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(www.adiirc.com)] 00:52:54 *** FLHerne [~flh@cpc4-papw5-2-0-cust175.5-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:18:30 *** Quatroking [~Quatrokin@ip226-139-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:44:03 *** rahtgaz [~rahtgaz@00021442.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 01:49:52 *** ConductorCat [~Conductor@pool-108-56-0-223.washdc.btas.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:19:13 *** rahtgaz [~rahtgaz@00021442.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: I'll be Bach] 02:35:32 *** Quinch [~oftc-webi@d205-206-100-76.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 02:35:36 <Quinch> Hi folks. 02:37:01 <Quinch> Got a quick question, are there any AIs that factor in infrastructure costs into their decisionmaking? 02:42:44 <Eddi|zuHause> probably not 02:43:03 <Eddi|zuHause> (but i have not followed AI development) 02:43:06 <Quinch> Nuts. 02:43:35 <Eddi|zuHause> in general, every gameplay feature that is meant to hinder the player will be totally devastating to AIs 02:54:04 *** pereba [~adiirc@2804:7f2:80:5903:41ec:8d58:df8e:fc45] has joined #openttd 03:00:01 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 03:23:20 *** ConductorCat [~Conductor@pool-108-56-0-223.washdc.btas.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 03:26:04 *** gelignite [~gelignite@x4e31102a.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:06:10 *** ToneKnee_ [~quassel@host86-135-238-51.range86-135.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 04:08:13 *** ToneKnee [~quassel@host86-148-51-160.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:38:36 *** Quinch [~oftc-webi@d205-206-100-76.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:53:27 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@89.136.141.100] has joined #openttd 06:00:48 *** Biolunar [Biolunar@x4d08f6e0.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #openttd 06:11:45 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 06:11:48 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 06:18:55 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-98-14-130-227.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Snail] 06:26:09 *** Arveen [~Arveen@ip-95-223-75-47.hsi16.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #openttd 06:35:12 *** Xal [~xal@S0106f0f2490b0073.vw.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 07:30:53 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc87201-aztw31-2-0-cust156.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 07:31:27 <andythenorth> acceptable? http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/7841/dump-trucks.png 07:31:34 *** Progman [~progman@p57A18FBB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 07:45:21 *** _johannes [~johannes@port-92-203-185-102.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 07:45:27 <_johannes> hello 07:45:48 <_johannes> do we have any experts for the OpenTTD Makefiles here? 07:48:50 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 07:48:53 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 07:54:22 <andythenorth> Alberth: o/ 07:55:32 <Alberth> moin andy 07:56:14 <_johannes> where can I see who usually commits Makefiles? 08:00:46 *** FLHerne [~flh@cpc4-papw5-2-0-cust175.5-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 08:02:17 * andythenorth debugging graphics pipelines :P 08:04:01 <Alberth> _johannes: the commit log of said make files? :) 08:13:20 *** Hiddenfunstuff [~Geth@y32.ip1.anvianet.fi] has joined #openttd 08:23:29 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 08:24:13 *** sim-al2 is now known as Guest4171 08:24:14 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@108-221-157-231.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 08:24:29 <andythenorth> ha ha ha 08:24:41 <andythenorth> âdebuggingâ = discovering the code already does what is needed 08:24:42 <andythenorth> :P 08:24:49 <andythenorth> just had to find the magic parameter 08:27:14 <Alberth> ha, code outsmarts author, that's a good sign :) 08:27:25 <andythenorth> :| 08:28:19 <Alberth> it means the code is getting mature, and handling things you didn't expect 08:29:14 *** Guest4171 [~sim-al2@108-221-157-231.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:32:11 <Alberth> no freight in BRtrains, it seems 08:37:01 <andythenorth> early days 08:37:24 <andythenorth> o_O http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/7841/dump-trucks.png 08:47:32 <andythenorth> hmm 08:47:45 <andythenorth> for some reason the tech ladder in my grfs is 10 years ahead of reality 08:48:04 <andythenorth> I thought it was just a few vehicles with stats dibbled up, but itâs nearly everything :) 08:50:18 *** NoShlomo [~NoShlomo@90.74.151.136] has joined #openttd 08:51:31 <Alberth> real tycoons want the big stuff as early as possible, money is no object :p 08:54:15 <Alkel_U3> I like it that way. It's just natural that a universe where _I_ direct all the transporting is technologicaly, socialy and economicaly advanced :P 08:54:54 *** frosch123 [~frosch@00013ce7.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 09:00:20 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po1-84-91-250-188.netvisao.pt] has joined #openttd 09:00:23 <Samu> hi 09:07:52 <_johannes> Alberth: I know, but IIRC git is just synced? I.e. these are the "syn authors"? 09:08:25 <_johannes> it's probably SVN that I need to check? 09:10:14 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@108-221-157-231.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:11:03 *** Quatroking [~Quatrokin@ip226-139-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 09:16:24 *** FLHerne [~flh@cpc4-papw5-2-0-cust175.5-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: There's a real world out here!] 09:16:44 *** FLHerne [~flh@cpc4-papw5-2-0-cust175.5-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 09:18:10 <Rubidium> _johannes: why would you need to know the expert? And why is the person doing the most commits the expert? 09:18:32 <_johannes> Rubidium: ok, you're right :) 09:18:49 <Rubidium> and what do you actually want to know? 09:19:18 <_johannes> anyways, I have developped a new video driver for the OpenTTD code which needs to be compiled with C++11 support 09:19:38 <_johannes> now I'd like to let the Makefile compile this part exactly if the user's compiler has the -std=c++11 flag 09:20:40 <_johannes> so something like "if compiler_has_c++11_flags { compile video_driver/my_video_driver with std=c++11 } else { don't compile it }" 09:21:29 <Rubidium> can't you detect that from some compile time define? 09:21:49 <_johannes> Rubidium: good idea... 09:22:22 <Rubidium> I guess #if __cplusplus >= 201103L around the files of your driver would suffice 09:23:31 <_johannes> Rubidium: however, if the user then just runs the whole Makefile with as usual, and the compiler has std=c++03 by default, the compile will compile my driver with c++03 and print errors 09:25:10 <Rubidium> if that happens, then the standards version is not passed properly into the define and the compiler is flawed 09:28:28 <_johannes> Rubidium: ah, I see, you're right 09:28:34 <_johannes> good point, many thanks! 09:42:44 <Samu> setting gui.autosave, range goes from 0 to 4 09:42:51 <Samu> which one is monthly? 09:43:32 *** Wormnest [~Wormnest@s5596abd2.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 09:44:06 <Samu> nevermind, got it, it's 1 09:44:35 <Samu> shouldn't it be reversed? 09:44:49 <Samu> 0 = less saves, 4 = more saves 09:45:46 <Samu> 0 = no saves, 1 = monthly, 2 = every 3 months, 3 = every 6 months, 4 = every year 09:46:28 <Samu> hi Wormnest 09:46:50 <Samu> how's your nocab 09:47:38 <Samu> what will it be named when u upload to banana server? 09:47:54 <Samu> WormCAB :) 09:48:14 <Wormnest> Well actually my dev version is called WormCAB lol 09:48:23 <Samu> oh, :) 09:48:35 <Samu> wormcan 09:48:57 <Wormnest> First of all I havenÂŽt decided yet if I should put it on bananas 09:49:32 <Wormnest> If I do I lean to naming it something like šNoCAB Fixedš or something 09:49:50 <Wormnest> To make it clear that the intention is to fix bugs in the original not to enhance it 09:50:25 <Wormnest> But IÂŽm open to other suggestions :) 09:51:19 <Samu> uhm, you can't upload on behalf of nocab author? 09:51:35 <Samu> i mean, he uploads it? 09:53:04 <Samu> you give him the fixed version, he updates the current banana version, to avoid a new, similar nocab, i guess 09:53:13 <Samu> but i don't know how that works 09:53:19 *** Mavy [Mavy@2a00:1ca8:e:2::97e8:f6ec] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:54:33 <Samu> there's always copyrights and licenses and stuff like that which only makes things harder to do 09:54:51 <andythenorth> also cat 09:55:01 <Wormnest> Well IÂŽve posted in the NoCAB development version thread and he hasnÂŽt posted a reply so IÂŽm not sure if heÂŽs interested 09:55:32 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 09:55:32 <Wormnest> License shouldnÂŽt be a problem since itÂŽs GPL2 so me posting my own version is allowed 09:55:38 <Wolf01> o/ 09:55:57 *** Mavy [quassel@2a00:1ca8:e:2::97e8:f6ec] has joined #openttd 09:57:29 <Samu> i expect today that NoCAB will be reaching 2051 09:58:15 <Samu> i couldn't save or let anyone join for the entirety of his run, but it looks like NoCAB is stable when it doesn't have to save 09:58:22 <Samu> 100 years stable 09:58:30 <Samu> that's the 2.1.3 version though 09:58:36 *** Mavy [quassel@2a00:1ca8:e:2::97e8:f6ec] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:58:46 <Samu> stable for road vehicles at least 09:59:43 <Samu> I will attempt to do the final save on 1st jan 2051. I know it will crash him, but at least we can take a look at his stuff 09:59:54 *** gelignite [~gelignite@x5ce48674.