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00:26:03 <Samu> rythorn airline ai reached 2051 00:26:10 <Samu> now starting Trans 00:27:16 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po1-84-91-250-188.netvisao.pt] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:27:51 *** Amix [~Amix2@239.65.45.31.customer.cdi.no] has joined #openttd 00:28:04 *** sim-al2 is now known as Guest5972 00:28:05 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@108-221-157-231.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 00:33:06 *** Guest5972 [~sim-al2@108-221-157-231.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:38:10 *** CompuDesktop [~Compu@cpe-67-255-36-150.stny.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:47:05 *** Compu [~Compu@cpe-67-255-36-150.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 00:55:38 <Eddi|zuHause> uhm, how do i edit a .lnk file in wine? 00:59:05 <Wolf01> 'night 00:59:08 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 01:11:38 *** Amix [~Amix2@239.65.45.31.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 01:30:53 *** mindlesstux_ [~mindlesst@daedalus.mindlesstux.com] has joined #openttd 01:36:56 *** mindlesstux [~mindlesst@daedalus.mindlesstux.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:36:56 *** mindlesstux_ is now known as mindlesstux 01:43:08 *** gelignite_ [~gelignite@x4db5d2ae.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #openttd 01:50:21 *** gelignite [~gelignite@x5ce3f4c7.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:16:29 *** Elle_ is now known as ElleKitty 02:28:12 *** gelignite_ [~gelignite@x4db5d2ae.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/1kso8Ta] 02:29:00 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 02:30:39 *** ConductorCat [~Conductor@209.159.178.61] has joined #openttd 04:34:59 *** Compu [~Compu@cpe-67-255-36-150.stny.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:35:05 *** Compu [~Compu@cpe-67-255-36-150.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 05:16:11 *** supermop [~supermop@pool-100-37-117-73.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:05:06 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@108-221-157-231.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:22:33 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc87201-aztw31-2-0-cust156.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 06:40:31 *** Hiddenfunstuff [~Geth@y32.ip1.anvianet.fi] has joined #openttd 06:46:35 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc87201-aztw31-2-0-cust156.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 07:10:03 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19EC0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 07:27:06 *** alask0ud [~theSuperd@181.169.232.64] has quit [Quit: Some folks are wise, and some otherwise.] 07:28:31 *** ElleKitty [~Elle@178-223-61-33.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:39:02 *** ElleKitty [~Elle@178-223-61-33.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined #openttd 08:02:09 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po1-84-91-250-188.netvisao.pt] has joined #openttd 08:02:13 <Samu> hi 08:08:23 <Samu> 1993, 1967, 1982, 2006, 1981, 1954, 2047, 1988 08:08:59 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@89.136.141.100] has joined #openttd 08:31:45 *** CompuDesktop [~Compu@cpe-67-255-36-150.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 08:33:50 *** Compu [~Compu@cpe-67-255-36-150.stny.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:35:10 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc87201-aztw31-2-0-cust156.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 08:38:52 <andythenorth> o/ 08:40:31 *** Elle_ [~Elle@109-93-124-221.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined #openttd 08:46:00 *** ElleKitty [~Elle@178-223-61-33.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:48:07 *** ElleKitty [~Elle@109-93-126-60.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined #openttd 08:53:41 *** Elle_ [~Elle@109-93-124-221.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:53:53 *** Elle_ [~Elle@79-101-206-42.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined #openttd 08:54:00 *** frosch123 [~frosch@00013ce7.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 08:54:19 <andythenorth> quak 08:54:20 <andythenorth> etc 08:54:49 <frosch123> hola 08:57:44 <andythenorth> extra toolbar sprites would go in media/extra_grf/openttdgui.png? 08:57:53 <andythenorth> or in objs/[same] 08:58:41 *** ElleKitty [~Elle@109-93-126-60.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:59:42 *** Elle_ is now known as ElleKitty 09:01:53 <frosch123> objs/ is generated i guess 09:01:57 <frosch123> media/ is source 09:02:04 <andythenorth> ok ta 09:02:33 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~farci@i59F6C9FC.