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07:06:50  <andythenorth> fs
07:07:03  * andythenorth wishes he had never released FIRS 2
07:07:09  <andythenorth> it’s a mess
07:10:00  <V453000> XD why?
07:10:09  <V453000> EXPLAIN
07:10:38  <andythenorth> because it’s all fucked on bananas
07:10:46  <andythenorth> and I have to keep explaining why to users
07:10:48  <andythenorth> stupid
07:11:48  <V453000> bananas bullshit isnt your fault
07:15:03  <V453000> but I understand how annoying it is to hear "wtf not available to stable" all the time
07:15:38  <V453000> you should request removal of newgrf and/or sabotage your newgrfs!
07:15:43  <V453000> solutions!
07:17:39  <andythenorth> I am going to remove 2.0 from Bananas
07:18:08  <V453000> you coudl uplaod 2.01 without version limitation?
07:18:14  <V453000> hm guess not if it requires that eh
07:18:15  <V453000> XD
07:18:59  <V453000> would be nicer if player got error upon newgrf adding "get new version nube" instead of not being able to find something due to untold reasons
07:23:28  <andythenorth> I could upload 1.4.4, but renumbered as 2.0.1
07:23:32  <andythenorth> but that is bollocks :)
07:23:35  <V453000> haha
07:23:54  <V453000> well, not showing latest compatible version is even more bollocks
07:24:01  <V453000> I would have probably done that in your place
07:24:26  <V453000> admittedly, some of my newGRFs were trunk-only for some time, but my users are a bit different than yours
07:36:52  <andythenorth> I am honestly surprised that people use FIRS
07:37:01  <andythenorth> the download counts are not very high on bananas
07:37:07  <andythenorth> the forum thread is pretty quiet
07:37:25  <andythenorth> my impression has been that ECS is vastly more popular, judging by screenshots and so on
07:37:51  <V453000> you look in wrong places :)
07:38:03  <V453000> screenshots are realism faggots most of the time
07:38:13  <V453000> actual playing servers almost never use ECS
07:38:41  <V453000> if openttdcoop uses ECS, it means someone of the admins got a mental breakdown
07:38:50  <V453000> FIRS is sometimes used on the other hand
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07:53:03  <andythenorth> bbl
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08:28:47  <Eddi|zuHause> <V453000> EXPLAIN <-- you sound like a dalek...
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08:46:04  <mari_kiri> EXPLAININATE
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10:37:29  <Wolf01> o/
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12:31:00  <Demosthenex> hrm. so cargodist does a good job illustrating a route, so i'm doing a bunch of point ot point connections....
12:31:16  <Demosthenex> is there a way to pull up the vehicles on a route (ie: click the route lines?)
12:36:07  <planetmaker> depends on whether you use groups or not
12:36:23  <planetmaker> it needs some manual maintenance for those groups
12:43:34  <Demosthenex> i almost want queries instead :P
12:43:42  <Demosthenex> you can't mass rename for instance
12:43:48  <Demosthenex> i guess i should check on groups again
12:44:06  <Demosthenex> so if they are grouped, you can click the cargo lines?
12:48:48  <planetmaker> not that. But you can then access all vehicles in that group. And most often people use it to group them by cargo lines
12:48:59  <planetmaker> and you do use shared orders, do you?
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12:54:33  <Eddi|zuHause> click a vehicle, click its timetable, there's a button on the lower right that gives you a list of all vehicles that use this shared timetable
12:55:17  <Eddi|zuHause> similarly, you can click a station, and get a list of all vehicles that use that station
12:58:53  <Demosthenex> yeah, i've been using those
12:59:15  <Demosthenex> just hard ot search through 20 vehicles for 2 cities in common on their route...
12:59:43  <Demosthenex> which is why i was hoping i could click a cargodist route and see what vehicles it was calculating from
13:00:05  <Eddi|zuHause> that's not really how it works
13:00:29  <Demosthenex> no, i guess not now, but could you see that as a useful feature?
13:00:58  <Eddi|zuHause> sure, useful. but not practical.
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16:20:28  <Terkhen> Hello
16:25:17  <Alberth> hello
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16:41:39  <Rubidium> bonsoir
16:41:45  <Alberth> evenink
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17:29:06  <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r27406 trunk/src/tree_cmd.cpp (2015-09-30 19:28:58 +0200 )
17:29:07  <DorpsGek> -Doc: Use same start/end tile convention in CmdPlantTree as in other TileArea commands. (HackaLittleBit)
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18:25:10  <andythenorth> o/
18:25:18  <Alberth> o/
18:25:24  <andythenorth> is cat?
18:25:28  <andythenorth> or isn't?
18:25:41  <Rubidium> yes
18:26:06  <andythenorth> exactly
18:26:30  <andythenorth> so I’m to branch FIRS at the 1.4.4 tag, bump the version, and tag that as 1.4.5, then put it on bananas
18:26:36  <andythenorth> does that actually solve the problem, or just make it worse?
18:27:20  <frosch123> make sure that the newgrf version is not newer than the 2.0
18:27:42  <frosch123> your 1.4.5 should be newer on bananas, but older within ottd, for those who downloaded 2.0
18:28:14  <andythenorth> right
18:28:21  * andythenorth checks
18:30:27  <andythenorth> ok so the version would be the repo version
18:31:08  <andythenorth> which is given in the makefile as
18:31:09  <andythenorth> REPO_REVISION  := $(shell HGPLAIN= $(HG) id -n | cut -d+ -f1)
18:31:30  <andythenorth> so eh, I have NFI if that would be newer than 2.0
18:31:43  <frosch123> well, then you need to fake that :)
18:32:02  <frosch123> are there any real differences between 1.4.4 and 1.4.5 ?
18:32:51  <frosch123> i guess assign a hardcoded version number in 1.4.5, and don't use the automatic
18:33:00  <andythenorth> no differences
18:33:07  <andythenorth> it’s just a re-release
18:33:14  <frosch123> well, then don't commit
18:33:17  <andythenorth> can I just bump the version in bananas?
18:33:22  <andythenorth> and don’t bother with a tag?
18:33:37  <frosch123> build 1.4.4 and change only the version in the language files
18:33:57  <frosch123> different strings will result in a different md5sum, so banans accepts it as new
18:34:30  <frosch123> bananas doesn'T accept a file with the same md5sum, you have to make some dummy change, e.g. in some string or translation
18:35:13  <andythenorth> ok
18:35:23  <andythenorth> and then I distribute 2.0.0 via forums
18:42:29  <andythenorth> so in musa.ini, I’m setting min. ottd version to 1.5
18:42:32  <andythenorth> does that sound right?
18:42:41  <andythenorth> compatibility is 1.5 or newer
18:43:31  <frosch123> what 1.5. feature does it use?
18:44:06  <andythenorth> it’s probably compatible back to 1.4 or 1.3, but I don’t know that for a fact
18:44:12  <andythenorth> I know for a fact it is 1.5 compatible
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18:47:25  <andythenorth> yeah that has failed :(
18:47:37  * andythenorth must have done it wrong
18:49:25  <andythenorth> ugh
18:49:40  <andythenorth> don’t test with 1.5.0-RC1 if you have set 1.5.0 as min. version :P
18:50:10  <andythenorth> also I set the description wrong
18:50:12  <andythenorth> oops
18:55:07  <Alberth> make an empty savegame with the 1.4.4 newgrf ?
18:56:41  <andythenorth> 1.4.5 is there
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18:56:50  <andythenorth> but is described as “2.0.0-alpha” :P
18:56:56  <andythenorth> brown bag release
18:57:04  <andythenorth> and now bananas won’t accept the 1.4.6 I made
18:57:26  <andythenorth> nvm
18:57:53  <andythenorth> :o
18:58:00  <andythenorth> bananas web interface just worked :o
18:58:24  * andythenorth edited the description
19:01:28  <andythenorth> what happens if I have a savegame with 2.0.0 in it?
19:01:34  <andythenorth> is that now broken for Bananas?
19:03:09  <Rubidium> why would it be?
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19:15:09  <andythenorth> because andythenorth doesn’t understand bananas
19:15:54  <andythenorth> I dont know if 1.4.5 is seen as the upgrade to the 2.0.0 releases
19:16:08  <andythenorth> in which case the savegames are broken
19:18:56  <frosch123> banans upgrades and savegame upgrades are different
19:19:02  <frosch123> bananas versions in the order you upload
19:19:15  <frosch123> savegames version with the a14 version number
19:20:36  <Ram-Z> Eddi|zuHause: no, hotkeys.cfg doesn't support remapping the scroll keys :(
19:26:18  <Ram-Z> also... how can I map something to "space" ?
19:27:53  <frosch123> http://hg.openttd.org/trunk.hg/file/8d0a338b3957/src/hotkeys.cpp#l37 <- there are only those keywords, letters and digits
19:28:49  * andythenorth edits forum post
19:32:02  <Ram-Z> frosch123: any technical reasons why space wouldn't work?
19:32:23  <Ram-Z> I get that arrow keys might be a bit more dificult: https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/blob/HEAD/src/video/sdl_v.cpp#L749
19:32:35  <Ram-Z> but space should be easy right?
19:32:44  <frosch123> no idea
19:32:55  <frosch123> iirc some keys were left out because they are used in weird ways
19:33:02  <frosch123> but maybe space was just forgotten :)
19:33:40  <Ram-Z> let me try to add space
19:34:50  <frosch123> space is used to close news items and error popups
19:35:03  <frosch123> no idea whether the focus order make that conflict with hotkey uage
19:35:26  <Ram-Z> hm :/
19:37:13  <frosch123> scrolling is not hotkeyable because of _dirkeys
19:37:39  <frosch123> i.e. because they act while held down, and now once when pressed
19:38:29  <frosch123> s/now/not/
19:38:38  <Ram-Z> yeah, realized that that would be difficult to implement(if at all) while looking through the code
19:44:29  <_dp_> I tried adding space to hotkeys once and that didn't work well
19:46:04  <Ram-Z> :(
19:46:59  <_dp_> Yeah, it's quite annoying that some good keys are hardcoded to useless functions.
19:48:42  <Ram-Z> yeah, I curently can't use hotkeys because I can't scroll with WASD and have my left hand on the arrow keys... with the exception of CTRL there's nothing you can reach there
19:50:50  <_dp_> I rebinded all hotkeys to left half of keyboard, and scroll with mouse
19:51:43  <Ram-Z> don't really like the mouse scrolling... feels so clunky
19:53:35  <_dp_> it's faster than scrolling with keyboard and goes well with mousewheel zoom
20:09:56  <Ram-Z> yeah but it's so much moving with one hand
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20:29:01  <Terkhen> good night
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22:06:38  <Ram-Z> _dp_: https://gist.github.com/f275fc29d35aa4c17360
22:07:11  <Ram-Z> this is just hacked together, there's nothing nice about it but I *CAN* now pause with SPACE \o/
22:07:39  <Ram-Z> and still close news windows with some other hotkey
22:16:41  <Ram-Z> I haven't touched src/error_gui.cpp, so am not sure how this is handled now
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