Log for #openttd on 12th August 2016:
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02:37:25  <DonutMage> Just noticed that in the Cargo Payment Rates window in OpenTTD that it still says liters even though I have my options set to gallons. Where should I report that?
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02:53:17  <Flygon> If he didn't leave after just three minutes
02:53:23  <Flygon> I could have answered his question @_@
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04:35:43  <Eddi|zuHause> well, people do that far too often...
04:36:59  <Eddi|zuHause> (well, actually less often than they used to, IRC is a bit more niche now, hardly any new people joining)
04:38:20  <MonkeyDrone> Flygon: what was the answer?
04:38:42  <MonkeyDrone> most people don't understand irc, too busy with their facebook chat ;P
04:39:58  <Eddi|zuHause> MonkeyDrone: that's total nonsense, because people did that long before facebook existed
04:41:37  <Eddi|zuHause> MonkeyDrone: i once said a sentence like "old people have no patience anymore, must be because of this rock'n'roll music that fries their brains"
04:44:18  <Eddi|zuHause> turns out, people do the same thing they always did, including thinking that the next generation will bring the downfall of civilization.
05:20:48  <Flygon> 42
05:21:20  <Flygon> <Eddi|zuHause> MonkeyDrone: i once said a sentence like "old people have no patience anymore, must be because of this rock'n'roll music that fries their brains"
05:21:29  <Flygon> Heavy Metal's still a kickass movie
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05:36:42  <merc> Evening folks
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06:00:18  <Flygon> Maybe we should put something in the topic
06:00:28  <Flygon> Like "Don't leave immediately, that's not how IRC works"
06:00:31  <Flygon> :I
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06:32:24  <MonkeyDrone> Yes our kids will bring the end of the world. Those bastards!
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08:23:49  <Alberth> o/
08:28:56  <V453000> yo mf
08:29:43  <andythenorth> iz trains?
08:31:33  <V453000> didn't really have time for it yesterday, but I did some modelling on the coupling part
08:31:51  <V453000> I got some ideas how to make it look better, just need to implement them over the weekend
08:32:24  * andythenorth bbl
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09:22:50  <Wolf01> moin
09:38:56  <Alberth> moin
09:41:26  <tycoondemon> people are spoiled with whatsapp and telegram
09:44:45  <Wolf01> < Flygon> Like "Don't leave immediately, that's not how IRC works" <- I tried staying in a channel for 10+ hours after I made a question, not even a single line of text with 8 people in the channel... everyone idle
09:46:36  <Flygon> Wolf01: True. I've had that happen myself
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09:47:47  <Wolf01> Btw, we already have "Don't ask to ask" in the topic, and they still ask to ask
09:47:56  <Wolf01> So: nobody reads topic
09:48:09  <Flygon> ...
09:48:18  <Flygon> I am guilty of asking to ask
09:48:20  <Flygon> It's just...
09:48:22  <Flygon> Rude!
09:48:24  <Flygon> To not ask!
09:49:01  <Wolf01> May I ask to ask a question?
09:49:28  <Flygon> Perhaps
09:50:47  <Alberth> how can you say "perhaps" if he already did it?
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09:52:14  <Flygon> Alberth: Nothing in the rules says I can't!
09:52:22  <Wolf01> The problem with "ask to ask" is that you could wait indefinitely for the grant, which usually won't arrive as "could I ask a question?" is a totally pointless sentence. If you greet, and clearly ask what do you need, maybe one bored idler could answer
09:54:11  <peter1138> hi
09:54:17  <MonkeyDrone> hello peter1138
09:54:25  <Wolf01> :)
09:55:15  <Wolf01> I really need to play with a GS... I'm getting bored after 2 years of playing OTTD
09:55:22  <MonkeyDrone> GS?
09:55:32  <MonkeyDrone> game sexxor mod?
09:55:37  <Wolf01> Game Script
09:55:52  <Wolf01> Objectives/Challenges
09:55:57  <MonkeyDrone> aye, i know of it
09:56:03  <MonkeyDrone> well you could try playing tetris
09:57:00  <Wolf01> But now, I'll try to make a working base on Planetbase, I got my people dying the first night because the night came really soon and they didn't build the accumulator in time
09:57:14  <Alberth> oops
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10:30:55  <Samu> hi
10:32:28  <Samu> hmm i'm trying to test aircraft AIs
10:32:42  <Samu> they have trouble starting up
10:32:49  <Samu> they spend money on roads :(
10:33:44  <Samu> otviai spent an insane amount of money on construction, i dont know what it did, terraform perhaps?
