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[Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:08:14 *** TheMask96 [martijn@pride.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 10:14:49 *** Matombo [~Matombo@nat-wlan2.rrze.uni-erlangen.de] has joined #openttd 10:24:04 *** Ketsuban [~ketsuban@2a02:c7d:a34a:9000:bc96:1efe:4183:4454] has joined #openttd 10:33:04 <Wolf01> http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aVP6bBd_460s.jpg heh 10:42:01 <peter1138> Yeah... what? 10:46:04 <Wolf01> mmmh usb-c cables cost more than hdmi ones 10:46:53 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po-217-129-255-23.netvisao.pt] has joined #openttd 11:03:37 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 11:06:08 <Wolf01> http://www.merkur.de/lokales/wolfratshausen/icking-ort28838/unfall-icking-18-jaehrige-verliert-kontrolle-ueber-sportwagen-6373049.html wow 11:14:41 <Samu> hi 11:15:28 *** TheMask96 [martijn@pride.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:17:00 <Samu> I generated a map with the same seed with the 3 different tree algorithm. 11:17:23 <Samu> tree_placer = 0.sav // 4,21 MB (4.419.608 bytes) 11:17:36 <Samu> tree_placer = 1.sav // 18,7 MB (19.677.544 bytes) 11:17:54 <Samu> tree_placer = 2.sav // 26,9 MB (28.269.848 bytes) 11:18:14 <Samu> 0 is none, 1 is original, 2 is improved 11:18:34 <Samu> the improved is generating larger saves 11:18:40 <Samu> is that intended? 11:20:15 <V453000> probably simply before it has more trees? 11:20:22 *** TheMask96 [martijn@envy.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 11:20:25 <V453000> because* 11:21:42 <Samu> yes, there seems to be more tree density with improved 11:21:49 <V453000> -> ? 11:24:01 <Samu> but the trees are placed in the same tiles 11:24:20 <Samu> interesting 11:25:42 <Samu> oh, i'm wrong 11:26:12 <Samu> there really is more tiles with trees with improved 11:27:35 *** greeter [fresh@0001c47f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:28:02 <peter1138> still obsessing about that? 11:28:05 *** greeter [~greeter@0001c47f.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 11:28:17 <peter1138> we could disable compression 11:28:25 <peter1138> then it wouldn't affect file size 11:28:53 <Samu> :p 11:29:34 <Samu> major noticeable difference is on snow 11:29:53 <Samu> improved plants much more tiles with trees 11:30:47 <Samu> it is incredibly dense on snow 11:30:51 <Samu> in comarison 11:30:58 <Samu> comparison* 11:31:19 <peter1138> an option that changes how trees are planted changes how trees are planted. surprise! 11:31:32 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@89.136.141.100] has joined #openttd 11:33:22 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc80661-stap13-2-0-cust817.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: JacobD88] 11:34:51 *** Matombo [~Matombo@nat-wlan2.rrze.uni-erlangen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:43:09 <argoneus> good morning train friends 11:53:16 *** Matombo [~Matombo@nat-wlan2.rrze.uni-erlangen.de] has joined #openttd 12:04:47 *** Matombo [~Matombo@nat-wlan2.rrze.uni-erlangen.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:24:39 <Samu> :) 12:30:31 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-98-14-130-227.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 12:32:11 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:32:26 <Samu> https://paste.openttdcoop.org/p8tqj8erj 12:32:44 <Samu> i improved my code a bit 12:32:47 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 12:32:57 <Samu> the question is... it's repeated 12:33:57 <Samu> lines 5-28 are repeated exactly equally in lines 46-69 12:34:21 <Samu> how do I avoid calculating the values for both widgets? 12:35:51 <Samu> i only wanted to calculate those values once 12:36:19 *** Matombo [~Matombo@p5DC14765.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:48:37 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@ppp118-209-183-194.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 12:52:06 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po-217-129-255-23.netvisao.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:52:53 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-98-14-130-227.