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 09:08:40 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~farci@i59F6BF91.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:18:02 *** idl0r [~idl0r@qasl.de] has joined #openttd 09:19:22 <idl0r> hey guys, is there some kind of howto for the newgrf stuff? there's so many separate packages and i'm not sure which one i'd need to have anything replaced it so far 09:30:44 <frosch123> idl0r: https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=1174904#p1174904 09:42:50 *** smoke_fumus [~smoke_fum@188.35.176.90] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 09:44:23 <idl0r> hm, ok, seems to be not that easy :( 09:44:25 <idl0r> thanks 09:47:20 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 09:47:23 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 09:52:19 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host213-233-dynamic.245-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 09:52:27 <Wolf01> o/ 09:53:06 <Alberth> moin 09:53:06 <Wolf01> I like getting up with a bad headache, it adds some wtf to the life 09:53:19 <Alberth> right :p 09:53:46 <Wolf01> Especially when it's not a hangover 09:54:10 <Alberth> hmm, that eliminates a simple way to fix your preference :p 09:55:02 <Wolf01> That's why it adds the wtf 09:57:34 <Samu> //I have better things to do than changing HasNext to IsEnd all over my code because OpenTTD devs //suddenly decided that former one is somehow better (IMHO it is worse due to more complex contruction - it requires !) 09:57:40 <Samu> what does this mean? 09:57:41 <Alberth> not sleeping long enough might work 09:58:24 <Wolf01> I got up at 8.20 09:58:35 <Samu> AIAI crashes because there's something wrong when its listing his vehicles 09:58:59 <Samu> what is HasNext and IsEnd? 09:59:24 <Alberth> functions to detect end of a list 09:59:51 <Alberth> no idea how they are different, but apparently, they are, and the author of that AI wasn't too hapy about it 10:00:40 <Samu> AIVehicleList.HasNext <- 10:01:02 <Samu> i'm unsure where the error is 10:01:33 <Samu> the ai wants to sell unprofitable vehicles, it seems there's 46 to sell 10:01:39 <Samu> on the 26th one it crashed 10:01:45 <Samu> with invalid vehicle 10:02:11 <Samu> i set airplanes not to crash 10:02:19 <Samu> i set permanent airports 10:02:35 <Alberth> I don't know where the error is either 10:02:36 <Samu> i set permanent vehicle models 10:03:03 <Samu> https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=47298&start=260#p1174991 10:03:05 <Alberth> but it's in the details with how the list is handled, perhaps 10:03:39 <Samu> i dunno how to debug this 10:04:05 <Samu> 46 should be sold, on the 22th it crashed, sorry, not 26th 10:04:06 <Alberth> debugging is useless at this time 10:04:24 <Alberth> it uses HasNext, which for some reason is not the solution that should be used 10:04:49 <Alberth> so that's what needs to be changed first, before you can even decide whether a bug exists at all 10:05:12 <Alberth> apparently the author has no time to do that, as he stated 10:06:05 <Samu> it's a common error :( wish i could fix it 10:07:30 <Samu> author is Kogut 10:08:54 *** ConductCat [~Conductor@209.159.178.6] has joined #openttd 10:10:55 *** ConductingCat [~Conductor@209.159.178.61] has joined #openttd 10:15:55 *** ConductorCat [~Conductor@209.159.178.61] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:17:11 *** ConductCat [~Conductor@209.159.178.6] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:25:31 <Samu> for (local vehicle_id = vehicle_list.Begin(); vehicle_list.HasNext(); vehicle_id = vehicle_list.Next()) { 10:25:44 <Samu> i see the HasNext 10:27:35 <Samu> if(AIVehicle.IsValidVehicle(vehicle_id)) if(AIAI.sellVehicle(vehicle_id, "unprofitable")) counter++; 10:27:49 <Samu> the vehicle is valid, then he tries AIAI.sellVehicle 10:28:04 <Samu> but suddenly it's invalid 10:28:11 <Samu> strange 10:32:18 <Wolf01> There's a nice problem with looping through a list which is changing, the implementation is really wrong 10:33:46 <Wolf01> I usually put indexes in another list and then remove the items from the first list looping the indexes list 10:34:41 <Alberth> hmm, indexes tend to change when you change a list :p 10:34:53 <Wolf01> Start from the end 10:34:55 <Alberth> I tend to make a new list with elements I want to keep 10:35:12 <Alberth> and replace the old list by the new one 10:35:56 <Wolf01> Good implementation, but if you have references to object usually is a problem 10:36:26 <Wolf01> Btw, isn't there a foreach construct? It should automatically handle the removing of