10:33:54  <Samu> no airports
10:34:11  <Samu> no roads either
10:39:40  <Samu> okay, trying a different setting for otvi
10:39:50  <Samu> he detected that he can't build roads now
10:39:56  <Samu> let's hope he builds aircraft
10:40:44  <Samu> nevermind
10:41:02  <Samu> it wasn't otviai that was building roads
10:51:10  <Samu> out of 8 AIs only 3 managed to start up correctly
10:55:03  <Samu> there are 21 ais that use aircraft
10:58:36  <Samu> managed to make borkai build aircraft
10:58:50  <Samu> his settings aren't too clear, i have to mess around with them
10:59:23  <Samu> otviai wants to build helicopters
10:59:30  <Samu> there aren't any in 1950
10:59:48  <Samu> but he spends all his money on terraforming
11:03:06  <Samu> so borkai has a setting to enable building of buses and trucks
11:03:23  <Samu> i have it unchecked, and yet he still builds roads and tries to build vehicles
11:03:27  <Samu> ...
11:04:33  <Samu> if i enable it, it builds aircraft
11:04:51  <Samu> LOGIC!
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11:17:36  <Samu> otviai doesn't like toyland
11:17:46  <Samu> at least in 1950, when it can't build helicopters
11:18:31  <Samu> i picked toyland because aircraft there can transport all cargo, i was opening more options, but 1950 seems to be a problem
11:21:37  <Samu> i need a different testing methodology
11:27:54  <Alberth> play at a later date, with more types of airport?  or do otiviai separately?
11:34:57  <Samu> but for a competition, i wanted to give all AIs the same settings
11:35:01  <Samu> same rules
11:35:37  <Samu> trying to accomodate different server settings for as long as it accomodates most AIs
11:36:01  <Samu> but in the end, i still want them all to go by the same server config
11:36:23  <Samu> if i start in 1960, it must be for all
11:37:12  <Samu> it misses the small airports and lack of helis if I do that
11:37:22  <Samu> hmm :(
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11:37:55  <Samu> otviai seems to be doing a better start in temperate
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11:38:10  <Samu> actually, a better "not starting"
11:38:22  <Samu> he keeps his money, until a later date I guess
11:39:12  <Samu> let's see what he do
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11:41:06  <Alberth> could perhaps do 2 tests, one for not being able to build, and a "normal" game that starts later
11:41:48  <Alberth> I agree testing very early is useful too, although likely people selecting aircraft AIs will not play in that era
11:44:30  <Samu> speaking of which, cluelessplus started very well, until the airport upgrade
11:44:36  <Samu> he's struggling in this part
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11:44:48  <Samu> let's see if he survives
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11:46:47  <Samu> BorkAI is building aircraft but also builds roads
11:46:59  <Samu> i dont think he will develop
11:47:29  <Samu> the settings don't help
11:47:37  <Samu> i can't do any better
11:47:47  <Alberth> or don't help enough :)
11:49:37  <Samu> EpicTrans is the first to go into my list of bankrupted
11:49:45  <Samu> i tried it in different manners
11:50:08  <Samu> toyland, arctic, temperate, tropic, it doesn't have any configurable parameters
11:50:31  <Samu> it builds roads
11:50:46  <Samu> money gone instantly, bankrupted in 1950, that was fast
11:51:19  <Alberth> Epic!  :p
11:51:21  <Samu> im relunctant to test in 1960
11:52:30  <Alberth> yeah, not much point to try before at least one airport is available
11:57:37  <Samu> dictatorai seems bugged
11:57:53  <Samu> everytime he picks a cargo, it's always TOYS
11:58:01  <Samu> he tries mail, pass, cola
11:58:12  <Samu> but errors that the engine can't use TOYS
11:58:22  <Alberth> :p
11:58:45  <Alberth> toys can be moved to towns, which is why it picks that, perhaps
11:58:48  <Samu> will wait till the faster planes
11:59:05  <Samu> if he still doesn't build anything, i guess i'm gonna give up on toyland
12:19:42  <Samu> ditactorai has finally built something
12:19:48  <Samu> guess i'm staying on toyland
12:20:18  <Samu> chopper started building
12:20:26  <Samu> helis became available
12:20:48  <Samu> cluelessplus is past the problematic airport upgrade
12:20:52  <Samu> survived
12:21:00  <Samu> borkai is struggling
12:21:08  <Samu> otviai still did  nothing
12:21:12  <Samu> afk lunch time
12:38:14  <Samu> back
12:38:17  <Samu> otviai isn't building
12:38:40  <Samu> giving up on him
12:41:53  <Samu> starting PAXLink, i bet it will fail
12:47:36  <Alberth> pax should just work, shouldn't it?
