Log for #openttd on 13th July 2016:
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00:59:56  <Eddi|zuHause> ah the "experts" strike again. "it doesn't work on Mac OS because the original game was only for DOS and Windows"
01:00:18  <Sylf> so tempted to feed this troll >_<
01:01:06  <Sylf> meh.  Too lazy to do that.
01:02:44  <Eddi|zuHause> "The Republican Party declared that coal is now a 'clean' energy." great. the world is saved.
01:03:43  <Sylf> Huzzah! Let there be more steam locos!
01:05:14  <Sylf> oh.  it was a unanimous agreement.  even more scary.
01:05:55  <Eddi|zuHause> #makecoalgreatagain
01:06:19  <Eddi|zuHause> (i don't think hashtags work that way on IRC :p)
01:06:43  <Sylf> hey, if you wanna join the channel to talk about it, GREAT.
01:07:06  <Eddi|zuHause> not particularly :p
01:07:31  <Eddi|zuHause> still unsure whether i should go for the meissner porzellan achievement
01:08:08  <Eddi|zuHause> i'm almost definitely going for the 3 georgia achievement, though.
01:11:14  <Eddi|zuHause> fun sidenote: ever since i became defender of the faith, all countries of my faith were my vassals of mine. so i have all the benefits with none of the responsibilities
01:11:28  <Eddi|zuHause> -my
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08:59:41  <Wolf01> moin
09:12:19  <Alkel_U3> hello
09:12:22  <Wolf01> :(
09:12:48  <Wolf01> but it is clear "one of the trains wasn't supposed to be there" at the same time as the other.
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09:24:13  <Alkel_U3> At least it wasn't transport tycoon so it didn'r end with a giant fireball.
09:25:01  <Wolf01> and spinning wagons
09:27:53  <Alkel_U3> this might be fun
09:37:11  <Wolf01> won't play, no windows version
09:37:26  <Wolf01> just like ingress and pokémon go
09:39:53  <Alkel_U3> Also won't play, my ancient desire z struggles even with hangouts or gmail. Well, maybe someday.
09:40:39  <Alkel_U3> at least I can't play pokémon go, so I don't have my time taken away from me :-)
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10:25:04  <Flygon> Wolf01: I mean, I'd say "Knowing Italian safeworking..."
10:25:14  <Flygon> But then I'd be worried about being called racist against Italians or something
10:25:28  <Flygon> Neverminding that other Italians I've spoken with share my pessimism :|
10:25:58  <Wolf01> our laziness on safety system is well known
10:26:46  <Flygon> Oh, shit, right
10:26:50  <Flygon> You're Italian
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10:27:32  <Flygon> I'm just shocked by how often it's happening
10:27:41  <Flygon> Then again, Victoria isn't innocent
10:28:00  <Flygon> Happened earlier today
10:28:08  <Flygon> Autoplay warning
10:28:57  <Flygon> (It seems the N-Class smashed right into the truck mid-level crossing. There's no boom gates or lights)
10:29:43  <Wolf01> on the track between Venice and Treviso there are still many level crossings and every week at least 2 of them get wrecked because of stupid car drivers in a hurry
10:30:22  <Wolf01> and this mean, slow trains, people late at work/school
10:30:41  <Flygon> Every week?
10:30:45  <Flygon> Holy. Fuck.
10:30:47  <Wolf01> every week
10:30:54  <Flygon> That's utterly abysmal
10:30:58  <Flygon> Do they even have boom gates?
10:31:06  <Wolf01> yes, they smash the booms
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10:31:19  <Samu> 2034
10:31:26  <Flygon>
10:32:08  <Flygon> Here, in a bad week entire metropolis network, it's once every 1-2 weeks
10:32:31  <Flygon> But that's for a Metropolis around 50-70% the land mass of Tokyo
10:32:34  <Flygon> Not a single line
10:32:48  <Flygon> I'm just... baffled
10:33:07  <Flygon> Have you guys considered installing... *shakes his head*
10:33:10  <Flygon> I don't even know ._.
10:33:34  <Flygon> It seems like the only option are those steel security barriers airports use to prevent cars from going through rising out of the ground
10:33:37  <Flygon> Or full grade separation
10:33:40  <Flygon> That is just insane
10:35:19  <Flygon> If you want to read about Victoria's PT failures :P
10:36:49  <Wolf01> trenitalia, the main company considered to install the ERMTS 2nd level, but I don't really know when this will happen
10:37:08  <Flygon> ERMTS?
10:37:22  <Wolf01> European Rail Traffic Management System/European Train Control System
10:38:31  <Flygon> Ahh, right right
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10:38:40  <Flygon> I do wonder if Australia will implement it
10:38:46  <Flygon> At the moment, it's separated by state...
10:38:55  <Flygon> Each having it's own garapagosu solution
10:39:29  <Flygon> And different safety requirements
10:39:58  <Flygon> Such as Victoria needing TWPS (Train Warning Protection System) for 160km/h running, while NSW allows practially unlimited speed without such safety devices @_@
10:40:03  <Flygon> (in reality, nothng's gone over 193km/h)
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12:09:24  <Wolf01> mmmh I'm using 4550 of 4555kbps only for windows update
12:09:47  <Wolf01> the 5kbps is lost packets
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12:57:24  <V453000> murica
13:04:07  <Wolf01> :D
13:04:18  <Wolf01> reboot
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13:17:08  <Eddi|zuHause> the correct response would have been "fuck yeah", i think
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14:32:18  <Wolf01> o/
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14:36:48  <Alberth> o/
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15:23:12  <Wolf01> ahahahaah maybe it's andy's cat
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16:15:44  <Alberth> :D
16:18:17  <Eddi|zuHause> a cat would probably do a better job at cleaning up this mess than whichever poor soul gets that job now
16:33:45  <Alberth> oh, it's total fun, all the pro-brexit persons flee the building, afraid of what to do now :D
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16:45:14  <Alberth> hi hi
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16:55:15  <Rubidium> Wolf01: I'd guess that's Larry ;)
17:02:07  <Eddi|zuHause> larry the north?
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17:04:42  <frosch123> are there actually real people named larry?
17:07:12  <Rubidium> <- that Larry ofcourse
17:09:47  <frosch123> <- that looks suspicious
17:10:01  <frosch123> there are two peter in 41-46
17:10:05  <frosch123> and there is also a nelson
17:11:14  <frosch123> so, that's who andy is refering to, when asking for the cat
17:12:55  <frosch123> those cats are quite long-living on average, aren't they?
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17:18:26  <Alberth> 15 years is quite achievable, the cat of my parents was 18 when she died
17:27:22  <Wolf01> mine will be 20 at august
17:29:16  <frosch123> so your cat is from the previous millenium
17:29:25  <Wolf01> yes
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17:55:49  <Alberth> o/
17:58:00  <andythenorth> lo
17:58:30  <andythenorth> what a lot of FIRS bugs
17:59:43  <frosch123> cats also eat bugs sometimes
18:01:07  <andythenorth> where is cat?
18:07:17  <Samu> 2035
18:08:23  <Alberth> tomorrow 2037?
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18:14:24  <andythenorth> I suppose I should try and replicate these FIRS bugs
18:14:30  * andythenorth has low enthusiasm
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19:25:20  <andythenorth> daylength eh?
19:42:25  <Alberth> but we already have day, all year, for an entire century
19:43:03  <andythenorth> yes
19:43:07  <andythenorth> I like it
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19:44:41  <andythenorth> you know where you are with days
19:45:14  * andythenorth proposes tech levels
19:45:25  <andythenorth> player chooses how often tech level advances
19:45:31  <andythenorth> newgrf assigns vehicles to a tech level
19:45:37  <andythenorth> job done
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19:55:27  <Alberth> ha, like CorsixTH "You have done a good job here, want to proceed to the next level, or play here a little longer?"
19:56:01  <Wolf01> andythenorth, that's what I was working on
19:56:53  <Wolf01> but I lost interest
19:57:08  <andythenorth> it’s probably really easy
19:57:16  <andythenorth> incremement a counter every n years
19:57:19  <Wolf01> yes, looking at the code it seem so
19:57:26  <andythenorth> make sure it’s network safe
19:57:29  <andythenorth> put it in savegames
19:57:41  <andythenorth> patch the vehicle intro code
19:57:55  <andythenorth> don’t bother making it a newgrf cb, newgrf authors can’t be trusted
19:58:14  <andythenorth> add a settings UI entry for number of years
19:58:33  <andythenorth> don’t bother about GS, hardly anyone writes them anyway :D
19:59:45  <Wolf01> I liked to make it "static" for the current game, as if you change it on a running game you blow up things for sure, so you need to set the length on map generation
19:59:54  <andythenorth> all newgrfs that read date will be ‘broken'
19:59:56  <andythenorth> nvm
20:00:00  <andythenorth> shit happens
20:00:22  <Wolf01> not really, because you can provide a fake date just for grfs
20:00:34  <andythenorth> probably :P
20:03:10  <Wolf01> the only thing is that running costs etc must be specified in ticks and they won't be changed at all with the "day length"
20:03:33  <Wolf01> if you multiply by 10, everything is multiplied by 10
20:03:39  <Wolf01> costs, incomes, everything
20:03:55  <Eddi|zuHause> <Alberth> but we already have day, all year, for an entire century <-- wint^H^H^H^Hnight is coming?
20:04:53  <Wolf01> graphs will look exactly the same, no economy problems like the old daylength patches
20:05:23  <Alberth> tried the night baseset once, but you can't see a thing, quite literally :)
20:06:37  <Wolf01> I tried it too, maybe less dark would have been better
20:06:40  <andythenorth> running costs should stay consisteny
20:06:47  <andythenorth> time shouldn’t change, just intro dates
20:06:55  <andythenorth> all other reasons for daylength are crap :)
20:07:15  <andythenorth> I maintain it could be done in newgrf, but ‘too hard’ :P
20:07:21  <_dp_> just changing intro dates is kinda weird imo
20:07:41  <_dp_> changing time flow would be much more logical
20:07:50  <Wolf01> time won't change, the game will run exactly as it does now, just the time representation changes
20:08:02  <andythenorth> _dp_: logical for what reasons?
20:08:22  <_dp_> realism :p
20:08:47  <Wolf01> nobody wants realism
20:09:04  <_dp_> but whatever, what I'd really like to see is separate introduction dates for each company
20:09:09  <Wolf01> everybody just want to play more real minutes with that weird steam locomotive
20:09:10  <_dp_> controllable with gs or smth
20:10:09  <_dp_> well, mb that's because they can't do that now, and if you introduce tech levels they start complaining that playing with steam in 2020 is weird :p
20:10:38  <andythenorth> tough :D
20:10:44  <andythenorth> daylength doesn’t work, can’t be done
20:11:05  <andythenorth> “can’t” is a strong word
20:11:20  <_dp_> actually, intro dates kinda can be changed already
20:11:23  <andythenorth> “multiple people have tried and nobody suceeded yet” is a better thing
20:11:46  <Wolf01> I can, but people won't like it for sure
20:11:49  <andythenorth> Wolf01: all the newgrf date stuff should read a ‘relative to epoch’ var, instead of ‘current year'
20:11:53  <andythenorth> that would work
20:11:57  <Wolf01> ^
20:12:48  <_dp_> no, that won't let players spend more real minutes with their beloved steam locos :p
20:12:56  <andythenorth> so if I want to make a train red not blue after a certain date, it should check ‘epoch + 50’, not ‘1972’
20:14:15  * andythenorth won’t code this :P
20:14:47  * Wolf01 neither, I just lost interest :P
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20:20:42  * _dp_ never was interested in that :P
20:22:05  <_dp_> hm, actually, there may be a very easy solution
20:22:23  <_dp_> make a gs function that sets vehicle availability bit for company
20:22:36  <_dp_> I can make my separate introduction dates with it
20:22:51  <_dp_> and whoever wants tech levels can use that too
20:23:05  <Eddi|zuHause> sounds like what i proposed years ago
20:23:38  <Wolf01> thunderstorm...
20:23:44  <Wolf01> hailstorm too
20:24:05  <Eddi|zuHause> i had that earlier
20:24:23  <_dp_> so why wasn't it implemented then?
20:24:53  <Eddi|zuHause> because nobody was interested quite enough?
20:25:51  <_dp_> well, if that's the only reason I can make a patch, it's very simple
20:26:37  <Wolf01> better to give up this evening, light come and go
20:26:41  <Wolf01> 'night
20:26:55  <andythenorth> is the implementation that vehicles have an availability bit? o_O
20:26:57  * andythenorth never looked
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20:27:36  <_dp_> andythenorth, engines has company mask, it's used for previews but will work if you just set it
20:27:40  <Eddi|zuHause> yes, vehicles have a bitmask for availability to each company
20:27:41  <frosch123> andythenorth: if you disable reliability, then availability is pretty boring
20:28:04  <Eddi|zuHause> the game just only uses no bit, one single bit (preview) or all bits (available)
20:28:28  <Eddi|zuHause> but you could concievably allow setting each bit individually by gamescript
20:28:28  <andythenorth> frosch123: boring because...?
20:28:45  <frosch123> well, "boring" as in "simple" :)
20:28:48  <frosch123> just a simple bit
20:29:02  <frosch123> the reliability curve makes it complicated
20:29:11  <frosch123> and well, railtypes and wagons and stuff
20:31:49  <andythenorth> 'faster'
20:32:06  <andythenorth> I just never want to see another daylength request :)
20:32:27  <frosch123> anyway, people should just change the date, set never expire and use the purchase list filter :)
20:32:32  <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think suggestions work that way :p
20:33:00  <frosch123> maybe we could add support for iran calender
20:33:17  <frosch123> then peopl can set the norminal year as they like, and still have all engines available :)
20:33:32  <Eddi|zuHause> or the french revolutionary calendar with just 10 months? :p
20:34:12  <Alberth> actually, I was thinking for auzind, to have a starting date and an ending date, and scale everything linearly in-between
20:34:18  <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: does that affect the year?
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20:34:36  <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: they also started a new base year, yes.
20:39:50  <_dp_> btw, any feedback on ?
20:40:26  <_dp_> btpro guys were looking for a way to target individual players with gs popup too recently (that's what I plan to do with this api next)
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21:09:38  <Samu> 2036
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23:17:32  <Eddi|zuHause> this guy is truly the greatest troll on this planet
23:31:30  <_dp_> xD
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