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Snail] 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quit [Quit: leaving] 14:09:53 <supermop> need my macro lens 14:10:34 <sim-al2> How much track is it? I suppose the brass monorail can't be modified too easily 14:10:49 <supermop> this track is about 50 mm long 14:11:15 <supermop> the original track i had was 2 mm wide, this one is 2.5 14:12:10 <supermop> i wanted wider flanges top and bottom to insure train wouldn't fall off if turned upside down even if had worn down a bit 14:12:19 <sim-al2> ...how big is the monorail? That's pretty tiny 14:12:37 <supermop> as this 50mm track is for a bracelet 14:12:59 <supermop> 10mm for cars, 12mm for cab cars, 5mm for the bellows connecting cars 14:14:54 <supermop> new bellows, intermediate cars, and new track not made public yet want to work some things out 14:14:55 <supermop> https://www.shapeways.com/shops/metabolist 14:15:40 <supermop> also not planning to really sell on shapeways, as it isn't suited to finished pieces comprised of multiple components 14:16:00 *** Rejf [rejf@nintendos.pl] has joined #openttd 14:16:07 <supermop> or at least it doesn't have a way to have a product that is a set of multiple models 14:18:45 <supermop> also i've found that the small rings i am using to connect the track to the chain of a bracelet or necklace do not block the train from sliding off the end so need a buffer attachment 14:21:21 *** Hiddenfunstuff [~Geth@y32.ip1.anvianet.fi] has joined #openttd 14:21:58 <supermop> also.. i don't know who the market possibly is for this jewelry beyond my mom, with whom i have a 20 year running inside joke about monorails 14:22:51 <sim-al2> Ahhh, the dimensions make a lot more sense now. I thought you were making the world's smallest model train layout for a second 14:23:25 <supermop> sim-al2: well i thought bout that now because i wont make more than a couple as jewelry: 14:23:30 <sim-al2> Making Z-gauge look huge :p 14:24:14 <supermop> it would be very easy to make an assortment of modular track that snaps together 14:25:18 <supermop> but the price is too high with 3d printing to be a viable toy, and the monorails are too abstract to be a complement to some t or z layout 14:26:11 *** Quatroking [~Quatrokin@ip226-139-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 14:27:42 *** mikegrb [~mikegrb@mikegrb.netop.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 14:29:37 <supermop> if i reworked to z scale or n could put motors in etc, but i am really going for something whimsical here not a model 14:40:38 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 14:40:39 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 14:40:47 <supermop> yo Alberth 14:40:53 <Alberth> hi hi 14:42:28 <supermop> hows it going? 14:46:08 <Alberth> just home, all day hacking C code :) 14:46:35 <Alberth> gets a bit boring after a few weeks :p 14:49:21 <supermop> i wouldn't know 15:02:18 *** ConductorCat [~Conductor@pool-108-56-8-121.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 15:08:13 *** TheMask96 [martijn@envy.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:08:32 *** ConductCat [~Conductor@pool-108-56-8-121.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:12:49 *** TheMask96 [martijn@wrath.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 15:31:10 <Alberth> that's probably a good thing :) 15:32:57 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:34:02 *** ConductCat [~Conductor@pool-108-56-8-121.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 15:40:50 *** ConductorCat [~Conductor@pool-108-56-8-121.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:44:12 *** Compu [~Compu@cpe-67-241-224-121.stny.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FjWe31S_0g] 15:49:22 *** Compu [~Compu@cpe-67-241-224-121.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 16:26:02 *** frosch123 [~frosch@00013ce7.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:38:53 <frosch123> SpComb: where is spbot? :) 16:38:59 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc80661-stap13-2-0-cust817.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 16:49:18 *** Gja [~Martin@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has joined #openttd 16:50:11 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc80661-stap13-2-0-cust817.