12:48:01  <Samu> it relies on bus feeding
12:48:09  <Samu> but im not allowing road vehicles
12:48:18  <Alberth> ah :)
12:48:29  <Alberth> sounds like a safe bet then :)
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12:51:53  <Samu> i think i will do another test after aircraft, which I will allow all vehicle types
12:52:35  <Samu> seems fairer for some of the AIs which can't handle only 1 type of vehicles
12:53:19  <Samu> the map layout must be a mix of water, land/hill
12:54:26  <Samu> AdmiralAI is the best performing aircraft AI on this first round
12:55:05  <Samu> in 1962, already with 1300 aircraft, and none are negative
12:55:39  <Samu> £6k profit a quarter and still rising
12:56:44  <Samu> erm €6million, my bad
12:56:48  <Samu> £6m
13:06:38  <Samu> CivilAI doesn't build any airport, i think it depends on buses as well
13:06:53  <Samu> paxlink is in negative, gonna bankrupt soon
13:07:21  <Samu> borkai seems to be slowly digging his grave
13:07:29  <Samu> everytimes he makes money, he builds roads
13:07:52  <Samu> can't build more than 9 aircraft if he keeps doing that
13:08:14  <Samu> paxlink banrupted, ok next
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13:10:56  <Samu> it's nocab
13:11:06  <Samu> i think he will do greatly
13:12:55  <Samu> probably will get a too long to save at some point
13:13:08  <Samu> but still, will try with autosaves first
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13:37:31  <peter1138> moo
13:37:39  <andythenorth> moo moo
13:37:53  <andythenorth> it’s the sound of moo
13:38:01  <Wolf01> o/
13:38:51  <Wolf01> andy, did you read the interview to Andrew Woodman on brickset?
13:39:01  <andythenorth> nah
13:39:05  <andythenorth> should I?
13:39:22  <Wolf01> Depends on what makes you upset :P
13:40:52  * andythenorth reading it
13:42:05  <Wolf01> I think what he says is the point of view of the company, not really from the designer
13:46:03  <andythenorth> that’s his job :)
13:48:23  <Wolf01> They lost interest in technics, they only go for appearance and he tells the opposite
13:50:10  <Wolf01> You can see even from the Porsche that it's only aestethics, they hid everything
13:50:28  <andythenorth> dunno
13:50:30  <Wolf01> And the mechanism they make often don't work well
13:50:35  <andythenorth> there’s all those people who want loads of panels
13:50:45  <andythenorth> you’re right about some of the mechanisms
13:50:56  <V453000> I shit pixels
13:50:59  <V453000> do you shit pixels?
13:51:02  <andythenorth> not today
13:51:04  <andythenorth> having a rest
13:51:07  <V453000> brain surgeon?
13:51:28  <andythenorth> not usually
13:52:26  <V453000> sure, I will have a beer, thank you for suggesting
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13:58:34  <supermop> yo
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14:22:39  <Samu> civilai bankrupted, time for NoNoCAB
14:29:02  <Wolf01> Parenthesis, they save your life... also I noticed that now the conhost parses again the script at each user/program action, which is really nice
14:35:26  <Eddi|zuHause> Parenthesis is the process by which parents are made?
14:38:09  <Wolf01> Yes, what else
14:38:58  <Wolf01> Did you prefer brackets?
