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00:04:58 *** supermop [~supermop@d210-49-171-146.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 00:06:41 <supermop> yo 01:02:40 *** Gantradies [~oftc-webi@101.191.86.42] has joined #openttd 01:04:43 <Gantradies> hey 01:04:44 <Gantradies> erm. 01:04:48 <Gantradies> bit of an odd question 01:05:07 <Gantradies> is there somewhere where i can nab the 1.4.4 Winx64 stable installer srtill? 01:05:37 *** JezK [~jez@2407:7800:400:107f:3db5:daca:8457:e66a] has joined #openttd 01:05:50 <Gantradies> our server's running 1.4.4 and i dont know linuix well enoguh ot update it wityhout the fear of screwing something up ( our admin insisted on a linuix console session, something aobut less load) 01:06:21 <Supercheese> there should be 01:06:53 <Gantradies> first look on the site only has donwloads for the new version available, and im still sleepy right now 01:06:54 <Supercheese> http://us.binaries.openttd.org/binaries/releases/1.4.4/index.html 01:07:04 <Gantradies> thank you! 01:07:09 <Supercheese> or you can choose a closer mirror if you aren't in the US 01:07:27 <Gantradies> any major changes in the new version i sohudl know aobut? oyuk now, anything big? 01:08:02 <glx> it should pick the closest one if you remove the us. part 01:08:31 <Supercheese> yeah was copypasted before I could edit 01:08:43 <Supercheese> could/thought to 01:30:23 *** Mek [~quassel@marijnalexwedding.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:40:04 *** smoke_fumus [~smoke_fum@188.35.176.90] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 01:43:43 *** Mek [~quassel@marijnalexwedding.com] has joined #openttd 01:51:13 *** Gantradies [~oftc-webi@101.191.86.42] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:14:49 *** Myhorta[1] [~Myhorta@10.87.37.188.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:16:59 *** Biolunar_ [Biolunar@x4d08f307.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #openttd 02:23:57 *** Biolunar [Biolunar@x4d083307.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:33:43 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 02:58:47 *** Pikka [~Octomom@203-206-161-219.perm.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 03:04:52 *** skrzyp [~skrzyp@2a03:b0c0:2:d0::3a0:1001] has left #openttd [WeeChat 1.2] 03:06:54 *** liq3 [liq3@CPE-120-147-178-81.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 03:19:23 *** DarkenMoon [DarkenMoon@2602:100:6028:c90e:30d4:b1f2:4696:2af9] has joined #openttd 03:55:44 <supermop> quiet day 04:06:00 <Supercheese> mas o menos 04:39:53 <supermop> anyone have an oculus rift? 04:49:02 <Supercheese> nope 04:56:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC66501.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 04:56:16 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC67EF8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 05:02:38 *** Pereba [~UserNick@186.212.248.31] has quit [Quit: AdiIRC - powered by Vikings (www.adiirc.com)] 05:05:57 *** zwamkat [~zwamkat@vuursmurf.smurfer.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:10:32 *** zwamkat [~zwamkat@vuursmurf.smurfer.net] has joined #openttd 05:12:32 *** zwamkat [~zwamkat@vuursmurf.smurfer.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:12:54 *** zwamkat [~zwamkat@vuursmurf.smurfer.net] has joined #openttd 05:13:24 *** zwamkat [~zwamkat@vuursmurf.smurfer.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:18:39 *** zwamkat_ [~zwamkat@vuursmurf.smurfer.net] has joined #openttd 05:24:06 *** zwamkat_ [~zwamkat@vuursmurf.smurfer.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:24:54 *** zwamkat [~zwamkat@vuursmurf.smurfer.net] has joined #openttd 05:30:20 *** zwamkat [~zwamkat@vuursmurf.smurfer.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:31:59 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 05:32:01 *** zwamkat [~zwamkat@vuursmurf.smurfer.net] has joined #openttd 05:32:07 <andythenorth> o/ 05:32:09 <andythenorth> also pikka 05:33:11 *** zwamkat [~zwamkat@vuursmurf.smurfer.net] has left #openttd [] 05:33:59 <supermop> not sure how wide this thing is from pictures 05:34:06 <supermop> dont think i'll model it 05:45:37 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 05:54:41 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 05:59:23 <andythenorth> hmm 05:59:26 <andythenorth> also bah] 05:59:27 *** DarkenMoon [DarkenMoon@2602:100:6028:c90e:30d4:b1f2:4696:2af9] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:00:56 <supermop> just modeled a building across the street from my project for no real reason 06:01:45 <supermop> 17x36m though so a bit awkward to shoehorn into ottd tiles 06:03:13 <supermop> 1.5x3 tiles, maybe i can scale it by 2/3 without the windows looking bizarre 06:22:53 <andythenorth> nml spritesets have identifiers 06:23:05 <andythenorth> which nml will expand to hex IDs at compile time 06:23:23 * andythenorth assumes 06:25:37 <andythenorth> meh 06:25:38 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has left #openttd [] 06:30:19 <Eddi|zuHause> random ramblings are random? 