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[~UserNick@177.158.49.118] has quit [Quit: Leif Eriksson uses AdiIRC. 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[www.adiirc.com]] 17:26:07 *** Nathan1852 [~Nathan185@p5DC11CCB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:41:27 *** Pensacola [~quassel@88.159.51.52] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:41:55 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:41:58 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 17:45:23 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r27384 trunk/src/lang/catalan.txt (2015-08-13 19:45:15 +0200 ) 17:45:24 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:25 <DorpsGek> catalan - 35 changes by juanjo 17:47:57 *** Pensacola [~quassel@88.159.51.52] has joined #openttd 17:48:37 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:56:00 *** Pol [~quassel@88.159.51.52] has joined #openttd 17:56:00 *** Pensacola [~quassel@88.159.51.52] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:13:31 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r27385 trunk/src/os/windows/win32.cpp (2015-08-13 20:13:24 +0200 ) 18:13:32 <DorpsGek> -Fix: compilation failure due #define-ing enum name of a system library before including the system library 18:20:26 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 18:20:32 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has left #openttd [] 18:20:32 <Alberth> hi hi 18:20:36 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 18:20:44 <Alberth> :O 18:21:11 <Alberth> you make very short visits these days :) 18:21:21 <andythenorth> brain in other places :) 18:21:51 *** DDR [~David@S0106001f16aa47bc.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 18:23:23 *** Nathan1852__ [~Nathan185@p5DC11CCB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:27:10 *** DDR__ [~David@S0106001f16aa47bc.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:30:35 *** Nathan1852_ [~Nathan185@p5DC11CCB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:38:29 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.158.49.118] has joined #openttd 18:39:56 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@95.76.27.245] has joined #openttd 18:44:06 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 18:49:04 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 18:52:04 * andythenorth will be back in the game in a few weeks :P 18:52:51 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1865A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:56:41 *** Pol [~quassel@88.159.51.52] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:57:05 *** Nathan1852_ [~Nathan185@p5DC11CCB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:00:26 <Wolf01> http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/abbVm9b_460s.jpg the cat is not sure about that 19:02:32 *** shirish [~quassel@0001358e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:03:49 <andythenorth> ha 19:04:06 *** Nathan1852__ [~Nathan185@p5DC11CCB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:08:17 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1869C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:12:18 *** Ether_Man [DJ@84.219.232.62] has joined #openttd 19:15:29 <Ether_Man> Hi. I was reading a bit on exactly how the cargo income calculations work but one thing that I cant seem to find is when exactly the timer starts. Is it when cargo is added to the station? When a transport loads it, or when a transport leaves the terminal or? 19:16:53 <Alberth> when it loads, it starts for that cargo 19:17:12 <frosch123> Ether_Man: cargo ages while inside a vehicle 19:17:25 <frosch123> it does not age at stations 19:17:32 <frosch123> even during transfers 19:17:40 <Ether_Man> Right. So a bad choice generally then to have trains waiting in a station until full :) 19:18:05 <frosch123> yup, on short routes shorter trains are better 19:18:26 <frosch123> the loading time should not be a too big percentage of the total roundabout time 19:18:52 <frosch123> *roundtrip 19:21:48 <Ether_Man> Hmm.. Then is there any better way to have it better spread out multiple trains doing the same route? Because say I do a passenger line with 4 stations. The first train arrives, picks up all passengers, and leaves, then the next train arrives, and almost no passengers, so loading is really fast. So it is even less time on station, resulting in that it simply catches up to the first train faster and faster until eventually, all trains are stuck together, whic 19:21:48 <Ether_Man> h defeats the purpose of having multiple trains there in the first place :/ 19:22:33 <Alberth> generally, use time tables 19:22:58 <Alberth> a simpler approach is to make a long length of track without signals, so trains cannot drive closely after each other 19:23:14 <frosch123> my prefered method is to set the loading time for such vehicles to something like 5 to 10 days 19:23:14 <Eddi|zuHause> in the easiest case, set the loading time of the timetable to what it takes to fully unload and load 19:23:22 <frosch123> don't set the travel time though 19:23:49 <Ether_Man> But setting a loading time means it loads the passenger and thus, the timer starts directly. Same thing with timetable :/ 19:23:59 <Eddi|zuHause> if you set the travel time, you can do better planning of distances between trains, but it may fluctuate a lot 19:24:42 <frosch123> Ether_Man: it sets a minimum time for loading, and if you only use one platform, that implies a minimum distance between trains 19:24:53 <Eddi|zuHause> well, if 2 additional days of waiting screw up your income, you probably are doing things wrong on a different level 19:25:08 <frosch123> if a train loads for at least 10 days, it can only follow the previous train after 10 days 19:25:30 <Eddi|zuHause> the cargo age ticks every 2.5 days 19:25:44 <Ether_Man> Eddi|zuHause, it's not about getting an income as such. Getting huge income is easy, but looking at optimizing, which is a bit more difficult :) 19:26:09 <Eddi|zuHause> sometimes optimizing on the big scale means de-optimizing on the micro scale 19:26:14 <Ether_Man> frosch123, yes, but then it's also wasting 10 days of cargo age :) 19:26:38 <Ether_Man> Eddi|zuHause, yea I was really hoping to avoid having to do that >_< 19:26:43 <frosch123> well, then use sparse signals 19:26:52 <frosch123> so a train cannot enter the station immediately 19:27:23 <Eddi|zuHause> Ether_Man: you can also do "go to X (unload only), wait for A days" and "go to X (load), wait for B days" 19:27:45 <Ether_Man> frosch123, Mm. That seems to gonna have to be the approach 19:27:58 <Eddi|zuHause> if it's a dead end station, it'll turn around and load 19:28:15 <Ether_Man> I dont do dead end stations. All my stations are ro-ro :) 19:28:18 <Eddi|zuHause> if it's not a dead end station, you should use [beginning/end of platform] 19:28:32 <Eddi|zuHause> so it can go to the same platform twice without leaving the station 19:29:00 <Eddi|zuHause> platforms should be longer than trains in that case 19:29:27 * andythenorth wants an order to make trains leave the station if another train arrives 19:29:34 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe it works with same length, not tested 19:36:08 <Ether_Man> andythenorth, I deff support that order. 19:36:11 <Ether_Man> I'd also like an order like "wait X days before loading", and/or "leave cargo at the station until enough to max train"... Or simply to treat cargo as on station until the transport leaves the station. I'm fine with the timer then also ticking while in transfer at a station 19:36:46 <Eddi|zuHause> there won't be any such orders before anyone cleans up the order gui. it's way too overloaded 19:38:37 <andythenorth> Iâd like an order âleave station if itâs Tuesday' 19:38:45 <andythenorth> and also âif a black cat passes my door' 19:39:15 * andythenorth doesnât understand all these fancy orders 19:39:26 <andythenorth> nor how people make the game so hard 19:39:41 <andythenorth> why does Baldy need to audit 40k departures and arrivals? 19:39:49 * andythenorth just wins, easily, every time 19:39:53 <andythenorth> * except in MP 19:40:01 <Eddi|zuHause> nobody really understands what Baldy needs 19:40:18 <Eddi|zuHause> not even Baldy's Boss 19:40:19 <peter1138> So Windows 10 appears to have lost most of my Start Menu items :S 19:40:35 <Eddi|zuHause> peter1138: they weren't important anyway. 19:40:52 <peter1138> Oh, okay. 19:41:13 <Eddi|zuHause> peter1138: i'd look into difference between "public" and "personal" menu entries 19:44:19 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: c('~' )o] 19:52:18 <Rubidium> peter1138: isn't that due to the HP website redesign? 19:52:30 <peter1138> Probably. 20:02:47 <Alberth> in MP everybody wins? :) 20:08:49 <Eddi|zuHause> what i'd like to see (besides of what i already mentioned with the timetables) is a histogram that for each year and each cargo it records how far each cargo packet travelled and how much it earned 20:09:38 <Alberth> that's easy, it's all 0 20:09:40 <Eddi|zuHause> and generally, better graph views 20:09:51 <Alberth> cargo doesn't travel or work 20:10:12 <Alberth> more visual pictures 20:10:17 <Alberth> more stats 20:10:31 <Eddi|zuHause> you're so negative lately... 20:10:34 <Alberth> just looking very busy and impressive 20:11:34 <Alberth> yeah, too much whining, maybe I am growing old :p 20:11:53 <Alberth> good night all :) 20:12:14 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 20:18:10 * andythenorth is old 20:18:12 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 20:21:27 *** frosch123 [~frosch@x5f7430cd.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 20:25:38 *** Nathan1852__ [~Nathan185@p5DC11CCB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:32:37 *** Nathan1852_ [~Nathan185@p5DC11CCB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:39:47 *** Hiddenfunstuff [~Geth@a392.ip16.netikka.fi] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Would you like to know more?] 20:52:05 *** a_sad_dude [~virtuall@159.148.61.18] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:55:03 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.158.49.118] has quit [Quit: If I go there will be trouble, if I stay it will be double. [www.adiirc.com]] 20:56:41 *** Nathan1852_ [~Nathan185@p5DC11CCB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:03:55 *** Nathan1852__ [~Nathan185@p5DC11CCB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:05:38 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1869C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:06:59 <Eddi|zuHause> i think we need a more clear mention of "refittable in depot" and "refittable in stations" in the purchase list 21:07:34 <Eddi|zuHause> where it currently just says "refittable", presumably 21:15:56 <peter1138> Oh, s/pdif dac works better when the coax cable is connected... 21:38:48 *** gelignite [~gelignite@mue-88-130-69-027.dsl.tropolys.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/1kso8Ta] 21:40:05 *** Nathan1852__ [~Nathan185@p5DC11CCB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:46:56 *** Nathan1852_ [~Nathan185@p5DC11CCB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:04:30 *** Nathan1852__ [~Nathan185@p5DC11CCB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:06:26 *** Wormnest [~Wormnest@s5596abd2.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:06:35 *** supermop [~supermop@pool-71-183-121-153.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 22:13:59 *** Biolunar [Biolunar@x5d8218cb.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #openttd 22:19:28 *** DDR [~David@S0106001f16aa47bc.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:24:52 *** supermop [~supermop@pool-71-183-121-153.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:25:06 *** supermop [~supermop@pool-71-183-121-153.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 22:26:01 *** DDR [~David@S0106001f16aa47bc.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 22:41:10 *** supermop [~supermop@pool-71-183-121-153.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:02:26 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@95.76.27.245] has quit [] 23:11:23 *** KenjiE20 [~kenji@vps.longbowslair.co.uk] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.2] 23:14:17 *** KenjiE20 [~kenji@vps.longbowslair.co.uk] has joined #openttd 23:22:35 <Wolf01> 'night 23:22:39 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 23:29:11 *** Rubidium [~Rubidium@000128fa.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:33:25 *** Biolunar [Biolunar@x5d8218cb.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]