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00:07:04 *** smoke_fumus [~smoke_fum@188.35.176.90] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 00:09:34 *** Clockworker_ [~Clockwork@189-10-214-27.paemt701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:09:49 *** Clockworker_ [~Clockwork@189-10-214-27.paemt701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #openttd 00:37:32 *** strohalm [~smoofi@212.37.175.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:38:32 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@000125f6.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:39:09 *** strohalm [~smoofi@212.37.175.238] has joined #openttd 00:49:34 *** ST2 [~ST2@2607:5300:60:1bde::1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:50:54 *** ST2 [~ST2@2607:5300:60:1bde::1] has joined #openttd 01:03:52 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-98-14-130-227.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 01:27:58 *** ST2 [~ST2@2607:5300:60:1bde::1] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:28:04 *** ST2 [~ST2@server02.btpro.nl] has joined #openttd 01:39:38 <supermop_> Eddi|zuHause: ideally the goal is to make it a public holiday, but that faces opposition from the people who stand to lose if the people who cannot afford to take off from hourly work to go vote were able to vote in larger numbers 01:40:30 <Eddi|zuHause> just make it on a sunday, like a civilized country 01:41:47 <supermop_> the same people oppose that for the same reasons 01:43:15 <supermop_> current electoral laws in this country mean that the electorate skews older, more affluent, suburban, and whiter than the adult population as a whole 01:44:27 <supermop_> and new york is fairly liberal in having its polls stay open from 7 am to 9pm 01:45:19 <supermop_> more conservative states have polls close much earlier, or even require that you show a driver's license or similar to vote 01:47:22 <supermop_> although those laws are fairly new and being challenged in the courts now 02:06:24 *** supermop_ [~supermop@pool-100-37-203-161.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:06:26 *** Clockworker__ [~Clockwork@189-10-214-27.paemt701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #openttd 02:13:49 *** Clockworker_ [~Clockwork@189-10-214-27.paemt701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:13:59 *** Clockworker__ [~Clockwork@189-10-214-27.paemt701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:14:10 *** Clockworker__ [~Clockwork@189-10-214-27.paemt701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #openttd 02:14:52 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:43:52 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 02:45:50 *** liq3 [liq3@CPE-120-147-195-191.gdiv2.lon.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 02:46:25 *** liq3 [liq3@CPE-120-147-195-191.gdiv2.lon.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 02:46:34 *** ST2 [~ST2@server02.btpro.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:46:50 *** ST2 [~ST2@2607:5300:60:1bde::1] has joined #openttd 02:48:58 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 04:29:02 *** Taco [~kitty@2402:9e80:1::1:9a37] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:37:46 *** Xal [~xal@S0106f0f2490b0073.vw.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.4] 04:39:33 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@108-221-157-231.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:43:05 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-98-14-130-227.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Snail] 05:59:00 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@i210033.upc-i.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 07:20:10 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 07:22:14 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 07:22:33 <Wolf01> o/ 08:02:05 *** ektor [~ektor@231-44-190-109.dsl.ovh.fr] has joined #openttd 08:14:06 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483bd7.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:17:00 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483bd7.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 08:36:55 *** Hiddenfunstuff [~Geth@y32.ip1.anvianet.fi] has joined #openttd 08:44:37 *** MonkeyDronez [~Monkey@84.255.166.107] has joined #openttd 08:47:26 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sloth.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:52:02 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 09:06:49 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc80661-stap13-2-0-cust817.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 09:20:52 *** ektor [~ektor@231-44-190-109.dsl.ovh.fr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:22:14 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc80661-stap13-2-0-cust817.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: JacobD88] 09:22:39 *** Ketsuban [~ketsuban@2a02:c7d:a34a:9000:24e0:b47a:f50b:f059] has joined #openttd 09:38:23 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po-217-129-255-23.netvisao.pt] has joined #openttd 09:38:26 <Samu> hi 09:53:36 <Samu> in your experience, what is an appropriate map size for 15 companies? 512x512? more? 09:53:51 <Samu> if all companies are active 09:54:07 <Samu> i should check reddit server often :( 09:59:11 <Samu> ok gonna try insane sizes first 10:00:40 *** greeter [fresh@0001c47f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:02:17 *** greeter [fresh@0001c47f.