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06:20:38  <Alberth> moin
06:31:34  <Pikka> boin
06:32:57  <Supercheese> u!ow
06:33:35  <Alberth> :)
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07:13:51  <supermop_> ok
07:14:00  <supermop_> finally got a picture of a red train
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07:33:53  <supermop_> so i can complete my Melbourne transit pride flag montage
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07:44:00  <supermop_> had to use a taxi for the yellow stripe
07:44:15  <supermop_> but i'm going to count that ass it's not a private vehicle
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07:45:52  <supermop_> *that as, not that ass
07:46:16  <Alberth> I guessed as much, it didn't make much sense :)
07:46:56  <supermop_> Freudian keyboard slip i guess
07:47:32  <Supercheese> Freudian typo
07:48:10  <Pikka> good morning andythenorth
07:48:37  <andythenorth> bonsoir
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07:50:24  <supermop_> i tend to type double As much more often that double Ss,
07:50:54  <supermop_> but i guess maybe the subject matter primed me to type ass
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11:48:27  <SpComb> frosch123: back up
11:50:54  <frosch123> are you sure? :p
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14:00:36  <frosch123> V453000: devs.openttd.org/~frosch/dmp_cmds_c92067db_000acf30_00.sav  <- what is wrong with train 52 of company 5?
14:00:40  <frosch123> why does it get lost?
14:00:49  <frosch123> do you see something unusual about the tracks?
14:01:32  <frosch123> the station is "Toc"
14:02:35  <frosch123> (it's not limited to that particular train, but it just happening to that train when loading the save)
14:06:32  <frosch123> maybe it is because of the orders, there is only one real order
14:06:39  <frosch123> one implicit, and one vi
14:06:41  <frosch123> *via
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14:10:23  <frosch123> hmm, red signal at end of line i guess
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14:17:38  <andythenorth> so is it a pony request day?
14:22:48  <peter1138> no
14:26:42  <andythenorth> ok
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15:43:14  <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: "it's a pathfinder / pbs issue" would have been the right answer
15:50:17  <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r27322 trunk/src/gfx.cpp (2015-06-28 17:50:13 +0200 )
15:50:18  <DorpsGek> -Fix: Clipping of inclined lines did not account for the 'horizontal width' being bigger than the 'real width'. (adf88)
15:54:19  <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r27323 trunk/src/gfx.cpp (2015-06-28 17:54:12 +0200 )
15:54:20  <DorpsGek> -Fix: Spelling.
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16:54:30  <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r27324 trunk/src/gfx.cpp (2015-06-28 18:54:25 +0200 )
16:54:31  <DorpsGek> -Fix: Remove corner-case optimisation for line drawing, which failed for dashed lines. (noticed by adf88)
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17:01:02  <Wolf01> bye
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18:12:18  <planetmaker> hi hi
18:17:43  <frosch123> hoi
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18:34:22  <Alberth> hi hi jottyfan
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18:34:46  <Alberth> I made an announcement http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=73249
18:35:02  <Alberth> but I could not upload it, you have to register at bananas
18:35:34  <Alberth> https://bananas.openttd.org/en/manager/
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19:11:57  <jottyfan> hi Alberth
19:11:59  <jottyfan> sorry, didn
19:12:13  <jottyfan> didn't recognize the chat window...
19:12:25  <Alberth> :)
19:12:35  <Alberth> you found it now :)
19:12:53  <jottyfan> yes, but I'll have a look at the web sites first
19:13:09  <Alberth> sure, no hurries :)
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19:14:40  <jottyfan> can I use the login from http://dev.openttdcoop.org @ bananas?
19:18:26  <Alberth> no, they are two separate login systems
19:18:30  <jottyfan> ok
19:18:46  <jottyfan> ok, account activated
19:18:53  <jottyfan> and what do I have to do now?
19:19:23  <Alberth> you want to publish?
19:19:31  <Alberth> get musa
19:19:42  <jottyfan> what's this?
19:19:45  <Alberth> minor problem, no idea where it is :)
19:20:02  <Alberth> it's a publishing tool for newgrfs/game scripts
19:20:06  <frosch123> you need to acknowledge the TOS once at https://bananas.openttd.org/en/manager/ before you can use musa
19:21:22  <jottyfan> I'm not a manager
19:21:30  <jottyfan> therefore, I cannot proceed
19:21:35  <Alberth> lol
19:22:06  <Alberth> euhm, seriously, why are you not a manager?
