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11:38:00 <Pikka> nein 11:38:59 <supermop> yo 11:39:07 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@95.76.27.245] has joined #openttd 11:39:11 <Pikka> bonjour herr mop 11:40:37 <andythenorth> so eh 11:40:37 <andythenorth> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=1155397#p1155397 11:40:48 * andythenorth is puzzled 11:41:00 <andythenorth> I agree with the problem 11:41:03 <andythenorth> dunno how to solve it 11:42:48 <planetmaker> what's the problem there, andythenorth ? 11:43:01 <andythenorth> the root cause is industry intro dates 11:43:13 <andythenorth> and the side effects of those in different economies 11:43:18 <andythenorth> i.e. broken chains 11:43:29 <planetmaker> ahm... yeah, that's difficult 11:43:54 <andythenorth> there are multiple options 11:43:59 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@95.76.27.245] has quit [] 11:44:56 <planetmaker> introduce primaries starting in the bronze age. Same goes for ports ;) 11:45:10 <planetmaker> thus if the secondaries are not there, there are still ports ;) 11:45:44 <planetmaker> alternatively it needs an analysis of how the chains look like, say, after each introduction of stuff 11:46:03 <planetmaker> basically it could be two different economies, just attached to eachother in a temporal fashion 11:46:24 <planetmaker> you now have sufficiently many industry slots available ;) 11:47:20 <planetmaker> the introduction of the modern chains could be one-by-one. But all new industries belonging to it at the same time. Not historically accurate. But better for gameplay and hardly noticed 11:48:08 <planetmaker> which somewhat reminds me... you asked me days ago whether I could look at *something*. What was that? 11:48:20 <andythenorth> cannot remember :D 11:48:22 *** Pensacola [~quassel@88.159.51.52] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:48:41 <planetmaker> it was something FIRS-ish 11:48:49 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: didn't you already have such an iron works? 11:49:03 <andythenorth> yes 11:49:24 <andythenorth> http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/releases/LATEST/docs/html/industries.html#iron_works 11:49:44 <planetmaker> are they gone meanwhile? 11:49:47 <andythenorth> no 11:49:58 <Eddi|zuHause> then i don't understand the question 11:50:00 * planetmaker hasn't really played for some time an early years game 11:50:07 <andythenorth> Basic economy 11:50:17 <andythenorth> deliberately limited number of industry types 11:50:38 <andythenorth> adding more types to this economy defies the purpose :) 11:50:47 <andythenorth> but the economy is broken 11:50:48 <planetmaker> true :) 11:50:52 <andythenorth> for before 1850 or so 11:51:03 <planetmaker> well, then the basic economy is not suitable for very early starts 11:51:25 <planetmaker> thus it reduces to a documentation problem :P 11:51:27 <Eddi|zuHause> so you need an "intro_date: economy==basic?0:1850" switch? 11:52:06 <planetmaker> or that ^ 11:52:54 <Eddi|zuHause> might replace it with an actual switch, for easier adding/removing of economies 11:54:14 <andythenorth> yeah fiddling the date is possible, and is one of the options 11:54:37 <andythenorth> I donât like to change industries too much between economies, it confuses players imo 11:54:45 <andythenorth> but already they change cargos in some cases 11:55:12 <planetmaker> yes. Keeping the industries about the same between economies makes sense. Even when not done strictly in all cases 11:55:25 <planetmaker> though introduction dates are not a major thing really 11:58:11 <andythenorth> might be the simplest solution 12:00:01 <andythenorth> I thought of an industry that accepts iron ore and makes goods 12:00:03 <andythenorth> but eh 12:00:10 <andythenorth> that might be _too_ basic 12:01:24 <Eddi|zuHause> what problem should that solve? 12:02:41 <andythenorth> the Metal Works intro year is tied to the Iron Works intro year 12:02:53 <andythenorth> but the Iron Works is not available in Temperate Basic 12:03:06 <andythenorth> so there is a tertiary with no source of input cargo 12:03:30 <andythenorth> meanwhile the Steel Mill canât be introduced earlier if all intro dates are the same between economies, also realism 12:03:44 <andythenorth> (the Steel Mill has to come later than the Iron Works) 12:03:50 <andythenorth> this is all daft tbh 12:04:02 *** Pikka [~Octomom@c114-77-161-48.fitzg3.qld.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:04:09 <andythenorth> see, it drove pikka away :P 12:04:28 <andythenorth> consolidating to a single âbasicâ metal-working industry would avoid the daftness 12:04:34 <andythenorth> but itâs not a good solution 12:10:49 <andythenorth> planetmaker: this was the thing I wanted you to look at :D https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/7723 12:12:40 <planetmaker> ah 12:14:33 <andythenorth> yes :) 12:14:54 <andythenorth> hmm 12:15:10 * andythenorth proposes an âadvanced settingâ flag for Action 14 :P 12:17:00 <planetmaker> what kind? 12:17:19 <planetmaker> you mean like suggested setting value? 