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<argoneus> hello 11:31:51 *** Progman [~progman@p57A18797.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:06:32 *** szymon [~szymon@ip-93-154-157-83.free.aero2.net.pl] has joined #openttd 12:18:47 *** szymon [~szymon@ip-93-154-157-83.free.aero2.net.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:45:41 *** szymon [~szymon@ip-78-30-119-141.free.aero2.net.pl] has joined #openttd 13:07:45 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:09:16 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d0091ef.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 13:11:31 *** MJP [~mjp@hq.z77.fr] has joined #openttd 13:11:32 *** szymon [~szymon@ip-78-30-119-141.free.aero2.net.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:29:18 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 13:38:25 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 13:41:58 *** Wammler [~534ed715@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 13:43:25 *** mgpl_ [~mgpl@176-58-16-246.net.e-cho.pl] has joined #openttd 13:44:49 *** KouDy [~koudy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:44:52 *** EmeraldNext [~oftc-webi@162-231-200-107.lightspeed.dybhfl.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 13:45:19 <EmeraldNext> So, uh, quick question. 13:46:32 <EmeraldNext> Would it be possible to create a short video series (or video) acting as a tutorial for OpenTTD based directly on the OpenTTD wiki? (with the proper attribution and intro sequence/such) 13:49:29 <EmeraldNext> Would anyone know where I could get permission to do so? 13:49:56 *** mgpl [~mgpl@176-58-16-246.net.e-cho.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:50:42 *** Sheogorath [~madgod@0001f8ef.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:52:48 *** mgpl_ [~mgpl@176-58-16-246.net.e-cho.pl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:53:10 <blathijs> EmeraldNext: Permission for what exactly? To use images of OpenTTD / OpenGFX? 13:53:22 <blathijs> EmeraldNext: Or permission to put something on the wiki? 13:53:24 <Alberth> it's all gpl, so if you give proper credits, go ahead 13:53:44 <EmeraldNext> No, no, just to make a non-profit video that uses the outlined script, as a quick introduction to newer players. 13:53:45 <__ln__> Alberth: it's not 13:54:03 <__ln__> Alberth: the wiki content is under GFDL 13:54:13 <EmeraldNext> __ln__: I'll look up that license, then. 13:54:33 <Alberth> http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/fdl.html :) 13:54:57 *** Sheogorath [~madgod@0001f8ef.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 13:55:17 <Alberth> but coming from GNU, it's likely to have similar terms of use 13:55:26 <EmeraldNext> Thanks, Alberth - Guess that isn't a problem, although I'm not sure how I can apply it to a youtube video - unless I'm mistaken - let me check very quickly, since Creative Commons isn't an adequate sub 13:55:33 *** JGR [~JGR@host86-135-53-120.range86-135.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:55:57 *** JGR [~JGR@host86-135-53-120.range86-135.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 13:56:29 <EmeraldNext> Well, I guess I'll just put it in the description of the video then, noting its copyleft nature (and all derivative work/reproductions must carry the same license) plus a noting of the original source very clearly at the start. 13:56:34 <EmeraldNext> Thank you very much for your assistance. 13:56:48 <Alberth> Be clear where you got the information from, and how people can find things on their own 13:57:17 <Alberth> that also fits your purpose of a tutorial 13:57:38 <EmeraldNext> Yes, I don't mean for this to be the only reference source and I intend to very strongly emphasize the content of the Wiki over my own work. 13:58:04 <Alberth> I am not so sure the wiki is that interesting tbh 13:58:23 <EmeraldNext> It's a very good reference source, but not structured well, in my personal opinion, for newcomers. 13:59:30 <Alberth> the initial tutorial is nice, but a bit simple 13:59:40 <EmeraldNext> The Quick Start guide has some gaping holes in defining the logic of OpenTTD (well, I guess I could campaign for a change if it should come to such matters) but this is all plans I need to get to work, lest this ambition is to disappear beneath time. 13:59:41 <Alberth> then you have a large amount of nothing 14:00:02 <Alberth> and then at the other end, loads of random stuff for advanced/specific goals 14:00:30 <Alberth> you may want to check out the tutorial game script 14:00:57 <argoneus> why do people like zbase so much 14:01:03 <argoneus> isn't that thing more proof of concept 14:01:05 <argoneus> it looks like lego 14:01:27 <Alberth> argoneus: many games look like that perhaps? 14:01:38 <argoneus> name two :< 14:01:55 <Alberth> I don't know, I never use zbase 14:01:56 <frosch123> argoneus: i suspect people like that you can zoom in 14:02:16 <EmeraldNext> Well, general idea - A - Goal (sandbox, basics of how goods are transported/why goods are transported) B - How to achieve goal - various basic means of transportation available/station interactions C - most efficient in most circumstance, train networks, and signaling D - City Growth 14:02:51 <EmeraldNext> Thank you all very much for your help, but I've got some work to get to. OpenTTD is one of my most very favourite games, so I'm looking forward to a chance to give back to this community. 