items 10:37:08 <Wolf01> (not every language does, but it has few problems than a plain for) 10:37:22 <Samu> function AIAI::sellVehicle(vehicle_id, why) { bla; bla; AIVehicle.SetName(vehicle_id, "for sell " + why); bla; } 10:37:31 <Samu> when it sets the name the vehicle_id is invalid 10:40:02 <Samu> i don't understand this file 10:40:06 <Samu> myAPIpatch.nut 10:40:41 <Samu> AIVehicle.SetName_ <- AIVehicle.SetName AIVehicle.SetName <- function (vehicle_id, string) { if(!AIVehicle.IsValidVehicle(vehicle_id)) { abort("Invalid vehicle " + vehicle_id); } 10:41:20 <Samu> and then AIAI aborts with a crash 10:42:46 <Alberth> there is a foreach-like construct, don't know if it handles removal too 10:43:59 <Alberth> Samu: it suggests the vehicle doesn't exist at the time of the call, maybe it already sold it? 10:45:16 <Samu> that's what I think too 10:45:28 <Samu> i disabled airplanes crashes 10:45:47 <Samu> only AI can sell it, not any external event 10:46:00 <Alberth> Wolf01: references to an object are not a problem, the object is not placed inside the list, the list has only a reference, so copying it over to another list does not move the object 10:46:53 <Alberth> just like Java and Python (and presumably C#) 10:46:54 <Samu> vehicle_id doesn't match the aircraft number 10:47:07 <Alberth> they don't indeed 10:47:09 <Samu> it's some internal number 10:47:23 <Samu> he had 800 aircraft if i remember 10:48:48 <Alberth> so check that after selling a vehicle, its id is really not in the list any more 10:49:04 <Alberth> if it is, the list update done during selling is broken 10:49:09 *** juzza1 [~juzza1@0001bead.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:49:38 <Wolf01> Alberth, I did that with my old render list, to remove the objects which were already rendered, I lost the reference of the entire list, not the objects inside the list 10:51:10 <Alberth> ieks :) 10:51:52 <Alberth> some protection against in-place modification I guess 10:53:14 <Alberth> a bad case of "we don't care what you do, but you're not going to crash our VM" :p 10:53:45 <Wolf01> listA.foreach(i => { if (i.rendered == false) listB.add(i); }); listA = listB; threw "wtf are you doing exception" 10:54:08 <Samu> what is <- doing? 10:54:20 <Alberth> new a new entry 10:54:38 <Samu> AIVehicleList.HasNext <- function() { return !this.IsEnd(); //I have better things to do than changing HasNext to IsEnd all over my code because OpenTTD devs //suddenly decided that former one is somehow better (IMHO it is worse due to more complex contruction - it requires !) } 10:55:02 <Alberth> lol :p 10:55:24 <Samu> does it change AIVehicleList.HasNext to AIVehicleList.!IsEnd() 10:55:45 <Alberth> It adds a "HasNext" function, that does "!this.IsEnd()" 10:56:12 <Samu> ah 10:57:10 <Alberth> but my guess is that the old HasNext is not the same as !this.IsEnd() 10:57:28 <Alberth> perhaps almost the same, but not exactly 10:58:52 <Alberth> it may not make a difference in this case though 11:01:41 <Samu> how does that vehicle_id counter works? 11:02:21 <Samu> nevermind 11:03:09 <Samu> local vehicle_id 11:03:16 <Samu> local? 11:03:38 *** Amix [~Amix2@239.65.45.31.customer.cdi.no] has joined #openttd 11:03:54 <Samu> must find the way it builds the list 11:06:04 <Alberth> bbl 11:06:08 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 11:08:28 <Samu> for (local vehicle_id = vehicle_list.Begin(); vehicle_list.HasNext(); vehicle_id = vehicle_list.Next()) 11:09:09 <Samu> for (local vehicle_id = vehicle_list.Begin(); vehicle_list.!this.IsEnd(); vehicle_id = vehicle_list.Next()) 11:09:51 <Samu> grr what's in the list 11:09:58 <Samu> how do i debug an ai? 11:10:06 <Samu> with visual studio 11:15:10 *** Amix [~Amix2@239.65.45.31.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 11:22:15 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po1-84-91-250-188.netvisao.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:25:24 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po1-84-91-250-188.netvisao.pt] has joined #openttd 11:58:38 *** gelignite [~gelignite@x4db5d2ae.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #openttd 12:04:12 *** Amix [~Amix2@239.65.45.31.customer.cdi.no] has joined #openttd 12:04:58 *** Amix [~Amix2@239.65.45.31.customer.cdi.no] has quit [] 12:11:15 <idl0r> is it planned to make newgrf/32bit graphics default one day? 12:30:31 <MonkeyDrone> idl0r: i doubt it. There is no 'official' 32bpp graphics for the game yet. 12:34:09 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@108-221-157-231.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 13:04:19 *** MonkeyDrone [~MonkeyDro@107.ip-91-134-138.eu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:04:39 *** MonkeyDrone [~MonkeyDro@107.ip-91-134-138.eu] has joined #openttd 13:04:58 *** skrzyp [skrzyp@skrzyp.me] has left #openttd [WeeChat 1.4] 13:19:48 *** Arveen [~Arveen@ip-176-199-6-90.hsi06.