06:40:42 <V453000> . 06:43:51 <supermop> yep 06:49:06 *** Johnnei [~Johnnei@D57DCA52.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #openttd 07:16:45 <Pikka> hello hello 07:17:48 <supermop> yo 07:19:40 <Pikka> what's the haps? 07:22:15 <supermop> modelling buildings on this block: 07:22:17 <supermop> https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-37.813143,144.966925,3a,75y,14.92h,95.65t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sdASJzqUcFoPDVPC89bd9iQ!2e0!6m1!1e1 07:22:46 <supermop> first the deco tower, now the terrace shophouses next to it 07:23:31 <supermop> when can we pay pineapples for pineapples? 07:23:35 <supermop> or pledge 07:29:11 <Pikka> late next month probably :) 07:29:53 <supermop> nice! 07:30:00 <Pikka> nice block, trams and everything 07:30:55 <supermop> i was doing work work for something in one of the buildings, and thought maybe i should model a few across the street for context 07:31:02 <supermop> and got sidetracked 07:31:45 <supermop> a melb house set really need those awnings over the sidewalk in some cases 07:35:15 <supermop> ok going to run to coles back in a few 07:39:35 *** roidal [~roland@62-46-136-44.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 07:45:21 *** Pecio [~fgh@dqw141.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 07:53:03 <V453000> the latest nightly causes desyncs even with paused game :0 07:53:23 <V453000> k maybe not but desyncs :0 08:07:23 <Pikka> oops 08:10:38 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 08:11:01 <Pikka> herr thenorth I presume 08:21:45 <andythenorth> it is 08:21:59 <andythenorth> what is 0 || 0 || 1 08:22:01 <andythenorth> 1? 08:22:03 <andythenorth> or 0? 08:22:52 <^Spike^> 1 08:22:58 <^Spike^> atleast if it is normal programming 08:25:25 <andythenorth> ta 08:28:07 <supermop> wet socks 08:28:15 <supermop> and tram had to reboot 08:31:29 <Pikka> so 08:31:42 <Pikka> is adjusting cargo decay rate a bad feature? 08:32:14 <V453000> I do it, I justify it as "slugs are eating cargo" 08:32:24 <V453000> in reward they get increased power :D 08:33:19 <Pikka> on the one hand, hidden stats are bad. 08:33:57 <V453000> aint hidden, red text :> 08:34:06 <Pikka> on the other, it seems necessary to widen the performance gap between buses and coaches... 08:34:46 <V453000> makes sense actually yes 08:34:56 <Pikka> buses and trams 08:34:56 <V453000> but I would just increase load speed 08:35:13 <V453000> long distance busses with long load speed makes them stupidly unfit for city centers 08:35:21 <Pikka> yeah 08:35:28 <V453000> then you can make them very fast and with ok capacity 08:35:30 <Pikka> but the problem is not that coaches are too good at short distance 08:35:37 <Pikka> the problem is the buses are too good at long distance :P 08:35:56 *** wicope [~wicope@0001fd8a.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 08:35:58 <V453000> if they have stupidly bad loading speed, a normal bus with good loading speed and half the speed will win 08:37:09 <Pikka> I'm thinking buses (and trams) should have faster decay, while coaches keep the same decay as other vehicle types 08:37:20 <Pikka> a no-toilets malus 08:38:51 <V453000> mh 08:40:01 <andythenorth> I do it for some stuff 08:40:16 <andythenorth> refrigerated 08:43:22 <supermop> i think it makes sense 08:43:53 <supermop> otherwise there is really no point in a coach/intercity train/etc 08:44:39 <V453000> many people wont care about profits 08:45:01 <V453000> and the difference will be so small in the global scope of a bigger network that it isnt very strong argument 08:45:13 <Pikka> true 08:45:18 <Pikka> there are other distinctions 08:45:27 <Pikka> but I'm trying to make a distinction in profits also :) 08:45:55 <andythenorth> hide_sprite: (construction_state != 3) || LOAD_TEMP(13) || LOAD_TEMP(128); 08:46:00 <andythenorth> doesnât :( 08:46:08 <andythenorth> even when LOAD_TEMP(128) = 1 08:46:19 <andythenorth> what do I do wrong :( 08:51:49 <Pikka> NML is all welsh to me 08:52:52 <andythenorth> yeah 08:54:16 <andythenorth> in time-honoured fashion 08:54:18 * andythenorth gives up 08:55:42 <andythenorth> I store 1, but itâs read as 0 08:55:43 <andythenorth> meh 08:56:23 <Eddi|zuHause> <Pikka> I'm thinking buses (and trams) should