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: JacobD88] 16:57:28 *** NGC3982 [~milda@h215n4-vj-d3.ias.bredband.telia.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:57:45 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:00:39 *** NGC3982 [~milda@h215n4-vj-d3.ias.bredband.telia.com] has joined #openttd 17:01:17 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:01:18 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 17:01:18 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po-217-129-255-23.netvisao.pt] has joined #openttd 17:01:46 <Samu> new approach to simplify the GUI -> http://imgur.com/wveuTAV 17:01:54 <Samu> does it seem easier now? 17:02:02 <Samu> supermop_: a 17:02:34 <supermop> still dont get the ! 17:02:42 <supermop> why is a human company bad? 17:02:45 <Samu> i know, i dont have a substitute 17:03:01 <Samu> imagine that image is a human face or something similar 17:03:11 <Samu> and that the newspaper is your dice 17:03:25 <supermop> oh god i read that e as a k 17:03:48 <Samu> hum? 17:03:50 *** Matombo [~Matombo@p5DC14765.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:04:27 <supermop> anyway, i don't fully understand what info you want to convey so it is hard to precisely say what should be changed 17:04:42 <supermop> rg what does your patch attempt to accomplish and why 17:04:45 <Samu> i used smillies this time 17:05:00 <Samu> smillies to describe if the AIs are alive, dead or yet to start 17:05:16 <supermop> ok, what is the use case for this 17:05:55 <Samu> yellow smile is an AI yet to start, given the max no competitor value 17:06:05 <SpComb> 20:01 -!- Irssi: Reconnecting to irc.oftc.net [109.74.200.93] port 6697 - use /RMRECONNS to abort 17:06:05 <SpComb> 20:01 -!- Irssi: warning Could not verify SSL servers certificate: unable to get local issuer certificate 17:06:09 <supermop> i e who is this information most useful to, and how will they act on it 17:06:27 <supermop> brb lunch 17:06:45 <Samu> it's useful for whoever wants to configure AI or GS scripts 17:06:51 <supermop> i just don't use AIs enough to know wht the normal info usage is 17:07:34 <Samu> the numbers 1 to 15 are the company ID numbers where that script will start a company 17:08:17 <Samu> the trouble here is that AI's can only start on companies which are not occupied by a human 17:08:45 <Samu> and i think it's important to know where would the "yet to start" AIs would pop 17:09:10 *** SpBot [spbot@109.204.237.153] has joined #openttd 17:09:18 <Samu> a company can be started by either a Human player or an AI 17:09:42 *** You're now known as Guest389 17:10:19 *** You're now known as SpBot 17:10:56 <Samu> you configure a script to start on that company id number, but if a human starts first before the AI, the config of that company won't start. 17:11:23 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc87201-aztw31-2-0-cust156.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 17:11:30 <andythenorth> fuck me a YT review https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcBx1Gmpn34 17:11:46 <Samu> but a human company can also die, autoclean or such, then that slot becomes available again for the next AI that is yet to start 17:11:50 <Alberth> o/ 17:12:00 <Samu> hi Alberth 17:12:45 *** Matombo [~Matombo@nat-vpn1.rrze.uni-erlangen.de] has joined #openttd 17:12:45 <Alberth> ha, andy :) 17:13:03 <Alberth> too bad sound is dead at my machine currently 17:13:38 <andythenorth> thatâs a milestone 17:13:44 <Samu> nice andythenorth 17:13:52 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~farci@i59F6DABA.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 17:14:00 <Alberth> firs frontpage news :) 17:14:14 <andythenorth> I donât have patience for videos :P 17:14:18 <andythenorth> I need it on 2x speed 17:19:52 <frosch123> it raises the issue that someone needs to pronounce FIRS somehow :) 17:21:35 <Flygon_> I just assumed it was pronounced like how furries call themselves furs 17:21:37 *** Flygon_ is now known as Flygon 17:21:52 <Flygon> Of course, the difference being that FIRS has no creepy-ass fursuit factories 17:22:54 *** smoke_fumus [~smoke_fum@188.35.176.90] has joined #openttd 17:23:26 <andythenorth> itâs furs, definitely :) 17:26:29 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc80661-stap13-2-0-cust817.