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #openttd 10:01:07 <Samu> should be really nasty, he spams roads 10:01:24 *** Mavy [quassel@2a00:1ca8:e:2::97e8:f6ec] has joined #openttd 10:01:39 <Alberth> moin, W 10:03:56 <Wormnest> I found another crash yesterday where it didnÂŽt refit when replacing a vehicle but thatÂŽs not likely to happen for rvs 10:05:14 *** Mavy [quassel@2a00:1ca8:e:2::97e8:f6ec] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:05:31 *** Mavy [Mavy@2a00:1ca8:e:2::97e8:f6ec] has joined #openttd 10:05:52 *** Arveen [~Arveen@ip-95-223-75-47.hsi16.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:07:47 <Samu> cluelessplus server just reached 2051, nice :) 10:11:05 <Samu> takes 2nd place in company value 10:13:07 <Samu> dictatorai server is next 10:13:52 <Samu> dictatorai won't impress 10:14:02 <Samu> i was honestly expecting better 10:14:21 <Samu> maybe the parameters I used weren't the best 10:16:48 <Samu> i think the removal of roads might be working against him 10:17:00 <Samu> he's very clean 10:17:18 <Samu> maybe too clean 10:17:26 <Samu> that I think it's disadvantageous 10:19:52 <Wormnest> Maybe heÂŽs being careful in case infrastructure maintenance is turned on 10:21:06 <Samu> it's interesting to see dictatorai doing it, though 10:21:58 <Samu> it clearly shows that 5000 rvs is, from an AI + map size perspective, a very limited cap 10:22:04 *** _johanne1 [~johannes@port-92-203-156-228.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 10:22:09 <Samu> he got about 1100 rvs 10:22:48 <Samu> but when i look at the map and multiply the number of roads by 5, i see that 1024x1024 is HUGE for 5000 10:23:49 <Samu> in other words 10:23:56 <Samu> 5000 road vehicles is very limiting 10:24:03 <Samu> i wish this cap could be raised 10:27:07 <Samu> about 12,800 road pieces to accomodate 1100 vehicles 10:27:17 <Samu> that's about 60k road pieces 10:27:27 <Samu> 63k 10:27:52 <Samu> let me look at some other AI with ~63k pieces 10:28:01 <Alberth> if you need 5K RVs, you're doing something wrong, imho 10:28:20 <Alberth> you better start using trains then 10:29:00 <Alberth> probably in some feeder system 10:29:04 *** _johannes [~johannes@port-92-203-185-102.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:30:19 <Wormnest> And letting one AI play alone isnÂŽt your average scenario. Give it 9 competitors and you have 50000 vehicles 10:31:44 <Samu> oh, you're probably right 10:32:39 <Samu> i found mogul with 62k road pieces, there's clearly a lot of empty places in the map 10:32:48 <Samu> but i see your point 10:47:10 <andythenorth> very dubious 10:47:41 <andythenorth> these sprites 10:49:34 <Samu> CPU is finally starting to kick off 10:50:12 *** DDR [~David@S0106602ad0773a2e.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:50:13 <Samu> he either sleeps too much, or pathfinds too much, seems to be pathfinding for 4 years 10:51:15 <Samu> dbg: [script] [0] [I] Pathfinding... 10:51:17 <Samu> okay 10:51:23 *** _johanne1 [~johannes@port-92-203-156-228.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:51:28 <Samu> he pathfinds for too long 10:55:32 *** roidal [~roland@62-46-139-181.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 11:07:14 *** pereba [~adiirc@2804:7f2:80:5903:41ec:8d58:df8e:fc45] has quit [Quit: When I come back I want to see you using the AdiIRC! [www.adiirc.com]] 11:09:10 <Samu> dictatorai finished 11:09:39 <Samu> next is likely to be NoCAB, but only later at night 11:09:58 <Samu> and once again, Otvi won't finish 11:10:02 <Samu> this day 11:11:13 <Samu> dictatorai takes last place, of those that have finished without crashing 11:11:33 <Samu> 7th in company value 11:13:23 <Samu> 1st in tidyness 11:14:21 <Samu> think i'm gonna evaluate road pieces 11:14:34 <Samu> the least, the better 11:14:40 <Samu> considering profits of course 11:14:44 *** gelignite [~gelignite@x5ce48674.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/1kso8Ta] 11:15:04 <Samu> efficiency, that is 11:25:15 *** shirish_ [~quassel@59.96.120.47] has joined #openttd 11:28:10 <Wormnest> You should turn infrastructure maintenance on then 11:29:43 *** rahtgaz [~rahtgaz@00021442.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 11:32:07 <Alberth> that'd be total slaughter :p 11:32:37 <Wormnest> Yep and fun to watch 11:32:49 *** shirish [~quassel@0001358e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:33:31 <Wormnest> Although that 15 WormAI savegame that Samu posted a while back when I turned maintenance on they kept making a profit 11:33:50 <Wormnest> But at that time the routes they had were already making huge profits 11:40:30 <Alberth> just being lucky :p 11:40:57 <Alberth> I doubt any of the AIs understands to stop expanding if infra structure goes up :p 11:41:26 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-98-14-130-227.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 11:45:13 *** rahtgaz [~rahtgaz@00021442.