14:02:56 <Alberth> city growth?? since when is that an OpenTTD goal? :) 14:02:56 *** EmeraldNext [~oftc-webi@162-231-200-107.lightspeed.dybhfl.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:04:24 *** KouDy [~koudy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 14:05:31 *** Wammler [~534ed715@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:10:55 *** andythenorth [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has joined #openttd 14:17:50 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sloth.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:24:25 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 14:32:24 *** chrswk [~chrswk@213.188.55.61] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:59:23 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:02:03 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 15:11:28 *** andythenorth [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 15:22:39 *** Quatroking [~Quatrokin@ip226-139-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 15:24:19 *** Suicyder [~Suicyder@86.92.59.88] has joined #openttd 15:27:36 *** Hazzard [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 15:30:13 *** andythenorth [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has joined #openttd 15:34:26 *** Hazzard__ [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:03:19 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.40.220.12] has joined #openttd 16:04:06 <Alberth> o/ 16:06:37 <andythenorth> o/ 16:09:33 <LordAro> o/ 16:14:28 *** andythenorth [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 16:22:42 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-162.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 16:36:13 *** Hazzard_AFK [~Hazzard@24.180.42.180] has joined #openttd 16:38:13 *** Hazzard_AFK is now known as Hazzard_ 16:40:26 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:43:25 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:43:28 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 16:43:38 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:03:25 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:04:19 *** mgpl [~mgpl@176-58-16-246.net.e-cho.pl] has joined #openttd 17:23:28 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:28:14 *** TheMask96 [martijn@gluttony.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 17:29:31 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:40:20 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 17:45:34 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r27089 trunk/src/lang/esperanto.txt (2014-12-23 17:45:30 UTC) 17:45:35 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:36 <DorpsGek> esperanto - 24 changes by polluks 17:52:54 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 17:54:05 *** Pensacola [~quassel@c80094.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 18:09:35 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:09:38 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 18:25:49 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 18:37:59 *** Hazzard_ is now known as Hazzard_AFK 18:50:24 <andythenorth> so is it dying then? o_O 18:50:29 <andythenorth> or is it just christmas? 18:52:50 *** FredH [~fredh@host-92-21-193-105.as13285.net] has joined #openttd 18:54:43 <FredH> Hay, Do you guys know if there is a way to have two versions installed on a system? I have 1.4.4 and I would like to install 1.2.1 too. 18:56:01 *** FredH [~fredh@host-92-21-193-105.as13285.net] has quit [] 18:56:18 *** FredH [~fredh@host-92-21-193-105.as13285.net] has joined #openttd 18:56:47 <frosch123> just install it into a different directory 18:57:37 <FredH> The installer is saying that there is a more up-to-date version already installed 18:57:41 <FredH> and exits 18:57:43 <andythenorth> I have craploads of them all in one folder on OS X 18:57:55 <andythenorth> sorry, that may not help :) 18:58:20 <frosch123> then do not use the installer, but the zip 18:58:30 <FredH> K, that would make more sence 18:59:54 *** Hazzard_AFK [~Hazzard@24.180.42.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:00:17 <FredH> Thanks guys! 19:03:21 *** Pensacola [~quassel@c80094.upc-c.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:07:11 <FredH> It is coming up with Failed to select music set 'OpenMSX' I have DLed the openMSX file but is there something else that I need to do? 19:09:53 <frosch123> just reselect it 19:10:01 <frosch123> the installations share the configuration files 19:10:26 <frosch123> sometimes there are minor incompatibilities, so you have to reconfigure stuff after switching versions 19:11:04 <FredH> So reinstall 1.2.1 19:11:12 <frosch123> no 19:11:29 <frosch123> just reselect the music set in the game options 19:11:49 <FredH> Ill try thansk 19:12:48 <Zuu> If a setting is renamed, and you go backward in history the old version will not know about that a newer version save it as a different name (or format). 19:14:47 <FredH> The message is coming up when I load the .exe, Is there a folder that the msx needs to be put in? 19:15:06 <frosch123> use the in-game content download to install it 19:15:13 <frosch123> that's easier 19:15:35 <FredH> The Openttd window is just black 19:16:15 <frosch123> i thought you got an error message 19:17:09 <FredH> There s nothing but the error window 19:18:05 <frosch123> is the error window a separate window? 19:18:14 <frosch123> can you just close it? 19:18:28 <frosch123> otherwise you may try to delete openttd.cfg 19:18:30 <FredH> Yes but The TTD window closes too 19:19:39 <Zuu> openttd.cfg contains all your settings, so you may want to move it eg. to your desktop. 19:19:47 <FredH> I can not find the cfg file 19:20:02 <Zuu> C:\Users\FredH\OpenTTD\openttd.cfg 19:20:31 <FredH> Thanks, but tis not there... 19:20:53 <Zuu> It can also be in the installation directory of OpenTTD. 19:21:09 <Zuu> But only if you create it there. 19:22:21 <Zuu> The readme.txt has a sectin that explains where OpenTTD looks for openttd.cfg, music, sound and graphics base sets. 19:22:27 <Zuu> section* 19:22:51 <FredH> Everything in the file is extracted from the install sip file 19:23:11 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C3D72.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 19:25:33 <Zuu> openttd.cfg is created by openttd.exe upon first time starting it. 19:25:52 <Zuu> Your 1.4 install should have one openttd.cfg file somewhere. 19:26:31 <Zuu> Your problem may be related to that 1.2 finds that openttd.cfg file and can't understand it correctly. 19:27:33 <Zuu> Another option (to deleting it) is to create an empty openttd.cfg file in the installation directory of 1.2. This will cause 1.2 to download online content into the install directory and other things and thus it has to be writeable. 19:29:34 <FredH> K ill try that! 19:31:09 <Zuu> Basically an openttd.cfg in the same directory as openttd.exe will make it ignore the OpenTTD directory in C:\Users\you\Documents 19:31:26 <FredH> Perfect! 19:31:45 <FredH> Thanks! 19:33:44 <Zuu> You're welcome. If you want to further understand this, I recommend the readme (located in the installation directory) 19:36:02 <FredH> It will be my bed-time reading tonight! 19:36:04 <FredH> Thanks! 19:36:16 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:36:57 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 19:37:45 * andythenorth waves at Zuu 19:38:03 * andythenorth is pondering GS 19:38:07 * Zuu waves back 19:38:30 <Zuu> andy likes to poundering on GS ideas :-) 19:38:40 <Zuu> IIRC it was this time of year NoCarGoal was written. 19:40:16 <andythenorth> need something to do at christmas, right? 19:40:32 <andythenorth> I should probably work on Road Hog 19:40:35 <andythenorth> itâs even kind of fun 19:40:50 <andythenorth> but I need to play test games.... 19:41:03 <Zuu> Not really. IRL will keep me busy this christmas I think 19:41:24 <andythenorth> me also 19:41:36 <andythenorth> 2 kids, wife working most days 19:42:19 <Zuu> no kids or wife but guests and dinners 19:43:02 <andythenorth> NoCarGoals would be fun 19:43:17 <andythenorth> it just recycles the goals continuously 19:45:25 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host44-14-dynamic.31-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 19:46:11 <Wolf01> hello o/ 19:51:04 *** luaduck_zzz is now known as luaduck 19:51:42 *** FredH [~fredh@host-92-21-193-105.as13285.net] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 20:03:30 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:04:33 <Zuu> EcoCarGoal? :-) 20:15:10 <andythenorth> ha ha 20:15:39 * andythenorth thinks that GS doesnât have to be perfect 20:15:41 <andythenorth> just different 20:15:46 <Wolf01> names for a pet rock? I thought about "fluffy" 20:36:26 *** Progman [~progman@p57A18797.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:47:16 *** Hazzard_AFK [~Hazzard@24.180.42.180] has joined #openttd 20:47:29 *** Hazzard_AFK is now known as Hazzard_ 20:59:49 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 21:01:00 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 21:13:11 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 21:21:15 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:26:12 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-162.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:29:03 *** mgpl [~mgpl@176-58-16-246.net.e-cho.pl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:33:20 *** Hazzard_ [~Hazzard@24.180.42.180] has quit [Quit: Goodbye.] 21:39:59 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 22:12:58 *** Suicyder [~Suicyder@86.92.59.88] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The alternative IRC client] 22:14:36 *** BambooFingers [~Bob@c-2ec3a974-74736162.cust.telenor.se] has joined #openttd 22:15:28 *** BambooFingers [~Bob@c-2ec3a974-74736162.cust.telenor.se] has left #openttd [] 22:16:47 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d0091ef.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 22:30:43 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has quit [] 22:33:25 *** Yotson [~Yotson@2001:980:6ac8:1:ecc2:45a2:769f:18fe] has quit [Quit: .] 22:36:38 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 22:38:01 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 22:46:40 *** MJP_ [~mjp@hq.z77.fr] has joined #openttd 22:50:13 *** Jinassi2 [~jinassi@176.76.73.144] has joined #openttd 22:50:38 *** MJP [~mjp@hq.z77.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:53:09 *** Jinassi [~jinassi@0001ec72.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:09:29 *** Jinassi2 [~jinassi@176.76.73.144] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 23:12:10 <Wolf01> 'night 23:12:18 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 23:13:11 *** Jinassi [~jinassi@176.76.101.211] has joined #openttd 23:22:37 *** mgpl [~mgpl@176-58-16-246.net.e-cho.pl] has joined #openttd 23:29:12 *** luaduck is now known as luaduck_zzz 23:54:36 *** smoke_fumus [~smoke_fum@188.35.176.90] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]