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 10:02:43 <Samu> ewm... maybe not 10:02:54 <Samu> 512x512 first 10:13:56 <V453000> 1024*512 is good if the companies get bigger 10:13:59 <V453000> 512x512 for noobs is enough 10:14:04 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:21:10 <Samu> 256x256 good for 1 company, 512x512 for 4, 1024x1024 for 16, hmm ok gonna try 1024 10:22:48 <Samu> map_x = 10 and map_y = 10 10:24:07 *** smoke_fumus [~smoke_fum@188.35.176.90] has joined #openttd 10:25:10 <V453000> 256x256 good for 1 company has to be quite a big company 10:25:29 <Samu> they will be AIs 10:27:43 <V453000> still 10:40:20 <Samu> i dont know if i should report the same issues to the author if others have reported the same issue already 10:40:33 <Samu> last report was in 2014 10:41:13 <Samu> FastPTPAI about train depots facing wrong direction 10:44:34 <Wolf01> success \o/ I found that the app does not load the resources 10:44:47 <Wolf01> now I must find WHY it does not load them 10:47:21 <Wolf01> the documentation is self-referential like "how to use string resources" -> "loading string resources" -> "how to use string resources" 10:55:59 <Samu> sometimes i wonder what's the point of some AIs 10:56:34 <Samu> CityConnecter builds roads, but that's just it... what's the point 10:56:41 <Samu> no road vehicles 10:57:02 <planetmaker> you described its point very well... 10:57:13 <planetmaker> ... as does its name, doesn't it? 10:57:45 <V453000> XD 10:57:46 <V453000> GG 10:57:51 <V453000> hi planetmaker :) 10:59:28 <Samu> uh? I'm removing it 11:00:04 <Samu> it's not competitive 11:01:29 <Samu> it only makes it harder for me to find a list of actively competitive AIs 11:09:51 <planetmaker> jo, V :) 11:18:35 <V453000> how iz ye? 11:29:02 <planetmaker> busy busy, I fear 11:29:06 <planetmaker> but fine :) 11:32:36 <V453000> same same :) 11:33:02 <V453000> factorio is eating my time and soul, but I love it 11:34:28 <Wolf01> factorio is eating my time and soul too, and I love it too... but our approach to the game is really different 11:34:37 <V453000> :D 11:34:58 <V453000> you wouldn't believe how I am loking forward to playing it, but that is a no-go until 0.13 is out :) 11:35:27 <V453000> in other news, I am kind of fully moved to Prague now, so that helps a ton with schedule 11:36:11 <Wolf01> btw, I found a software house at about 80km away from my house, in the middle of nowhere, but I don't think I'll ask to apply :| 11:36:56 <Eddi|zuHause> 80km is a bit much for a daily commute 11:36:59 <Wolf01> if only we had a better transport service, I'm not going to drive and get a job to pay the fuel 11:37:41 <Wolf01> also I'm not going to get a 1000⬠job to pay only a rent (which is 500-700â¬/month) 11:49:21 *** ektor [~ektor@LCaen-656-1-57-168.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 12:03:40 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-98-14-130-227.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 12:21:07 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 12:23:05 *** JezK [~jez@2407:7800:400:107f:3db5:daca:8457:e66a] has quit [Quit: :q!] 12:28:51 *** andythenorth [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has joined #openttd 12:30:48 <Wolf01> o/ 12:31:58 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:32:34 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 12:33:40 <andythenorth> o/ 12:45:15 <Rubidium> good evening mr andy 12:45:32 <andythenorth> depends on your timezone :) 12:47:47 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:53:46 *** MonkeyDronez [~Monkey@84.255.166.107] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:15:54 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@89.136.141.100] has joined #openttd 13:33:53 *** supermop [~supermop@static-71-249-209-97.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 13:34:26 <supermop> yo 13:35:16 <andythenorth> lo Supercheese 13:35:21 <andythenorth> or supermop also 13:35:28 <andythenorth> tab fail 13:37:38 <supermop> hows the trains and legos and such 13:40:00 <V453000> mainly holy cat search? 13:42:50 <supermop> ok time to resume beer hotel research 13:43:31 <Rubidium> you need a hotel for your beers? 13:44:03 <supermop> andythenorth: bad feature for FIRS: Breweries and grain elevators get gentrified into hotels 13:44:26 <andythenorth> BAD FEATURE 13:44:56 <supermop> Rubidium: working on a project to turn an old grain elevator at a brewery in Guangzhou into a boutique hotel 13:45:21 <supermop> kind of missed the market timing by 3 years but that's the developer's problem not mine 13:46:10 <supermop> andythenorth: in the 90s all of your industries close, and then in the 2000s they all turn into start-up incubators and condos 14:03:02 <Samu> who's a gui expert? 14:04:52 <Samu> i'd like a window somewhere to display a summary of all running companies, something like companies console command, but in a gui window 14:05:04 <Samu> show me number of vehicles 14:05:08 <Samu> profit 14:05:09 <Samu> etc 14:05:25 <Samu> I was thinking of expanding this information on the Company League Table 14:05:32 <Samu> put it in there perhaps 14:06:29 *** Clockworker_ [~Clockwork@189-10-214-27.paemt701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #openttd 14:06:29 *** Clockworker__ [~Clockwork@189-10-214-27.paemt701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:07:18 *** Quatroking [~Quatrokin@ip226-139-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 14:26:17 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 14:26:20 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 14:31:19 <supermop> hi Alberth 14:31:48 <Alberth> hi hi 14:46:59 <Wolf01> o/ 14:47:22 <Alberth> o/ 14:51:49 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po-217-129-255-23.netvisao.pt] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:02:22 <supermop> after all these years i still manage to