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 17:29:08 <Samu> think i'm ready to post a patch 17:29:11 <Samu> it's been a while 17:29:49 <Samu> hard to explain how everything interacts 17:30:00 <Samu> becomes easy if you can actually interact with it 17:30:10 <Samu> at least I hope so 17:32:11 <Samu> omg i can't believe what i've done t.t 17:32:25 <Samu> big mistake, lost everything I worked on 17:34:28 <andythenorth> samu :P 17:34:39 <Samu> oh no damn... damn what can I do now to revert? 17:34:46 <andythenorth> you have version control? 17:34:57 <Samu> i went to svn and reverted all changes 17:35:05 <Samu> is it possible to undo the revert? 17:35:08 <andythenorth> since your last commit? 17:35:23 <andythenorth> some version control leaves .orig files around when reverting 17:35:30 <andythenorth> depends on the vcs and the configuration 17:35:41 <Samu> it's tortoise SVN 17:35:45 <andythenorth> sorry no idea 17:36:00 <andythenorth> if you have the files around in your editor, sometimes you can also use undo or history in the editor 17:36:10 <V453000> nice, I like how he calls newgrfs mods XD 17:36:18 <Samu> nope, i was stupid enough to close it 17:36:29 <Samu> i re-opened after doing the revert on svn 17:36:31 <andythenorth> .orig files on the filesystem? 17:36:35 <Samu> RIP my work 17:39:09 <Samu> i'm sad, almost like crying 17:39:11 <SpComb> so, tell me how to insert some lines from a file into the beginning of this logfile, where another process is currently appending to that logfile 17:39:36 <Samu> what was on my head to make such mistake 17:40:08 <Samu> i was gonna create a patch, and for some reason I first reverted the trunk folder 17:40:34 <Samu> with no patch created, everything is gone :( 17:40:52 <SpComb> `hg revert` creates .orig files, dunno about svn 17:45:43 <Samu> ah, think i recovered it 17:45:51 <Samu> it sent the files to recycle bin 17:46:00 <Samu> went to recycle bin and restored them all 17:46:07 <Samu> let's hope this is enough 17:46:37 <Samu> yes! everything is here 17:46:51 <Samu> oh gosh, what a relief, ufff 17:47:16 <SpComb> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1521332/is-there-a-way-to-recover-from-an-accidental-svn-revert?rq=1 17:47:23 <SpComb> yeah, seems TortoiseSVN does that 17:49:17 <andythenorth> small, frequent atomic commits ;) 17:49:29 <Samu> thx for the help 17:49:30 <andythenorth> or an aggressive filesystem backup system 17:49:43 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc80661-stap13-2-0-cust817.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: JacobD88] 17:49:49 *** Progman [~progman@p57A18191.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:49:59 <Samu> i don't usually care what's in the recycle bin, but this time 17:50:10 <Samu> saved my work lol 18:07:52 <Alberth> the problem with guis, it'sdoesn't make very clear what buttons are deadly, and what buttons are safe 18:08:21 <Alberth> *it 18:12:40 *** gelignite [~gelignite@x4e304872.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #openttd 18:22:40 *** Mucht [~Martin@000128e2.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:25:49 *** Mucht [~Martin@000128e2.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:41:21 *** aard [~aard@108.134.189.109.customer.cdi.no] has joined #openttd 19:02:45 *** Clockworker_ [~Clockwork@200.102.163.132] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:03:01 *** frosch123 [~frosch@00013ce7.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 19:03:04 <supermop> andythenorth: paused video at 19 sec after hearing open T T D and F I R S spoken out 19:03:06 *** Clockworker_ [~Clockwork@200.102.163.132] has joined #openttd 19:04:45 <supermop> why use z base in a video to show off FIRS....? 19:06:45 <andythenorth> Iâm just happy to have a video :D 19:08:37 *** Clockworker_ [~Clockwork@200.102.163.132] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:08:49 *** Clockworker_ [~Clockwork@200.102.163.132] has joined #openttd 19:10:51 <supermop> the industries that reuse baseset sprites do not do well under this 19:12:51 <_dp_> what's wrong with open T T D? 19:13:39 <supermop> _dp_: i dont think in 10 years i've actually ever heard someone speak the name out loud - so sounds quite strange 19:16:21 <supermop> "get back in the depot train!" 