenorth> play a game :) 11:12:47 <andythenorth> for Christmas 11:13:08 * andythenorth ponders a stupid GS 11:13:28 <planetmaker> moin 11:14:34 <Alberth> gs-awards? :) 11:14:49 <andythenorth> something like that 11:15:01 <andythenorth> after random number of years, it just says âYou won" 11:15:09 <Alberth> haha! 11:15:13 <andythenorth> dunno, I think it would get me playing the game 11:15:18 <andythenorth> just to see how long it takes 11:15:25 <andythenorth> upper limit 150 years 11:15:26 <Eddi|zuHause> i can't play a game. i would immediately be annoyed about that CETS is not even remotely playable 11:15:39 * andythenorth can understand that 11:15:42 <andythenorth> chicken, egg 11:15:53 <andythenorth> will you finish CETS if you donât play a game? 11:16:13 <Eddi|zuHause> i can't concentrate on CETS 11:16:44 <andythenorth> anyone playing Squid RC? I am thinking of 1.0.0-ing it 11:16:47 <andythenorth> no bugs reported 11:17:04 <andythenorth> I just fixed the âheavy fishâ bug 11:19:49 *** Flygon__ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 11:20:39 <Alberth> I am, seems to work 11:21:54 <andythenorth> winner 11:22:16 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:22:23 <andythenorth> hmm 11:22:27 <andythenorth> âthat will learn meâ 11:22:32 *** chester_ [~chester@37-145-31-14.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:22:33 <andythenorth> two projects, one repo 11:22:38 <andythenorth> FISH and Squid both in same repo 11:22:42 <Alberth> http://devs.openttd.org/~alberth/Heerhugorecht_Transport_1880-03-04.sav 11:22:45 <andythenorth> so I have tags for FISH already 11:23:12 <Alberth> sq-1.0.0? :) 11:23:17 <andythenorth> 2.0.0? 11:23:26 <andythenorth> major version change 11:23:34 <Wolf01> I had the same problem with the components of our CMS, I had to split every component to its own repository 11:23:35 <Alberth> good option 11:23:39 <Rubidium> 2014.12.23? 11:23:52 <andythenorth> Wolf01: thatâs horrible :) 11:23:52 *** blathijs [matthijs@tika.stderr.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:24:04 <andythenorth> weâre just merging all our repos back together where possible 11:24:45 <Wolf01> eh, but we are using composer to get the the required components 11:24:48 <Eddi|zuHause> didn't you already have a FISH 2? 11:24:57 <andythenorth> FISH 2 = Squid 11:25:04 <andythenorth> name needs changed on bananaramas 11:25:09 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 11:25:13 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 11:25:17 <Alberth> and devzone, for that matter :) 11:25:26 <Eddi|zuHause> so then why not name it 2.0? 11:25:39 <andythenorth> agreed 11:25:48 <andythenorth> done 11:25:50 <Alberth> fish2-1.0.0 :) 11:25:52 <Eddi|zuHause> changing names is a terrible idea anyway 11:26:33 <Eddi|zuHause> you established a brand, and then you just throw it away? 11:26:41 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:27:01 <andythenorth> changed devzone 11:27:12 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: what a vandal I am :O 11:27:12 <Alberth> Eddi|zuHause: not like that ever happens in the commercial world :) 11:27:22 <andythenorth> âbrandâ :P 11:27:31 <Eddi|zuHause> Alberth: and almost every time they regret it afterwards 11:27:42 <andythenorth> Iâll live 11:27:49 <andythenorth> well not forever 11:27:59 <andythenorth> but this wonât be the worst mistake Iâll make 11:30:28 <andythenorth> anyone want to rename it on bananas? o_O 11:30:46 <andythenorth> does /me dare highlight truebr*in? 11:31:08 *** Flygon__ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:32:04 *** blathijs [matthijs@tika.stderr.nl] has joined #openttd 11:34:34 <andythenorth> released 11:34:46 <andythenorth> now just have to finish Road Hog :P 11:34:50 <andythenorth> then I can stop doing newgrfs 11:34:57 *** Mucht [~Martin@000128e2.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 11:35:18 *** chester_ [~chester@95-24-214-237.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 11:36:03 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 11:36:06 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 11:37:36 <andythenorth> until itâs time to do FIRS 2 :( 11:39:31 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:40:09 <andythenorth> Feature: sucks less 11:40:42 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 11:52:35 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-69-183.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 11:56:44 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:57:37 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B292.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:09:53 <NGC3982> Bah, i managed to set the wrong autoclean on all my servers 12:10:56 *** Jinassi [~jinassi@176.76.28.133] has joined #openttd 12:13:00 <NGC3982> And everyone got canned. 