crash two fully loaded trains of metal in such a way as to block all trains going to or from my steel mill in a town where i am not allowed to build another station 15:02:36 <andythenorth> patience grasshopper 15:02:43 <andythenorth> I crash trains quite often 15:02:57 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@dns25-175.cbu.edu] has joined #openttd 15:03:11 <Eddi|zuHause> use the undo knob 15:03:30 <supermop> also manages to block all passenger traffic in the town 15:06:26 <supermop> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=44177&p=1167547#p1167547 15:07:52 <Wolf01> crashing trains in factorio is quite fun instead 15:08:09 <Wolf01> and now I can survive even if a train hits me full speed 15:08:30 <Wolf01> *now*... on the died pc :( 15:15:07 <supermop> andythenorth: dirt platforms at the steel mill look a bit odd 15:15:21 <supermop> but the steel mill seems to have a dirt floor? 15:16:19 <Rubidium> with some extra track those trains should get moving again 15:16:45 <supermop> yeah thats ehat i did, but the extra track is ugly 15:17:02 <Rubidium> not as ugly as a crashed train 15:17:48 <supermop> crashed train adds a little interest to the train 15:18:19 <supermop> maybe the charred, burnt out flatbeds of steel are a little unrealistic though 15:18:32 <Rubidium> actually in the NLs a train once destroyed a number of switches while derailed, so for a (short) while they just put in some straight bits of rail as they couldn't get switches quickly enough to fix it in a reasonable time (the location where thousands of meters of railway tracks, sleepers and ballast are stored was a few km from the accident site) 15:19:51 <Rubidium> and a few months later they readded the switches 15:20:16 <supermop> the subway here often stores the x part of x junctions just laying between the rails a few meter from the X 15:20:43 <supermop> so they dont need to carry one in from queens or the Bronx to do a midday fix 15:21:26 <supermop> but i never see parts of the actual switches laying about 15:21:40 <supermop> i imagine they are too expensive and delicate? 15:21:43 <Rubidium> having to replace them so regularly that you place spare parts near them sounds like a case of bad maintenance 15:22:21 <supermop> Rubidium: the subway couldn't afford to do almost any maintenance from 1960s to around 2010 15:22:36 <Rubidium> what sounds more logical is that those ones laying around are old broken/worn ones 15:23:11 <supermop> also they will often schedule upgrade or replacement work in the few hours between morning or evening rush hour 15:23:38 <supermop> so they bring the parts near by some night a few weeks in advance so they can do the work quickly 15:23:55 <supermop> more major work they do at night or weekends 15:23:58 <Rubidium> in any case, in case of a derailment you likely also need to replace sleepers and catenary, so having spare parts around leads to easily stealable objects 15:24:36 <Rubidium> but here they do preparations as well by placing some parts nearby, but usually in the night before not in the weeks before 15:24:41 <supermop> never tried carrying a big from out of a subway station but i imagine it is very heavy! 15:24:53 *** ektor [~ektor@LCaen-656-1-57-168.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:24:54 <supermop> frog not from 15:25:31 <Rubidium> well, normal rail is, I'd guess, between 45 and 60 kg per meter 15:25:37 <supermop> the sleepers here are part of a concrete slab floor, 15:26:05 <supermop> so that usually gets replaced more rarely, as the section of track must be closed for a few days 15:27:15 <supermop> but last few months, when they have been replacing rails and the clamps that hold them to the sleepers, i've noticed they are adding a blue pad of some kind instead of just the plain steel plate 15:27:37 <supermop> i guess to minimize vibration 15:28:41 <supermop> my apartment is a couple hundred meters from the manhattan bridge, and the N and Q subway that runs under Canal street over the bridge 15:29:06 <supermop> at night when it is quiet I can still feel/hear N trains from my living room 15:29:29 <Rubidium> can't find weights 15:29:33 <supermop> i dont know if from the tunnel or the bridge 15:30:10 <supermop> standing under that bridge when a train goes over is a whole body experience 15:31:27 <Rubidium> my apartment is maybe 20 meters from a 5 track bit of railway, but it's not like I have any problems with it. Okay, I can hear the trains when it's quiet in my room, but mostly because of them going through some frogs 15:31:46 <Rubidium> I don't feel them, and in summer when the windows/doors are open they are more noticable 15:32:07 <supermop> i usually feel but dont hear 15:32:18 <Rubidium> guess I should propose replacing the 1:9 switches with 1:34.7 switches (movable frog point) 15:32:45 <supermop> i think because the vibration goes right through the granite rock underneath 15:33:17 <supermop> Rubidium: hopefully they dont ask you to chip in to pay for those 15:34:57 <Rubidium> one way or another I already would be ;) 15:38:28 <supermop> back when there was a 1.3B$ lottery here i was thinking that if i were to buy a ticket and win, i should just pay that money to the city to finally get the 2nd avenue subway built down to Canal street 15:39:41 <Rubidium> I would definitely not pay it to the city 15:40:21 <Rubidium> I would fund a company to get everything off the ground and running, and then sell it for 1 unit of currency to the city 15:40:39 <Rubidium> where I would obviously be the CEO/president 15:44:10 <supermop> i wonder if the city would still allow a private subway 15:44:53 *** ConductCat [~Conductor@pool-108-56-8-121.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 15:45:09 <supermop> other us cities have had them in the later 20th c, but they are no longer common here like they were before 1940 or still are in asia 15:47:06 <Eddi|zuHause> wasn't the "problem" that private companies frequently got in financial trouble and asked for being bailed out? 15:48:23 <Eddi|zuHause> also, you tend to win more in a lottery when the jackpot is low, because fewer people are playing 15:50:05 *** Progman [~progman@p57A18AB5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:51:12 *** ConductorCat [~Conductor@pool-108-56-8-121.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:52:43 <supermop> Eddi|zuHause: in new york's case I believe they bought the IRT and BMT primary because they wanted to merge them into their new publicly owned system, rather than have 3 separate networks 15:53:11 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: the point is to use the money for construction, so up to a budget of I'd say 400 million you can start building and depending on how much remains you can extend the line. Since we are not talking about a loan for construction and the actual operations would be for the local government (i.e. buying of trains, running and maintaining), the network would essentially get a free extension 15:53:32 <supermop> in other cities passenger rail operators were certainly bought by government because they were not profitable 15:54:15 <supermop> and the alternative was complete cessation of service 15:54:37 <Eddi|zuHause> well, in berlin they're currently breaking up the S-Bahn network into 3 more or less isolated groups, which they then can send out contracts for 3 potentially different operators (for X years) 15:54:45 <Rubidium> in the NLs the transport companies were actually privatized a while ago to reduce cost 15:55:21 <supermop> a european style privatization may happen eventually here 15:55:21 <Eddi|zuHause> so you have the ring network, the north-south network and the east-west network 15:55:27 <Rubidium> which is basically weird... failing transport companies become public, but in other cases they are made private again to reduce cost... so what's that? 15:55:50 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: the grass is always greener on the other side 15:56:12 <supermop> this was in the 40s-70s, before the european style franchise system was really established 15:56:29 <Rubidium> although... for busses this is easier since there is barely any infrastructure 15:56:58 <supermop> at that time most successful transit providers in Europe and Asia were nationally owned, so that was the model used her 15:57:06 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:57:32 <Rubidium> for trains the infrastructure is part of a separate company that is effectively owned by the government, which arranges track maintenance (using tenders) and traffic control 15:57:33 <Eddi|zuHause> each has some advantages and disadvantages 15:57:56 <supermop> the idea of a publicly subsidized private operator was neither precedented or politically attractive at the time 15:58:08 <Eddi|zuHause> the disadvantage of a huge public operation is that in such a monolithic environment it's difficult to assess what each individual part is worth 15:58:27 <Eddi|zuHause> like, judge which lines are profitable, or which lines could be improved 15:58:50 <supermop> and the US at that time was moving towards more big government run agencies, a trend reversed in the 80s and 90s 15:59:15 <Eddi|zuHause> which then leads to lawn-mower type cuts, which in turn reduce the efficiency and make it overall less profitable 15:59:25 <Eddi|zuHause> which is what happened in the 60s 16:00:13 <supermop> Eddi|zuHause: yes most services became worse in a downward spiral of service and profitability after the government took over 16:00:34 <supermop> as the passenger service was also no longer subsidized by freight revenue 16:00:50 <Eddi|zuHause> then there was a huge "private is the holy grail" movement in the 90s, which for all intents and purposes failed. and now we have this system where the infrastructure stays in one central place, but the operations is broken up into smaller chunks 16:01:35 <Rubidium> the fringe lines, in effectively the back country, have gone from the original state government train company to being tendered by local-ish (province) government that also included a load of bus lines. Now the bus lines and train connect better, result: busier trains resulting in increased number of trains resulting in even more passengers. So a great improvement in quality for lines that were previousl 16:01:42 <Rubidium> y not profitable 16:01:53 <Rubidium> so having the trains connected well to the other forms of transport really helps 16:02:02 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@dns25-175.cbu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:02:11 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 16:02:25 <Eddi|zuHause> because it's now a much smaller operation, and better to see the optimization potentials 16:02:38 <supermop> also i think more people in this country are coming to see that strict profitability of the lines is not the primary goal of a transit network 16:02:52 *** TheMask96 [martijn@gluttony.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 16:02:56 <supermop> a city doesnt have a subway just to make money from the fares 16:04:26 <supermop> a city sees other advantages, such as more development, more people living and working in areas more efficient to serve with other city services, etc 16:04:43 <Rubidium> that said, removing as much obstacles to transfer between types of transport is really useful as well 16:04:44 *** Clockworker_ [~Clockwork@189-10-214-27.paemt701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:05:21 *** Clockworker_ [~Clockwork@189-10-214-27.paemt701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #openttd 16:05:45 <supermop> so if you spend 10B on a subway, but now you make 12B more in taxes, or you save a few B on sewer, or healthcare costs 16:06:31 <supermop> the loss making public train can still be considered economically viable 16:07:55 <supermop> obviously easier to see these benifits in a compact city of 10M people than in a sprawling city of 200,000 16:08:22 <Rubidium> also, because a connection doesn't exist and therefor a small amount of people would use it, making the connection might create a need for the connection 16:09:23 <Rubidium> e.g. people going to other schools, others starting to take public transport to work, ... 16:09:46 <Rubidium> this all will reduce the load of some of the neighbouring routes and thus improve those as well 16:10:14 <Alberth> playing the nice network effects game :p 16:10:23 <supermop> if you have a small town that never had good transit before though, you may need 10 years or so to start to see change... 16:10:48 <supermop> as people change their habits, maybe build new house closer to transit routes, etc 16:13:23 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po-217-129-255-23.netvisao.pt] has joined #openttd 16:18:22 *** Taco [~kitty@2402:9e80:1::1:9a37] has joined #openttd 16:25:30 <Wolf01> here they build a transit route, then build houses around it, then sue the company of the transit route because eg. the train is noisy, then the company shuts down the service 16:32:17 <supermop> Wolf01: rubber tyred monorails and low speed maglevs everywhere 16:33:40 <Rubidium> or just proper construction 16:35:04 <Rubidium> i.e. welded tracks instead of jointed track, using "silent" wagons, etc. 16:35:18 <Wolf01> nobody wants to spend money here 16:35:21 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@dns25-175.cbu.edu] has joined #openttd 16:35:35 <supermop> nor here 16:35:49 <Rubidium> the advantage of using proper construction is that your track remains better and that your vehicles do not deteriorate as quickly 16:36:06 <supermop> luckily all the money for our subways was legally locked up 8+ years ago 16:36:18 <Rubidium> in India trains from the 2000s look worse than Dutch trains from the 80s 16:36:31 <supermop> new subways that is, still no money for ongoing repairs 16:36:43 <Wolf01> government already takes all the money (in the last 4 years we paid 26.9B⬠of taxes more than the previous 4 years... where are the money?) 16:44:06 <supermop> in EU, is a wall between two apartments a standard 100 or 150mm, or do the use a thicker 200 like with a concrete block? 16:47:40 <Sacro> Depends 16:47:49 *** frosch123 [~frosch@00013ce7.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:48:03 <Alberth> hoi 16:48:47 <ConductCat> :3 16:49:13 <frosch123> moin 16:54:20 *** ConductingCat [~Conductor@pool-108-56-8-121.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 16:54:27 <Wolf01> bye 16:54:29 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 16:54:37 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:54:40 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 16:58:01 <andythenorth> supermop: the steel mill ground tile needs work :) 16:58:43 *** andythenorth [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 16:58:57 <supermop> coffee shipment arrived from maui! 17:01:49 *** ConductCat [~Conductor@pool-108-56-8-121.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:03:40 <supermop> nooooo [rince 17:03:43 <supermop> prince 17:18:56 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~farci@i59F6D482.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 17:19:21 <supermop> im going to use 150 17:22:36 <_dp_> why is this page asking me a password for router?) http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=57886 17:26:45 <peter1138> Someone's dyndns url is setup wrong. 17:27:32 <Samu> i notice a trend quite common with several ais 17:27:52 <Samu> they don't compete with themselves that well 17:28:01 <Samu> they pick the same routes 17:28:22 <supermop> dont know how you'd prevent that really 17:28:24 <Samu> they very much repeat themselves 17:29:02 <Samu> some few ais deal with this decently 17:29:34 <Samu> terron, cluelessplus 17:29:46 <Samu> convoy too, i guess 17:32:52 <planetmaker> Samu, yes, competing with itself is a harder challenge: They all use the *exact* same mechanism to decide what is best. Given the (nearly) same situation, they thus do the (nearly) same thing 17:33:25 <planetmaker> Samu, the only way to combat this is to add some kind of fuzzing to randomly pick one decision when the results are close enough together 17:34:24 <planetmaker> Thus the programming effort to do well in a competition with itself is higher than doing well in a competition with something which uses other cirteria to cast decisions 17:34:31 <planetmaker> good evening everyone also :) 17:35:02 <_dp_> not the only, analyzing other players (or ais) actions would be better probably 17:35:17 <Alberth> evenink planet maker 17:35:53 <Samu> fastptpai actually does decently competing with itself, but it has some weird issues 17:36:02 <Samu> construction issues 17:36:08 <Samu> not related with competing with self 17:37:57 <Samu> AroAI is one of the worst when self-competing 17:38:40 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc87201-aztw31-2-0-cust156.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 17:40:24 <andythenorth> supermop: nice FIRS screenie 17:40:33 <andythenorth> finally, a post that isnât disappointed people :) 17:40:59 <supermop> ran out of room to expand steel station at edge of map 17:42:03 <andythenorth> that scrap line is shameful 17:42:07 <andythenorth> should be trucks :) 17:44:05 <Samu> choochoo is weird 17:44:17 <Samu> it fake-crashes but doesn't crash 17:44:37 <supermop> noo needs tiny trains 17:44:54 <Samu> in the console 17:45:16 <supermop> takes ensp back to the scrap yard 17:45:47 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r27548 trunk/src/lang/korean.txt (2016-04-21 19:45:38 +0200 ) 17:45:48 <DorpsGek> -Update from Eints: 17:45:49 <DorpsGek> korean: 1 change by telk5093 17:46:07 <supermop> ensp brought from a port to the SW and transfered at the mill, scrap train and ore trains each take a bit back 17:48:25 <Samu> choochoo is impressive in a big map 17:49:48 *** gelignite [~gelignite@x4db640fd.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #openttd 17:49:57 <andythenorth> supermop: oic :) 17:50:29 <supermop> i guess trucks could also haul both scrap and ensp? 17:50:34 <supermop> but less cute 17:52:29 <supermop> adding coal drop station on the SW edge of the mill now, that the town finally lets me 17:56:42 <Samu> have you considered more news messages? 17:57:17 <Samu> "new bridge type available! cantilever rail bridge, tubular, etc..." 17:57:41 <Samu> "new station type available! city airport, or helidepot" 17:58:00 <peter1138> god no 17:58:03 <Samu> :8 17:58:05 <Samu> ok 18:00:22 <supermop> just need to hook up the stockyard and the map will be done 18:05:56 <andythenorth> 'done' 18:05:57 <andythenorth> :) 18:05:59 <V453000> I would find that quite nice tbh, bridges should be announced 18:06:16 * andythenorth needs more diverse goals 18:06:22 <andythenorth> âDiverse Bee" 18:07:19 <frosch123> maybe you should not require to build new bridges... instead bridges could gain experience and level up 18:08:03 <andythenorth> can a GS unlock bridges? o_O 18:08:12 * andythenorth wonders about Tech Rewards Bee 18:08:19 <Samu> no, i'm not speaking about game scripts 18:08:29 <Samu> about those end game bridges 18:08:36 <Samu> they are not advertised 18:09:04 <frosch123> i think tunnels fit better into an endgame scenario 18:11:01 <V453000> fair point frosch123 :> 18:11:11 <V453000> and yes tunnels ^ all 18:11:16 <V453000> > :) 18:11:57 <Samu> choochoo pathfinder isn't too impressive actually 18:12:49 <andythenorth> tunnels with different speeds? o_O 18:13:47 * peter1138 ponders firing up openttd 18:14:03 <andythenorth> I wouldnât 18:14:22 <peter1138> ew, i don't have the proper graphics installed 18:14:25 <andythenorth> although I have 2 running right now 18:14:59 <andythenorth> peter1138: proper graphics are âavailableâ 18:15:15 <peter1138> yeah they're on a cd somewhere :) 18:16:53 <V453000> haha proper reaction 18:23:00 *** Arveen [~Arveen@ip-95-223-75-47.hsi16.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #openttd 18:24:58 <Samu> http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=191080 18:25:06 <Samu> poor train 18:25:19 <peter1138> 1.6.0's intro game is the best 18:25:42 <supermop> yes 18:25:44 <frosch123> i thought of yuo when adding it 18:25:47 <peter1138> especially with the proper graphics and sound 18:26:23 <supermop> actually the 1.5.0 game would cause my laptop to slow noticeably on loading 18:26:43 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:26:47 <peter1138> was it one of these newfangled "giant maps"? 18:30:04 *** Wolf01 [~Wolf01@host249-115-dynamic.116-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:30:51 <supermop> had a shitload of stuff on it 18:30:57 <Alberth> title game map? ot likely 18:31:01 <Alberth> *not 18:31:08 <Alberth> o/ Wolf01 18:31:19 <supermop> should i double head the gridiron on this 6 tile coal train? 18:31:20 <Wolf01> o/ 18:31:30 <supermop> doesn't really need it but looks better 18:33:32 <peter1138> k, i fired it up and looked around a server 18:33:38 <peter1138> don't think i bring myself to play though 18:33:41 <Wolf01> so, Prince too, this year must be really bad 18:33:44 <supermop> yeah 18:33:57 <supermop> Wolf01: my fiance and been talking about it all day 18:34:05 <supermop> peter1138: what server? 18:34:17 <peter1138> no idea 18:34:57 <supermop> hmm does the coolness of a supplies car on back of my train outweight the practicality of gondolas which can carry coal the other way? 18:35:15 <supermop> i'd be down to play on a server 18:35:42 <Eddi|zuHause> Wolf01: as you age, every year will be "worse" than the last wrt people that you know dying. because you know more and more people, and they are getting older and older 18:36:11 <Eddi|zuHause> also, you tend to forget how bad the past was 18:36:23 <Wolf01> this app is really strange, it notifies me that one wrote my nick when I'm looking at it, but not if it's on background 18:36:27 <Samu> I suppose i need to set choochoo pathfinder to slow 18:36:39 <Eddi|zuHause> haha :p 18:36:45 <Eddi|zuHause> that sounds very backwards :p 18:37:19 <peter1138> yeah but this year really is bad. bowie ffs... 18:39:09 <andythenorth> yeah 18:39:43 <andythenorth> itâs also what Eddi|zuHause said though 18:39:51 <Wolf01> eddi, I know, but meh, 57yo... I expect somebody like Keith Richards or at least somebody really old, but I'm starting to think that some of them are so tempered that will bring it on for decades 18:42:05 <Eddi|zuHause> well, also really old people die, like Christopher Lee 18:42:18 <Eddi|zuHause> nobody "expects" a death 18:42:50 <andythenorth> eh, lots of people expect a death 18:42:53 <andythenorth> just not today 18:43:52 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe their own death, but not random people's death that they barely know 18:46:14 <Wolf01> I didn't mean that I wish that, but the probability, knowing the life of those people... 18:47:21 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't want to generalize things, but people who have a high likelyhood of long time drug involvement have a higher probability of dying earlier than expected 18:48:30 <andythenorth> so you do want to generalise things :) 18:48:43 <andythenorth> hmm, this bread is very mouldy 18:51:41 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: people who say "i don't want to <X>" generally follow that statement up with something that exactly does <X> :p 18:51:52 <Wolf01> time to try this new game I got for free 18:52:01 <andythenorth> I donât want to generalise, but I think youâre right 18:52:24 <andythenorth> that was more specific-ise 18:53:23 <Eddi|zuHause> what i didn't want to imply was that people in showbusiness are all drug addicts :p 18:57:14 <andythenorth> is forums today? 18:57:19 * andythenorth looks 18:57:30 <V453000> most likely no shit happening? 18:57:32 <Eddi|zuHause> isn't forums every day? 18:57:56 <andythenorth> forums is mostly not today 18:58:14 <andythenorth> still a dearth of gamescripts 18:59:54 <frosch123> sometimes i "forget" to look on the forums 19:00:05 <frosch123> those days are usually garanteed to be nice :p 19:00:40 <Wolf01> it's a bit ottd-ish this game, too bad it's really resource heavy to be played well here 19:00:52 <Wolf01> maybe on the smartphone 19:04:19 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:05:14 <Eddi|zuHause> i piled up a giant list of unread posts in some forums 19:05:46 <frosch123> how many unread posts do you have in the "forum games" section? 19:06:21 <andythenorth> people read all posts? :o 19:06:33 <andythenorth> like itâs usenet or something? :O 19:06:41 <Wolf01> I was thinking the same thing 19:07:13 *** Clockworker__ [~Clockwork@189-10-214-27.paemt701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #openttd 19:07:21 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: i only read the openttd section anyway, but among those subforae i still amassed stuff 19:08:18 <frosch123> i think you can filter out > 50% from that section by blacklisting two nicks 19:08:36 <Eddi|zuHause> i tried that, but forum blacklisting is terrible 19:08:37 <supermop> now i get the pleasure of watching the little trains run around 19:09:04 <Eddi|zuHause> like, it still marks ignored user's posts as unread 19:09:24 <peter1138> well you haven't read them... 19:09:25 <Eddi|zuHause> and you can't do anything with people who reply to such posts 19:09:43 <Eddi|zuHause> i'd rather want to ignore certain threads 19:10:01 <Eddi|zuHause> like, there's not ever going to be an interesting post in the WAS thread 19:12:57 <frosch123> the development process of was is amazing though 19:13:23 <frosch123> somehow they can't be bothered to install nml locally or something 19:14:36 <frosch123> so they always compile-test via push+compilefarm 19:14:52 *** Clockworker_ [~Clockwork@189-10-214-27.paemt701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:15:05 <andythenorth> remote compilation :) 19:15:19 <andythenorth> I seriously considered that 19:16:25 <Wolf01> lol, on the smartphone is 10 times faster 19:18:59 *** Clockworker__ is now known as Clockworker 19:21:49 <Wolf01> it's really nice, for who has windows 10 look for virtual city 2 paradise resort, the full game is free for today 19:24:29 <andythenorth> is it as nice as Township? o_O 19:24:45 <Wolf01> I don't know township 19:25:11 <Wolf01> I just found this because I was notified of the offer :P 19:26:44 <Wolf01> ok, it seem almost the same game, but this is really focused on transport and a bit of city building 19:26:50 * andythenorth lost in a casual game site now 19:29:54 *** Gjax [~martin@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has joined #openttd 19:32:53 <supermop> i want to just go to an actual paradise 19:34:22 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@dns25-175.cbu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:38:20 <planetmaker> supermop, what is 'paradise' for you? 19:38:41 <supermop> Ha Noi 19:38:45 <planetmaker> I recon if you have N people describe paradise, you get probably N descriptions as to what's important :) 19:38:51 <supermop> or just Honolulu 19:38:57 <supermop> not Florida though 19:39:21 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has left #openttd [] 19:45:52 <andythenorth> can I call a ship set Honolulu? 19:45:57 <andythenorth> Iâd never be able to spell it :P 19:46:01 <andythenorth> that Mississipi 19:46:21 <andythenorth> also 19:49:19 <Wolf01> a paradise for me is a warm place with a pool, a sun umbrella and a deck-chair, a pile of books... I won't even touch the water 19:49:39 <Eddi|zuHause> water is fun 19:50:02 <Wolf01> I have breathing problems with water 19:50:45 <Wolf01> specially if cold 19:51:48 <andythenorth> itâs definitely harder to breather under water 19:51:55 <andythenorth> I donât agree with it 19:52:07 <andythenorth> on top of water is ok :P 19:52:22 <Wolf01> it shouldn't when the water just arrives at your waist 19:52:47 <Wolf01> but meh, I'm strange 19:53:03 <andythenorth> 7 goals seems to be optimum in Busy Bee 19:53:14 * andythenorth reverts a patch for 20 goals :P 19:53:20 <Wolf01> :) 19:54:03 <frosch123> Wolf01: no lego? 19:54:47 <Wolf01> no, I can't play with lego for more than 2 hours straight 19:55:13 <Wolf01> back pain kicks in, also the fingers will bleed 19:55:37 <frosch123> get a table and a chair? 19:55:54 <Wolf01> why, the carpet is the best place ;) 19:55:57 <frosch123> bleeding fingers? i never played lego like that :p 19:56:45 <Wolf01> then play with technic and try to separate a hundred of pins from the beams and such 19:58:07 <Wolf01> I use axles when possible but some times I would like to use teeth, but I don't want to ruin the pieces 20:03:15 <supermop> Wolf01: water isnt cold in honolulu 20:04:03 <supermop> need a new suit for honolulu 20:04:13 <supermop> want linen, but gets to wrinkly 20:04:20 *** Arveen [~Arveen@ip-95-223-75-47.hsi16.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 20:06:56 <andythenorth> Wolf01: I stuck my thumb in a diff + 20t yesterday with direct drive from an XL motor 20:07:14 <andythenorth> surprisingly painful 20:07:28 <andythenorth> not intentional :P 20:08:05 <Wolf01> yeah, that's why it is called XL, not just the size :P 20:08:35 <andythenorth> it did jam, but at full torque :P 20:13:02 *** Ketsuban [~ketsuban@2a02:c7d:a34a:9000:24e0:b47a:f50b:f059] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:13:24 *** NGC3982 [~milda@h215n4-vj-d3.ias.bredband.telia.com] has joined #openttd 20:13:48 <NGC3982> Do we have a problem with master.openttd.org? 20:14:39 *** Ketsuban [~ketsuban@2a02:c7d:a34a:9000:501f:a9f7:50c8:9e93] has joined #openttd 20:16:13 <frosch123> i have none 20:16:19 <NGC3982> Nope, we didn't. 20:16:26 <NGC3982> It was me, as usual. :-) 20:25:03 *** frosch123 [~frosch@00013ce7.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 20:38:03 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc87201-aztw31-2-0-cust156.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 20:49:13 *** Gjax [~martin@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:00:09 *** Clockworker_ [~Clockwork@189-10-214-27.paemt701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #openttd 21:00:27 <supermop> damn it just crashed 2 more metal trains 21:00:41 <supermop> except now they are 8 tiles long and double headed 21:01:52 *** gelignite [~gelignite@x4db640fd.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/1kso8Ta] 21:02:03 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 21:07:42 *** Clockworker [~Clockwork@189-10-214-27.paemt701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:45:03 *** Hiddenfunstuff [~Geth@y32.ip1.anvianet.fi] has quit [Quit: I love my HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 21:46:21 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:49:53 *** Progman [~progman@p57A18AB5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:56:09 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:56:43 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@89.136.141.100] has quit [] 21:57:24 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [] 21:57:37 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:58:31 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@108-221-157-231.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 22:09:19 *** supermop [~supermop@static-71-249-209-97.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:23:08 *** Ketsuban [~ketsuban@2a02:c7d:a34a:9000:501f:a9f7:50c8:9e93] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:27:51 <Samu> I'm bored 22:47:27 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~farci@i59F6D482.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:48:34 *** drac_boy [~oftc-webi@72.1.195.4] has joined #openttd 22:48:35 <drac_boy> hi 22:53:02 <Wolf01> 'night 22:53:13 *** Wolf01 [~Wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [] 23:06:49 *** Eearslya [~irssi@104.200.65.67] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:15:16 <Samu> arf... where is the multiplayer game lobby in the code? 23:15:56 <Samu> you know, that blue window right before joining which lets you create, spectate, start a new comp... 23:16:16 <Samu> join existant one 23:16:59 <glx> probably network_gui.cpp or something like that 23:18:13 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: There's a real world out here!] 23:19:20 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 23:19:23 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 23:20:29 <Samu> ah, found what i wanted 23:20:31 <Samu> ty 23:20:35 <Samu> /* Draw info about selected company when it is selected in the left window. */ 23:26:09 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:26:48 *** drac_boy [~oftc-webi@72.1.195.4] has left #openttd [] 23:28:20 <Samu> I see that this SetDParam is key to what I want to do 23:31:31 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@i210033.upc-i.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:32:36 *** Smedles [~quassel@58.160.136.199] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:38:30 *** Smedles [~quassel@58.160.136.199] has joined #openttd 23:43:20 *** [dpk] [~dpk@xn--ht-1ia18f.nonceword.org] has joined #openttd 23:45:56 *** dpk [~dpk@xn--ht-1ia18f.nonceword.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:46:10 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p5B0DAE69.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 23:46:10 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po-217-129-255-23.netvisao.pt] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:47:21 *** Rubidium [~Rubidium@000128fa.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:47:36 *** womble [~mjp16@minotaur.hezmatt.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:47:50 *** heffer_ [quassel@hyperion.fk.cx] has joined #openttd 23:48:36 *** Jyggalag [~madgod@srv01.shivering-isles.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:48:41 *** heffer [felix@hyperion.fk.cx] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:48:45 *** womble [~mjp16@minotaur.hezmatt.org] has joined #openttd 23:50:27 *** Sheogorath [~madgod@0001f8ef.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 23:51:50 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5B0DAE69.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]