have faster decay, while coaches keep the same decay as other vehicle types <-- that was basically the intention behind the feature 08:56:37 <Pikka> yes 08:56:45 <Pikka> doesn't necessarily make it a good feature, though ;) 08:57:01 <Pikka> it works for me, I'll stick with it for now. :) We'll see what testers think, one day. 08:59:11 <supermop> i'd be happy making no money on most bus legs if it meant getting people around smoothly to other legs 08:59:29 <Eddi|zuHause> and you know you can un-hide a feature with CB23? :p 09:00:16 * andythenorth is so crap at bool 09:00:29 <andythenorth> (1) is false 09:00:34 <andythenorth> but (1 == 1) is true 09:00:36 <andythenorth> why? 09:00:55 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe it's not actually 1? 09:01:26 <andythenorth> (LOAD_TEMP(128)) is false 09:01:31 <Eddi|zuHause> or maybe the specs are weird 09:01:37 <andythenorth> but (LOAD_TEMP(128) == 1) is true 09:01:45 <Eddi|zuHause> or maybe nml does invalid operations 09:01:58 <andythenorth> I suspect that nml evaluates 1 == True in some places, but not others 09:02:50 <andythenorth> or more likely, Iâm doing it wrong 09:03:10 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 09:07:14 *** Pikka [~Octomom@203-206-161-219.perm.iinet.net.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:12:10 <__ln__> anyone been to Gibraltar and/or Ceuta? 09:13:01 <andythenorth> does using LOAD_TEMP() destroy the register contents? 09:13:23 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 09:26:43 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:31:29 *** andythenorth [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has joined #openttd 09:34:57 <andythenorth> reading a register twice produces different values 09:35:10 <andythenorth> maybe 10:04:59 *** AbsoluteVeritas [~|Truth|@c-73-177-155-170.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 10:10:21 *** Klanticus [~quassel@179.234.179.109] has joined #openttd 10:11:03 *** |Truth| [~|Truth|@c-73-177-155-170.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:11:27 <andythenorth> yeah 10:21:28 *** shirish [~quassel@117.195.114.128] has joined #openttd 10:22:20 *** Bhoren [~quassel@LAubervilliers-656-1-270-96.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 10:47:21 <andythenorth> ha 10:47:27 * andythenorth had multiple switches 10:47:36 <andythenorth> scribbling over the same register 10:47:42 <andythenorth> took a while to find that :P 10:53:58 *** shirish [~quassel@0001358e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:03:02 <andythenorth> hmm 11:03:03 <andythenorth> works 11:03:07 <andythenorth> but compiles slower :) 11:03:12 <andythenorth> that was 6 hours well spent :) 11:07:30 <V453000> XD 11:07:49 <andythenorth> winning 11:07:59 <andythenorth> but eh, I learnt some things about registers 11:17:18 *** supermop_ [~supermop@d210-49-171-146.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:24:08 *** supermop [~supermop@d210-49-171-146.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:25:38 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:28:05 <andythenorth> yay 11:28:08 <andythenorth> now actually faster 11:28:13 <andythenorth> probably about 5s, averaged 11:28:31 <V453000> what are the new features? :P 11:28:34 <andythenorth> faster 11:29:12 <andythenorth> hide_sprite calculations are down once instead of (count of building sprites) * (num date variations) * ([snow, non-snow]) 11:29:21 <andythenorth> down / done /s 11:29:30 <andythenorth> so wastes less OpenTTD time also 11:30:11 <andythenorth> @calc 16 * 4 * 4 * 2 11:30:12 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: 512 11:30:13 <andythenorth> yeah 11:30:19 <andythenorth> once is better than 512 times 11:30:32 <andythenorth> per industry 11:30:53 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: you should probably give the registers names, instead of using the numbers. helps in keeping things unique 11:31:01 <andythenorth> yes 11:31:08 <andythenorth> I am going to do that 11:31:20 <V453000> nowai 11:31:39 <andythenorth> afaict, nml doesnât provide any shorthand for that 11:31:45 <andythenorth> I can do it in the compile though 11:31:53 <Eddi|zuHause> no, but that's what you have macros for 11:32:11 *** Supercheese is now known as Guest5788 11:32:14 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 11:32:16 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 11:32:16 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 11:33:21 * andythenorth considers *not* removing all the CPP 11:33:33 <andythenorth> itâs remarkably convenient for trivial identifiers 11:37:38 *** Guest5788 [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:38:38 <andythenorth> eh 50s compile with primed caches 11:38:51 <andythenorth> pretty poor, but better than 71s 11:41:16 *** JezK [~jez@2407:7800:400:107f:3db5:daca:8457:e66a] has quit [Quit: :q!] 12:03:57 *** roidal_ [~roland@62-46-143-58.