12:17:48 <planetmaker> it's an interesting idea if OpenTTD got an additional setting state: values as now and 'newgrf suggested' 12:17:58 <andythenorth> my proposal is to be able to offer more newgrf parameter settings, but hide some away 12:18:14 <andythenorth> the benefit is that newgrf authors can be much lazier about design :P 12:18:32 <andythenorth> without making the initial parameter interface overwhelming :P 12:18:40 <Eddi|zuHause> you mean like they are only shown when newgrf developer is active? 12:18:58 <andythenorth> or via progressive disclosure (interface toggle) or such 12:20:11 <planetmaker> ah, ok the 3 states of settings like in the settings window (basic, adv. and expert)? 12:20:27 <planetmaker> That would make sense, yes, to have that action14 addition to allow for hidden parameters 12:20:40 <planetmaker> and even much easier than what I thought initially you mean :) 12:21:47 <andythenorth> yes that 12:21:54 <andythenorth> I donât have a specific implementation in mind 12:22:55 <planetmaker> Me neither. But it's just a GUI toggle on some parameters 12:23:13 <planetmaker> thus mostly some GUI work 12:23:49 <planetmaker> and analysis of an additional new flag for action14 where it defaults to 'basic' in case of its absence 12:25:39 <NGC3982> Evening 12:25:40 <NGC3982> Or morning. 12:32:01 * andythenorth is still suspicious of parameters on newgrfs 12:32:10 <andythenorth> but in some cases, there is no obvious default 12:32:23 <andythenorth> or no obviously *always better* default 12:34:57 <NGC3982> You never know, it might reach critical mass in your face. 12:35:47 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 12:36:25 <Wolf01> here i am, with windows ten 12:45:51 <Eddi|zuHause> so you should be Wolf10 now? 12:45:59 <Wolf01> mmmh 12:46:07 <Wolf01> nah 12:46:48 <__ln__> hey, i was about to say that 12:48:31 *** supermop [~supermop@cpe-72-227-233-40.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:01:16 <Wolf01> it's time to try if games get a performance improvement with this update... lets play... ottd 13:04:53 <planetmaker> :) 13:06:42 <Wolf01> mmmh, my icons on the start screen are gone, i need to find again all the stuff 13:23:28 <Eddi|zuHause> i guess that is "normal" for windows to move everything around with every version 13:44:14 *** Hiddenfunstuff [~Geth@a392.ip16.netikka.fi] has joined #openttd 13:47:39 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 13:55:07 *** Nathan1852 [~Nathan185@p5DC11C7C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:03:10 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 14:04:58 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483bd7.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 14:06:43 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [] 14:20:55 *** TELK [~oftc-webi@61.101.44.235] has joined #openttd 14:21:55 <TELK> Hi, uploading new stuff at bananas still not works. 14:22:10 <planetmaker> TELK, did you try to use musa? 14:22:29 <TELK> sorry what is musa? 14:22:51 <planetmaker> our bananas upload tool: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=63119 14:23:08 <TELK> I'll try it, thxs 14:24:46 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 14:36:03 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 14:39:00 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 14:46:23 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 14:46:26 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 14:47:47 <andythenorth> o/ 14:48:54 <TELK> Thanks planetmaker, musa works. 14:51:46 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 14:51:49 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 14:54:56 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 14:58:07 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:05:08 *** TELK [~oftc-webi@61.101.44.235] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:13:34 *** frosch123 [~frosch@x4d0097d4.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #openttd 15:14:08 *** liq3 [liq3@CPE-120-147-178-81.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 15:22:00 <Alberth> hoi 15:22:55 <frosch123> hola 15:34:27 <planetmaker> so musa works :) 15:56:11 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 16:06:55 *** TheMask96 [martijn@gluttony.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:09:19 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6AB27.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 16:11:38 *** TheMask96 [martijn@gluttony.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 16:14:22 *** Progman [~progman@p57A184DC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:15:19 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:15:22 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 16:38:46 *** shirish [~quassel@117.195.107.47] has joined #openttd 16:40:20 *** shirish [~quassel@0001358e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:43:23 * andythenorth FIRS-ing 16:46:24 <Alberth> hi hi 17:01:28 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@95.76.27.245] has joined #openttd 17:07:34 <frosch123> imagine you were one of those who maintain flash :p 17:07:43 *** Wormnest [~Wormnest@s5596abd2.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 17:11:30 <Eddi|zuHause> you'd quit now and say "what a relief..." 17:12:07 <Alberth> ha, like the next piece of software is going to be any better :p 17:12:24 <frosch123> it will have a better image for some while 17:12:52 <frosch123> but people have been beating on flash for 5 years and more? 17:13:05 <Eddi|zuHause> well, like microsoft did with discarding internet explorer 17:23:51 <peter1138> flash? what? 17:38:29 *** Nathan1852 is now known as Guest246 17:38:32 *** Nathan1852 [~Nathan185@p5DC11C7C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:45:10 *** Guest246 [~Nathan185@p5DC11C7C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:47:18 *** gelignite [~gelignite@mue-88-130-115-020.dsl.tropolys.de] has joined #openttd 17:58:33 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@ppp118-209-134-94.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:58:45 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@ppp118-209-134-94.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 18:18:57 <andythenorth> ha 18:18:58 <andythenorth> flash 18:19:56 <frosch123> were you part of the initial development in your youth? 18:20:22 <frosch123> and then went on to join the development of ie6? 18:20:44 <frosch123> would be an awesome cv :p 18:24:06 <frosch123> hmm, it's actually tuesday 18:24:39 <Alberth> yep, and september 1st 18:24:52 <frosch123> that i know :) 18:25:02 <Alberth> ah, good :) 18:25:05 <frosch123> thus, release time 18:25:15 <Alberth> oh? :o 18:25:31 <frosch123> but the debian changelog entry contains a week day 18:25:43 <Alberth> ah :) 18:25:44 <frosch123> which i had some difficulties with :p 18:27:07 <andythenorth> why didnât we limit the game to 1850-2050 :P 18:27:10 <frosch123> anyway, i still do not know who reads the release news posts, but we had only half the testers in double the rc time 18:27:14 <andythenorth> all problems would be solved 18:28:07 <frosch123> andythenorth: enable window 10's gui zoom, that hides both the toolbar and the statusbar 18:28:14 <frosch123> no date, problem solved 18:28:33 <frosch123> they added that feature specifically for you, to convert you from max 18:28:35 <frosch123> *c 18:28:36 <Alberth> limit all industries to 1850? 18:28:49 <andythenorth> ha 18:28:50 <andythenorth> also 18:29:33 <Alberth> I mean they get 200 years of play, and still not enough?? 18:29:34 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r27392 /branches/1.5 (5 files in 3 dirs) (2015-09-01 20:29:29 +0200 ) 18:29:35 <DorpsGek> [1.5] -Update: Documentation 18:30:27 <Eddi|zuHause> yes. force-quit the game in 2050... that invalidates all the coop and maglev-only styles :p 18:30:31 <frosch123> Alberth: if you increase the purchase costs to "raise" difficulty, you have to run the game on fast forward while afk, to get money for the next thing 18:31:06 <Alberth> ? 18:31:23 <Alberth> oh, for longer play 18:31:42 <Alberth> well, don't play hard setting when you cannot handle it :) 18:31:55 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r27393 /tags/1.5.2 (10 files in 4 dirs) (2015-09-01 20:31:52 +0200 ) 18:31:56 <DorpsGek> -Release: 1.5.2 18:39:54 <andythenorth> \o/ 18:40:10 <peter1138> o/\ 18:41:37 <andythenorth> your arm is broken? 18:41:48 <andythenorth> or you fell over? 18:42:02 <andythenorth> or that is some other appendage? 18:42:59 <glx> or he's fishing 18:43:14 <frosch123> maybe he rotated left 18:43:21 <frosch123> without carry 18:43:58 <andythenorth> overflowed to a negative? 18:43:59 <Eddi|zuHause> or maybe he fell over 18:44:09 <andythenorth> heâs drunk 18:44:20 <frosch123> more than usual? 18:51:49 *** Biolunar_ [Biolunar@x5d822085.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:55:43 <_dp_> hm, so there was rc after all... I saw it in svn but didn't take in seriously since there was no announcement. 19:02:36 *** DorpsGek changed the topic of #openttd to: 1.5.2 | Website: *.openttd.org (translator: translator, server list: servers, wiki: wiki, patches & bug-reports: bugs, revision log: hg, release info: finger) | Don't ask to ask, just ask | 'Latest' is not a valid version, 'Most recent' neither | English only | Logs: @logs | #openttd.dev if this channel is really spammy 19:17:16 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 19:39:40 *** wald [~ImWald@178.135.82.93] has joined #openttd 19:41:25 *** Nathan1852 is now known as Guest257 19:41:32 *** Nathan1852 [~Nathan185@p5DC11C7C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:48:26 *** Guest257 [~Nathan185@p5DC11C7C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:15:35 <planetmaker> hm, so we missed the announcement, eh? :S 20:15:48 <frosch123> you have a chance this time :p 20:16:17 <planetmaker> :D 20:16:22 <planetmaker> making a release when? 20:16:35 <frosch123> it's on the page for an hour :p 20:21:46 *** Ether_Man [DJ@84.219.232.62] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:27:48 *** Nathan1852 [~Nathan185@p5DC11C7C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #openttd [Bye :)] 20:34:03 *** Hiddenfunstuff [~Geth@a392.ip16.netikka.fi] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Like it? Visit #hydrairc on EFNet] 20:37:58 <andythenorth> bah 20:38:11 <andythenorth> industry intro year means adding a switch to a cb chain 20:38:22 <andythenorth> canât use the existing property handling :P 20:40:17 * andythenorth considers removing all intro years 20:40:27 <andythenorth> it causes no end of problems 20:41:35 <andythenorth> I should switch it to use probability instead http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/Callbacks#Industry_availability_.2822.29 20:42:09 <andythenorth> probability is static for industry lifetime, or varies 20:42:23 <andythenorth> hmm could vary on a continuous gradient 20:42:29 <andythenorth> this is an Eddi shaped idea 20:42:31 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@95.76.27.245] has quit [] 20:52:54 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: I want to vary industry construction probability by year. Should I do it sawtooth (step changes), or interpolating between values (smooth gradient), or something else? 20:53:20 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@50-37-84-57.mscw.id.frontiernet.net] has joined #openttd 20:59:08 <frosch123> andythenorth: step changes are good enough. industries do not spawn suddenly, so there is already one step of smoothing 20:59:34 <andythenorth> I wonder about pathological results at map gen 20:59:49 <andythenorth> start in 1869, get one set of industries, start in 1870 get a very different set 20:59:54 <andythenorth> dunno, might be overthinking it 21:00:04 <frosch123> call it a feature :) 21:00:19 <andythenorth> ha 21:01:00 <andythenorth> simpler calculation this way 21:01:15 <andythenorth> Iron Horse etc already have the same code for vehicle livery variations 21:01:28 <andythenorth> (stepped) 21:02:38 <andythenorth> also bedtime :) 21:02:38 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has left #openttd [] 21:08:33 *** Progman_ [~progman@p57A191F0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:11:01 *** CompuDesktop [~quassel@2604:6000:120a:a00a:e8f7:2f47:4720:19b] has joined #openttd 21:13:55 *** Progman [~progman@p57A184DC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:14:08 *** Progman_ is now known as Progman 21:14:58 *** frosch123 [~frosch@x4d0097d4.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 21:16:03 <Eddi|zuHause> err.... sure... 21:16:46 *** Compu [~quassel@2604:6000:120a:8025:657f:b6b0:10c0:b955] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:17:08 *** gelignite [~gelignite@mue-88-130-115-020.dsl.tropolys.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/1kso8Ta] 21:19:31 *** CompuDesktop [~quassel@2604:6000:120a:a00a:e8f7:2f47:4720:19b] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:50:18 *** Compu [~quassel@cpe-67-241-224-121.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 21:53:53 *** Progman [~progman@p57A191F0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:54:55 *** Tirili [~chatzilla@2a02:8109:680:2478:260:6eff:fe42:7728] has joined #openttd 22:05:31 *** Wormnest [~Wormnest@s5596abd2.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:29:21 *** Biolunar [Biolunar@x5d822085.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #openttd 22:39:17 *** DDR [~David@S0106001f16aa47bc.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:55:55 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6AB27.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:58:15 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@50-37-84-57.mscw.id.frontiernet.net] has quit [Quit: Valete omnes] 23:03:54 *** Tirili [~chatzilla@2a02:8109:680:2478:260:6eff:fe42:7728] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [SeaMonkey 2.33.1/20150410200411]] 23:12:20 *** smoke_fumus [~smoke_fum@188.35.176.90] has joined #openttd 23:21:51 *** liq3 [liq3@CPE-120-147-178-81.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 23:29:26 *** Biolunar [Biolunar@x5d822085.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:43:38 *** wald [~ImWald@178.135.82.93] has quit [Quit: wald]