12:13:58 <NGC3982> By the way, i use the reload_cfg in my configs to make the same settings and NewGRF's apply each automatic (by end year) restart. The bad thing is that the map seed is the same, and so is the map. How can i scramble the seed but not the rest? 12:26:51 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 12:26:54 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 12:31:47 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-69-183.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:31:57 *** Supercheese is now known as Guest2475 12:32:02 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 12:32:06 *** Jinassi [~jinassi@0001ec72.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:38:12 *** Guest2475 [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:51:43 <Rubidium> NGC3982: maybe removing the seed setting from the config file helps 13:04:49 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-202-15.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 13:08:52 *** MJP [~mjp@hq.z77.fr] has joined #openttd 13:09:26 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:13:29 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 13:23:14 *** Hazzard_ [~Hazzard@24.180.42.180] has joined #openttd 13:32:00 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:33:18 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 13:33:21 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 13:34:24 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-202-15.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:53:43 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-78-7.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 13:59:34 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:01:52 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:07:25 *** Cursarion [xrs@adishbestservedworldly.xrs.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:10:53 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 14:21:16 <andythenorth> planetmaker: think this is valid? https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/6495 14:21:21 * andythenorth trying to kill open issues 14:26:55 <frosch123> you can either remove the '&& echo "cc"' part or replace the '2>' with '&>' 14:27:03 <frosch123> but in any case it looks weird to me :p 14:29:02 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 14:31:20 <andythenorth> I have zero knowledge, and no way to test 14:31:47 <andythenorth> bbl 14:31:49 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 14:33:24 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-78-7.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:34:14 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-14-215.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 14:36:07 *** Cursarion [xrs@adishbestservedworldly.xrs.fi] has joined #openttd 14:54:09 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 14:54:12 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 14:54:52 *** smoke_fumus [~smoke_fum@188.35.176.90] has joined #openttd 15:00:29 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-14-215.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:09:08 *** liq3 [~liq3@CPE-120-147-178-81.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 15:17:53 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 15:17:56 <andythenorth> so 15:18:06 <andythenorth> any way for a vehicle to know what date the cargo was generated? 15:18:10 <andythenorth> or is that a non-concept? 15:19:21 <frosch123> that's a non-concept :p 15:19:26 <frosch123> there is cargo age 15:19:37 <andythenorth> in days? 15:19:39 <frosch123> but it is not the real date, but modified by the cargo-aging-property 15:19:41 <andythenorth> ah 15:19:42 <andythenorth> nvm 15:19:57 <andythenorth> if the answer is conclusive ânoâ then Iâll ignore the problem 15:20:44 <frosch123> in any case, the cargo age does not say anything about traveltime in a specific vehicle 15:20:49 <frosch123> due to transfers 15:21:04 <frosch123> other than that, i have no idea what the problem is :p 15:21:20 <frosch123> just use the date-of-last-service 15:21:25 <frosch123> and tell players to send vehicles to depots :p 15:21:57 <andythenorth> got some date-sensitive cargo sprites 15:22:08 <andythenorth> they flip on current_date at the moment 15:22:19 <andythenorth> which is odd, but not the worst thing 15:22:32 <frosch123> just use the service-date 15:22:47 <frosch123> you can also repaint the vehicle then 15:22:48 <andythenorth> wouldnât work for me 15:22:54 <andythenorth> breakdowns off 15:23:01 <andythenorth> and road vehicles donât service without explicit orders 15:23:08 <andythenorth> and setting explicit orders is boring 15:23:29 <Alberth> turn on breakdowns :p 15:23:39 <andythenorth> breakdowns are tedious yak-shaving 15:23:46 <andythenorth> having to set service orders for everything 15:24:00 <andythenorth> itâs just clicks for nothing 15:24:16 <andythenorth> :) 15:24:54 <Alberth> if you turn on servicing, RVs should service themselves, right? 15:25:33 *** liq3 [liq3@CPE-120-147-178-81.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 15:25:43 <Alberth> at least, when you have a depot near enough 15:25:46 <andythenorth> they donât 15:25:56 <andythenorth> they happily drive past depots 15:26:02 <peter1138> They do. 15:26:05 <andythenorth> servicing has been borked for years 15:26:46 <peter1138> Dunno what game you play, but for me they do service. 15:27:38 *** Hazzard__ [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 15:33:50 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 15:33:53 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 15:34:26 *** Hazzard [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:34:42 *** alluke [~oftc-webi@62-78-237-171.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 15:35:42 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:35:43 <Alberth> indeed, just tried it. http://devs.openttd.org/~alberth/Loosvorst_Transport_1950-11-09.sav watch how it fails to not get serviced after loading/unloading pax 15:36:19 <Alberth> maybe you enabled the "disable servicing when breakdowns are off" ? 15:36:22 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:36:57 <frosch123> "fails to not"? :p 15:37:03 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 15:38:18 <Alberth> yep, it fails to skip servicing :) 15:56:07 <andythenorth> Iâll play a game with breakdowns on and post a save when it happens 15:57:00 <Alberth> this is without breakdowns, but with servicing 15:59:42 <andythenorth> well me asserting it is worth nothing without evidence :P 15:59:57 <andythenorth> itâs the main reason Iâve turned breakdowns off though 16:09:14 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.17.18.236] has joined #openttd 16:19:14 *** alluke [~oftc-webi@62-78-237-171.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:19:41 *** alluke [~oftc-webi@62-78-237-171.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 16:22:57 *** Pensacola [~quassel@c80094.upc-c.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:28:18 *** liq3 [liq3@CPE-120-147-178-81.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 17:05:15 *** MTsPony [~MTsPony@008-086-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl] has quit [] 17:07:10 *** MTsPony [~MTsPony@008-086-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl] has joined #openttd 17:09:39 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C3169.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 17:11:36 *** MTsPony [~MTsPony@008-086-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl] has quit [] 17:12:30 *** MTsPony [~MTsPony@008-086-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl] has joined #openttd 17:14:36 *** chester_ [~chester@95-24-214-237.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:17:06 *** chester_ [~chester@95-24-224-174.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 17:19:31 *** TheMask96- [martijn@envy.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 17:23:35 *** Zeether [~Zeether@99-38-92-151.lightspeed.wepbfl.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 17:26:32 *** TheMask96 [martijn@gluttony.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:31:08 *** alluke [~oftc-webi@62-78-237-171.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:31:36 *** alluke [~oftc-webi@62-78-237-171.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 17:46:36 *** Mucht [~Martin@000128e2.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:01:43 *** Suicyder [~Suicyder@86.92.59.88] has joined #openttd 18:03:41 *** alluke [~oftc-webi@62-78-237-171.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:04:07 *** alluke [~oftc-webi@62-78-237-171.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 18:10:49 *** Gantradies [~oftc-webi@101.191.26.161] has joined #openttd 18:11:38 <Gantradies> errm.. this is a bit of an odd question, but is there any way to " 18:11:54 <Gantradies> "fix" a station after it ends up with the wrong cargo delivered to, 18:12:20 <Gantradies> e.g a large station that is the hub for a big oil shipping settup getting oilk in the station near teh refinery? 18:12:40 <Gantradies> i donty even know what caused it this itme, ther's no rigs or wells in range of the station catchment area 18:12:42 <frosch123> nope, still not implemented 18:12:56 <Alberth> not in stable, afaik 18:13:07 <frosch123> hmm, otoh... i think it now stops when the rating drops to low 18:13:25 <frosch123> no idea when that was added, or whether i dreamt 18:14:09 <frosch123> - Feature: Cancel cargo delivery from industries/houses to stations after about 21 months of not having picked up any of the cargo (r26582) <- ah, indeed, 1.5 stuff 18:19:08 <Gantradies> it odesnt seem to 18:19:27 <Gantradies> iave got a station at a factory ( too large with too many different veciicle chains depending on it) to raze, 18:19:48 <Gantradies> thats slowly filling up with grain and livestock and i SWEAR to god the arent any farms in its catchment anymore T_T 18:20:06 <Gantradies> the problem with that, 18:20:41 <Gantradies> is it assumes you have set every single vechicle goign ot the station in question manually to unload only ect 18:20:55 <Gantradies> or have teh time ot manually change the orders of several hundred 18:21:13 <Alberth> euhm, you know about shared orders? 