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 12:04:12 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 12:08:38 *** roidal [~roland@62-46-136-44.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:33:25 *** andythenorth [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 12:51:26 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has joined #openttd 13:01:06 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc20-stap11-2-0-cust392.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 13:27:54 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc20-stap11-2-0-cust392.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: JacobD88] 13:30:49 *** andythenorth [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has joined #openttd 13:35:21 <andythenorth> how can I make it faster? 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18:11:17 *** Celestar [~Celestar@fire3.tngtech.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:12:20 <andythenorth> so I managed to make FIRS compile about 6 seconds faster 18:12:50 <andythenorth> took me about 8 hours 18:13:06 <andythenorth> good result eh? 18:14:21 <frosch123> how many irc lines? 18:14:29 <andythenorth> couple of hundred? 18:14:46 <frosch123> good result? 18:14:54 <andythenorth> think so 18:15:20 <andythenorth> a full compile with primed caches is now about 52s 18:15:40 <andythenorth> firs.nml is 10.9MB instead of 14.1MB 18:16:00 <andythenorth> the resulting grf is 3.2MB instead of 5.2MB 18:16:10 <andythenorth> previous compile was about 71s 18:17:23 <Eddi|zuHause> just remember that for every hour you spend writing code you spend 9 hours maintaining that code 18:17:24 <frosch123> so you deleted lots of stuff :p 18:17:36 <andythenorth> I deleted lots of generated code 18:17:55 <andythenorth> look up the snow tile once per spritelayout, not ~512 times 18:17:58 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r27289 trunk/src/3rdparty/squirrel/squirrel/sqcompiler.cpp (2015-05-20 20:17:50 +0200 ) 18:17:59 <DorpsGek> -Fix: some uninitialised instance variables 18:18:17 <andythenorth> also no longer runs out of registers trivially in the graphics chain 18:18:32 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r27290 /trunk/src/os (3 files in 3 dirs) (2015-05-20 20:18:26 +0200 ) 18:18:33 <DorpsGek> -Fix: sanitize the command line arguments before doing anything complex with them 18:21:19 *** Celestar [~Celestar@fire3.tngtech.com] has joined #openttd 18:24:09 * andythenorth has run out of obvious ways to make FIRS faster now 18:24:35 <andythenorth> been wondering about one text cb switch chain instead of 66 18:24:39 <andythenorth> dunno 18:32:17 <andythenorth> commenting the text switches out makes no difference to compile time 18:32:18 <andythenorth> interesting 18:39:34 <argoneus> good morning train friends 18:40:02 *** Klanticus_ [~quassel@179.234.179.109] has joined #openttd 18:41:47 <V453000> I can make you such vehicle frosch123 18:42:00 <V453000> try nuts, idk how brightness goes there 18:42:07 <V453000> slugs/maglev has a lot of CC 18:42:13 <frosch123> ok :) 18:43:12 *** Klanticus [~quassel@179.234.179.109] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:44:38 <argoneus> V453000: can you into 3d graphics in general? 18:45:31 <V453000> wat? 18:45:37 <argoneus> like bump maps, specular/diffusion lighting etc 18:45:42 <V453000> is that a sentence? :D 18:45:56 <V453000> yes I know some stuff about it 18:45:58 <frosch123> his sentence a verb :) 18:46:13 <V453000> I yes 18:46:37 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc20-stap11-2-0-cust392.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 18:46:37 <argoneus> :< 18:46:40 <argoneus> stop bullying me 18:47:09 <frosch123> he, it's one of my favorite responses to broken sentences 18:47:13 *** Klanticus [~quassel@179.234.179.109] has joined #openttd 18:47:28 <V453000> :) 18:47:39 <frosch123> not sure where i learned it 18:47:42 <frosch123> maybe from dalestan 18:48:00 <argoneus> V453000: do you know what anisotropic filtering is? 18:48:13 <V453000> yes 18:48:17 <argoneus> wow 18:48:21 <argoneus> teach me 18:48:23 <argoneus> senpai 18:48:41 <argoneus> im trying to into 3d 18:48:44 <argoneus> but there's a lot of stuff to learn 18:49:18 <V453000> well, anisotropy is when the "thing" like reflection is like transformed to sides 18:49:30 <V453000> in short it is used to simulate brushed materials, typically brushed metal 18:50:22 *** Klanticus_ [~quassel@179.234.179.109] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:50:29 <Rubidium> isn't that just a fancy word for polaroid filters? 