14:40:28  <Eddi|zuHause> it's totally weird. with the radeon driver, vlc has trouble playing back some mpeg (2) files, where other players work fine. with the fglrx driver i did not have that problem
14:44:59  <Samu> borkai is in trouble, will bankrupt
14:51:17  <Samu> admiralai is massing statues, i see
14:51:34  <Samu> i was wondering why his money was kinda low for the amount of profit he has
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14:59:54  <Samu> borkai bankrupted :|
15:00:26  <Samu> Rythorn Airline AI is next
15:13:05  <Alberth> fast test, this way :p
15:18:05  <Samu> they're still 21 ais
15:18:29  <Samu> 5 bankrupted
15:18:36  <Samu> there's 16 yet to test
15:19:00  <Samu> for 100 years, usually 2 days if the servers don't slow down
15:20:01  <Samu> rythorn started with some risk, very long distance aircraft
15:20:08  <Samu> without full load orders
15:20:17  <Samu> after a year it's finally starting to profit
15:20:42  <Samu> so i guess for the first time I get 8 ais profiting
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15:36:43  <Samu> i guess rythorn needs some parameter adjustments, he's selling profitable aircraft, but requires a min of £20000 per year
15:36:55  <Samu> that's just not possible with the early models
15:37:06  <Samu> hmm lets see if he can survive until the better models
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16:11:14  <Wolf01> bbl
16:11:16  <Wolf01> o/
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16:53:02  <andythenorth> cat
16:53:11  <Alberth> woof
16:53:16  <andythenorth> dogcat
16:54:27  <Samu> rythorn is not gonna make it, time to adjust parameters
16:59:18  <Samu> heh, 5000 /year is minimum i can set to keep aircraft, that's kinda short
16:59:25  <Samu> erm, high
16:59:33  <Samu> I wanted to set even less
17:00:31  <Samu> they were averaging 4000
17:00:45  <Samu> this is not gonna work, there's not much else i can change
17:02:02  <Samu> min town size to build an airport is the only other setting i can meddle with
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17:04:15  <Samu> AIAI crashed
17:04:33  <Samu> Your script made an error: assertion failed
17:04:37  <Samu> ok reporting
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17:05:53  <Alberth> quak
17:12:13  <andythenorth> my game hit boredom point :P
17:12:23  <andythenorth> 1890-1937
17:12:37  * andythenorth rarely manages more than 60 years
17:12:53  <andythenorth> maybe it’s because I choose small maps
17:13:29  <Samu>
17:13:33  <Samu> reported
17:13:36  <andythenorth> once I hit the industry funding stage, I start to lose interest
17:13:40  <frosch123> hoi
17:13:41  <Samu> looks like a similar error
17:14:06  <frosch123> andythenorth: suggest on forums to make the game faster
17:14:22  <andythenorth> shorter daylength?
17:14:36  <frosch123> :p
17:16:13  <andythenorth>
17:16:27  <andythenorth> the big cities are starting to make building train routes non-viable
17:16:31  <andythenorth> ships are boring
17:16:54  <andythenorth> and I’m prospecting arable farms (green) to try and meet a BB goal for the brewery (yellow)
17:18:21  <andythenorth> not going well
17:18:48  <Samu> starting simpleai
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17:20:46  <andythenorth> biab
17:20:54  <andythenorth> moar GS needed :)
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17:28:14  <Samu> nocab is still saving
17:28:19  <Samu> interesting
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17:29:59  <Samu> looks like admiralai got bored of massing statues
17:30:06  <Samu> he's building more aircraft
17:31:21  <Samu> massed statues for 5 years straight
17:31:26  <Samu> :)
17:32:54  <Samu> cluelessplus weakness are the upgrades it seems
17:33:00  <Samu> his profit goes down
17:33:24  <Samu> he upgraded his aircraft just now and it impacted the profit graph
17:33:37  <Samu> but he's safe
17:33:45  <Samu> won't die for it
17:35:17  <Samu> rythorn, with £5k min profit per year per aircraft is doing better now, i think it's enough for him to survive till the better planes
17:44:56  <tycoondemon> may I ask, can I ask o ask a question?
17:45:05  <tycoondemon> *to
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17:55:09  <Samu> admiralai is building more statues, heh, i wonder when will he run out of towns
17:55:38  <Alberth> depending on map size and town density...  that may be a while :p
17:57:34  <Samu> map is 1024x1024, high number of towns
17:57:41  <Samu> let me see how many
17:58:30  <Samu> i think it's 768 towns
17:59:08  <Samu> how can i tell for sure how many towns are there
17:59:54  <Alberth> if it's not in the town list, I wouldn't know
18:00:03  <Samu> town directory doesn't say how many towns there are, only world population
18:00:12  <Alberth> but 800 sounds a good estimate
18:00:21  <Alberth> *like
18:01:56  <Samu> nocab still saving
18:02:29  <Samu> he's over 2400 aircraft, and still saving, that's unexpected
18:11:12  <Samu> rythorn profit graph is stagnated, but hopefully that's enough till the newer models, just around next year
18:11:31  <Samu> at least it's profiting, not in the negative
18:21:10  <Samu> nocab seems stuck
18:21:12  <Samu> dbg: [script] [0] [W] WARNING: Demolishing connection from Plardston Sweet Factory to Funhattan Sweet Factory
18:21:20  <Samu> always this...
18:22:08  <Samu> nice, it unstucked
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18:30:25  <andythenorth> well
18:30:36  <andythenorth> when BB gives me a mail or pax goal in small town, I want fast growth
18:30:52  <andythenorth> but when a town is too big, it blocks the map
18:30:57  * andythenorth is never happy eh? :)
18:34:51  <Eddi|zuHause> just remove a few buildings and buy the land, then come back after a few months when the rating recovered
18:35:05  <Eddi|zuHause> it goes pretty quick if you have a bus/tram network
18:35:47  <andythenorth> I have to use that road-removing ‘cheat’ I think
18:36:00  <andythenorth> the one that lets me demolish connected road tiles
18:36:12  <Eddi|zuHause> that's not a cheat... that's just common sense
18:36:41  <Eddi|zuHause> turning that off is just masochism. that's your own fault
18:36:50  <andythenorth> ingrained play style
18:36:56  <andythenorth> habits take time to break :P
18:38:25  <andythenorth> but anyway
18:38:34  <andythenorth> some kind of Ultimate GS is needed
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18:38:49  <andythenorth> BB gets me about 40-75 years of fun
18:40:28  <andythenorth> Ultimate will turn out to be full of totally flawed ideas
18:40:38  <andythenorth> but that’s par for the course
18:40:45  <supermop> eminent domain gs that demolishes swathes of town for you
18:40:57  <andythenorth> town schmown
18:41:05  <andythenorth> I should just turn down town growth rate
18:41:19  <andythenorth> moar goals needed
18:41:21  <supermop> should i buy a ps4 for this space game?>
18:41:59  <andythenorth> probably
18:43:32  <supermop> can i build trains on the planets?
18:43:38  <supermop> if not why bother
18:49:06  <Eddi|zuHause> the problem i have with procedurally created content is that over longer times, everything will look kinda the same
18:49:48  <Eddi|zuHause> also, isn't a PC release scheduled like today?
18:51:42  <supermop> there is no way my computer could run that
18:52:08  <Eddi|zuHause> them rather invest in a proper PC
18:52:17  <supermop> a few hundred bucks on a ps4 is the more economical solution, though it means getting my old tv out of storage
18:52:38  <Eddi|zuHause> it might be cheaper, but economical?
18:53:00  <supermop> Eddi|zuHause: should but do not have the cash on hand
18:53:05  <MonkeyDrone> No Man's Sky?
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18:54:07  <supermop> still need to buy airfare for a trip in October too
18:54:17  <MonkeyDrone> i am looking forward to 'Limit Theory', game concept was nice,something i can chill on as well but no idea when it releases >.<
18:56:54  <supermop> and be sure to have enough set aside for rent next month, and any beers between now and then
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19:04:17  <Eddi|zuHause> if not having enough for rent is an actual possibility, maybe you should aim for cheaper ways of entertainment than a full price game
19:07:12  <MonkeyDrone> No Man's sky on steam now, . NOPE.JPG
19:07:42  <supermop> the game isn't that expensive compared to rent, but the cost of a suitably well performing computer is
19:08:33  <supermop> i pay about 1350 usd /mo, and i assume i'd pay nearly double that were i to build a new workstation
19:10:15  <MonkeyDrone> how much % of income is going on rent is the real question
19:10:25  <MonkeyDrone> 1350 to someone making 10k would be not much :P
19:10:28  <supermop> maybe less, i am not sure, but i'd want any desktop computer taking up space in my apartment to be a reasonably well performing machine for design work as well
19:11:10  <supermop> MonkeyDrone: if i was making 10,000 usd/mo i would not be worried about the computer taking up space in an apartment
19:11:35  <MonkeyDrone> haha, well you said  isn't much, but it's all subjectice in the end
19:11:41  <supermop> and likely my life would be such that i'd never have the time nor want to even think about buying a game
19:12:02  <MonkeyDrone> well , depends on how you make that k
19:12:06  <supermop> as either i'd have some lavish lifestyle, or i'd be so busy with work that gaming would never be an option
19:12:26  <MonkeyDrone> nah
19:12:34  <MonkeyDrone> i've seen rich people here who live pretty normal lives
19:12:55  <MonkeyDrone> fracking millionaires but still got a normal size house, normal cars, none of that luxury high end stuff
19:13:05  <MonkeyDrone> and just go about doing normal life stuff
19:13:15  <supermop> if i had that kind of cash in new york city, i wouldn't care about the game
19:13:37  <supermop> i'd just be travelling as often as my job would let me take time off
19:13:58  <MonkeyDrone> hah, well then, you sure are in a different spotlight
19:14:29  <supermop> my wife actually makes something closer to that before taxes,
19:14:49  <supermop> and that essentially is her goal. travel as much as possible, work as much as possible
19:15:55  <supermop> she has her job, a freelance side job, and pro bono data science work for a non-profit, that take up all her time, except for what she sets aside for travel
19:16:26  <supermop> between my lower pay and fewer vacation days i don't get to go on all of the trips
19:17:31  <supermop> also wife might be more willing to go in on the cost of a ps4 than a desktop as at least two people can easily use the ps4 at the same time
19:18:12  <Eddi|zuHause> yay, free weekend on goat simulator. and the first achievement i get is "the game crashed" :p
19:18:40  <supermop> goat simulator? does it eat digital garbage?
19:19:06  <Eddi|zuHause> something like that
19:19:39  <supermop> train you for goat ownership?
19:20:54  <supermop> ok leaving office
19:20:57  <supermop> summer fridays
19:21:14  <supermop> later everyone
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20:06:03  <Samu> chopper is stuck, log message is spamming ERR_UNKNOWN
20:06:52  <debdog> maybe an airhole
20:07:01  <Samu>           Found an airport to upgrade: Lonthill City Airport, and then ERR_UNKNOWN
20:07:09  <Samu> let me check that airport
20:08:44  <Samu> there is a helicopter in the hangar, maybe that's why?
20:08:59  <Samu> it's stopped inside hangar
20:09:06  <Samu> i guess chopper is stuck forever
20:19:36  <Eddi|zuHause> this game is way silly :p
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20:24:11  <Eddi|zuHause> i thought i was playing goat simulator, but it's actually i am bread simulator :p
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20:33:37  <Eddi|zuHause> anyone know how i turn back into a goat? :p
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21:28:36  <MonkeyDrone> goondight homies
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22:37:54  <Samu> cat simulator, does it exist?
22:40:15  <ST2> thank you google ^^
22:58:05  <Samu> break things? my cats don't do that
22:58:12  <Samu> well, they rarely do
22:58:13  * NGC3982 does.
22:58:41  <Samu> when they do it, they just hide in the smallest hole they can find as quick as they can
23:00:01  <NGC3982> Our two cats break stuff rarely, but when they do - It's usually due to some fart causing panic and -total mayhem-.
23:00:08  <NGC3982> Like full on chairs and tables everywhere.
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23:15:15  <Samu> oh really? to change steam language i need a steam account? no thx
23:15:30  <Samu> stupid website
23:16:18  <ST2> something like this...
23:52:13  <Samu> that's what it defaults to
23:53:46  <Wolf01> Soooo... I went full retard, or I broke the game... enough vegetable cultivations to satisfy 200 people, they decay in <1m and people starve to death :|
23:55:02  <Wolf01> They have enough water, they are already almost half decayed as soon as I build them, I can't understand why
23:55:19  <Wolf01> (planetbase)
23:56:20  <Samu> nocab autosaves still working
23:56:35  <Samu> 3472 aircraft
23:56:38  <Samu> i'm surprised
23:57:47  <Eddi|zuHause> need a fridge
23:58:05  <Samu> some ais prefer the fastest aircraft, others prefer the capacious aircraft
23:58:24  <Eddi|zuHause> (or garden soil/fertilizer)
23:58:27  <Wolf01> No, the plants decay and I can't even get the first batch of products
23:59:08  <Samu> and then there's admiralai with his weird choices
23:59:18  <Wolf01> Nah, no such thing in the game, just water and biologists

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