18:21:25 <Gantradies> woudlnt mind an butto to reset the statiosns accept status for a particular cargo back ot the origional one/ dump it out 18:21:40 <Gantradies> i.. ermm. only found trhe wiki page on them yesterday 18:21:48 <Alberth> well, it's fixed in the nighlies / next stable 18:21:59 <Alberth> ie 1.5 18:22:02 <Gantradies> no, i didnt. i havent been looking up much aobut the gmae for the last year and a half 18:22:52 <Gantradies> * is "enjoying" the irony of his rating plummeting because the oil refinery is literally submerged in oil it cant use* 18:23:58 <Gantradies> my whining aobut my own stupidity asside, i dont suppose there's going to be an ability ot click-and-drag whiel buying land? 18:24:24 <Gantradies> having to lcick everfy single square has irritated me since the retail version 18:24:30 <Alberth> even if you can destroy the station and build a new one, you're going to have to fix the orders, or you get in the same problems again 18:24:43 <Alberth> why do you buy land at all? 18:26:05 <Alberth> and the reason for not adding it so far is that it's too easy to make MP completely impossible to play competitively 18:28:54 <LordAro> why not add it to single player only? 18:30:38 <Alberth> why do you buy large amounts of tiles as SP ? 18:41:01 <andythenorth> prevent towns expanding where you plan airports 18:41:02 <andythenorth> ? 18:41:30 *** Yotson [~Yotson@2001:980:6ac8:1:3995:aff4:5462:3f2d] has quit [Quit: .] 18:42:16 *** alluke [~oftc-webi@62-78-237-171.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:44:24 <andythenorth> hmm 18:44:31 * andythenorth can feel stupid.gs creeping closer 18:44:38 <andythenorth> itâs inevitably going to happen 18:44:48 <andythenorth> a whole new spec for andythenorth misunderstand 18:46:46 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:46:49 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 18:53:15 <Zeether> hi 18:53:49 <FLHerne> Zeether: Good evening 18:55:02 <Zeether> so I dunno if it's me but it feels slow starting out in openttd because I do the usual coal route but it takes a while to profit 18:55:47 <Eddi|zuHause> you can make the start faster with higher max loan or lower purchase cost (make the running costs higher if you want difficulty) 18:57:52 <Zeether> I got lower costs on, don 18:57:59 <Zeether> don't really touch loans though 18:59:32 <andythenorth> depending on newgrfs, do pax between 2 cities with 1k+ populations 18:59:42 <andythenorth> about 30-60 tiles apart 18:59:48 <andythenorth> needs fast trains 18:59:56 <andythenorth> high initial cost, but prints money 19:00:42 <Zeether> I always start with coal, run the fast forward then when I have enough cash I just build up cities 19:02:42 *** Jinassi [~jinassi@176-76-7-112.ipv4.mobile.tusmobil.si] has joined #openttd 19:03:00 <Zeether> the japan newgrf has trains that go fast on curves which is nice 19:06:28 <mgpl> hey guys, i wanna go back to playing. is it worth waiting for 1.5 release? or should i go with 1.4. i mean will 1.5 be released this year or its still an unknown 19:07:18 <Alberth> the next week or so is EXTREMELY unlikely :) 19:07:48 <mgpl> ok thanks :) 19:07:57 <Alberth> not in the last place because there have not been any beta or RC releases 19:10:14 *** Hazzard_ is now known as Hazzard_AFK 19:10:29 *** Hazzard_AFK is now known as Hazzard_ 19:10:32 *** Hazzard_ is now known as Hazzard_AFK 19:14:22 <Zeether> has anyone tried a-train before? I got 8 but compared to openttd it's pretty odd and the learning curve's a bit steep 19:17:31 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-17-112.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 19:18:15 <mgpl> i played a-train on an amiga500. it was great ;) 19:22:06 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-89-111.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 19:22:09 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 19:22:17 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:22:56 <Zeether> there's a 3DS version coming here, which I was surprised at since I was sure it was gonna be japan only 19:24:34 <mgpl> so many long nights and homework not done because of a-train. ahh the memories.. 19:26:34 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-17-112.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:26:57 <Zeether> a-train is probably why I love the Japanese newgrfs 19:31:50 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-34-76.