18:50:54 <V453000> regardless what software you are using, most of the terms will be same/similar with this http://www.blenderguru.com/articles/cycles-shader-encyclopedia/ 18:51:01 <V453000> idk Rubi :) 18:52:57 <Rubidium> interesting how abbreviations get abbreviated even more, so the text could be interpreted in two completely different ways 18:53:00 <andythenorth> looks to me like anistropic deals with anti-alias blur of a texture that is mapped onto a receeding plane 18:53:15 <argoneus> the way I understood it 18:53:15 <andythenorth> anisotropic * 18:53:23 <argoneus> textures are usually mapped to a rectangular area 18:53:31 <argoneus> except like in a game you see the textures under an angle 18:53:40 <argoneus> and anisotropic filtering is supposed to map the texture properly to the angled texture 18:53:43 <argoneus> else it's blurred 18:53:51 <argoneus> to the angled model* 18:53:52 * Rubidium thought 3D works only in triangles 18:53:56 <V453000> I guess you could explain it that way 18:54:06 <argoneus> there's tris and quads 18:54:07 <argoneus> :< 18:54:08 <andythenorth> looks like edge enhancement to me 18:54:16 <V453000> it kind of does Rubi but yeah :) 18:54:33 <V453000> quads always have a triangulating diagonal which splits it to triangles 18:54:49 <V453000> or any other polygons larger than quads or whatnot 18:54:51 <andythenorth> instead of averaging neighbouring pixels (resulting in mush), it seems to preserve contrast and hue whilst reducing the pixel dimensions 18:55:18 * andythenorth only read wikipedia page about it, probably lies 18:55:38 <argoneus> isn't anisotropic filtering a different layer from nearest neighbour / bilinear / trilinear filtering? 18:55:54 <Rubidium> you shouldn't have said that... now we can't use your talk about it here as source for the wikipedia page 18:56:01 <V453000> probably not argoneus 18:56:21 <V453000> idk what exactly bilinear and whatnot filtering does but I think that is more related to sampling of the render 18:56:23 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host246-73-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:56:30 *** Ttech [~ttech@72.14.179.207] has joined #openttd 18:56:33 <V453000> (how pixels of the result are approximated etc) 18:56:33 <Wolf01> hi hi 18:56:38 <argoneus> oh 18:56:44 <argoneus> anisotropic filtering is a better trilinear filtering 18:56:48 <andythenorth> nearest neighbour = smush 18:56:49 <argoneus> that works for angled things 18:56:55 <argoneus> apparently 18:57:04 <V453000> while anisotropy is a property of the material where the shader behaves that way 18:57:12 <andythenorth> photoshop has similar filters when resizing 18:57:13 <V453000> I think at least, that is how I know it 18:57:16 <andythenorth> itâs easy to see the results there 18:57:21 <V453000> okay 18:57:28 <V453000> :D 19:10:01 <andythenorth> so FIRS coal mine 19:10:06 <andythenorth> needs re-implemented for reasons 19:10:24 <andythenorth> currently uses TTD default tiles and layouts, swaps the sprites 19:10:35 <andythenorth> should I keep the layouts, or do new ones? 19:10:49 <andythenorth> http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/push/LATEST/docs/html/industries.html#coal_mine 19:10:56 * andythenorth outsources decisions :P 19:17:14 <Alberth> assuming it's not going to be very much different, I'd just keep what you have 19:17:23 *** Bhoren [~quassel@LAubervilliers-656-1-270-96.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:18:13 <andythenorth> winner 19:18:31 <Alberth> hmm, coal... power plant... I read mb's proposal on ECS, he proposes sulphur as output cargo (just above 2.2 http://www.ttdpatch.de/ecs.html ) 19:18:51 *** Bhoren [~quassel@LAubervilliers-656-1-270-96.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 19:18:55 * andythenorth would consider building materials 19:19:08 <Alberth> as input, so it can be burned :p 19:19:26 <andythenorth> hmm, Michael gets so much right imho 19:19:30 <andythenorth> shame he wonât play nicely :P 19:21:43 <andythenorth> FIRS is pretty much in-line with original ECS idea 19:21:57 <Alberth> it quite is 19:22:33 <Alberth> but given the source (some standard classification of industries), it's not that surprising 19:23:04 <Alberth> you've been thinking about such things too for a long time 19:24:20 <andythenorth> he :) 19:31:29 <Eddi|zuHause> <argoneus> there's tris and quads <-- shouldn't it be "tetras"? 19:31:42 <argoneus> I think they're called quads specifically Eddi|zuHause 19:31:49 <argoneus> but I could be wrong 19:31:55 * argoneus paging V453000 19:38:56 <frosch123> ten years ago there were triangle fans an strips 19:39:28 <frosch123> all with the purpose to draw as many triangles as possibly with as little individual vertices being transfered to the gpu 19:44:38 <Eddi|zuHause> i would assume there's little optimisation potential there, given that you're working with mostly planar graphs 19:54:33 <frosch123> you mean "little left"? 19:54:53 <frosch123> because triangle fans/stips safe 2/3 of data compared to single triangles 19:55:20 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe i'm just not completely understanding the context 19:56:14 <Eddi|zuHause> of course, submitting individual triangles basically triples the data... 20:01:35 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 20:01:50 <michi_cc> The big bottleneck of today's GPUs (and driver architectures) is submitting commands to the GPU. Whether you need one or three vertices per triangle doesn't matter much when one options means you can draw them in a single batch. 20:06:18 *** wicope [~wicope@0001fd8a.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:14:59 *** DDR [~david@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 20:17:41 <Wolf01> mmmh, night all 20:17:46 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 20:18:06 *** Supercheese is now known as Guest5847 20:18:10 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 20:18:41 *** roidal_ [~roland@62-46-143-58.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.1.1] 20:22:36 *** Guest5847 [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:27:41 *** Progman [~progman@p57A18045.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:27:54 *** DDR [~david@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:28:15 *** DDR [~david@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 20:33:24 *** DDR [~david@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:33:46 *** DDR [~david@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 20:37:54 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc20-stap11-2-0-cust392.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:40:17 * andythenorth needs a random start / stop animation 20:40:32 <andythenorth> or I cheat, and just fill out a lot of spacer frames :P 20:42:47 <Eddi|zuHause> what's the difficulty? 20:43:16 <Eddi|zuHause> default industries randomly start and stop their animations, right? 20:45:50 <andythenorth> yeah 20:46:09 <andythenorth> I tried implementing it a few weeks ago, but failed 20:52:24 <andythenorth> seems to need switching spritelayouts 20:52:32 <andythenorth> rather than relying on the animation 20:53:09 <andythenorth> canât be sensible 20:55:42 <andythenorth> must be a better way :P 20:56:22 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 21:07:32 *** Klanticus [~quassel@179.234.179.109] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:19:06 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc20-stap11-2-0-cust392.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 21:23:35 *** frosch123 [~frosch@x5f746a25.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 21:29:08 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:35:49 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc20-stap11-2-0-cust392.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: JacobD88] 21:43:50 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6CC66.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:54:41 *** shirish [~quassel@59.94.120.137] has joined #openttd 21:55:16 *** shirish [~quassel@0001358e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:03:10 *** Biolunar [Biolunar@x4d08f307.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #openttd 22:29:59 *** DDR [~david@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:30:21 *** DDR [~david@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 22:45:02 *** Pikka [~Octomom@203-206-161-219.perm.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 23:01:57 *** Bhoren [~quassel@LAubervilliers-656-1-270-96.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:04:35 *** Pereba [~UserNick@186.212.248.31] has joined #openttd 23:16:23 *** Compu [~quassel@cpe-67-241-224-121.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 23:21:58 *** CompuDesktop [~quassel@2604:6000:120a:a013:a5a9:30d:3e3b:7915] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:27:37 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@46-239-218-77.tal.is] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 23:32:30 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@46-239-218-77.tal.is] has joined #openttd