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: I'll be Bach] 11:46:39 <Wormnest> I think there may be a few that try to be a little aware of it but whatÂŽs the fun in not expanding :p 11:47:17 <Wormnest> And I know for sure that turning infra on at the start of a game is a sure way for WormAI to fail soon 11:53:45 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc87201-aztw31-2-0-cust156.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 12:04:37 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:06:32 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 12:16:56 *** chomwitt [~chomwitt@athedsl-118389.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:17:03 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-98-14-130-227.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Snail] 12:19:09 <Alberth> you could tune to do more blind&fast expansion first, and optimize later 12:21:29 <Alberth> but progressively improve on optimizing is very complicated 12:21:53 <Alberth> even we can't do that beyond some limit 12:27:01 *** chomwitt [~chomwitt@athedsl-31807.home.otenet.gr] has joined #openttd 12:34:12 *** gelignite [~gelignite@x5ce48674.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #openttd 12:41:50 *** rahtgaz [~rahtgaz@00021442.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 12:50:05 <Samu> nocab is at year 2041 12:50:10 <Samu> i better start paying attention 12:50:16 <Samu> can't miss that save 12:50:23 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc87201-aztw31-2-0-cust156.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 12:50:27 <andythenorth> herp 12:51:23 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:52:26 <andythenorth> the â views of trucks all have subtle length bugs 12:52:34 <andythenorth> because it makes them look better 12:52:43 <andythenorth> this makes it harder to automate cargo sprites :P 12:54:42 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 12:59:19 <andythenorth> hmm 12:59:39 <andythenorth> procedural bulk cargo pixels? o_O 13:03:22 <monsted_> andythenorth: that sounds like factorio where train cars are different lengths depending on orientation :) 13:03:58 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@108-221-157-231.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 13:09:13 <Samu> oops, i didn't keep track of TeshiNet parameters that I used, @logs 13:09:19 <Samu> @logs 13:09:19 <DorpsGek> Samu: http://irclogs.qmsk.net/channels/openttd 13:09:50 <Samu> why u no work? http://irclogs.qmsk.net/channels/openttd/search?count=100&q=teshinet 13:12:20 <Samu> bah, i can't remember the parameters that I used 13:14:02 <Samu> nevermind, just found them https://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=192181 13:14:07 <Samu> kek 13:14:17 <Samu> not what i wanted to paste 13:14:33 <Samu> TeshiNet = start_date=1,use_planes=0 13:14:37 <andythenorth> ha ha 13:14:56 <andythenorth> frosch123 newgrf effects remain an awesome feature ;) 13:18:40 <frosch123> still no rainbow smoke though :p 13:19:01 <andythenorth> v2 13:32:49 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:39:25 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@89.136.141.100] has quit [] 13:41:11 <Alberth> only for unicorns :) 13:44:09 <Samu> setting gui.autosave 1 13:44:52 <Samu> already on clipboard for pasting into nocab server 13:47:34 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 13:57:36 <supermop__> good morning 13:57:59 <supermop__> Antheus: procedural everything 13:58:10 <supermop__> ooops: andythenorth 13:59:42 <Alkel_U3> dwarf fortress style 14:00:36 <Antheus> .-. 14:07:44 <frosch123> it's funny how the rocket reveals that factorio is a 2d game :p 14:08:14 <Samu> perception is reality 14:09:24 <Wolf01> perception is a lie 14:10:38 <andythenorth> trucks, or not-road-types? 14:11:13 *** Arveen [~Arveen@ip-95-223-75-47.hsi16.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #openttd 14:11:39 <frosch123> what capacities do you have in 1970? 14:11:57 <andythenorth> 40t for trucks 14:12:04 <andythenorth> ~90t for trams 14:12:09 <andythenorth> seems right 14:12:22 <frosch123> hmm, somehow i was not aware that hog has trams 14:12:26 <supermop__> what about for wheelbarrows? 14:12:32 <Samu> oh wow, I thought Factorio was free to play 14:12:53 <andythenorth> nah, they actually employ people and such 14:14:25 <supermop__> put the beer on V453000 's table 14:15:12 * Wolf01 too 14:15:38 <supermop__> not wine for Wolf01 ? 14:16:05 <Samu> hm 14:16:17 <Wolf01> I can't drink :) 14:16:31 <Samu> i didn't get how to play it 14:16:39 <Samu> i don't think i like it 14:17:19 <Samu> i started as a single guy 14:17:29 <Samu> had to chop down a tree 14:17:31 <supermop__> Alkel_U3: server off? 14:17:38 <Samu> and i stopped there... this is not my kind of game 14:18:20 <Wolf01> didn't you researched automation? 14:18:44 <Samu> feels like playing those stupid custom games on starcraft 2 14:18:57 <Samu> the "builder" unit 14:19:06 <Samu> trying to maintain whatever 14:19:26 <Wolf01> pffff, don't dare to compare arcade games with Factorio 14:20:20 * andythenorth goes back to trucks 14:21:52 <Alkel_U3> supermop__: that's weird, it seems to still be running in the screen and it was online when I checked on it half an hour ago 14:21:57 <andythenorth> I donât think not-road-types is that big, probably smaller than this newgrf :P 14:22:10 <andythenorth> in complexity + yak-shaving 14:22:40 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-98-14-130-227.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 14:23:00 <Alkel_U3> supermop__: also I'm compiling the jgrpp on the server now. Checked it on local pc and seems to work well with the infra sharing and other features at similar settings 14:24:56 <Alkel_U3> supermop__: it was paused somehow - prodded the console and it resumed 14:25:24 <V453000> I never had high hopes for Samu :) 14:26:19 <supermop__> Alkel_U3: patched server running now>? 14:28:16 <Samu> uh? :( 14:28:31 <Samu> i also tried minecraft once, it gave me exact same feeling 14:29:08 <Alkel_U3> supermop__: only the vanilla 14:29:21 <Alkel_U3> I still have to alter the server's config 14:29:39 <Samu> uninstalled it instantly 14:30:32 <V453000> minecraft is dumb 14:33:01 <Wolf01> minecraft is only enjoyable in multiplayer, it gets really boring after the first hour of play 14:33:45 *** FLHerne [~flh@cpc4-papw5-2-0-cust175.5-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: There's a real world out here!] 14:34:05 *** FLHerne [~flh@cpc4-papw5-2-0-cust175.5-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 14:34:09 <V453000> I don't see the point even in multiplayer, but doesn't matter 14:34:24 <V453000> what I am interested to know is why didn't Samu expect this kind of game, didn't you watch the trailer 14:34:34 <V453000> because the trailer quite clearly shows what game it is 14:35:15 <_dp_> I got bored in factorio way faster than in minecraft 14:35:20 <Wolf01> I watched the trailer, downloaded the demo, purchased the game, downloaded the full game 14:35:38 <Alkel_U3> I did the same 14:35:38 <Samu> my first impression was... this looks like simfarm 14:39:00 *** rahtgaz [~rahtgaz@00021442.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: I'll be Bach] 14:44:24 *** FLHerne [~flh@cpc4-papw5-2-0-cust175.5-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: There's a real world out here!] 14:44:45 *** FLHerne [~flh@cpc4-papw5-2-0-cust175.5-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 14:48:09 *** NoShlomo [~NoShlomo@90.74.151.136] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:49:06 *** FLHerne [~flh@cpc4-papw5-2-0-cust175.5-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [] 14:49:25 *** FLHerne [~flh@cpc4-papw5-2-0-cust175.5-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 14:52:56 <Alkel_U3> oh my god, I forgot to apply the patches before compiling -_- 14:53:36 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:54:02 <V453000> 10 hours lost? :P 14:54:26 *** NoShlomo [~NoShlomo@90.74.151.136] has joined #openttd 14:55:16 <Alkel_U3> 5 minutes and some trust in my ability to focus :-) 14:56:16 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 14:59:07 *** Gja [~Martin@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has joined #openttd 15:02:56 <Samu> st2, do u have more ppl joining newgrf servers or the others? 15:03:33 <ST2> more people join the newgrf free servers 15:03:42 <Samu> oh snap :( 15:04:05 <Alkel_U3> supermop__: it is done :-) 15:04:41 <Samu> all 1.6.1 servers have newgrf stuff, ecxcept mine :( 15:05:09 <V453000> no newgrf servers always have the most people, also the most retards 15:07:41 <Samu> i'm always afraid of setting up NewGRFs 15:08:02 <Samu> afraid the already short amount of ppl who join would join even less 15:08:03 <V453000> XD 15:08:18 <V453000> then your server is boring 15:09:07 <Samu> for some reason, i just had 5 players on the otvi server, that server is horribly suttering... 15:09:18 <Samu> but ... meh... whatever, my fault 15:09:35 <Samu> cpu server is running smooth 15:10:23 *** Wormnest [~Wormnest@s5596abd2.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:11:06 <Samu> 2 more years and nocab server finishes :) 15:11:22 <Samu> why am i getting excited 15:12:03 <Wolf01> nobody knows 15:12:09 <ST2> yeah, no one gets excited for bots playing - when I play, yes, I get excited xD 15:13:57 <Wolf01> it's like watching F1 these years, I don't even get excited when Ferrari wins... maybe because I cheer Hamilton 15:16:59 <Samu> i think i am excited to see what a mess of road network he created 15:18:41 <Samu> well, whatever the result 15:18:44 *** Taede [~T@neuron.nurionis.co.uk] has quit [Quit: He who can look into the future, has a brighter future to look into] 15:18:50 <Samu> he's already first place in company value 15:19:05 <Samu> he has beaten MogulAI 15:19:09 <Wolf01> then if you see what the original TT was able to do, what would you do? 15:19:42 <Samu> original tt was curly with roads lol, 15:19:55 <Samu> i think nocab is worse 15:20:14 *** FLHerne [~flh@cpc4-papw5-2-0-cust175.5-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:20:50 <Samu> instead of doing curly routes, he does paralel roads and crazy amount of bridges/tunnels 15:21:20 *** FLHerne [~flh@cpc4-papw5-2-0-cust175.5-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 15:24:07 <Samu> the sheer amount is what makes it worse, i don't think i'll be seeing a spot to place an airport 15:24:42 <Samu> almost there, 2049 15:25:01 <Wolf01> I should write an AI myself 15:26:32 <Wolf01> I would call it "GiveUpAI" because I'm not even sure to be able to finish it 15:30:45 <Samu> :) 15:46:33 <Samu> 14-4-2050 15:46:49 <Samu> setting gui.autosave 1 15:46:51 <Samu> I am ready 15:53:43 *** FLHerne [~flh@cpc4-papw5-2-0-cust175.5-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: There's a real world out here!] 15:53:49 *** FLHerne [~flh@cpc4-papw5-2-0-cust175.5-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 15:54:01 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@89.136.141.100] has joined #openttd 15:55:50 *** Taede [~T@neurotic.nurionis.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:57:48 <Samu> last month 15:57:56 <Samu> waiting it up 16:00:24 <Samu> done 16:01:03 <Samu> autosave0.sav - yeah, i got it 16:04:11 *** Biolunar [Biolunar@x4d08f6e0.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:05:25 <Samu> http://i.imgur.com/pM5DJVU.png 16:05:38 <Samu> okay so there's space for airports after all 16:20:27 <Alberth> looks like a nice modern painting :) 16:21:19 <Wolf01> what's nice on modern paintings? ;) 16:22:08 <Alberth> to me, it looks better than a load of other paintings 16:22:19 <Alberth> so that classifies it as nice, imho 16:24:39 <Wolf01> the fact that the screenshots looks better than most paintings can be shared, but I can't find anything "nice" on a Mondrian's painting... 16:29:58 *** Xal [~xal@S0106f0f2490b0073.vw.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 16:34:14 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~farci@i59F6DC70.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 16:38:59 *** Taede [~T@neurotic.nurionis.co.uk] has quit [Quit: He who can look into the future, has a brighter future to look into] 16:40:37 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~farci@i59F6C7AD.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:40:56 *** Taede [~T@neurotic.nurionis.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:54:35 *** bryjen [~bryjen@cpe-76-92-80-32.mi.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 16:55:58 *** Tirili [~Unknown@HSI-KBW-082-212-030-207.hsi.kabelbw.de] has joined #openttd 16:56:08 * andythenorth refactored 100 python vehicle files 16:56:09 <andythenorth> lawks 16:58:28 <Alberth> that happens with one file for one vehicle :) 16:59:24 <andythenorth> itâs slightly less silly, but slightly more odd 16:59:36 <andythenorth> historical stuff to support 17:07:30 * andythenorth is automating to save time 17:07:32 <andythenorth> it takes hours 17:09:10 <Alberth> yep, very busy to do less :) 17:09:40 <Alberth> I think however in the end it pays off, as I have yet to see a case where the result was needed exactly one time 17:11:51 *** chomwitt [~chomwitt@athedsl-31807.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:14:31 <andythenorth> if I can automate cargo sprites, it will be good 17:15:46 *** JeromWaarom [~oftc-webi@52D970EB.cm-11-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 17:16:33 *** JeromWaarom [~oftc-webi@52D970EB.cm-11-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [] 17:21:57 *** chomwitt [~chomwitt@ppp-94-67-223-122.home.otenet.gr] has joined #openttd 17:22:49 *** FLHerne [~flh@cpc4-papw5-2-0-cust175.5-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: There's a real world out here!] 17:23:06 *** FLHerne [~flh@cpc4-papw5-2-0-cust175.5-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 17:26:13 *** FLHerne [~flh@cpc4-papw5-2-0-cust175.5-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [] 17:26:54 *** FLHerne [~flh@cpc4-papw5-2-0-cust175.5-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 17:26:54 *** FLHerne [~flh@cpc4-papw5-2-0-cust175.5-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [] 17:29:20 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:29:23 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 17:31:08 *** FLHerne [~flh@cpc4-papw5-2-0-cust175.5-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 17:45:46 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r27599 trunk/src/lang/unfinished/persian.txt (2016-06-12 19:45:36 +0200 ) 17:45:47 <DorpsGek> -Update from Eints: 17:45:48 <DorpsGek> persian: 2 changes by rkarimabadi 17:54:11 <Alkel_U3> andythenorth: I now noticed SQUID's Harbour Point Utility Vessel is advertised as 19 mph/30 kph but it actually runs at 21 mph / 35 kph. I assume that's a bug? http://i.imgur.com/5fq6LXp.png 17:55:17 <Wolf01> those are the safe operational limits, maybe there's an emergency... it always an emergency XD 17:55:52 <greeter> maybe it's a test to see how fast they can burn out the engine 17:56:34 <Alkel_U3> maybe it's the captain burning high quality rum :-) 17:56:54 <Alkel_U3> or low, can't tell what would be more efficient :-) 17:57:22 <Wolf01> does it happen only with "no orders"? 17:57:28 <greeter> generally takes moonshine for something like that, which will definitely burn out the engine fast unless it's built for ethanol based fuels 17:57:51 <Alberth> Alkel_U3: empty of full ship? 17:58:27 <Alberth> I am guessing empty :) 17:58:33 <Alkel_U3> it happens every time, the no orders is just that i wanted to be sure that there's no interference and ran a new instance of stable with no other newgrfs 17:59:17 <Alkel_U3> Alberth: oooh, that's it! But... isn't that a bad feature? :D 17:59:43 <Alberth> yep, it did since FISH 1 - something, empty ships run a bit faster :p 18:00:01 <Alberth> I requested that somewhen 18:00:35 <Wolf01> if running costs scales with speed I think it could be a good feature 18:01:08 <Wolf01> btw, got to go 18:01:12 <Alberth> bye 18:02:12 <Alkel_U3> that reminds me of a good old ttdpatch's feature - empty wagons would run fater by 20 kph by default 18:02:58 <Alkel_U3> I think some wagons have different speed restrictions loaded and empty 18:03:02 <Alberth> run a freight train with a freight multiplier of say 4 to 5 :) 18:03:55 <Alkel_U3> I used to do that with 6% slope - now I settled for 3x and 3% :-) 18:04:50 <Alkel_U3> I think I was kinda masochist with that setting 18:05:27 <Alberth> nah, just throw enough steam engines at it :) 18:06:34 <Alberth> I once ran the default set with the very first engine and heavy oil, had 1 engine for every 2 wagons :) 18:07:04 <Alberth> 4 engines for 8 wagons :) 18:07:05 <Alkel_U3> that's a lot of engines :D 18:07:26 <Alberth> can't have too many steam engines, imho :p 18:08:00 <Alkel_U3> as long as there's room for actual wagons... :-) 18:08:19 <Alberth> is useful, I agree :) 18:14:37 *** FLHerne [~flh@cpc4-papw5-2-0-cust175.5-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: There's a real world out here!] 18:14:57 *** FLHerne [~flh@cpc4-papw5-2-0-cust175.5-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 18:23:35 <Samu> preparing 7 more road vehicle AIs 18:23:48 <Samu> will start them soon, after CPU finishing 18:29:58 <Samu> what is the meaning of the different names for Level of easiness on MailAI? 18:31:31 <Samu> Level of easiness: Chieftain / I'm a Chew Toy / Elves Just Want To Have Fun / Smooth Sailin' / I'm Too Young To Die / Sith Apprentice 18:31:48 <Samu> which value makes him competitive? 18:31:54 <Samu> make profits and so? 18:34:52 *** aard [~aard@108.134.189.109.customer.cdi.no] has joined #openttd 18:37:05 <andythenorth> ships travel faster when empty 18:37:08 <andythenorth> bad feature 18:37:39 *** bryjen [~bryjen@cpe-76-92-80-32.mi.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:38:40 <Samu> from previoust testings, Perry Mail Truck is the most profitable road vehicle 18:39:07 <Samu> if MailAI can pull it off, working only with mail, he got the potential to end first 18:39:55 <Samu> what are the meaning of those settings? anyone know? 18:41:20 *** roidal [~roland@62-46-139-181.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.4] 18:55:52 <greeter> hmm, wasn't expecting to see oil rigs with over 600 passengers waiting on them 18:57:01 <Alkel_U3> greeter: btw, I got another server running if you wanna look. Even more wonders there :D 18:57:33 <greeter> lol i'm testing out my own right now, just trying to get it to the reset date to see how a reset works. i'll take a search for it though at some point 18:59:39 <frosch123> andythenorth: good idea, make them travel faster when full to reward bidirectional transport and refitting 19:03:41 *** ChoHag [~mking@195.200.244.51] has joined #openttd 19:03:51 <ChoHag> Is there an infinite money hack? 19:04:19 <ChoHag> My daughter likes to play but she's more interested in making mountains and planting trees than in creating hyper-efficient train networks. 19:04:42 <ST2> if SP, open cheat window, CTRL+ALT+C 19:10:42 <Samu> which one is better? Chieftain or Sith Apprentice? 19:11:43 <ChoHag> Thanks. 19:15:21 <Alberth> check out the newobject grfs, lots of eye-candy to put in the game 19:17:26 <Alberth> https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=74510 if you're australian minded 19:20:17 <Alberth> https://www.tt-forums.net/viewforum.php?f=47 a whole forum filled with it :) 19:22:16 <Samu> I'm gonna try Sith Apprentice, but I don't know what to expect 19:23:08 <Alberth> https://wiki.openttd.org/NewGRF_List at the bottom, center column there are newobject grfs 19:23:31 <Alberth> ChoHag: ^ 19:41:42 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 19:51:15 *** frosch123 [~frosch@00013ce7.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 19:54:07 *** Arveen [~Arveen@ip-95-223-75-47.hsi16.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 20:06:02 <Samu> just started 7 AIs 20:07:28 <Samu> ChooChoo, Rondje, rocketAI, PAXLink, PathZilla, MailAI, gelignAIte 20:08:24 *** Quinch [~oftc-webi@d205-206-100-76.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 20:11:00 *** LadyHawk- [~LadyHawk@5751e87a.skybroadband.com] has joined #openttd 20:11:00 *** LadyHawk [~LadyHawk@5751e87a.skybroadband.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:11:03 *** LadyHawk- is now known as LadyHawk 20:13:04 *** Tirili [~Unknown@HSI-KBW-082-212-030-207.hsi.kabelbw.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:15:15 *** Geth [~Geth@y32.ip1.anvianet.fi] has joined #openttd 20:20:24 *** Hiddenfunstuff [~Geth@y32.ip1.anvianet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:23:09 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc87201-aztw31-2-0-cust156.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has left #openttd [] 20:32:46 *** Quinch [~oftc-webi@d205-206-100-76.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:36:19 *** NoShlomo [~NoShlomo@90.74.151.136] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:36:40 *** NoShlomo [~NoShlomo@90.74.151.136] has joined #openttd 20:48:03 *** TomLeyton [TomLeyton@87.71.78.200] has quit [] 20:55:28 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@89.136.141.100] has quit [] 21:12:33 <Samu> civilai bankrupted, hmm 21:12:43 <Samu> have to recheck params 21:13:33 <Samu> wait a min 21:14:16 <Samu> nevermind, it's not civilai, lol 21:14:19 <Samu> it's rocketai 21:16:49 <Samu> it crashed, then bankrupted 21:16:56 <Samu> crashed it is then 21:18:02 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-98-14-130-227.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Snail] 21:28:57 *** NoShlomo [~NoShlomo@90.74.151.136] has quit [Quit: NoShlomo] 21:30:14 *** aard [~aard@108.134.189.109.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:33:47 <Samu> replaced rocketai with civilai and started 21:37:30 *** Gja [~Martin@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 21:38:59 <Samu> script took too long to save on server 6, that is... 21:39:15 <Samu> PathZilla :( 21:39:35 <Samu> restarting without autosave 22:02:32 *** Quatroking [~Quatrokin@ip226-139-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:06:34 *** ConductCat [~Conductor@pool-108-56-0-223.washdc.btas.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 22:12:02 *** ConductorCat [~Conductor@pool-108-56-0-223.washdc.btas.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:12:23 *** ConductingCat [~Conductor@pool-108-56-0-223.washdc.btas.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 22:19:38 *** ConductCat [~Conductor@pool-108-56-0-223.washdc.btas.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:24:25 *** Progman [~progman@p57A18FBB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:24:46 <Samu> http://i.imgur.com/Wc4Eqy0.jpg - here they are 22:25:02 <Samu> the new round 22:25:09 <Samu> except that otvi 22:25:15 <Samu> that guy will only finish tomorrow 22:40:37 *** gelignite [~gelignite@x5ce48674.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/1kso8Ta] 22:42:21 *** Ethereal_Whisper [~Tricia@2600:8800:1280:5200:50a0:4633:1be8:57d3] has joined #openttd 22:56:04 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@89.136.141.100] has joined #openttd 22:57:52 *** FLHerne [~flh@cpc4-papw5-2-0-cust175.5-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: There's a real world out here!] 22:58:06 *** FLHerne [~flh@cpc4-papw5-2-0-cust175.5-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 22:58:20 *** FLHerne [~flh@cpc4-papw5-2-0-cust175.5-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:58:46 *** FLHerne [~flh@cpc4-papw5-2-0-cust175.5-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 23:00:16 <Wolf01> 'night 23:00:19 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 23:04:19 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-98-14-130-227.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 23:12:24 *** rah [rah@verain.settrans.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:14:10 <supermop__> Alkel_U3: current jgrpp seems to be xxx.3 not .2 23:14:45 <supermop__> as of today 23:18:12 <supermop__> don't know where to find the older version, so i cant join 23:19:43 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@89.136.141.100] has quit [] 23:21:26 *** FLHerne [~flh@cpc4-papw5-2-0-cust175.5-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: There's a real world out here!] 23:24:37 <Samu> choochoo bankrupted, kind of expected 23:26:14 *** Geth [~Geth@y32.ip1.anvianet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:27:31 <Samu> AroAI is replacing ChooChoo 23:30:36 <Samu> CivilAI bankrupted, really weird this AI at times 23:35:44 <Samu> Convoy is taking over