19:18:53 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc87201-aztw31-2-0-cust156.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:34:33 *** Matombo [~Matombo@nat-vpn1.rrze.uni-erlangen.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:34:48 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc87201-aztw31-2-0-cust156.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 19:34:50 <andythenorth> supermop: no they do not :) 19:35:11 <supermop> the magnanese mine would make a nice coal mine 19:35:21 <supermop> unless you want an open pit 19:35:23 <Supercheese> that's a great video 19:35:35 <Supercheese> really makes me want to try the new economy 19:35:57 <supermop> Supercheese: in a hot country is great 19:36:31 * Supercheese begins to update grfs 19:37:10 <supermop> haven't spent enough time with the other economies yet but the new steel mill is pretty 19:37:39 <supermop> basically everything that isn't a base set industry looks great 19:38:36 <supermop> andythenorth: no outbuildings on cobble chips tiles 19:39:45 *** Matombo [~Matombo@p5DC14765.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:46:03 <NGC3982> I'm getting connection failed from my supybot when i'm trying to apconnect to my local game. The host is 127.0.0.1 (same machine), the admin port is forwarded and correctly set on both router, openttd and config file. 19:46:07 <NGC3982> Where else can i look? 19:46:43 <andythenorth> supermop: eh? you mean in chips? ;) 19:46:47 * andythenorth confused 19:46:49 <NGC3982> It has been a while since. 19:47:42 <supermop> i dont know that they need any 19:49:53 <andythenorth> they are mostly on paving slabs 19:50:01 <andythenorth> I just choose to overlook any incronguity :) 19:50:10 <andythenorth> CHIPS doesnât aim for complete coverage ;) 19:51:08 <supermop> but the other types have various tipples or warehouses or sheds, thought the cobble ones looked a bit lonely 19:52:04 <andythenorth> could take the stone warehouse from textile mill 19:52:17 <andythenorth> http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/push/LATEST/docs/html/industries.html#textile_mill 19:53:06 <andythenorth> or the shed from glass works, but thatâs quite used already in industries http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/push/LATEST/docs/html/industries.html#glass_works 19:55:53 <supermop> yeah 19:56:15 *** Hiddenfunstuff [~Geth@y32.ip1.anvianet.fi] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Go on, try it!] 19:56:26 <supermop> shed from trading post, or long kiln from brickworks minus chimney too 20:01:47 *** rahtgaz [~rahtgaz@00021442.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 20:06:28 <Samu> new version out http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=1168281#p1168281 20:07:52 <Samu> original topic description is outdated 20:08:00 <Samu> gosh... 20:08:43 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 20:39:16 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc87201-aztw31-2-0-cust156.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 20:41:23 <supermop> Eddi|zuHause: does you magic make trains tilt? does anyone else have similar magic? 20:41:50 <Eddi|zuHause> i have not implemented tilting trains 20:42:03 <supermop> tilting turbotrains would be a nice bit of polish for ogfx+ 20:42:05 <Eddi|zuHause> although it should be fairly straight forward to add 20:42:27 <Eddi|zuHause> i think some GRFs had tilting graphics 20:42:41 <supermop> also, i wonder if i can lobby andy to add tilt to iron horse for one train 20:42:51 <Eddi|zuHause> if in doubt, ask George :p 20:43:36 <Eddi|zuHause> tilting needs considerably less magic than i do 20:45:31 <supermop> heh 20:45:44 <supermop> monorails should tilt 20:46:10 <supermop> given the conceptual space they occupy in my roster 20:46:44 <Eddi|zuHause> also note the tilt flag for trains which gives a boost to curve speed 20:47:18 <supermop> not that monorails do tilt, but that ceonceivably a monorail could be built with steeply banked rails if needed 20:51:29 <supermop> polishing up ogfx+ trains could be fun 20:52:08 *** Gja [~Martin@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 20:53:20 <supermop> seems to be fairly well used, clearly defined concept, and well suited to piecemeal bits of work 20:54:01 <Eddi|zuHause> supermop: i think monorails already do get a speed boost in curves compared to conventional 20:54:08 *** aard [~aard@108.134.189.109.