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #openttd 13:23:30 *** supermop [~supermop@pool-100-37-117-73.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 13:29:48 *** CompuDesktop [~Compu@cpe-67-255-36-150.stny.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:32:11 *** CompuDesktop [~Compu@cpe-67-255-36-150.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 13:36:11 *** ConductingCat [~Conductor@209.159.178.61] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:36:49 *** CompuDesktop [~Compu@cpe-67-255-36-150.stny.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:37:11 *** CompuDesktop [~Compu@cpe-67-255-36-150.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 13:39:50 *** CompuDesktop [~Compu@cpe-67-255-36-150.stny.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:40:11 *** CompuDesktop [~Compu@cpe-67-255-36-150.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 13:46:32 <Samu> syntrans has trouble managing airport capacity, there's too many aircraft waiting in depots and flying around the airports 13:46:51 <Samu> profits are diminishing, let's see if he can survive 13:48:17 *** Compu [~Compu@cpe-67-255-36-150.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 13:49:29 <Samu> 1400 out of 2800 are profiting 13:49:36 <Samu> that's a ~50% profit ratio 13:49:47 <Samu> quite bad in comparison with the other ais 13:50:06 *** Arveen [~Arveen@ip-176-199-6-90.hsi06.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 13:52:49 *** CompuDesktop [~Compu@cpe-67-255-36-150.stny.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:54:28 *** CompuDesktop [~Compu@cpe-67-255-36-150.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 13:56:08 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 13:56:11 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 13:56:49 *** Compu [~Compu@cpe-67-255-36-150.stny.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:57:28 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-1-81-57-54-15.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:59:47 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 13:59:50 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 14:01:23 *** Compu [~Compu@cpe-67-255-36-150.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 14:02:11 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@108-221-157-231.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:02:46 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:03:50 *** CompuDesktop [~Compu@cpe-67-255-36-150.stny.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:04:59 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-1-81-57-54-15.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: keoz] 14:05:34 *** NoShlomo [~NoShlomo@90.74.151.136] has joined #openttd 14:09:51 *** Compu [~Compu@cpe-67-255-36-150.stny.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:31:36 *** CactiChad_ [~CactiChad@ppp14-2-47-10.lns21.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 14:35:36 <Wolf01> Back to work, I should try to understand why the station buttons don't work as intended 14:36:45 *** CactiChad__ [~CactiChad@ppp14-2-13-58.lns21.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 14:37:06 *** CactiChad [~CactiChad@ppp118-210-170-72.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:37:31 <Wolf01> But even before that, why it disables the tunnel button and makes the bridge building the tunnel o_O 14:37:59 *** CactiChad [~CactiChad@ppp14-2-86-22.lns21.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 14:38:24 <ST2> you can call it an easter egg feature ;) 14:43:16 <Wolf01> Who is in charge for the gui? 14:43:31 *** CactiChad_ [~CactiChad@ppp14-2-47-10.lns21.adl2.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:43:43 <Wolf01> This stuff changed a lot since transparency toolbar 14:45:00 *** CactiChad__ [~CactiChad@ppp14-2-13-58.lns21.adl2.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:45:09 <Alberth> toolbar is quite magic iirc :) 14:45:30 <Alberth> I didn't convert it, I think 14:45:52 *** Compu [~Compu@cpe-67-255-36-150.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 15:00:56 <Wolf01> Also, what are the right steps to add new source files to the project? 15:04:55 *** Macha [~Macha@89.100.194.189] has joined #openttd 15:05:55 <frosch123> add to source.list 15:06:04 <frosch123> run projects/generate 15:11:22 <Wolf01> Ok, it seem to work now 15:11:29 <Wolf01> Thx frosch123 15:33:01 *** CompuDesktop [~Compu@cpe-67-255-36-150.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 15:33:01 *** Compu [~Compu@cpe-67-255-36-150.stny.