Log for #openttd on 5th November 2015:
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00:16:21  <Wolf01> 'night
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05:11:32  <greeter> greetings everyone
05:20:32  <OsteHovel> Good morning
05:21:23  <greeter> how are you?
05:21:39  <OsteHovel> Great
05:21:45  <OsteHovel> I was first at work
05:21:48  <greeter> nice
05:22:20  <OsteHovel> That means i go home early too ;-)
05:22:28  <greeter> very nice
05:22:43  <greeter> either you have a very early start at work or you're quite a number of hours ahead of me
05:23:12  <OsteHovel> I started at work 06 in the morning (its now 06:22)
05:23:24  <ST2> sidenote: if someone searching for reddit's channel, it's #/r/openttd
05:23:26  <greeter> ah, so you're 5 hours ahead of me then
05:23:35  <ST2> not this one ^^
05:25:58  <OsteHovel> Long time since i played openTTD
05:26:27  <OsteHovel> My cussin and I usualy play it togheter, more fun playing with others
05:26:30  <greeter> it's been a while for me. i've spent so much time trying to make this scenario that i haven't played it, plus irl stuff gets in the way
05:26:42  <OsteHovel> Ye its that damn IRL stuff....
05:27:12  <greeter> and next week is really busy for me so that should prove interesting
05:30:46  <greeter> i did get some positive feedback about the description of the scenario i'm working on though, so i really want to get it done and post it to the forums to see what others think
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06:10:58  <andythenorth> o/
06:11:37  <greeter> greetings andythenorth
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08:01:39  <greeter> welcome back andythenorth
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08:21:13  <planetmaker> \o
08:25:01  <greeter> greetings planetmaker
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08:36:40  <Wolf01> o/
08:37:20  <greeter> greetings Wolf01
08:37:31  <greeter>'s_Cove-Blackhead-Broad_Cove something tells me this town has too long a name to fully enter into openttd
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10:25:14  <Wolf01> yeah, work for me... but it seem i don't have any of the requirements, maybe the "passion for games" one
10:26:22  <greeter> wish i qualified for the job too lol
10:28:18  <Wolf01> i wish to have warcraft 1 and 2 too... i have them, the dos version, also diablo 1 would be cool
10:28:50  <greeter> nice
10:31:13  <Wolf01> i remember when i found TTD and warcraft 1 at a game store (before gamestop), the clerk: "you know these don't work on windows?" "what's the problem? i can use dosbox" :D
10:32:01  <greeter> lol indeed
10:32:23  <greeter> i'd never even heard of ttd the first time i played openttd. i found it through a wikipedia article, skipped the history section, the game sounded fun so i got a copy
10:37:16  <Wolf01> i had a demo of TT somewhere, but i didn't play too much with it because i was really confused about signalling and how to set up trains and their schedule... then i found tt-forums via webring and started to learn how to play, i used ttdpatch for a long time and then ottd
10:37:32  * andythenorth wants to play WC 1 again
10:37:56  <andythenorth> is it actually good, or just hazy memories?
10:38:01  <andythenorth> ‘my liege'
10:38:05  <andythenorth> ‘stop clicking on me'
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10:38:23  <Wolf01> you can't use the right mouse button, you must remember this
10:39:06  * andythenorth has a mac, it’s easy to remember :P
10:39:09  <Wolf01> [M]-click, [A]-click, [H]-click...
10:39:09  <greeter> i found PBS confusing at first, but then after i spent enough time reading the manuals and comparing it with block signaling, i remember thinking "i can't believe block signaling was all that was available"
10:39:57  <Wolf01> i only use PBS now, maybe because i put 4-6 signals in the entire line XD
10:40:13  <Wolf01> just at the stations junctions
10:48:00  <greeter> i've never used block signals since i knew from the get go that pbs was better, i just took forever in finding out why and how to use it lol
10:48:22  <greeter> ever since i figured it out, i've built horribly complex and ugly rail networks that manage to get the job done
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11:08:17  <V453000> greeter: all of the signals are useful in many circumstances
11:08:51  <V453000> block signals can do things that PBS cant, and vice versa as well
11:12:43  <Eddi|zuHause> but nobody really needs to do the things that block signals do.
11:13:59  <V453000> yeah nobody
11:14:11  <V453000> this game is dead.
11:14:35  <Wolf01> we need inserters stations
11:14:47  <Wolf01> like factorio ones
11:15:05  <Wolf01> pick up from the industry and put on the train
11:15:29  <Wolf01> oh wait.. it already does that, with less animation
11:15:51  <andythenorth> V453000: we should have a funeral
11:16:06  <V453000> it is excellent to see a developer disagree that the game has variety Eddi. I already accepted the retarded "popular opinion" that PBS is more convenient to use (because people do not want to know the game properly and do not want to build big networks, that is fine) ... but saying that block signals are not useful in any way is just plain bullshit
11:16:51  <V453000> starting from pathfinding on bigger networks, a lot better control over block signals, or ending with any kind of useful pre-signal things
11:17:03  <V453000> your ignorance shines like a beacon.
11:18:25  <andythenorth> he said ‘needs’ :P
11:18:49  <V453000> if your trains are failing to pick the right path to go at choice points, you need to build block signals.
11:19:07  <V453000> but sure you CAN build a point-to-point network, avoiding any junctions
11:19:10  <V453000> sure yeah :)
11:19:36  <andythenorth> point-to-point is the way forward
11:19:40  <andythenorth> much better to play
11:19:58  <Wolf01> somebody said bacon?
11:20:05  <V453000> beacon?
11:20:09  <Wolf01> bacon
11:20:14  <V453000> becon
11:20:33  <andythenorth> V453000: can you render the OpenTTD logo on a gravestone? o_O
11:20:48  <V453000> can != will ?
11:21:03  <andythenorth> V453000: will you render the OpenTTD logo on a gravestone? o_O
11:21:34  <V453000> Dear Andy from up there, The answer you seek is no. Thank you for understanding, your beloved V
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11:21:53  <andythenorth> bah
11:21:57  <andythenorth> it would have looked good
11:22:51  <andythenorth> seems unreasonable :P
11:22:59  <V453000> it will bury itself, no need to bother
11:23:10  <Eddi|zuHause> V453000: i'm not actually a developer.
11:23:22  <V453000> does it actually matter Eddi|zuHause ?
11:23:29  <V453000> people probably listen to your shit
11:23:47  <Eddi|zuHause> also, yes. the sentence intentionally contained traces of bullshit :p
11:23:56  <Eddi|zuHause> it's called "trolling" :)
11:24:03  * andythenorth jarlsberg on toast
11:24:21  <V453000> guess we need a new saying instead of beating a dead horse "trolling a dead horse"
11:25:19  <Wolf01> somebody said toasted bacon?
11:26:25  <V453000> toasted biter
11:26:49  <Eddi|zuHause> tastes like chicken?
11:26:51  <andythenorth> trolling a dead biter
11:27:14  * andythenorth considers changing FIRS 2
11:27:18  <andythenorth> no industries
11:27:19  <andythenorth> no cargos
11:27:28  <Wolf01> now i have to get the car and go to the pub to eat a burger with bacon
11:27:33  <Eddi|zuHause> man, as soon as i said "chicken", the cat comes demanding food
11:27:38  <andythenorth> just a message at the beginning: “OpenTTD is now dead, go away"
11:28:13  <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: you can't change anything on the title screen
11:28:31  <Eddi|zuHause> only a base set can do that
11:29:21  <Wolf01> nobody stops you to change the game code and put a news ticker with silly sentences on the splash screen
11:29:24  <andythenorth> I can show an error / warning message at game start though
11:29:37  <andythenorth> I could include one cargo and two industries
11:29:40  <andythenorth> ‘dead openttd’ cargo
11:29:47  <andythenorth> ‘burial grounds’ destination
11:29:54  <andythenorth> NFI what the source industry is though
11:30:49  <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: sounds like a new economy :p
11:31:18  <Eddi|zuHause> toyland replacement: Halloween
11:31:48  <andythenorth> what makes an OpenTTD cargo?
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11:31:59  <fjb> Moin
11:32:19  <__ln__> 'qapla fjb
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11:36:59  <Wolf01> i would remove all the climates except toyland
11:37:42  <Wolf01> :Q___
11:38:43  <argoneus> why not remove all climates
11:38:45  <argoneus> and be done with it
11:38:54  <argoneus> make it a space game instead
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11:39:24  <andythenorth> just remove the game
11:40:00  <argoneus> and install what
11:40:03  <Wolf01> argoneus, galaxy express 999?