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:54:21 <supermop> ah well my work is done then! 21:05:27 *** Clockworker_ [~Clockwork@200.102.163.132] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:05:42 *** Clockworker_ [~Clockwork@200.102.163.132] has joined #openttd 21:06:36 *** Dakkus [dakkus@taimen.sr2.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:06:39 *** Dakkus [dakkus@taimen.sr2.fi] has joined #openttd 21:09:00 <supermop> doesn't seem to make sense to supply FIRS temperate clay pits with supplies 21:09:53 <Eddi|zuHause> why? sure they also need excavation equipment and fuel? 21:10:29 <supermop> one pit on it's own will generally produce enough clay to get a bulk terminal to gung-ho even if the terminal has nothing else supplied 21:11:04 <supermop> so unless i plan on building 4 terminals for each pit on the map 21:11:28 <supermop> that extra clay is just going to clog up my network 21:14:54 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:24:10 <SpComb> irclogs fixed 21:24:19 <SpComb> including the missing parts 21:24:39 <SpComb> just had to wait until midnight for the logfile to rollover and fix the 2016-05-10 one :P 21:24:57 <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb: thanks :) 21:25:28 <supermop> now to decide which industries the glass works and the metal workshop will supply, or, if i will just dump all mnsp at a central yard and let cargodist sort it out 21:26:18 <Eddi|zuHause> reports from a way too small set of people show that cargodist does a poor job at this 21:27:02 <Eddi|zuHause> you need a cargodist mode for one-source-to-many-destinations which supplies each destination equally 21:28:34 <Eddi|zuHause> which involves basically two things: 1) a finer creation of destinations other than one-per-cargo-package, and 2) a flat demand function independent of distance and stuff 21:29:08 *** Clockworker [Clockworke@177.203.94.196] has joined #openttd 21:29:57 <supermop> otherwise going to have milk in cans, but fish and meat in bottles 21:31:06 <supermop> Eddi|zuHause: typically i avoid the "distribution yard" method for that, and rely on the fact that industries will split their production across two stations if both are similarly served 21:31:34 <supermop> and one station then serves "near" destinations, and one serves "far" destination 21:31:36 <supermop> s 21:32:30 <supermop> as long and the spokes of those distribution networks have about equal frequency and capacity it seems to work ok 21:33:27 <supermop> and if the producer of supplies if making roughly 150%+ the total 'need' for supplies i rarely have one industry not get boosted 21:34:36 <supermop> but i'll often have industries that hover right around the border between double and quadruple production for years until the system gets flooded with large surplus of supplies 21:35:15 <supermop> i wonder though - i haven't tested this much, to what extend the default 16 day cycles in cargodist are really affecting me 21:35:41 *** Clockworker_ [~Clockwork@200.102.163.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:36:05 <supermop> small networks with trucks running every 10-20 days seem to do fine 21:36:43 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think i ever touched that setting 21:37:09 <supermop> but mines that see a train every 45 days seem like they would still easily get enough supplies every 90 days, 21:37:09 <Eddi|zuHause> it's rather meant for if you have performance trouble 21:37:42 <Eddi|zuHause> it doesn't make the distribution any better or worse, it might just be slower to react to changes 21:37:48 <supermop> but sometimes they dont, and i wonder if it is due to cd sending less cargo along those high bandwidth but high latency routes 21:37:55 <supermop> hmm 21:38:00 <supermop> must be all in my head then 21:38:57 *** gelignite [~gelignite@x4e304872.