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[~Myhorta@10.87.37.188.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #openttd 15:04:43 *** shirish [~quassel@117.195.125.8] has joined #openttd 15:06:02 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:09:14 *** frosch123 [~frosch@x4d0098f0.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #openttd 15:11:15 *** wicope [~wicope@0001fd8a.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:11:30 <luaduck> Forwarding a question from /r/openttd: has the idea of an in-game version updater ever been considered by the team? 15:13:21 <__ln__> what would be the point? 15:14:00 <Eddi|zuHause> like windows nags you to update to windows 10? 15:14:03 <luaduck> for some reason, a number of users this update seemed to query it 15:14:19 <Hiddenfunstuff> For some reason it seems too much effort to go to the website and download new version 15:14:20 <luaduck> I think they just want something like "click here to update to the latest version" ala NewGRFs 15:14:28 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 15:14:30 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 15:14:30 <luaduck> yeah I do agree it seems like major laziness on their part 15:14:32 <Hiddenfunstuff> it doesnt even require unisntallations or anything.. it saves even the settings.. 15:14:44 <Hiddenfunstuff> it takes like 3 mins max.. 15:14:56 <Eddi|zuHause> luaduck: but this poses all kinds of "run as administrator" problems 15:15:15 <Eddi|zuHause> not sure if it's worth the hassle 15:15:19 <Hiddenfunstuff> Ah yes windows permission problems, we have dismissed that claim.. 15:15:43 <luaduck> one of the guys complaining made a comment on our 1.5.1 post, feel free to comment back http://www.reddit.com/r/openttd/comments/387bnv/openttd_151_has_been_released/crt0gk2 15:16:32 <luaduck> I've never seen it as a problem personally but clearly some people feel strongly enough about it to make a post 15:16:41 <luaduck> even though making that post probably took longer than downloading the update 15:17:05 <Eddi|zuHause> it's probably a valid question. but i don't see it happening any time soon 15:18:00 *** Compu [~quassel@2604:6000:120a:a013:a920:a3a1:961c:df76] has quit [Quit: brb] 15:18:11 <Alberth> it'd need support at all our platforms 15:18:45 <Eddi|zuHause> Alberth: that is not a valid reason at all. download of opengfx on first startup isn't supported on all platforms either 15:19:26 *** dfox [~dfox@94.142.237.120] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:20:09 <Taede> also, should it handle updating to non-stable version? 15:20:17 <Eddi|zuHause> no. 15:20:19 <planetmaker> g'evening 15:20:27 <planetmaker> you'd probably choose update-plans :) 15:20:46 <planetmaker> however there is https://wiki.openttd.org/OpenTTD_Updaters 15:21:06 <planetmaker> automatically updating probably is not even what most players want. 15:21:11 <Taede> yup 15:21:19 <planetmaker> they want an update to whatever their favourite server runs 15:21:23 <Taede> they want the version that runs on the server they wish to join 15:21:31 <planetmaker> and that's solved by all those auto-updaters listed in that webpage 15:22:55 <Hiddenfunstuff> theres no end to some people's laziness 15:23:29 <planetmaker> Hiddenfunstuff, automatically updating to the server you want to join seems a reasonable request to me 15:23:44 <Eddi|zuHause> laziness drives a large portion of invention and engineering 15:23:51 <planetmaker> ^^ 15:24:13 <Hiddenfunstuff> Yep.. sadly to wrong direction sometimes 15:24:20 * Hiddenfunstuff looks at automatic transmission 15:25:07 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm terrible at driving automatic. i always want to step on the clutch... 15:25:39 <Hiddenfunstuff> It might be good on small cars.. heavy vehicles? Absolutely no.. 15:25:39 <planetmaker> automatic transmissions certainly aren't either 15:26:00 <Hiddenfunstuff> Once i nearly killed somebody on the road because of the gearbox downshifting and making the wheels lose all traction 15:26:39 <Eddi|zuHause> there are certainly some terrible solutions to automatic transmission out there 15:27:44 <planetmaker> technology can fail. However most road accidents are due to human error. So... doesn't sound like technology is the one to be put to question there 15:28:05 <planetmaker> we will get the fully automatic car. Not this decade. Maybe not next. But probably during our lifetime 15:28:23 <Alberth> hmm.... 15:28:26 <Hiddenfunstuff> That as well but untill the machines can see properly whats infront of itself.. not just lazors but the road condition.. I will never let the car decide what it does 15:29:01 <Hiddenfunstuff> for sake of all drivers, i hope those self driving trucks never make it to public 15:29:07 <Alberth> You should read more Asimov :) 15:29:22 <planetmaker> I read it all, Alberth :) 15:29:28 <planetmaker> well. Most of him 15:30:24 <planetmaker> Hiddenfunstuff, *you* may choose not to have your car decide for you. *I* will be happy to have that option when I'm tired and just want a nap on the way back from a weekend trip 15:30:42 <planetmaker> and image recognition isn't that bad already 15:31:09 <Hiddenfunstuff> I avoid new cars anyways.. they're full of electronics that will fail in few cycles of winter here 15:33:43 <Hiddenfunstuff> road salt sludge water mixture does intresting things to your car and all exposed wiring.. 15:33:44 <Eddi|zuHause> Hiddenfunstuff: i'm sure many said that 100 years ago when the first cars came out. or 150 years ago about trains. or about steam ships, or... 15:34:23 <Hiddenfunstuff> indeed.. the first thing people said when first trains came out that was it? 24kph speed is way too dangerous for humans.. 15:34:48 *** dfox [~dfox@94.142.237.120] has joined #openttd 15:35:56 <Hiddenfunstuff> But from my point of view where i spend more time on the road than at home in my life, I rather have control over the vehicle myself and not some computer. Because computers do fail.. its just when. and how many dies when it happens 15:36:37 <Flygon> Hiddenfunstuff is the sort of guy that'd thrive in the world of Mad Max 15:36:49 <Hiddenfunstuff> Probably yeah 15:36:52 <Flygon> :D 15:36:55 <Flygon> But yeah 15:36:57 <Flygon> I fully getcha 15:37:02 <Flygon> I'd like a Telsa... but 15:37:13 <Flygon> Holy fuck that touch screen alone is fucking horrifying 15:37:28 <Flygon> Why can't I have a car with the dashboard and centre console of my '94 Magna? 15:37:34 <Flygon> Is that too much to ask for?... 15:37:38 <Flygon> Just... turn the keys on 15:37:38 <Hiddenfunstuff> considering how i know my way around the machines and that I can hold a hammer and blow torch.. Yeah i probably do fine.. 15:37:42 <Flygon> Tune to the radio station 15:37:52 <Flygon> Drive to whereever the fuck I want to go 15:38:05 <Flygon> I shouldn't have to pull over, stare at a touch screen, just to tune a fucking radio 15:38:18 *** Compu [~quassel@2604:6000:120a:8025:6c4e:9bac:c2e4:5791] has joined #openttd 15:38:31 <Flygon> Then again, I'm the guy that's fucking pissed his current car doesn't have a tape player 15:38:35 <Flygon> ...or aux in 15:38:37 <Flygon> Awkward year :U 15:38:42 <Flygon> ('07 Falcon) 15:38:45 <Hiddenfunstuff> Yeah.. tesla is crossing the point of.. too fancy, too overengineerd for simple task 15:38:53 <Hiddenfunstuff> I have a tape player but no aux in! 15:38:57 <Flygon> It's annoying... the Tesla would otherwise be perfect 15:38:58 <Flygon> Uh 15:39:02 <Flygon> Tape players ARE aux in 15:39:17 <Flygon> Just get a headphone jack>cassette adaptor 15:39:17 <Hiddenfunstuff> I mean the 3.5mm jack 15:39:30 <Hiddenfunstuff> How does that even work? 15:39:30 <Flygon> Yes, tape players can accept raw 3.5mm input with a physical adaptor 15:39:50 <Hiddenfunstuff> does it record it onto the tape on the fly and then the deck reads it? 15:39:51 <Flygon> The tape's prongs directly connect with the tape player's heads 15:40:04 <Flygon> And dummy tools trick the radio into thinking the tape is playing 15:40:08 <Flygon> Zero conversion happens 15:40:11 <Flygon> It's just a raw physical adaptor 15:40:25 <Hiddenfunstuff> mind blown 15:40:25 <Flygon> Raw analogue audio and tape audio are electronically compatible 15:40:47 <Hiddenfunstuff> Damnit! I can listen to modern music while i'm driving! 15:41:01 <Flygon> :D FLYGON SAVES THE DAY 15:41:02 <Hiddenfunstuff> not some "best of 1989" tapes 15:41:03 <Flygon> But yeah 15:41:09 <frosch123> [17:28] <planetmaker> we will get the fully automatic car. Not this decade. Maybe not next. But probably during our lifetime <- the funny thing is that we probably get no automatic cargo trains :p 15:41:10 <Flygon> I wish my car had a tape player 15:41:11 <Hiddenfunstuff> or ancient mixtapes 15:41:15 <Flygon> I wanna play my 80s and 90s mixtapes 15:41:23 <Rubidium> Hiddenfunstuff: then what do you say about Google's self driving cars? All accidents were either when the vehicle was driven manually, or when the self driving vehicle was hit by another car 15:41:25 <planetmaker> hm... no, frosch123 ? 15:41:27 <Flygon> frosch123: That's very true 15:41:43 <Flygon> planetmaker: They won't exist in Australia. Too stronger rail lobby. 15:41:52 <frosch123> planetmaker: automatic only makes sense for small vehicles 15:42:00 <frosch123> for big ones, it is not worth the effort 15:42:00 <Hiddenfunstuff> Rubidium.. Would you let a machine control a truck with total mass of 76 tons (metric) 15:42:08 <Flygon> HOWEVER 15:42:17 <Rubidium> Hiddenfunstuff: yes 15:42:21 <Hiddenfunstuff> you are insane 15:42:23 <Flygon> I also forgot Australia DOES already have semi-automatic freight trains 15:42:37 <Flygon> And semi/fully-automatic trucks 15:42:46 <Flygon> But they're only used in the mining industry 15:42:54 <Flygon> And are isolated from the public roads/rail system 15:42:55 <Hiddenfunstuff> yeah far from civil traffic 15:43:12 <Rubidium> Hiddenfunstuff: really? Do machines get tired? Do machines want to go home? Do machines get heart attacks? 15:43:20 <Hiddenfunstuff> No, but machines get broken 15:43:22 <Flygon> But, yeah. A huge fuss about ATO is being made here in Melbourne... 15:43:24 <Flygon> But 15:43:25 <Eddi|zuHause> Hiddenfunstuff: so, would you let a HUMAN control a truck with total mass of 76 tons (metric)? 15:43:29 <Flygon> I'm not sure it'll ever eventuate 15:43:39 <Eddi|zuHause> Hiddenfunstuff: humans make errors 15:43:42 <Hiddenfunstuff> I am driving a 76 ton combination, and last time i checked, i'm human 15:43:44 <Flygon> The Metro lines share tracks with freight trains, V/Line trains, maintainence trains... 15:43:58 <Flygon> Hiddenfunstuff: Is it a War Rig? 15:43:59 <Hiddenfunstuff> when i was driving an 68 ton automatic truck.. that thing nearly killed somebody 15:44:02 <Eddi|zuHause> Hiddenfunstuff: and statistically, humans probably make more errors than machines. 15:44:08 <Hiddenfunstuff> no, just a standard delivery truck 15:44:11 <Flygon> :( 15:44:12 <frosch123> Hiddenfunstuff: Eddi|zuHause: why do you care whether you are run over by a 1 ton or 76 ton vehicle? 15:44:27 <Flygon> frosch123: Conservation of momentum 15:44:35 <Hiddenfunstuff> just saying that 76 ton vehicle takes a shitloads of longer distance to stop.. 15:44:38 <Flygon> I'd take the 1 tonne vehicle 15:44:49 <Hiddenfunstuff> and 1.5 ton renault doesnt stop the truck's speed much 15:44:57 <Hiddenfunstuff> Yes, it does do damage but it doesnt stop it 15:45:04 <Flygon> The only way you're gonna stop a 76 tonne vehicle quickly 15:45:18 <Hiddenfunstuff> is to drive it to a ditch or off the road 15:45:23 <Flygon> Is if it's a train/tram, and you apply those electromagnetic anchors to the tracks 15:45:23 <frosch123> Flygon: do you want to hide behind the street light or something? 15:45:28 <Flygon> But even then 15:45:32 <Flygon> If you're going fast enough 15:45:41 <Flygon> You'll probably wreck the train/tram and kill all the occoupants 15:45:46 <Eddi|zuHause> i've seen tanks stop nearly instantly 15:45:56 <Flygon> Tanks use treads, not wheels 15:46:02 <Hiddenfunstuff> and tanks do not weight 70 tons 15:46:11 <Hiddenfunstuff> or well.. some do but generally they are lighter 15:46:11 <Flygon> Of course it'll stop. It has near perfect adhesion to the road 15:46:14 <Hiddenfunstuff> around 30-40 tons 15:46:24 <planetmaker> there's a good reason that things like lane assist, distant assist, emergency breaks are *first* introduced in big trucks: human error is the far biggest cause of accidents involving trucks 15:46:25 <Eddi|zuHause> how does that make a difference? 15:46:40 <Flygon> The more adhesion, the more something stops moving more easily 15:46:50 <Flygon> That's why it's called adhesion 15:46:58 <Hiddenfunstuff> tank treads have more surface contact i belive.. 15:46:59 <frosch123> Hiddenfunstuff: the first tank i look up, weights 62 tons, at 72 km/h 15:47:39 <Flygon> (iirc, the electromagnetic brakes on Trams here aren't allowed to be deployed when going over 35km/h here, due to the fact that going any faster, the stop would be so sudden that... well, you'd kill the passengers) 15:47:56 <Flygon> (safer to just smash the car in front, or mince the pedestrian if necessary >_<) 15:48:11 <Hiddenfunstuff> Yep 15:48:30 <Hiddenfunstuff> electrocmagnetics are sticks quite hard.. 15:48:35 <Flygon> (of course, it's incredibly unlikely that a pedestrian will be in front of a Tram going 70km/h that can't brake fast enough to THEN apply the electromagnetic brakes) 15:48:39 <planetmaker> hehe... that reminds me. Once the tram driver announced that passengers should please hold on tight because the primary breaks were broken. First passengers laughed... until the thing needed to start braking 15:48:50 <Eddi|zuHause> Flygon: when the ICE was tested for dutch railways, their speed was reduced because invoking magnetic brakes at that speed would have dragged all sorts of track equipment with it 15:48:54 <Flygon> (I mean, you'll have enough stopping distance to slow down then brake...) 15:49:07 <Flygon> Eddi: Hahaha, fuck, wow O_o 15:49:24 <Hiddenfunstuff> Electroc magnetic retarder is used in coaches and buses.. 15:49:56 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: i'd ask all passengers to leave the tram and return to depot in that case. 15:50:01 <Hiddenfunstuff> it basically resists the spinning of driveshaft which will slow down the vehicle 15:50:11 <Flygon> Eddi: While that is the safest thing to do 15:50:17 <Flygon> It isn't exactly the most possible thing to do 15:50:21 <Hiddenfunstuff> But ofc it cant be too powerful otherwise you'll end up locking up the driveshaft/twisting it in a screw/locking up the wheels 15:50:51 <Flygon> Keep in mind, Melbourne's Yarra Trams has had such things as Z1's literally getting rained on inside through the cab getting approved for normal service 15:50:56 <Flygon> And other such incredibly serious faults 15:51:01 <Flygon> Because it was still considered drivable 15:51:15 <Flygon> And I'm not getting into how utterly fucked a lot of BUSES are here... 15:51:28 <Hiddenfunstuff> convertible? 15:51:32 <Flygon> The entire principle of public transit here is "Drive it til it's dead" 15:51:42 <Flygon> Hiddenfunstuff: Rust 15:51:50 <Flygon> The rust was so bad, it leaked inside the cab of the Tram 15:51:51 <Hiddenfunstuff> Oooh rust is everywhere 15:52:01 <Flygon> When it rained, that is 15:52:05 <Flygon> So, yeah 15:52:13 <Flygon> The Z's being nigh invulnerable's becoming a bit of an issue 15:52:18 <Flygon> Thank fuck they're being retired soon 15:52:25 <Flygon> They're the coolest looking Trams on the network 15:52:30 <Flygon> And they've served us fucking well 15:52:37 <Flygon> They're around 40 years old by this point 15:52:40 <Hiddenfunstuff> They dont use roadsalt in there do they 15:52:46 <Flygon> Doesn't snow 15:52:49 <Hiddenfunstuff> oh wait.. melbourge.. no snow 15:52:53 <Flygon> We don't use roadsalt 15:53:01 <Hiddenfunstuff> roadsalt when mixed into snow/water.. thats like acid 15:53:04 <Flygon> That's only for out in Melbourne's outer North-East and the alps 15:53:08 <Hiddenfunstuff> Eats through anything 15:53:18 <Flygon> The Trams were getting eaten through out of sheer AGE 15:53:30 <Flygon> And lack of maintainence thanks to cost cutting 15:53:36 <Flygon> Yarra Trams really wanted to get rid of the Z's 15:53:50 <Flygon> And letting them rot unceromoniously was the only possible way to do so 15:54:04 <Flygon> As sad as it is (esp. since they're so awesome), it's probably for the best 15:54:32 <Flygon> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d9/Z1-class-tram.96_swanston_collins.jpg 15:54:40 <Flygon> (old MTA livery) 15:54:50 <Hiddenfunstuff> Oooh 15:54:53 <Hiddenfunstuff> Ouch 15:55:10 <Flygon> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d3/Z3_139_(Melbourne_tram)_in_Swanston_St,_December_2013.JPG Modern livery 15:55:29 <Hiddenfunstuff> did they just paint over the rust? 15:55:54 <Flygon> You can't paint over a gaping hole 15:55:59 <Hiddenfunstuff> oh yes you can 15:56:03 <Hiddenfunstuff> just slap some scrap metal over it 15:56:12 <Hiddenfunstuff> ofc without grinding the rust under it first 15:56:16 <Flygon> The Z1s (the oldest, unsurprisingly) that did get those gaping holes did get retired 15:56:22 <Hiddenfunstuff> so the rust will eat the new piece of scrap metal withn months 15:56:24 <Flygon> When the fact that they had giant holes in them became obvious 15:56:28 <Flygon> Hiddenfunstuff, again 15:56:30 *** Progman [~progman@p57A194DB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:56:37 <Flygon> Yarra Trams were looking for an excuse to forcibly retire them 15:56:39 <Flygon> To get new Trams 15:56:43 <Flygon> They don't want to fix them up cheap 15:56:53 <Flygon> That being said 15:57:41 <Flygon> The Z3 Trams (there's three revisions. And Z3 and Z2 Trams are parts compatible with the B and A-Class Trams, meaning they'll last far longer. Tho, most Z2 are retired by now too) will last at least another decade and a half 15:58:04 <Flygon> http://www.thecollectormm.com.au/private/ZclassOnSwanston.jpg THEY'RE SO PHOTOGENIC 15:58:51 <Alberth> yep, nicely colourful :) 15:59:11 <Eddi|zuHause> how is that a reason for keeping them? 15:59:12 <Flygon> https://c3.staticflickr.com/7/6006/6014116604_62a8a2d46e_b.jpg You'll never guess what happened here 15:59:49 <Eddi|zuHause> probably some sort of celebration 15:59:54 <Flygon> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bqizhh2CAAA6pnc.jpg Crappy VHS tape image too 16:00:00 <Flygon> Celebration?... 16:00:02 <Flygon> Hehe.... hehehe... 16:00:13 <Eddi|zuHause> when they opened a new tram line over here, they put all sorts of old equipment on it on the first day 16:00:22 <Hiddenfunstuff> .. 16:00:43 <Eddi|zuHause> of course those were properly maintained museum vehicles 16:00:46 <Flygon> http://tdu.to/a28113/1990%20blockade%20Bourke%20Street%20Mall.jpg 16:00:51 <Flygon> This image will explain everything 16:01:08 <Eddi|zuHause> ah. that's something different then ;) 16:01:14 <Flygon> Eddi: They're kept because Yarra Trams are forced to. They gotta run EVERYTHING possible to keep up with demand 16:01:19 <Flygon> But, yeah 16:01:24 <Flygon> Huge shitstorm in 1990 over Conductors 16:01:34 <Flygon> Sadly, the last did get retired by 1999 :( 16:01:42 <Eddi|zuHause> tram conductors were long gone over here by that time 16:03:30 <Flygon> Yeah =/ 16:03:32 <Flygon> It's annoying... 16:03:39 <Flygon> Everyone here wants them back 16:03:43 <Hiddenfunstuff> I should get back to work.. my break is over 16:03:46 <Flygon> Aye 16:03:47 <Flygon> I should sleep 16:03:48 <Flygon> 2AM 16:03:50 <Flygon> Night! 16:03:54 <Hiddenfunstuff> evening 16:03:59 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6DE1D.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 16:04:01 <Flygon> Hope I haven't bothered you guys with my Aussiefoaming x3 16:04:07 <Flygon> I know Australia aint interesting :3 16:04:11 <Flygon> And, like 16:04:14 <Eddi|zuHause> they were trying to get rid of train conductors here, but they reversed that decision 16:04:14 <Flygon> You're all European :P 16:04:15 <Hiddenfunstuff> not at all 16:04:21 <Hiddenfunstuff> Hhe 16:04:34 <Hiddenfunstuff> sometimes a nice change to talk to people.. 16:04:36 <Eddi|zuHause> in local trains that is 16:07:11 *** shirish_ [~quassel@59.88.98.184] has joined #openttd 16:14:44 *** shirish [~quassel@0001358e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:30:45 *** Pokka [~Octomom@58-7-241-66.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 16:35:02 *** Pikka [~Octomom@124-170-114-220.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:36:22 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has joined #openttd 16:37:26 *** TheMask96 [martijn@pride.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:39:32 *** wicope [~wicope@0001fd8a.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:43:35 *** TheMask96 [martijn@envy.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 16:54:20 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 16:54:23 <andythenorth> o/ 16:57:37 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:57:40 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 16:57:42 <Alberth> hi hi 17:00:14 <planetmaker> \o 17:01:43 <andythenorth> is cat 17:02:26 <V453000> nope 17:03:44 <andythenorth> is coffee? 17:06:16 *** shirish_ [~quassel@59.88.98.184] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:20:06 <andythenorth> bbl 17:20:07 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 17:45:17 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:48:26 *** Myhorta[2] [~Myhorta@10.87.37.188.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:49:38 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 17:52:47 *** Klanticus_ [~quassel@179.234.179.109] has joined #openttd 17:53:38 *** Klanticus [~quassel@179.234.179.109] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:00:39 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 18:57:34 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 18:57:40 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 19:05:14 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 19:14:38 *** Biolunar [Biolunar@x5d823c33.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #openttd 19:14:38 *** Biolunar_ [Biolunar@x4d0252bc.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:14:55 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 19:14:59 *** Pukka [~Octomom@58-7-241-66.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 19:22:04 *** Pokka [~Octomom@58-7-241-66.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:26:04 *** roidal [~roland@cm140-210.liwest.at] has joined #openttd 19:28:55 <argoneus> are there any major features planned in the near future? 19:29:06 <argoneus> or is 1.5 bugfixing 19:30:02 <frosch123> it's the same as every year 19:31:46 <Eddi|zuHause> same procedure as last year, miss sophie? 19:35:40 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 19:36:24 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 19:36:41 <andythenorth> increased industry IDs 19:36:45 <andythenorth> major feature 19:56:36 *** Pereba [~UserNick@191.32.179.187] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:02:34 *** Myhorta[1] [~Myhorta@10.87.37.188.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #openttd 20:03:25 *** andythenorth_ [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 20:03:33 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc20-stap11-2-0-cust392.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 20:05:09 <andythenorth_> eh 20:05:14 <andythenorth_> industry sound effects 20:05:17 <andythenorth_> like? 20:05:19 <andythenorth_> no like? 20:06:29 * Eddi|zuHause has horrible memories of PBI reusing the train crash sound for quarries 20:07:03 <Pukka> boom! 20:07:07 *** APTX [~APTX@87-207-72-117.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 20:07:16 <Eddi|zuHause> very traumatizing 20:07:27 *** Netsplit magnet.oftc.net <-> helix.oftc.net quits: APTX_, OsteHovel, frosch123, luaduck, lastmikoi, andythenorth, Myhorta 20:07:27 *** andythenorth_ is now known as andythenorth 20:08:13 <andythenorth> boom 20:08:31 * andythenorth considers sounds for meat packer 20:08:38 *** Netsplit over, joins: Myhorta, frosch123, APTX_, luaduck 20:08:40 <andythenorth> also sheep farm 20:08:48 <Eddi|zuHause> mÀh! 20:09:01 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:09:11 *** frosch123 [~frosch@x4d0098f0.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:09:16 *** luaduck [~luaduck@0001c465.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:09:26 *** APTX_ [~APTX@87-207-72-117.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:09:51 *** OsteHovel [~OsteHovel@89.11.235.90] has joined #openttd 20:10:19 *** lastmikoi [~lastmikoi@vm-01.lastmikoi.net] has joined #openttd 20:11:35 <andythenorth> http://www.freesfx.co.uk/rx2/mp3s/2/3222_1329145663.mp3 20:12:03 *** luaduck [~luaduck@host165-120-84-75.range165-120.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:14:31 *** Pukka is now known as Pikka 20:14:31 <Eddi|zuHause> you want sounds that blend in with the environment and don't stand out very much 20:14:43 <andythenorth> like the default sawmill 20:14:48 <Eddi|zuHause> also, you changed colour. 20:14:58 <andythenorth> ideally all the sounds would be as nice as the default sawmill 20:15:01 <Eddi|zuHause> it's driving me mad. 20:15:08 <andythenorth> I have a colour? 20:15:35 <Eddi|zuHause> my client assings a colour to everyone 20:16:31 <Eddi|zuHause> but you joined with an alternate nick, which gets a different colour than your usual nick 20:16:41 <Eddi|zuHause> and then that colour sticks with you through renames 20:16:50 <Eddi|zuHause> until either you or me /hop 20:17:23 <andythenorth> thereâs a lot of hopping today 20:17:31 <andythenorth> somewhat involuntary 20:17:46 <andythenorth> hmm 20:17:51 <andythenorth> other people have strange irc 20:25:59 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc20-stap11-2-0-cust392.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: JacobD88] 20:26:39 *** Klanticus_ [~quassel@179.234.179.109] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:34:45 *** wicope [~wicope@0001fd8a.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:37:25 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has left #openttd [] 20:46:10 *** Netsplit magnet.oftc.net <-> helix.oftc.net quits: luaduck, lastmikoi 20:47:18 *** Netsplit over, joins: luaduck 20:47:29 *** Netsplit over, joins: lastmikoi 20:47:46 *** luaduck [~luaduck@0001c465.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:49:01 *** luaduck [~luaduck@host165-120-84-75.range165-120.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 21:05:52 *** roidal [~roland@cm140-210.liwest.at] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.1.1] 21:32:18 *** mercutio [~ben@pearl.meh.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:34:33 *** mercutio [~ben@pearl.meh.net.nz] has joined #openttd 21:36:25 <Wolf01> 'night 21:36:32 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:39:19 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:40:02 *** smoke_fumus [~smoke_fum@188.35.176.90] has joined #openttd 22:00:18 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6DE1D.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:09:09 *** kirjs_______ [sid25169@id-25169.brockwell.irccloud.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:09:27 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc20-stap11-2-0-cust392.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 22:10:58 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc20-stap11-2-0-cust392.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has quit [] 22:32:16 *** Progman [~progman@p57A194DB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:45:01 *** kirjs_______ [sid25169@id-25169.brockwell.irccloud.com] has joined #openttd 22:46:57 *** Pokka [~Octomom@58-7-241-66.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 22:54:04 *** Pikka [~Octomom@58-7-241-66.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:22:50 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has quit [] 23:52:12 *** Hiddenfunstuff [~Geth@a392.ip16.netikka.fi] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC with a difference] 23:54:43 *** FLHerne_ [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 23:58:33 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]