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 19:37:01 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:45:56 *** Gantradies [~oftc-webi@101.191.26.161] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:46:35 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 19:59:56 *** itsatacoshop247 [~itsatacos@c-76-102-167-252.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:01:40 <andythenorth> too many zellepins 20:01:43 <andythenorth> below the trees 20:06:30 <andythenorth> hmm 20:06:51 <andythenorth> how long should the vehicles be in / | and \ angles? 20:16:39 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:17:26 <Wolf01> the same length of the - angle, you fool 20:17:57 <Wolf01> since when a rotating vehicle change its length 20:19:38 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 20:21:58 <Wolf01> http://www.psy.ritsumei.ac.jp/~akitaoka/Shepardillusion.jpg see, they have the same size 20:23:23 *** Hazzard_AFK [~Hazzard@24.180.42.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:27:51 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 20:27:54 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 20:31:02 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@46-239-219-51.tal.is] has joined #openttd 20:31:28 <NGC3982> Rubidium: Simply leaving it with no value? 20:31:31 <NGC3982> I guess i could try. 20:32:18 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-34-76.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:32:54 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-148-41.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 20:36:23 <Rubidium> Wolf01: the length of a vehicle depends of the frame of reference (even in the real world) 20:36:48 <Rubidium> Wolf01: having said that, how can you say both objects in that image are the same size? 20:37:31 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:37:39 *** Defaultti [defaultti@lakka.kapsi.fi] has joined #openttd 20:38:06 <Rubidium> e.g. the left one can be at 1 angstrom distance and the other at 1 parsec, then the right one is definitely bigger ;) 20:39:04 <Wolf01> ok, but if you measure the sides, they are the same, just rotated of 90° 20:39:05 <Rubidium> NGC3982: remove the whole line with seed, assuming you use -x that will not add it and "fill" it with the default "generate new seed"-value 20:39:39 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@46-239-219-51.tal.is] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 20:40:43 <NGC3982> I see 20:40:48 <Rubidium> Wolf01: well, the height of the left one is about 70 pixels, the right one 50 pixels ;) 20:40:51 <NGC3982> I do not use -x today. 20:40:54 <NGC3982> I'll try it. 20:42:09 <Wolf01> not the height, the red square 20:42:57 <andythenorth> 20px in â view is 12px in / view 20:43:14 <andythenorth> so 24px in â view should be 14.4px 20:43:30 <andythenorth> maths innit 20:44:01 <Wolf01> draw it how do you want, just draw it pleasing to see :) 20:44:23 <Wolf01> it's still an illusion 20:45:07 <andythenorth> well if I draw it wrong 20:45:10 <andythenorth> it looks wrong :P 20:47:18 <Eddi|zuHause> Wolf01: there are so many things wrong with your so-called "illusion" 20:48:29 <Eddi|zuHause> it's like you show an apple and a pear and then tell people "these are the same shape" 20:49:18 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r27087 trunk/src/disaster_vehicle.cpp (2014-12-21 20:49:15 UTC) 20:49:19 <DorpsGek> -Fix (r26864): the shadow bit of disaster vehicles got cleared after being set to show a shadow 20:52:43 <andythenorth> wookey wookey wookey 21:03:16 <LordAro> a non-translator commit? lies 21:06:15 <andythenorth> bloody articulated trucks 21:06:18 <andythenorth> and their offsets 21:11:02 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@46-239-219-51.tal.is] has joined #openttd 21:16:10 <andythenorth> also I had better draw some more truck cabs 21:16:26 <andythenorth> instead of copying-pasting all the not-so-good ones into every spritesheet 21:16:44 <Wolf01> 'night 21:16:51 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:30:30 <andythenorth> also 21:30:32 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 21:34:58 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@46-239-219-51.tal.is] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 21:48:50 *** luaduck_zzz is now known as luaduck 21:50:11 *** MTsPony [~MTsPony@008-086-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl] has quit [] 21:51:08 *** MTsPony [~MTsPony@008-086-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl] has joined #openttd 21:57:05 <Zeether> are ro-ros better for cash making then terminii since the train has to cover a little more distance 22:00:10 <planetmaker> g'evening 22:00:11 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 22:00:14 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 22:00:33 <planetmaker> Zeether, doesn't matter. overall speed of cargo from station to station is important ;) 22:03:31 <Rubidium> well... technically ro-ros could bring more income (since the time for turning around isn't needed), but it requires that the "full" ro-ro route is the same as the termini route, but then the "empty" ro-ro route is longer than the termini route so it takes longer and thus incurs more running costs 22:04:13 <Rubidium> so in the end termini routes, assuming you have enough capacity, can be better cash makers 22:04:26 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-148-41.