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/1kso8Ta] 21:40:30 <FLHerne> I've been using the "mix it up, let CDist sort it out" method with supplies for a while 21:40:53 <Samu> i hate slot 1 in main menu ... 21:41:01 <supermop> like, i worry that cd will forget a supply route that runs only 1-4 times per year 21:41:04 <Samu> that invisible human player always ruining something :o 21:41:09 <FLHerne> Definitely discourages the standard tactic of dumping everything on one industry of each type, because then the distance function causes trouble 21:41:53 <Eddi|zuHause> supermop: cargodist should not "forget" lines 21:42:22 <FLHerne> supermop: Isn't that too low anyway, unless you have higher-frequency feeders later? 21:43:38 <supermop> i want to serve remote areas by dumping a train or shipload at some transfer station or outpost every few months, and then have trucks or NG trains etc feed it over to the industry 21:45:46 <Samu> how do I get rid of that invisible human company in the main menu? I'd like to avoid writing code to deal with it :( 21:48:19 <Samu> just launch openttd, open console, type companies 21:48:32 <Samu> there it is, the annoying invisible human comp 21:54:24 <supermop> for manufacturing supplies though sometimes i will have a yard where trains deliver both materials and supplies, and then a composite train takes both cargoes to the industry, ensuring the supplies are always delivered at same time as material 21:54:55 <supermop> makes for nice looking trains with a mix of cars too 21:56:35 *** Progman [~progman@p57A18191.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:10:50 <Samu> hmm, there's some serious bug related to random ais 22:10:57 <Samu> can't get my head around this 22:11:54 <Samu> they don't have a configuration in a game 22:12:03 <Samu> they do in main menu 22:13:52 <Samu> in main menu, slot 1 is configured with random ai, parameters are set to have a start delay of 1 day. 22:14:54 <Samu> i start a game, i start in slot 1. I move to spectator and kill slot 1. 22:15:21 <Samu> now i'm waiting for the next ai to start, which should be in slot 1, and should also be 1 day 22:15:30 <Samu> well, it didn't start yet 22:15:44 <Samu> i'm still waiting 22:16:23 <Samu> it finally started, i don't know how long I had to wait, but definitely it wasn't 1 day 22:18:42 *** supermop [~supermop@static-71-249-209-97.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:23:46 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~farci@i59F6DABA.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:31:40 *** Wormnest [~Wormnest@s5596abd2.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:33:23 *** Montana [~oftc-webi@213.254.77.188.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #openttd 22:41:01 *** sim-al2 is now known as Guest419 22:41:02 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@108-221-157-231.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 22:42:20 *** smoke_fumus [~smoke_fum@188.35.176.90] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 22:42:22 *** rahtgaz [~rahtgaz@00021442.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: I'll be Bach] 22:42:27 *** FLHerne_ [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:44:32 *** Guest419 [~sim-al2@108-221-157-231.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:46:50 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:49:40 *** heffer [felix@hyperion.fk.cx] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:54:47 *** CompuDesktop [~Compu@cpe-67-241-224-121.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 22:54:47 *** Compu [~Compu@cpe-67-241-224-121.stny.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:57:18 *** heffer [felix@hyperion.fk.cx] has joined #openttd 22:59:26 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@89.136.141.100] has quit [] 23:27:18 *** Montana [~oftc-webi@213.254.77.188.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:40:12 <Wolf01> 'night 23:40:15 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 23:53:56 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-98-14-130-227.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd