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07:10:09 <V453000> EXPLAIN 07:10:38 <andythenorth> because itâs all fucked on bananas 07:10:46 <andythenorth> and I have to keep explaining why to users 07:10:48 <andythenorth> stupid 07:11:48 <V453000> bananas bullshit isnt your fault 07:15:03 <V453000> but I understand how annoying it is to hear "wtf not available to stable" all the time 07:15:38 <V453000> you should request removal of newgrf and/or sabotage your newgrfs! 07:15:43 <V453000> solutions! 07:17:39 <andythenorth> I am going to remove 2.0 from Bananas 07:18:08 <V453000> you coudl uplaod 2.01 without version limitation? 07:18:14 <V453000> hm guess not if it requires that eh 07:18:15 <V453000> XD 07:18:59 <V453000> would be nicer if player got error upon newgrf adding "get new version nube" instead of not being able to find something due to untold reasons 07:23:28 <andythenorth> I could upload 1.4.4, but renumbered as 2.0.1 07:23:32 <andythenorth> but that is bollocks :) 07:23:35 <V453000> haha 07:23:54 <V453000> well, not showing latest compatible version is even more bollocks 07:24:01 <V453000> I would have probably done that in your place 07:24:26 <V453000> admittedly, some of my newGRFs were trunk-only for some time, but my users are a bit different than yours 07:36:52 <andythenorth> I am honestly surprised that people use FIRS 07:37:01 <andythenorth> the download counts are not very high on bananas 07:37:07 <andythenorth> the forum thread is pretty quiet 07:37:25 <andythenorth> my impression has been that ECS is vastly more popular, judging by screenshots and so on 07:37:51 <V453000> you look in wrong places :) 07:38:03 <V453000> screenshots are realism faggots most of the time 07:38:13 <V453000> actual playing servers almost never use ECS 07:38:41 <V453000> if openttdcoop uses ECS, it means someone of the admins got a mental breakdown 07:38:50 <V453000> FIRS is sometimes used on the other hand 07:42:44 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has joined #openttd 07:53:03 <andythenorth> bbl 07:53:05 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 08:01:40 *** roidal [~roland@194-152-171-84.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 08:28:47 <Eddi|zuHause> <V453000> EXPLAIN <-- you sound like a dalek... 08:30:50 *** smoke_fumus [~smoke_fum@188.35.176.90] has joined #openttd 08:46:04 <mari_kiri> EXPLAININATE 08:47:13 *** JezK [~jez@2407:7800:400:107f:3db5:daca:8457:e66a] has quit [Quit: :q!] 10:37:14 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host215-3-dynamic.40-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 10:37:29 <Wolf01> o/ 10:40:45 *** Hiddenfunstuff [~Geth@a392.ip16.netikka.fi] has joined #openttd 10:54:12 *** Pereba [~UserNick@187.113.95.155] has joined #openttd 11:32:34 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:33:10 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 12:11:12 *** urdh [~urdh@00013d7a.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:15:32 *** urdh [~urdh@00013d7a.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 12:19:34 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has quit [] 12:31:00 <Demosthenex> hrm. so cargodist does a good job illustrating a route, so i'm doing a bunch of point ot point connections.... 12:31:16 <Demosthenex> is there a way to pull up the vehicles on a route (ie: click the route lines?) 12:36:07 <planetmaker> depends on whether you use groups or not 12:36:23 <planetmaker> it needs some manual maintenance for those groups 12:43:34 <Demosthenex> i almost want queries instead :P 12:43:42 <Demosthenex> you can't mass rename for instance 12:43:48 <Demosthenex> i guess i should check on groups again 12:44:06 <Demosthenex> so if they are grouped, you can click the cargo lines? 12:48:48 <planetmaker> not that. But you can then access all vehicles in that group. And most often people use it to group them by cargo lines 12:48:59 <planetmaker> and you do use shared orders, do you? 12:54:03 *** DDR [~David@S0106001f16aa47bc.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:54:33 <Eddi|zuHause> click a vehicle, click its timetable, there's a button on the lower right that gives you a list of all vehicles that use this shared timetable 12:55:17 <Eddi|zuHause> similarly, you can click a station, and get a list of all vehicles that use that station 12:58:53 <Demosthenex> yeah, i've been using those 12:59:15 <Demosthenex> just hard ot search through 20 vehicles for 2 cities in common on their route... 12:59:43 <Demosthenex> which is why i was hoping i could click a cargodist route and see what vehicles it was calculating from 13:00:05 <Eddi|zuHause> that's not really how it works 13:00:29 <Demosthenex> no, i guess not now, but could you see that as a useful feature? 13:00:58 <Eddi|zuHause> sure, useful. but not practical. 13:14:31 *** TheMask96 [martijn@gluttony.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:20:00 *** TheMask96 [martijn@lust.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 13:47:54 *** roidal_ [~roland@194-152-172-155.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 13:54:43 *** roidal [~roland@194-152-171-84.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:39:00 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@dns25-173.cbu.edu] has joined #openttd 15:05:11 *** smoke_fumus [~smoke_fum@188.35.176.90] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 15:27:34 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19CF0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:31:16 *** Wormnest [~Wormnest@s5596abd2.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 15:31:45 *** roidal [~roland@62-46-137-30.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 15:36:58 *** roidal_ [~roland@194-152-172-155.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:57:43 *** TheMask96 [martijn@lust.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:02:44 *** TheMask96 [martijn@lust.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 16:07:10 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 16:07:13 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 16:20:28 <Terkhen> Hello 16:25:17 <Alberth> hello 16:31:57 *** roidal [~roland@62-46-137-30.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.2] 16:41:39 <Rubidium> bonsoir 16:41:45 <Alberth> evenink 16:54:19 *** roidal [~roland@62-46-137-30.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 16:55:14 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:55:17 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 16:57:23 *** Biolunar [Biolunar@x4d08fc57.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:06:03 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@dns25-173.cbu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:08:12 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has joined #openttd 17:18:27 *** frosch123 [~frosch@x4d0099c1.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #openttd 17:24:26 *** Wormnest [~Wormnest@s5596abd2.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:29:06 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r27406 trunk/src/tree_cmd.cpp (2015-09-30 19:28:58 +0200 ) 17:29:07 <DorpsGek> -Doc: Use same start/end tile convention in CmdPlantTree as in other TileArea commands. (HackaLittleBit) 17:33:09 *** Biolunar [Biolunar@x4d08fc57.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #openttd 17:35:08 *** Biolunar [Biolunar@x4d08fc57.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [] 17:37:45 *** liq3 [liq3@CPE-120-148-51-74.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 17:51:32 *** Arveen [~Arveen@ip-95-223-75-47.hsi16.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #openttd 18:23:06 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 18:25:10 <andythenorth> o/ 18:25:18 <Alberth> o/ 18:25:24 <andythenorth> is cat? 18:25:28 <andythenorth> or isn't? 18:25:41 <Rubidium> yes 18:26:06 <andythenorth> exactly 18:26:30 <andythenorth> so Iâm to branch FIRS at the 1.4.4 tag, bump the version, and tag that as 1.4.5, then put it on bananas 18:26:36 <andythenorth> does that actually solve the problem, or just make it worse? 18:27:20 <frosch123> make sure that the newgrf version is not newer than the 2.0 18:27:42 <frosch123> your 1.4.5 should be newer on bananas, but older within ottd, for those who downloaded 2.0 18:28:14 <andythenorth> right 18:28:21 * andythenorth checks 18:30:27 <andythenorth> ok so the version would be the repo version 18:31:08 <andythenorth> which is given in the makefile as 18:31:09 <andythenorth> REPO_REVISION := $(shell HGPLAIN= $(HG) id -n | cut -d+ -f1) 18:31:30 <andythenorth> so eh, I have NFI if that would be newer than 2.0 18:31:43 <frosch123> well, then you need to fake that :) 18:32:02 <frosch123> are there any real differences between 1.4.4 and 1.4.5 ? 18:32:51 <frosch123> i guess assign a hardcoded version number in 1.4.5, and don't use the automatic 18:33:00 <andythenorth> no differences 18:33:07 <andythenorth> itâs just a re-release 18:33:14 <frosch123> well, then don't commit 18:33:17 <andythenorth> can I just bump the version in bananas? 18:33:22 <andythenorth> and donât bother with a tag? 18:33:37 <frosch123> build 1.4.4 and change only the version in the language files 18:33:57 <frosch123> different strings will result in a different md5sum, so banans accepts it as new 18:34:30 <frosch123> bananas doesn'T accept a file with the same md5sum, you have to make some dummy change, e.g. in some string or translation 18:35:13 <andythenorth> ok 18:35:23 <andythenorth> and then I distribute 2.0.0 via forums 18:42:29 <andythenorth> so in musa.ini, Iâm setting min. ottd version to 1.5 18:42:32 <andythenorth> does that sound right? 18:42:41 <andythenorth> compatibility is 1.5 or newer 18:43:31 <frosch123> what 1.5. feature does it use? 18:44:06 <andythenorth> itâs probably compatible back to 1.4 or 1.3, but I donât know that for a fact 18:44:12 <andythenorth> I know for a fact it is 1.5 compatible 18:44:57 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@dns25-173.cbu.edu] has joined #openttd 18:47:25 <andythenorth> yeah that has failed :( 18:47:37 * andythenorth must have done it wrong 18:49:25 <andythenorth> ugh 18:49:40 <andythenorth> donât test with 1.5.0-RC1 if you have set 1.5.0 as min. version :P 18:50:10 <andythenorth> also I set the description wrong 18:50:12 <andythenorth> oops 18:55:07 <Alberth> make an empty savegame with the 1.4.4 newgrf ? 18:56:41 <andythenorth> 1.4.5 is there 18:56:43 *** Speedy [~speedy@the.wrong.domain.name] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:56:50 <andythenorth> but is described as â2.0.0-alphaâ :P 18:56:56 <andythenorth> brown bag release 18:57:04 <andythenorth> and now bananas wonât accept the 1.4.6 I made 18:57:26 <andythenorth> nvm 18:57:53 <andythenorth> :o 18:58:00 <andythenorth> bananas web interface just worked :o 18:58:24 * andythenorth edited the description 19:01:28 <andythenorth> what happens if I have a savegame with 2.0.0 in it? 19:01:34 <andythenorth> is that now broken for Bananas? 19:03:09 <Rubidium> why would it be? 19:04:37 *** gelignite [~gelignite@mue-88-130-88-157.dsl.tropolys.de] has joined #openttd 19:15:09 <andythenorth> because andythenorth doesnât understand bananas 19:15:54 <andythenorth> I dont know if 1.4.5 is seen as the upgrade to the 2.0.0 releases 19:16:08 <andythenorth> in which case the savegames are broken 19:18:56 <frosch123> banans upgrades and savegame upgrades are different 19:19:02 <frosch123> bananas versions in the order you upload 19:19:15 <frosch123> savegames version with the a14 version number 19:20:36 <Ram-Z> Eddi|zuHause: no, hotkeys.cfg doesn't support remapping the scroll keys :( 19:26:18 <Ram-Z> also... how can I map something to "space" ? 19:27:53 <frosch123> http://hg.openttd.org/trunk.hg/file/8d0a338b3957/src/hotkeys.cpp#l37 <- there are only those keywords, letters and digits 19:28:49 * andythenorth edits forum post 19:32:02 <Ram-Z> frosch123: any technical reasons why space wouldn't work? 19:32:23 <Ram-Z> I get that arrow keys might be a bit more dificult: https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/blob/HEAD/src/video/sdl_v.cpp#L749 19:32:35 <Ram-Z> but space should be easy right? 19:32:44 <frosch123> no idea 19:32:55 <frosch123> iirc some keys were left out because they are used in weird ways 19:33:02 <frosch123> but maybe space was just forgotten :) 19:33:40 <Ram-Z> let me try to add space 19:34:50 <frosch123> space is used to close news items and error popups 19:35:03 <frosch123> no idea whether the focus order make that conflict with hotkey uage 19:35:26 <Ram-Z> hm :/ 19:37:13 <frosch123> scrolling is not hotkeyable because of _dirkeys 19:37:39 <frosch123> i.e. because they act while held down, and now once when pressed 19:38:29 <frosch123> s/now/not/ 19:38:38 <Ram-Z> yeah, realized that that would be difficult to implement(if at all) while looking through the code 19:44:29 <_dp_> I tried adding space to hotkeys once and that didn't work well 19:46:04 <Ram-Z> :( 19:46:59 <_dp_> Yeah, it's quite annoying that some good keys are hardcoded to useless functions. 19:48:42 <Ram-Z> yeah, I curently can't use hotkeys because I can't scroll with WASD and have my left hand on the arrow keys... with the exception of CTRL there's nothing you can reach there 19:50:50 <_dp_> I rebinded all hotkeys to left half of keyboard, and scroll with mouse 19:51:43 <Ram-Z> don't really like the mouse scrolling... feels so clunky 19:53:35 <_dp_> it's faster than scrolling with keyboard and goes well with mousewheel zoom 20:09:56 <Ram-Z> yeah but it's so much moving with one hand 20:11:26 *** Arveen [~Arveen@ip-95-223-75-47.hsi16.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 20:12:38 *** frosch123 [~frosch@x4d0099c1.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 20:19:38 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 20:22:17 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has left #openttd [] 20:29:01 <Terkhen> good night 20:39:27 *** Hiddenfunstuff [~Geth@a392.ip16.netikka.fi] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The professional IRC Client :D] 20:51:52 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:04:39 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has quit [] 21:05:02 *** Pereba [~UserNick@187.113.95.155] has quit [Quit: Looking for a new irc client? 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