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00:22:02 *** funnel [~funnel@81.4.123.134] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:24:26 *** argoneus [~argoneus@argoneus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:28:13 *** funnel [~funnel@0001c7d4.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 00:30:31 *** argoneus [~argoneus@argoneus.com] has joined #openttd 00:57:26 *** Pereba [~UserNick@191.32.228.187] has quit [Quit: moc.criida.www ni eno reporp a daolnwod ,nekorb si tneilc cri ruoy] 01:11:05 *** Hiddenfunstuff [~Geth@a392.ip16.netikka.fi] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Go on, try it!] 02:24:23 *** Netsplit charon.oftc.net <-> magnet.oftc.net quits: +michi_cc, Taco, Warrigal, UukGoblin, dihedral, tneo, Xaroth|Work, Sirenia, HerzogDeXtEr, NGC3982, (+28 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 02:24:58 *** Netsplit over, joins: HerzogDeXtEr, Defaultti, +glx, TheMask96, Stimrol, Sirenia, zeknurn, LadyHawk, Goddesen, lobster (+28 more) 02:47:23 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6D998.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:48:30 *** DDR [~David@S0106001f16aa47bc.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:20:18 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 04:56:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD4984.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 04:56:16 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD5DC5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 05:06:46 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-162.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 05:29:24 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 05:29:27 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 05:53:34 *** roidal [~roland@62-46-142-68.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 06:04:00 *** Pensacola [~quassel@c80094.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 06:38:56 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 06:40:58 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1951A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 07:15:48 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 07:40:15 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1951A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:56:48 *** Pikka [~Octomom@203-206-248-154.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 08:30:54 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc20-stap11-2-0-cust13.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 08:32:41 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc20-stap11-2-0-cust13.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has quit [] 08:36:35 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has joined #openttd 08:48:00 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Valete omnes] 08:51:21 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 08:55:42 *** frosch123 [~frosch@x4d011ca4.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #openttd 09:02:43 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: There's a real world out here!] 09:04:00 *** Smedles [~quassel@58.160.136.199] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:08:28 <frosch123> tgp is such bollocks code 09:22:14 <peter1138> Yes 09:22:27 <peter1138> But it is fast. 09:23:11 <frosch123> that's not what i mean 09:24:52 <frosch123> "(1 + sin((a * 2 - 1))*pi/2) / 2" is just a complicated form to writh "(1-cos(a*pi))/2" 09:30:28 <frosch123> HeightMapSineTransform(12, h_max_new); <- haha, i guess that 12 is the culprit of it all 09:31:16 <frosch123> i guess that fixes 2 fs bugs 09:31:37 <frosch123> because someone was too lazy to add an assertion 09:32:10 <peter1138> Or didn't consider that an assertion was necessary 09:32:25 <peter1138> Didn't think about it because > 16 wasn't possible. 09:32:48 <frosch123> nah, the assertion needs to be put in another function 09:33:11 <frosch123> the variety distribution uses some curves, and determines the position on the curve 09:33:17 <frosch123> but it fails if the position is outside the cuve 09:33:25 <peter1138> variety distribution should fuck off 09:33:27 <frosch123> then the function returns just an unassigned value 09:37:40 <peter1138> unfortunately my better method needs the traditional slower perlin method, and multiple layers of it, hence is vastly slower. 09:38:15 <peter1138> it looks shit with the tgp perlin method as it has aliasing artifacts 09:38:28 <frosch123> funny how HeightMapSineTransform makes assumptions about arctic snow and tropic desert 09:38:33 <frosch123> yet no mhl patch considered that 09:40:38 <frosch123> oi, the 12 is even a fractional number 09:40:45 <frosch123> i wonder what height it really is then 09:40:52 <frosch123> 4 bits 09:41:07 <frosch123> so, it's actually 0.75 09:41:31 <frosch123> hmm, aw, so that was not the issue 09:43:32 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 09:43:35 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 09:43:35 <peter1138> :( 09:47:03 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6D998.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 09:55:32 <frosch123> @calc 0.07* 15 09:55:32 <DorpsGek> frosch123: 1.05 09:56:58 <frosch123> why write "1/MAX_TILE_HEIGHT" if you could also write "0.2 / 3"... 09:57:23 *** jottyfan [~jottyfan@p4FF1CB36.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:58:46 *** Smedles [~quassel@58.160.136.199] has joined #openttd 10:01:03 <argoneus> good morning train friends 10:01:50 <argoneus> peter1138: what's wrong with world generation being slow? 10:01:58 <argoneus> it's not something you do every minute 10:07:38 <peter1138> argoneus, I'm talking minutes, not a couple extra seconds. 10:08:44 <argoneus> peter1138: why not have it as an option anyway 10:08:45 <argoneus> I'd use it 10:09:03 <argoneus> look at how long dwarf fortress generation take 10:09:04 <argoneus> s 10:10:01 <peter1138> Yeah well, there was also the idea that map previous would be nice, and that blows through that idea 10:10:08 <argoneus> map previous? 10:10:13 <peter1138> ... 10:10:14 <peter1138> previews 10:10:19 <argoneus> o 10:10:48 *** Hiddenfunstuff [~Geth@a392.ip16.netikka.fi] has joined #openttd 10:14:56 <argoneus> well 10:14:59 <argoneus> you can preview with the fast methd 10:15:02 <argoneus> and then use the slow method 10:18:32 <Terkhen> hello 10:19:49 *** a_sad_dude [~virtuall@80.232.242.73] has joined #openttd 10:29:43 <peter1138> no, the result is totally different 10:41:28 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r27328 trunk/src/tgp.cpp (2015-07-11 12:41:20 +0200 ) 10:41:29 <DorpsGek> -Codechange: Add an assertion to check for uninitialised variables when tracing variety distribution's control curves. 10:43:40 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r27329 trunk/src/tgp.cpp (2015-07-11 12:43:34 +0200 ) 10:43:41 <DorpsGek> -Fix: Add more height_t type-correctness to TGP code. 10:46:07 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 10:46:10 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 10:46:32 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r27330 trunk/src/tgp.cpp (2015-07-11 12:46:25 +0200 ) 10:46:33 <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#6335]: Make variety distribution not assume that sea level is at height 0.2 / 3 * TGPGetMaxHeight(). 10:47:00 <Alberth> moin 10:47:03 <frosch123> hoi 10:48:56 <frosch123> https://paste.openttdcoop.org/prksiufwi?/prksiufwi <- can anyone give those "/ 3" some sense? 10:49:12 <frosch123> otherwise i claim they are bollocks and remove them 10:51:17 *** Nemoder [~quassel@63.142.210.189] has left #openttd [http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.] 10:54:36 <Alberth> I am more worried about the magic 'mh' :) 10:55:20 <Alberth> they are points at 1/3 of the area or so? 10:56:07 <frosch123> they describe a curve to to map heights in range 0..1 to a new height in range 0.1 10:56:24 <frosch123> mostly reducing the amount of high values 10:56:26 <Alberth> hmm, it's supposed to be a fraction, 2.4 doesn't make sense at all 10:56:46 <frosch123> the values are sorted from left to right 10:57:30 <frosch123> so it you have to know that 0.0 < 1.2/3 < 2.0/3 < 5.5/6 < 1.0 :) 10:57:41 <frosch123> it breaks if they are not sorted 10:58:09 <Alberth> it's a sequence of linear interpolations probably 10:58:18 <frosch123> yup 10:58:46 <Alberth> ditching the division seems fine to me 11:08:42 <Alberth> maybe add a remark about increasing x, although it's not that relevant 11:12:30 <frosch123> replacing numbers with other numbers without knowing what they mean seems the be driving schema behind mhl 11:15:41 <frosch123> ah, they were added in r26999 11:16:07 <frosch123> looks like someone tried to not round values with /3 and thought that fractions make sense with floats 11:17:31 <Alberth> especially fractions other than of a poer of 2 :p 11:17:35 <Alberth> *power 11:17:54 <frosch123> yup :) 11:18:31 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r27331 trunk/src/tgp.cpp (2015-07-11 13:18:24 +0200 ) 11:18:32 <DorpsGek> -Cleanup (r26999): Make variety distribution curves more sane. 11:31:23 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:31:58 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 11:36:16 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has quit [] 11:58:46 *** _nowhere_ [~nowherema@p57BD7AD0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:02:51 *** Wormnest [~Wormnest@s5596abd2.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 12:06:04 *** Pikka [~Octomom@203-206-248-154.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:06:41 *** a_sad_dude [~virtuall@80.232.242.73] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:08:35 *** _nowhere_ [~nowherema@p57BD7AD0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: war is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength] 12:47:44 *** a_sad_dude [~virtuall@159.148.61.18] has joined #openttd 13:01:16 *** smoke_fumus [~smoke_fum@188.35.176.90] has joined #openttd 13:19:03 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 13:50:45 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host81-152-150-208.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 13:51:31 <andythenorth> o/ 14:23:33 *** smoke_fumus [~smoke_fum@188.35.176.90] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 14:37:32 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@i59F6A795.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 14:43:04 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6D998.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:13:48 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 15:13:51 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 15:13:51 <andythenorth> ho 15:13:59 <andythenorth> the decision was made to keep original vehicles in the game? 15:13:59 <Alberth> moin 15:14:04 <andythenorth> even with newgrf? 15:14:07 * andythenorth tests 15:14:10 <Alberth> ? 15:14:46 <Alberth> newgrf decides that doesn't it? 15:14:52 <andythenorth> it used to 15:15:01 <andythenorth> now not apparently 15:15:16 <andythenorth> I pulled trunk yesterday 15:15:21 <andythenorth> first time in a while 15:15:56 <andythenorth> now default monorail appears alongside Iron Horse 15:16:19 <andythenorth> but not maglev 15:16:21 <andythenorth> weird 15:24:31 *** frosch123 [~frosch@x4d011ca4.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:26:51 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host81-152-150-208.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 15:27:49 *** Pol [~quassel@c80094.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 15:28:42 *** frosch123 [~frosch@x5f740c00.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #openttd 15:30:58 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 15:31:01 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 15:34:49 *** Pensacola [~quassel@c80094.upc-c.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:34:55 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:04:55 *** wicope [~wicope@0001fd8a.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:26:51 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host81-152-150-208.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 16:30:25 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host81-152-150-208.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 16:54:33 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc20-stap11-2-0-cust13.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 16:55:42 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host81-152-150-208.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 17:02:32 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:02:35 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 17:09:28 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:13:47 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 17:13:50 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 17:21:41 <Zuu> andythenorth: have you had any success with the GS->NewGRF patch? 17:21:58 <andythenorth> sorry havenât patched yet :) 17:22:07 <andythenorth> other things to do 17:22:12 <Zuu> :-) 17:39:21 *** Pol [~quassel@c80094.upc-c.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:52:21 <Alberth> hmm, always nice when glibc selects a non-existing include file for you :p 17:52:55 *** Rejf [rejf@nintendos.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:54:00 *** Rejf [rejf@nintendos.pl] has joined #openttd 17:57:59 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has joined #openttd 17:58:38 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-162.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:21:33 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host81-152-150-208.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 18:42:52 *** wicope [~wicope@0001fd8a.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:51:45 *** liq3 [liq3@CPE-120-147-178-81.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 18:57:22 *** Tirili [~chatzilla@kel30.kel.studentenwerk-goettingen.de] has joined #openttd 19:07:55 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host81-152-150-208.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 19:08:02 <Alberth> hi hi 19:08:25 <andythenorth> lo 19:11:18 *** DDR [~David@S0106001f16aa47bc.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 19:19:14 <andythenorth> log cat is quiet 19:45:17 <andythenorth> this wired thing looks interesting 19:48:57 <andythenorth> also, itâs impossible not to troll this thread :P http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=73294 19:56:51 <Alberth> it's a stupid question, that has been asked a zillion times already :) 20:04:41 <a_sad_dude> while you're talking stupid questions, is a GS required to run a simple company value goal server or am i missing a setting somewhere? 20:05:20 <Alberth> depends on your notion of 'goal' 20:05:53 <a_sad_dude> well something that displays in the goal list and ends the game once achieved 20:05:55 <Alberth> by default openttd doesn't steer users much nor monitors them 20:06:25 <Alberth> for that kind of goals, yes, you need a GS 20:06:45 <ST2> ... or a software controller that listens admin port 20:06:53 <a_sad_dude> i see... thanks ) 20:06:58 <a_sad_dude> hey ST2 20:07:03 <ST2> hi :) 20:07:33 <Alberth> basically, everybody has a different idea about what a goal is, so it got moved to Squirrel and everybody can implement his own ideas 20:07:42 <a_sad_dude> sounds wise 20:08:02 <ST2> yeah 20:08:15 <a_sad_dude> ...i made yet another weird economy grf and wanted to test it quickly. guess i'll set up a server without a goal for now 20:10:37 <Alberth> you can just test at a local machine? 20:11:25 <a_sad_dude> well i did that, now i hope someone joins me to play ) 20:12:23 <Alberth> start another openttd, and join at localhost :p 20:12:37 <a_sad_dude> ) 20:17:49 *** jottyfan [~jottyfan@p4FF1CB36.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20:20:22 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host81-152-150-208.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 20:37:24 *** Tirili [~chatzilla@kel30.kel.studentenwerk-goettingen.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [SeaMonkey 2.33.1/20150410200411]] 20:43:47 *** roidal_ [~roland@62-46-142-27.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 20:50:38 *** roidal [~roland@62-46-142-68.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:51:41 *** Smedles [~quassel@58.160.136.199] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:52:49 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 21:00:36 *** Wormnest [~Wormnest@s5596abd2.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:03:21 *** Smedles [~quassel@58.160.136.199] has joined #openttd 21:05:19 *** roidal_ [~roland@62-46-142-27.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.2] 21:42:06 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 21:55:01 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc20-stap11-2-0-cust13.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: JacobD88] 21:57:24 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@i59F6A795.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:58:51 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has quit [] 22:02:22 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1951A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 22:09:24 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc20-stap11-2-0-cust13.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 22:09:30 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc20-stap11-2-0-cust13.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has quit [] 22:22:19 *** frosch123 [~frosch@x5f740c00.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 22:27:54 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:14:01 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Valete omnes] 23:16:18 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 23:25:27 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1951A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:35:48 *** Pikka [~Octomom@203-206-248-154.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd