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00:04:30 <Wolf01> 'night 00:04:33 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 00:06:35 *** DDR [~david@d162-156-71-13.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 00:38:03 *** JezK [~jez@2407:7800:400:107f:3db5:daca:8457:e66a] has joined #openttd 00:47:42 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-98-14-130-227.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Snail] 01:19:36 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-98-14-130-227.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 01:21:09 *** Pereba [~UserNick@179.183.46.173] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:27:39 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-98-14-130-227.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:29:53 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-98-14-130-227.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 01:30:43 *** ryouma [~user@ip24-251-133-185.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #openttd 01:33:03 <ryouma> openttd is in full screen, so it's not possible to alt-tab to my other windows briefly. what does one typically do here? just quit out and take your notes and then start the game again? it crashes if i click on the fullscreen checkbox. 01:33:28 <JezK> use windowed mode 01:33:39 <JezK> or fullscreen windowed mode 01:34:00 <ryouma> JezK: how does one do that? i clicked below the resolution dropdown and it crashed. but kept playing music for a hwile. 01:34:14 <JezK> well i'm not sure why it crashes 01:34:16 <JezK> sounds like a bug 01:34:30 <JezK> should file a bug report if there's not one already 01:34:30 <ryouma> i do openttd -r 800x600 because that is the one that works for me 01:35:11 <ryouma> i ahven't yet gotten to the point of playing the game yet. still working on it. 01:41:02 <ryouma> can you make pop up dialogs when you click on something appear under the pointer? or in the middle of the screen? they show up on the left top currently. 01:43:55 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@000125f6.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:44:35 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 01:58:56 <Eddi|zuHause> ryouma: no, the window positioning rules are hardcoded 01:59:19 <Eddi|zuHause> ryouma: you can switch between windowed and fullscreen with alt+enter 02:00:14 <Eddi|zuHause> ryouma: but again, this crash is probably due to your video driver 02:22:54 <ryouma> thanks. is there a mouse event that will quit or must you use keyboard? 02:23:06 <ryouma> strangely audio volume control does nothing 02:28:01 <ryouma> i am trying to downlaod the beginnger's tutorial the way the wiki says, but the download button is greyed out when i select "beginner's tutorial" 02:28:24 <Eddi|zuHause> you can quit with the mouse, in the same menu where you can save the game 02:28:36 <ryouma> thanks 02:28:53 <ryouma> if i select to go to website, the game disappears and my regular desktop appears 02:29:03 <ryouma> is there a tutorial that can be downloaded or run? 02:29:39 <Eddi|zuHause> i have never tried a tutorial for this game 02:29:58 <Eddi|zuHause> i mean, other than reading the original manual from 1994... 02:30:17 <ryouma> ok, i will stick with the web tutorial then i guess 02:30:32 <ryouma> dunno why greyed out 02:31:32 <Eddi|zuHause> you have to click on the checkbox to select something for download, before you can actually download something 02:36:17 <ryouma> ohhhhhh that might work 02:40:03 *** fjb [~frank@000158aa.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:47:02 *** DDR [~david@d162-156-71-13.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:54:00 *** OsteHovel [~OsteHovel@c7815BF51.dhcp.as2116.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:55:41 *** OsteHovel [~OsteHovel@c7815BF51.dhcp.as2116.net] has joined #openttd 03:11:13 *** OsteHovel [~OsteHovel@c7815BF51.dhcp.as2116.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:11:25 *** OsteHovel [~OsteHovel@46.66.167.8.tmi.telenormobil.no] has joined #openttd 04:43:18 *** penut [~oftc-webi@64-251-149-211.fidnet.com] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:56:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC67894.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] 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- 1; 17:19:33 <_dp_> seing signed and unsigned mixed in one expression makes me sick %) 17:21:40 <Eddi|zuHause> using - on unsigned types should probably throw all sorts of warnings 17:22:38 <Eddi|zuHause> that might be wishful thinking, though :p 17:23:09 <Alberth> unsigned is mostly intended for bitfields only 17:26:56 <_dp_> I guess there is no warning here because behaviour is defined. But if you try compiling it on 16bit architecture there will be one probably. 17:28:23 <Alberth> ? 17:28:43 <Alberth> how is a 16bit architecture less defined? 17:28:46 *** peter1138 [~petern@00013681.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:28:48 *** peter1138 [~petern@00013681.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:28:51 *** mode/#openttd [+o peter1138] by ChanServ 17:30:12 <_dp_> If I got it right, on 32 bit grow_counter is converted to int because 1 is int and int can hold any value of uint16 17:30:59 <Alberth> sounds likely 17:31:14 <_dp_> on 16bit 1 will be converted to uint and result will be UINT_MAX that overflows int which is undefined behavior 17:32:01 <Alberth> if int is not 32bit at such an architecture 17:32:02 <_dp_> if grow_counter is 0 I mean 17:33:16 <_dp_> are there 16bit architectures with 32bit ints? 17:33:44 <Alberth> why not? 17:33:59 <Alberth> you can have long long on a 32bit architecture too 17:34:43 <Alberth> the compiler would need to split the int value over 2 addresses, but that's allowed 17:39:15 <_dp_> yeah, but that's kind of illogical 17:39:51 <Alberth> oh? 17:40:04 <_dp_> have 32bit int instead of 64 is understandable, that's for backwards compatibility 17:40:20 <_dp_> but 32bit instead of 16 ... for what? 17:41:20 <Alberth> bigger int values than 32767 17:47:11 <frosch123> _dp_: all classic processers multiple X bits with X bits to 2*X bits, and divide 2*X bits by X bits to X bits 17:47:41 <frosch123> so, all classic 8 bit cpus know 16bit values, all 16bit cpus know 32bit values, all 32bit cpus know 64 bit values and so on 17:48:05 <Alberth> /me worries about sse4.2 processors 17:48:17 <frosch123> for addition and subtraction no real cpu has any real limit 17:49:04 <frosch123> Alberth: yeah, mmx started to differ from that :) 17:49:27 <frosch123> by doing "saturated" arithmetics instead of overflowing ones 17:58:46 *** Pensacola [~quassel@88.159.51.52] has joined #openttd 18:18:05 *** Mucht [~Martin@000128e2.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:27:27 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 18:29:49 <andythenorth> o/ 18:29:53 <Alberth> hi hi 18:29:55 <Wolf01> o/ 18:34:47 <andythenorth> eh Sim City never really clicked for me, but some of you might like this http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2015/10/from-simcity-to-well-simcity-the-history-of-city-building-games/ 18:39:16 <andythenorth> hmm 18:39:21 <andythenorth> âIndustrial Minerals" 18:39:26 <andythenorth> as cargo :P 18:42:48 *** Raiz [~raiz@00020a02.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:44:24 *** Raiz [~raiz@00020a02.user.oftc.net] has quit [] 18:45:10 *** Raiz [~raiz@00020a02.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:51:13 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@dns25-176.cbu.edu] has joined #openttd 18:52:17 *** Raiz_ [~raiz@46.166.186.245] has joined #openttd 18:57:42 *** Raiz is now known as Guest4929 18:57:42 *** Raiz_ is now known as Raiz 18:59:03 *** Guest4929 [~raiz@00020a02.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:09:50 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6C2BC.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:02:58 *** drac_boy [~oftc-webi@modemcable027.125-163-184.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 20:03:00 <drac_boy> hi 20:08:13 *** Pensacola [~quassel@88.159.51.52] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:08:50 *** shirish_ [~quassel@117.195.105.219] has joined #openttd 20:09:38 *** liq3 [liq3@CPE-120-148-51-74.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 20:12:04 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@95.76.27.245] has quit [] 20:15:17 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1820E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:15:42 *** shirish [~quassel@0001358e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:18:43 *** shirish_ [~quassel@117.195.105.219] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:19:54 *** frosch123 [~frosch@x5f74246a.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 20:20:27 <drac_boy> heh? ^ 20:23:00 <drac_boy> anyway be back later 20:23:01 *** drac_boy [~oftc-webi@modemcable027.125-163-184.mc.videotron.ca] has left #openttd [] 20:35:26 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 20:45:30 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has left #openttd [] 20:50:42 *** shirish [~quassel@117.195.107.95] has joined #openttd 20:55:27 *** shirish_ [~quassel@117.195.103.194] has joined #openttd 21:00:38 *** shirish [~quassel@0001358e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:03:04 <_dp_> is it a gs limit that it can't execute more than one command per tick or is it a server one? 21:04:34 <Rubidium> bit of both 21:05:27 <Rubidium> to get an answer in MP, you need to wait until the event is sent to all clients which usually is the next tick 21:05:44 *** shirish_ [~quassel@117.195.103.194] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:05:52 <Rubidium> to make SP not be totally different, the same delay is forced by the GS/AI layer in SP as well 21:07:13 <_dp_> can't it send multiple commands at once? 21:07:44 <Rubidium> not if you want the "command" to return whether it succeeded or not 21:08:55 <Rubidium> and sending a load of commands from your GS without any return values might not be the best as you'd need to check whether the result of all those actions is what you wanted 21:09:22 <_dp_> hm, in my particular case I don't care about result 21:09:37 <Rubidium> e.g. if a player builds something where you as GS want to place something else in the same tick, then some of the commands might not have been executed 21:10:43 <_dp_> I'm doing cb so calling town growth rate command 21:11:20 <_dp_> I'm more concerned of it not being executed at same time for different towns(companies) than of its result 21:14:33 <_dp_> Btw, why does it have to wait for clients to get result? I though if server executed it locally than it has the result, clients getting different one means desync 21:29:44 <Rubidium> it's not wait for client, but wait for sending to clients; there is a configuration setting which tells how often (in ticks) a set of commands is sent to the clients 21:33:05 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.40.139.163] has joined #openttd 21:33:10 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.40.139.163] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:37:53 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1820E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:57:02 <_dp_> network.frame_freq you mean? it's not in config so is always 0 I suppose 21:57:55 <_dp_> and I don't think gs will work if it is set to smth else) 22:00:24 <_dp_> as I see it commands are accumulated and executed all at the end of frame, after gs does, so it only can get result on next frame even though it's available already 22:03:53 <Eddi|zuHause> that's a problem with sort-of-but-not-really asynchronous interface 22:04:21 <Eddi|zuHause> just live with the fact that you can only send one command per tick 22:04:47 <_dp_> with gs ;) 22:05:24 <_dp_> don't rly care much about gs as long as server itself is capable :) 22:09:41 *** Raiz [~raiz@00020a02.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.3] 22:23:55 *** Wormnest [~Wormnest@s5596abd2.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:36:12 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@dns25-176.cbu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:18:58 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-98-14-130-227.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 23:25:20 <Wolf01> 'night 23:25:23 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 23:44:43 *** JezK [~jez@2407:7800:400:107f:3db5:daca:8457:e66a] has joined #openttd 23:53:33 *** liq3 [liq3@CPE-120-148-51-74.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has quit []