11:43:53  <Eddi|zuHause> hm... what was that guy called? SirXavius? with the OpenTTD+500 project?
11:45:14  <andythenorth> yes
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12:14:25  <MeSaber> hot discussions in here
12:14:31  <MeSaber> just as my internet broke
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12:44:03  <Wolf01> oh, IIRC today shit happened
12:50:30  <MeSaber> shit?
12:52:54  <Wolf01> it's the 5th of november, somewhere they are igniting fireworks
12:53:16  <Mazur> Burns day?
12:53:42  <Mazur> Oh, no, failed revolution day.
12:54:52  <Wolf01> yes, also i think i'll have to watch V, but i didn't even watch BttF on 21 october
12:55:20  <Mazur> Dismember, dismember, the 5th of Movember, something about Guy ....
12:55:23  <Mazur> Ritchie?
12:55:47  <Wolf01> yes, that one, indeed
12:56:34  <Mazur> BttF?
12:56:41  <Wolf01> back to the future
12:56:56  <Mazur> Ah, yes.  Did neither.
12:57:07  <MeSaber> i were thinking of doing it
12:57:08  <MeSaber> but didnt
12:57:19  <Mazur> 2 stations were broadcasting 1 & 2, and only one of them 3, as well.
12:57:24  <Mazur> 3 is the best one.
12:57:58  <Wolf01> i was too lazy to plug in my external dvd drive
12:58:19  <MeSaber> ever heard of teh internetz?
12:58:22  <MeSaber> :)
12:59:07  <Wolf01> i could "backup" it, but if i have something on disk i try to save hdd space
12:59:19  <Wolf01> i only have 10TB in total :P
12:59:32  <MeSaber> 10 tb of what?
12:59:39  <Wolf01> hdd space
12:59:50  <MeSaber> yes i got that part.. but what
13:00:07  <MeSaber> 10 tb of movies?
13:00:10  <MeSaber> pictures?
13:00:12  <Wolf01> 2TB just for steam games, other 2TB of backup
13:00:35  <Wolf01> some external hdds just for practical purposes
13:00:40  <MeSaber> 2 tb of steam games.. nice
13:00:47  <Mazur> 10 TB of pr0n, of course.
13:00:59  <Wolf01> and some movies/anime/series too
13:01:11  <Mazur> Well, 9, and 1 for "other".
13:01:13  <Wolf01> no, i don't need pr0n, there's interet for that
13:01:18  <MeSaber> i dont got much on my lappy
13:01:32  <__ln__> Wolf01: you need to have a backup of internet in case it goes down, obviously
13:01:33  <Wolf01> interet <-
13:01:41  <MeSaber> media folder is 470 gb
13:02:10  <Wolf01> __ln__ i would make a backup of myself in case of...
13:02:30  <Wolf01> but it seem i don't have enough space
13:02:37  <MeSaber> i dont do backups of one reason
13:02:40  <MeSaber> fresh starts :D
13:02:53  <MeSaber> nothing nicer than a clean pc
13:03:03  <MeSaber> and no crap stuff everywhere :D
13:03:05  <MeSaber> its like dust
13:03:19  <MeSaber> self made dust
13:08:31  <Wolf01> i have a bit of documents and family photos
13:11:38  <Eddi|zuHause> i have several TB worth of unwatched and uncut tv recordings
13:12:23  <Eddi|zuHause> which i should probably just delete and reover "backups" from the internet, like normal people :p
13:12:29  <Eddi|zuHause> *recover
13:22:25  <Wolf01> back to work now... i have to make a MoveToContact() function
13:22:43  <Wolf01> but first it would be cool to know the direction of the contact point
13:24:13  <MeSaber> work is for the poor
13:24:17  <MeSaber> you see what i did there?
13:24:18  <MeSaber> :D
13:33:04  <Eddi|zuHause> no, i don't
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14:38:09  <Flygon> I dunno how people can get over 1TB of porn
14:38:21  <Flygon> Then again, I suppose people download videos rather than stills
14:40:11  <Eddi|zuHause> ultra-HD combined with a hoarder instinct...
14:40:24  <Eddi|zuHause> it's not that unimaginable
14:40:49  <__ln__> Flygon: by downloading, i guess.
14:41:11  <Flygon> There's additional context that I'd like to provide but probably shouldn't :U
14:41:15  <Hiddenfunstuff> Quantity over quality
14:41:18  <Flygon> 4K porn...
14:41:24  * Flygon scratches head
14:41:28  <Hiddenfunstuff> inb4 VR porn
14:41:33  <Flygon> Already been done
14:41:42  <Flygon> I expected the furries to get to it first
14:41:45  <Flygon> But it was actually the Japanese
14:41:48  <Eddi|zuHause> rule 42?
14:41:58  <Eddi|zuHause> no, that's not the one
14:42:03  <Flygon> Rule 42 is that the meaning of life is 42
14:42:04  <Hiddenfunstuff> rule34 and 35
14:42:05  <Eddi|zuHause> rule 32
14:42:08  <Flygon> You're thinking of-
14:42:10  <Eddi|zuHause> ah
14:42:14  <Flygon> Eddi
14:42:18  <Flygon> I should feel bad for laughing
14:42:19  <Flygon> And I do
14:42:20  <Flygon> But
14:42:21  <Eddi|zuHause> i always get that wrong
14:42:23  <Flygon> Yeah
14:42:25  <Flygon> Sorry!
14:42:35  <Flygon> I am curious what Rule 32 IS
14:42:47  <Hiddenfunstuff> check internet.. theres lists
14:42:51  <Flygon> I'd ask the same guy that knows what Sage is
14:43:02  <Flygon> But he'd say that the list got muddled with the depths of time
14:43:02  <Hiddenfunstuff> most trustworthy might be tvtropes.. Though just dont click the links around the wiki
14:43:03  <Flygon> :U
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14:43:27  <Flygon> TVTropes Rule 34 article...
14:43:36  <Flygon> Reminds me of every time Cracked makes an article on Rule 34
14:43:37  <Flygon> And I think
14:43:43  <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think i'll look that up :p
14:43:50  <Flygon> "This guy didn't look very hard"
14:44:04  <Hiddenfunstuff> Tvtropes will ruin your life
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14:44:26  <Flygon> TVTropes didn't ruin my life
14:44:28  <Flygon> Rule 34 did :U
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14:44:43  <Hiddenfunstuff> Obviously you have not been to tvtropes
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14:45:17  <Flygon> I have
14:45:20  <Flygon> I never escaped
14:45:21  <Eddi|zuHause> i suppose "tvtropes will ruin your life" is a trope :p
14:45:23  <Flygon> Been there since 2009
14:45:27  <Hiddenfunstuff> yes it is a trope
14:45:33  <Flygon> YES IT BUGS ME
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14:45:55  <Hiddenfunstuff> most likely when you read that trope.. you are already beyond saving
14:46:21  <Eddi|zuHause> i don't even know what "trope" even means
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14:46:36  <Flygon> I always assumed trope was a made up word
14:46:42  <Flygon> Also apperantly I pronounce it weird
14:46:48  <Flygon> "Tr-oe-p"
14:46:50  <Flygon> oe as in rope
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14:47:06  <Hiddenfunstuff> ys
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14:47:26  <Eddi|zuHause> that's how i would pronounce it from only ever reading the word
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14:47:48  <Flygon> Again, I'd say "Why can't English be phonetic?"
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14:47:54  <Eddi|zuHause> but i wouldn't write it as "oe", as that means something completely different than you think :p
14:47:55  <Hiddenfunstuff> wait.. you read 'rope' as roep?
14:47:58  <Flygon> But each language variant would write it down differently
14:48:04  <Flygon> Hiddenstuff: Yeah
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14:48:05  <Hiddenfunstuff> or well.. say it as
14:48:08  <Hiddenfunstuff> What is wrong with you
14:48:15  <Flygon> I'm Australian?
14:48:18  <Hiddenfunstuff> acctually.. Damnit
14:48:25  <Hiddenfunstuff> I am doing it aswell
14:48:30  <Flygon> lol
14:48:39  <Hiddenfunstuff> or sometimes with u rather than e
14:48:49  <Flygon> Roup?
14:48:52  <Hiddenfunstuff> yep
14:48:54  <Flygon> Sounds like a name
14:49:01  <Hiddenfunstuff> more like soup
14:49:12  <Flygon> Like
14:49:14  <Flygon> Rupert
14:49:27  <Flygon> 'Rou-p...t'
14:49:28  <Flygon> Uhm
14:49:29  <Hiddenfunstuff> Still strange name
14:49:32  <Flygon> I can't write the second vowel in
14:49:44  <Flygon> There's no vowel-only combination for it in English :|
14:49:52  <Flygon> Despite it only being voels
14:49:54  <Flygon> vowels*
14:50:05  <Flygon> And the only umlauts I know are Finnish
14:50:12  <Hiddenfunstuff> :D
14:50:15  <Flygon> Which'd confuse the crap out of the Germans here
14:50:28  <Flygon> Because they'd wonder why I'd use the uber symbol
14:50:30  <Flygon> And even worse
14:50:30  <Hiddenfunstuff> Wouldnt think germans would be so confused
14:50:37  <Flygon> Since my Finnish reading is very rusty
14:50:42  <Hiddenfunstuff> becuase as far as i know they also use Ö and Ä
14:50:45  <Flygon> I'd probably be using the wrong u sound anyway
14:50:59  <Hiddenfunstuff> its just U
14:51:01  <Hiddenfunstuff> nothing else
14:51:02  <Flygon> Either way
14:51:05  <Eddi|zuHause> all the vowels in finnish are "À"
14:51:13  <Hiddenfunstuff> no
14:51:16  <Flygon> There's no ENGLISH way of writing the sound I want to represent
14:51:25  <Flygon> Despite it being an actual freakin' sound in English language
14:51:28  <Eddi|zuHause> Flygon: that's what IPA is for
14:51:33  <Flygon> No wonder we have zero vowel standardization
14:51:41  <Hiddenfunstuff> Actually rofl... I cant remember the vowels
14:51:43  <Flygon> We may's well use hyroglypths and throw out the vowels
14:51:47  <Flygon> Eddi: Aye
14:51:56  <Flygon> But I meant using English Alphabet, not IPA xP
14:52:10  <Hiddenfunstuff> neither do i remember the order of alphabets in the end
14:52:17  <Flygon> English does need a more phonetic method of being written, but it's impossible without creating new alphabets
14:52:23  <Eddi|zuHause> ever wonder how "w" became a consonant, when "u" is a vowel and "w" is "double-u"?
14:52:29  <Flygon> And some vowel sounds are impossible to represent with digraphs or trigraphs
14:52:46  <Flygon> Well, w is kind of half-way between a consonant and vowel tbh
14:52:54  <Flygon> It can be used as a sort-of vowel
14:52:59  <Hiddenfunstuff> what is the difference of consonant and vowel
14:53:03  <Eddi|zuHause> (and then the english screwed it up by even making "u" a consonant, sometimes)
14:53:33  <Flygon> Hell, the Aboriginal language from Alice Springs are basically used w as one of their vowels. If you counted vowels strictly, they'd have just TWO. w is basically the third
14:53:41  <Flygon> This makes the language incredibly painful to read.
14:54:10  <Flygon>
14:54:21  <Eddi|zuHause> Hiddenfunstuff: i think the "naive" definition is: a vowel is a sound by itself, and a consonant is only a sound in combination with a vowel
14:54:44  <Flygon> (and even worse, the two vowels that ARE there are pretty close counting)
14:54:47  <Hiddenfunstuff> That made no sense in my head.. Dont bother trying to teach me.. I'm not very good at recieving information
14:55:04  <Flygon> A consonant can be a sound independant
14:55:13  <Flygon> It just sounds incredibly stupid in English
14:55:44  <Flygon> And even then, there's some pretty long words in English that're vowelless
14:55:59  <Flygon> Like crwth (kr-wth)
14:56:11  <Flygon> Granted, that th is a digraph... but, you get my point
14:56:16  <Flygon> Four sounds, no vowels :B
14:56:21  <Eddi|zuHause> Hiddenfunstuff: if you try to describe the sound of a letter, a vowel is the same in both forms, like "a is spoken as a", whereas a consonant becomes more letters "j is spoken as jay"
14:56:41  <Hiddenfunstuff> Aaah yes
14:57:20  <Eddi|zuHause> which is a hugely simplified (and thus wrong) definition...
15:03:09  <Flygon> Eddi: As a kid, I kept wondering why everyone kept misspelling things with js in them
15:03:13  <Flygon> And I learned in my 20s
15:03:21  <Flygon> That the js were used to represent y sounds
15:03:38  <Flygon> It didn't help that Fjords in Australia tend to be called... er
15:03:39  <Flygon> Fords
15:03:44  <Flygon> We DROPPED THE SOUND
15:04:33  <Eddi|zuHause> Fords and Fjords are very different things, though
15:05:30  <Eddi|zuHause> Ford (or german Furt) is a shallow place in a river where you can cross (hence place names like Frankfurt), and Fjords are the coastal valleys in norway...
15:05:47  <Eddi|zuHause> which are not shallow at all :p
15:06:07  <Hiddenfunstuff> Seriously
15:06:20  <Hiddenfunstuff> Out of everything you could call Fjord.. you called them FORDS
15:08:18  <andythenorth> eh?
15:08:25  <Hiddenfunstuff> Ford..
15:08:29  <Hiddenfunstuff> Hnngh
15:08:34  <andythenorth> is a thing you cross a river with, or a car
15:08:40  <Hiddenfunstuff> the car..
15:08:45  * andythenorth missed 140 lines of this
15:08:48  <andythenorth> did I miss much?
15:08:52  <Hiddenfunstuff> not relaly
15:09:07  <Eddi|zuHause> lots of topic jumping :p
15:09:09  <Hiddenfunstuff> it felt like school's language lesson all over again
15:09:36  <Eddi|zuHause> i think the topic was porn, but i'm not sure :p
15:09:44  <Hiddenfunstuff> Oh yes
15:10:00  <Hiddenfunstuff> somehow it went from porn to 4K porn.. VR porn.. furries and ?? Somehow ended up in alphabets
15:10:19  <Eddi|zuHause> alphabet porn
15:10:20  <andythenorth> right
15:10:26  <andythenorth> I won’t scrollback
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15:30:05  <Flygon> Combine them together
15:30:13  <Flygon> And you get furry 4K VR alphabet porn
15:30:45  <andythenorth> that is a mental image I can’t unsee
15:34:55  <peter1138> I can't even imagine it, fortunately.
15:35:20  <Eddi|zuHause> it
15:35:28  <Eddi|zuHause> 's also beyond my realm of imagination
15:35:31  <Wolf01> like i can't imagine how to draw a timer bar of 300px in 64px
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15:38:46  <Wolf01> also the 300px are dynamic and i don't know the initial size
15:39:17  <Eddi|zuHause> so count in % and scale it to the actual size?
15:39:31  <Wolf01> yes
15:39:46  <Eddi|zuHause> how that is a hard problem is also beyond my realm of imagination
15:40:15  <Wolf01> if i knew the initial size it was easier :)
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16:41:16  <andythenorth> quak
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17:13:50  <frosch123> hola
17:25:43  <argoneus> hola hola
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17:45:17  <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r27436 trunk/src/lang/spanish.txt (2015-11-05 18:45:08 +0100 )
17:45:18  <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
17:45:19  <DorpsGek> spanish - 1 changes by SilverSurferZzZ
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18:54:23  <Wolf01> bah, i just stepped on rule 34 with cookies :|
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23:34:08  <greeter> greetings all
23:37:51  <Wolf01> o/
23:38:17  <greeter> what's new?
23:38:38  <Wolf01> this
23:40:13  <greeter> that looks like a puzzle of some sort
23:45:23  <Wolf01> it is, at least the code part...
23:45:31  <greeter> oh? you're coding this?
23:45:40  <Wolf01> yes
23:46:58  <greeter> sweet. what language?
23:48:34  <Wolf01> c#
23:49:20  <greeter> interesting
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23:52:19  <glx> and the icon looks like it's MFC
23:52:48  <greeter> hmm?
23:53:56  <Wolf01> it is
23:54:28  <Wolf01> i'm learning some basic things and i plan to switch to unity in future

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