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:04:54 <Zeether> I'm trying to remember how I made so much cash because I used to be on a server where I got really rich 22:05:34 <Zeether> right now I'm playing with Japan newgrfs and using terminii but my stations only have 2 tracks each 22:05:39 <Rubidium> but that requires an entry/exit of the terminus station that does not have significant collision points between entering and leaving trains 22:05:49 *** MTsPony [~MTsPony@008-086-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl] has quit [] 22:06:45 *** MTsPony [~MTsPony@008-086-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl] has joined #openttd 22:07:10 <Zeether> kinda wish there was a good server for just building stuff and not competition, btpro is too tough for me 22:07:22 <Rubidium> #openttdcoop welcome server? 22:07:37 <Zeether> didn't know if that was any good, might try it 22:09:12 <Rubidium> the most efficient terminus station layout isn't even on the wiki page :( 22:09:50 <planetmaker> http://blog.openttdcoop.org/2007/10/10/terminus-station-tutorial/ <-- I would think :) 22:09:56 <Zeether> I'm too afraid to use more than 2 track stations I guess because I always have 2 tracks going in different directions 22:10:24 *** Suicyder [~Suicyder@86.92.59.88] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- s0 d4Mn l33t |t'z 5c4rY!] 22:11:31 <planetmaker> don't use stations as junctions. 22:11:45 <Rubidium> planetmaker: not the one I have in mind, and mine is probably more efficient ;) 22:11:53 <planetmaker> have each station track always go every possible direction and you'll be totally fine to use a 64-tracks station 22:12:18 <planetmaker> actually even a 128 or 256 tracks station works then fine :) 22:14:13 <Zeether> http://i.imgur.com/s0QMDzi.png 22:14:15 <Rubidium> https://wiki.openttd.org/File:Sharedepicterminus.png <- I guess that's the one you should aim for in the begin due to simplicity 22:14:19 <Zeether> this is what I did 22:16:39 <planetmaker> Rubidium, actually I'd rather recommend to use path signals in front of the crossings. But that requires at least on train length waiting space between the vertical entry track and the cross in front of the station 22:16:59 <planetmaker> but then, that's optimizing on a high level ;) 22:17:37 <planetmaker> and the gain is minimal 22:17:58 <planetmaker> but noticable at high load (continuous train input) 22:18:36 <planetmaker> however that station in the image is over-sized, 8 tracks should always suffice, if it's a drop station 22:20:00 <Zeether> is that station I did in need of improvement 22:20:22 <Rubidium> http://rbijker.net/openttd/terminus.png <- in case of a drop off, in case of a pick up I'd made the enties slightly longer and put signals near the station 22:20:51 <Rubidium> but then, with more than 6 platforms you usually need more than one entry/exit line 22:21:06 <planetmaker> yup, that's what I meant with over-sized :) 22:21:40 <planetmaker> but for a pick-up with varying output, the size might just be appropriate to accomodate for some fluctuations in load time 22:33:35 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 22:52:24 *** smoke_fumus [~smoke_fum@188.35.176.90] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 23:02:29 *** chester_ [~chester@95-24-224-174.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:04:53 <Zeether> welp 23:05:03 <Zeether> joined openttdcoop, no room for me to build 23:11:22 *** Quatroking [~Quatrokin@ip226-139-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:14:55 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C3169.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/nkczDT] 23:20:16 *** Zeetherdroid [~AndChat68@99-38-92-151.lightspeed.wepbfl.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 23:27:56 *** Zeetherdroid [~AndChat68@99-38-92-151.lightspeed.wepbfl.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 23:28:37 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:34:25 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f816-197.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:35:07 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@88-148-183-199.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 23:59:17 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d00981b.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn]