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02:38:19  <supermop> yo
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08:33:02  <Wolf01> o/
08:33:08  <Taede> \o
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08:38:13  <Alberth> moin
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11:40:40  <Wolf01> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7Tf23BzAOw playing in the mud
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11:52:47  <Alberth> :)
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15:52:11  <frosch123> hola
15:52:51  <Rubidium> ehlo
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17:45:23  <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r27384 trunk/src/lang/catalan.txt (2015-08-13 19:45:15 +0200 )
17:45:24  <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
17:45:25  <DorpsGek> catalan - 35 changes by juanjo
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18:13:31  <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r27385 trunk/src/os/windows/win32.cpp (2015-08-13 20:13:24 +0200 )
18:13:32  <DorpsGek> -Fix: compilation failure due #define-ing enum name of a system library before including the system library
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18:20:32  <Alberth> hi hi
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18:20:44  <Alberth> :O
18:21:11  <Alberth> you make very short visits these days :)
18:21:21  <andythenorth> brain in other places :)
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18:52:04  * andythenorth will be back in the game in a few weeks :P
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19:00:26  <Wolf01> http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/abbVm9b_460s.jpg the cat is not sure about that
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19:03:49  <andythenorth> ha
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19:15:29  <Ether_Man> Hi. I was reading a bit on exactly how the cargo income calculations work but one thing that I cant seem to find is when exactly the timer starts. Is it when cargo is added to the station? When a transport loads it, or when a transport leaves the terminal or?
19:16:53  <Alberth> when it loads, it starts for that cargo
19:17:12  <frosch123> Ether_Man: cargo ages while inside a vehicle
19:17:25  <frosch123> it does not age at stations
19:17:32  <frosch123> even during transfers
19:17:40  <Ether_Man> Right. So a bad choice generally then to have trains waiting in a station until full :)
19:18:05  <frosch123> yup, on short routes shorter trains are better
19:18:26  <frosch123> the loading time should not be a too big percentage of the total roundabout time
19:18:52  <frosch123> *roundtrip
19:21:48  <Ether_Man> Hmm.. Then is there any better way to have it better spread out multiple trains doing the same route? Because say I do a passenger line with 4 stations. The first train arrives, picks up all passengers, and leaves, then the next train arrives, and almost no passengers, so loading is really fast. So it is even less time on station, resulting in that it simply catches up to the first train faster and faster until eventually, all trains are stuck together, whic
19:21:48  <Ether_Man> h defeats the purpose of having multiple trains there in the first place :/
19:22:33  <Alberth> generally, use time tables
19:22:58  <Alberth> a simpler approach is to make a long length of track without signals, so trains cannot drive closely after each other
19:23:14  <frosch123> my prefered method is to set the loading time for such vehicles to something like 5 to 10 days
19:23:14  <Eddi|zuHause> in the easiest case, set the loading time of the timetable to what it takes to fully unload and load
19:23:22  <frosch123> don't set the travel time though
19:23:49  <Ether_Man> But setting a loading time means it loads the passenger and thus, the timer starts directly. Same thing with timetable :/
19:23:59  <Eddi|zuHause> if you set the travel time, you can do better planning of distances between trains, but it may fluctuate a lot
19:24:42  <frosch123> Ether_Man: it sets a minimum time for loading, and if you only use one platform, that implies a minimum distance between trains
19:24:53  <Eddi|zuHause> well, if 2 additional days of waiting screw up your income, you probably are doing things wrong on a different level
19:25:08  <frosch123> if a train loads for at least 10 days, it can only follow the previous train after 10 days
19:25:30  <Eddi|zuHause> the cargo age ticks every 2.5 days
19:25:44  <Ether_Man> Eddi|zuHause, it's not about getting an income as such. Getting huge income is easy, but looking at optimizing, which is a bit more difficult :)
19:26:09  <Eddi|zuHause> sometimes optimizing on the big scale means de-optimizing on the micro scale
19:26:14  <Ether_Man> frosch123, yes, but then it's also wasting 10 days of cargo age :)
19:26:38  <Ether_Man> Eddi|zuHause, yea I was really hoping to avoid having to do that >_<
19:26:43  <frosch123> well, then use sparse signals
19:26:52  <frosch123> so a train cannot enter the station immediately
19:27:23  <Eddi|zuHause> Ether_Man: you can also do "go to X (unload only), wait for A days" and "go to X (load), wait for B days"
19:27:45  <Ether_Man> frosch123, Mm. That seems to gonna have to be the approach
19:27:58  <Eddi|zuHause> if it's a dead end station, it'll turn around and load
19:28:15  <Ether_Man> I dont do dead end stations. All my stations are ro-ro :)
19:28:18  <Eddi|zuHause> if it's not a dead end station, you should use [beginning/end of platform]
19:28:32  <Eddi|zuHause> so it can go to the same platform twice without leaving the station
19:29:00  <Eddi|zuHause> platforms should be longer than trains in that case
19:29:27  * andythenorth wants an order to make trains leave the station if another train arrives
19:29:34  <Eddi|zuHause> maybe it works with same length, not tested
19:36:08  <Ether_Man> andythenorth, I deff support that order.
19:36:11  <Ether_Man> I'd also like an order like "wait X days before loading", and/or "leave cargo at the station until enough to max train"... Or simply to treat cargo as on station until the transport leaves the station. I'm fine with the timer then also ticking while in transfer at a station
19:36:46  <Eddi|zuHause> there won't be any such orders before anyone cleans up the order gui. it's way too overloaded
19:38:37  <andythenorth> I’d like an order ‘leave station if it’s Tuesday'
19:38:45  <andythenorth> and also ‘if a black cat passes my door'
19:39:15  * andythenorth doesn’t understand all these fancy orders
19:39:26  <andythenorth> nor how people make the game so hard
19:39:41  <andythenorth> why does Baldy need to audit 40k departures and arrivals?
19:39:49  * andythenorth just wins, easily, every time
19:39:53  <andythenorth> * except in MP
19:40:01  <Eddi|zuHause> nobody really understands what Baldy needs
19:40:18  <Eddi|zuHause> not even Baldy's Boss
19:40:19  <peter1138> So Windows 10 appears to have lost most of my Start Menu items :S
19:40:35  <Eddi|zuHause> peter1138: they weren't important anyway.
19:40:52  <peter1138> Oh, okay.
19:41:13  <Eddi|zuHause> peter1138: i'd look into difference between "public" and "personal" menu entries
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19:52:18  <Rubidium> peter1138: isn't that due to the HP website redesign?
19:52:30  <peter1138> Probably.
20:02:47  <Alberth> in MP everybody wins? :)
20:08:49  <Eddi|zuHause> what i'd like to see (besides of what i already mentioned with the timetables) is a histogram that for each year and each cargo it records how far each cargo packet travelled and how much it earned
20:09:38  <Alberth> that's easy, it's all 0
20:09:40  <Eddi|zuHause> and generally, better graph views
20:09:51  <Alberth> cargo doesn't travel or work
20:10:12  <Alberth> more visual pictures
20:10:17  <Alberth> more stats
20:10:31  <Eddi|zuHause> you're so negative lately...
20:10:34  <Alberth> just looking very busy and impressive
20:11:34  <Alberth> yeah, too much whining, maybe I am growing old :p
20:11:53  <Alberth> good night all :)
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21:06:59  <Eddi|zuHause> i think we need a more clear mention of "refittable in depot" and "refittable in stations" in the purchase list
21:07:34  <Eddi|zuHause> where it currently just says "refittable", presumably
21:15:56  <peter1138> Oh, s/pdif dac works better when the coax cable is connected...
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23:22:35  <Wolf01> 'night
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