19:22:24  <jottyfan> because of not yet accepted the signup bla - just reading it... :-)
19:22:51  <Alberth> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=63119   musa topic
19:23:20  <Alberth> https://hg.openttd.org/openttd/extra/musa.hg  musa itself, you should be able to clone that with hg
19:23:41  <Alberth> then update the bee awards project
19:23:47  <Alberth> hg update v3
19:23:59  <Alberth> make bananas     should do the trick
19:24:27  <Alberth> and afterwards  hg update   to get back to tip
19:37:44  <jottyfan> sorry, was away for a phone call
19:38:55  <jottyfan> so - for getting this clear - why do I have to do all this
19:38:57  <jottyfan> ?
19:39:11  <jottyfan> I just want to upload the tar file
19:39:19  <jottyfan> to the repository of openttd
19:41:34  <planetmaker> you can also upload it manually in the http form. But upload won't work for giant files
19:41:37  <jottyfan> there's a web site for uploading it
19:41:43  <jottyfan> https://bananas.openttd.org/en/manager/new
19:41:45  <jottyfan> this one?
19:41:46  <planetmaker> and make sure you really upload the version you say you upload
19:41:57  <planetmaker> and once musa is setup, it's much easier to update.
19:42:17  <planetmaker> And with musa you can set the dependencies you need to set. E.g. libraries you depend on. And you do the latter, don't you?
19:42:32  <jottyfan> nope
19:42:52  <planetmaker> just uploading without specifying the libs you depend on will really annoy players. As they get the GS and then cannot use it as they don't have the lib in the proper version
19:43:15  <jottyfan> there's no lib as far as I know that is needed by the game script
19:43:16  <planetmaker> and they have no way to know what they miss. And possibly not even means to retrieve the correct version even when they know
19:43:36  <Alberth> there is no library dependence
19:43:50  <jottyfan> but anyway
19:44:02  <jottyfan> if it is better to use "make bananas", I can do so
19:48:43  <jottyfan> ok, need help for the step by step thing
19:48:53  <jottyfan> I updated Bee Reward to the latest version
19:49:02  <jottyfan> now I just do make bananas?
19:49:35  <jottyfan> cannot work
19:49:49  <jottyfan> missing musa.py
19:51:41  <jottyfan> so do I just need that one python-Script and copy it to my project folder, where the make file is located?
19:54:32  <planetmaker> musa.py and python should be in your path
19:54:54  <jottyfan> on linux, I just add a new path variablef for that?
19:54:56  <planetmaker> and you update to v3 instead of 'latest version' in order to create the proper tar bundle
19:54:59  <jottyfan> what's that name?
19:55:37  <planetmaker> depending on your linux distribution ~/bin might be in your path
19:55:58  <planetmaker> or add it to your path definition in your ~/.bashrc (or whatever sh you use) :)
19:55:59  <jottyfan> musa is checked out in a different folder, not in ~/bin
19:56:28  <Alberth> cd ~/bin  ; ln -s  /path/to/musa.py   .
19:56:39  <jottyfan> ok
19:57:02  <Alberth> ie use ~/bin to collect random useful scripts for you :)
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19:57:30  <jottyfan> my current path doesn't contain ~/bin
19:57:38  <planetmaker> then it's a good idea to add that
19:57:44  <jottyfan> I wonder if...
19:57:49  <planetmaker> and use it in the way Alberth just mentioned
19:57:57  <jottyfan> I'd prefer to install musa under /usr/bin instead
19:58:05  <jottyfan> or at least a link to it
19:58:38  <Alberth> /usr/bin  is system binaries tradionally
19:59:05  <jottyfan> a pity there's no debian package of musa...
19:59:14  <Alberth> if you want it in /usr,   then traditionally  it would be  /usr/local/bin
19:59:28  <jottyfan> it's a debian I'm using
19:59:29  <Alberth> ~/bin is more user-install than system install
19:59:33  <jottyfan> yes
20:00:02  <Alberth> yeah debian is a little paranoish, and doesn't add ~/bin by default
20:00:40  <jottyfan> hm
20:00:50  <jottyfan> why not add the link to the project folder directly?
20:02:47  <jottyfan> now that's weird
20:03:01  <jottyfan> make doesn't recognize the current path
20:03:40  <Alberth> "." is also not in your path normally (for good reasons)
20:04:27  <jottyfan> if I manipulate Makefile and change the line "MUSA = musa.py" to "MUSA = ./musa.py", that would work, wouldn't it?
20:04:43  <Alberth> it wouldn't be v3
20:04:52  <Alberth> cp Makefile mymakefile
20:04:56  <Alberth> edit mymakefile
20:05:07  <Alberth> make -f mymakefile bananas
20:05:18  <jottyfan> ok, but...
20:05:35  <jottyfan> ./musa.py -r -x license.txt -c bundle/bananas.ini "bundle/BeeReward-v5657M-h87c613b7e826"
20:05:41  <jottyfan> value for version is too long
20:05:59  <Alberth> yeah, it detects you change the makefile, so it's not v3
20:06:14  <Alberth> you  hg up v3   right?
20:06:39  <jottyfan> having a look...
20:07:09  <Alberth> the "M" there means the files are different from the repository version
20:07:20  <jottyfan> yes, my fault
20:07:28  <jottyfan> it's not v3, but it's tip
20:07:33  <Alberth> 'make' builds a bundle and does version detection
20:07:47  <jottyfan> ok, switched to v3
20:08:13  <jottyfan> now I'm asked for a login
20:08:18  <jottyfan> this is from bananas, right?
20:08:22  <Alberth> yes it is
20:08:58  <jottyfan> uploaded 20412 bytes of 20412 bytes (100%)
20:09:03  <jottyfan> all okay, content uploaded into bananas
20:09:07  <jottyfan> this is it?
20:10:10  <jottyfan> yes
20:10:51  <jottyfan> ok, so now we have released BeeReward for the first time
20:10:59  <jottyfan> but why could not you release it?
20:11:08  <jottyfan> you're an author, too...
20:12:30  <Alberth> https://paste.openttdcoop.org/pzdzje656?/pzdzje656  :)
20:14:14  <jottyfan> I see
20:14:24  <jottyfan> so every author must be in bananas first
20:14:34  <Alberth> apparently
20:14:35  <jottyfan> now you and anythenorth were, I am
20:14:37  <jottyfan> and it works
20:14:39  <jottyfan> great
20:14:45  <Alberth> \o/
20:14:51  <jottyfan> thanks for all the help
20:15:00  <Alberth> you did most of the work :)
20:15:11  <jottyfan> I've learned much and am able to build own game scripts now
20:15:17  <jottyfan> this is a really good feeling
20:15:19  <jottyfan> :-)
20:15:30  <Alberth> great :)
20:15:52  <jottyfan> ok, leaving now
20:15:54  <jottyfan> cu
20:15:58  <Alberth> bye :)
20:16:19  <Alberth> will add a remark to the post
20:17:33  <planetmaker> :)
20:18:06  <Alberth> hi planetmaker, how are you?
20:30:39  <planetmaker> quite well :) Just came back from a food-rich weekend at friends place :)
20:31:25  <planetmaker> but their kids really keep one constantly active :P
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20:33:41  <Alberth> couldn't seduce them to play openttd quietly? :)
20:33:47  <Alberth> too good weather I guess :)
20:34:11  <planetmaker> oh, well. At age < 1 year that's difficult. Unless of course you're andy or so :P
20:34:38  <planetmaker> How're you yourself? :)
20:35:27  <Alberth> quite busy both at work and in corsixth/freerct currently
20:36:07  <Alberth> trying to finish stuff at work before the holiday
20:36:55  <Alberth> still working on the mouse handling rewrite in freerct, although it's getting closer to the end
20:37:07  <Alberth> soon I can throw away lots of code :)
20:37:14  <planetmaker> Sounds good :)
20:37:38  <planetmaker> when's your holiday planned?
20:37:42  <Alberth> but too tired to do anything there in the evening, so playing around with lua in corsixth
20:38:02  <planetmaker> and I didn't quite know you meanwhile were involved in corsix quite actively, too :)
20:38:16  <Alberth> I haven't planned a holiday, like usual
20:38:24  <Alberth> I hope at the end of July
20:38:37  <Alberth> yeah $someone made me a dev there :)
20:38:41  <planetmaker> :) unplanned need not be bad. Actually can be most relaxing :)
20:38:56  <planetmaker> :D
20:39:15  <Alberth> so fighting with git a bit, and with crashing lua code :p
20:39:26  <planetmaker> he... you converted to git?
20:39:37  <planetmaker> just use hg-git. Works amazingly well nowadays
20:39:56  <Alberth> both cosrix and freerct are on gh what can you do? :)
20:40:37  <Alberth> I tried hg-git for a while, but I tried using git in hg style, which fails
20:42:17  <Alberth> and git is survivable once you understand it a bit
20:42:32  <Alberth> patch shuffling is just messy
20:42:50  <Alberth> but not sure how hg does that in the evolve world
20:47:36  <Alberth> gn
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22:10:29  <Supercheese> gamescripts do not support genders either, lovely
22:11:00  <Supercheese> these messages will be grammatically incorrect with no way to fix them I guess
22:18:18  <Eddi|zuHause> i never understood why that is
22:20:31  <Supercheese> most gamescripts I try and translate desperately require cases and genders to make sense
22:20:36  <Supercheese> but neither are available
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