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:37:29 <Wolf01> Since I'm tired to define every time the includes and libraries each time I regenerate the projects, where could I set them? It suggests a user project file, which is there, but I don't really know how to edit it 15:40:14 <Wolf01> Meh... The .user file is a legacy feature and we recommend that you delete it in order to keep properties properly grouped according to configuration/platform. 15:40:33 <Wolf01> Why does it suggest to use it then? 15:44:10 <Alberth> the legacy explanation does not point what to do instead? 15:44:34 <Wolf01> Yes, the project directories to keep all in one place 15:44:43 <Wolf01> https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/669zx6zc.aspx 15:45:06 <Alberth> silly system to assume it can decide your project layout :p 15:46:00 <andythenorth> so for light rail toolbar icon, I thought maybe tracks, on a grey background? 15:46:06 <Wolf01> I should put the OTTD_essentials in the VC directories 15:46:34 <Wolf01> A double set of tracks? 15:47:06 <Wolf01> Btw, the environment variable will get overwritten by VC, so it's no use 15:47:23 <Wolf01> I could add new ones, but still the same problem 15:47:50 <andythenorth> double tracks is good point 15:48:34 * andythenorth had better look how openttd.grf is made 15:49:48 <Wolf01> VS uses these 2 variables: VC_IncludePath and VC_LibraryPath_x86 15:52:25 <andythenorth> are the libpng color profile warnings always there for openttd.grf? 15:52:29 <andythenorth> or did I just cause them? 15:53:39 *** umgeher [~umgeher@177.9.162.194] has quit [Quit: afk] 15:55:44 *** umgeher [~umgeher@177.9.162.194] has joined #openttd 15:57:21 <andythenorth> so the numbers in openttdgui.png arenât the sprite number 15:57:27 <andythenorth> lawks 15:58:39 * andythenorth counts, using fingers 16:00:49 <Wolf01> Do you have enough of them? 16:01:13 <Wolf01> Ok, I fixed the toolbar 16:01:21 <Wolf01> Now the station orientation picker 16:01:31 <Wolf01> Then, commit 16:02:05 <frosch123> andythenorth: OPENTTD_SPRITE_COUNT <- that is all you need to know 16:02:19 <frosch123> static const SpriteID SPR_IMG_CARGOFLOW = SPR_OPENTTD_BASE + 174; <- just add new sprites after that 16:02:26 <andythenorth> yeah I found that :) 16:02:29 <andythenorth> the nfo was fine 16:02:45 <andythenorth> also 16:03:04 <andythenorth> but cargo flow is image 177 on the spritesheet 16:03:16 <andythenorth> I know why they donât match, was just confusing for a moment 16:05:24 *** Compu [~Compu@cpe-67-255-36-150.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 16:06:24 <andythenorth> boom 16:06:33 * andythenorth is now an openttd programmer :P 16:07:15 <Samu> cg 16:08:33 <frosch123> a devlolper? 16:09:01 *** CompuDesktop [~Compu@cpe-67-255-36-150.stny.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:09:08 <andythenorth> devloloper yes 16:09:15 <andythenorth> also canât count :P 16:09:25 <andythenorth> been obiwan both sides of the sprite I want 16:12:27 *** umgeher [~umgeher@177.9.162.194] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:12:37 <Alberth> as devloploper, you shouldn't count yourself, you tell your computer to do that instead 16:13:10 <andythenorth> I am trying 16:13:16 <andythenorth> but I have to tell it what number to count to :P 16:13:36 <Alberth> good point :p 16:13:36 <Wolf01> C:\Program Files (x86)\Windows Kits.1\Include\shared\fttypes.h(38): error C4430: missing type specifier - int assumed. Note: C++ does not support default-int (compiling source file ..\src\crashlog.cpp) 16:13:41 <Wolf01> suddenly... 16:14:36 <Wolf01> Changed an enum value and recompiled, 40000 errors 16:14:45 <Wolf01> Not even related to OTTD 16:15:19 *** Gja [~Martin@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has joined #openttd 16:15:33 <Alberth> so likely, it fails to understand your new enum :p 16:15:45 <frosch123> Wolf01: missing semicolon? 16:15:57 <frosch123> anyway, the error is about some function not having a return type 16:15:58 <Alberth> and then runs off into nowhere 16:16:01 <Wolf01> Maybe, but no errors in the ide 16:16:03 <frosch123> as in "void" missing or something 16:16:46 <Alberth> likely, the IDE uses the same misguided compiler diagnostics :p 16:16:52 <frosch123> well, before ansi-c from 89, there was this silly thing called "c", where everything was int 16:17:02 <andythenorth> hmm, canât get my sprite to show anything except transparent 16:17:07 * andythenorth investigates 16:18:01 <andythenorth> fixed 16:18:03 <Wolf01> https://paste.openttdcoop.org/pdeggh8gy 16:18:03 <andythenorth> maybe 16:22:13 <frosch123> well, if c++ was a less ambiguous language, the compiler would be able to give a better error 16:22:18 *** kragniz [~kragniz@nyaa.kragniz.eu] has joined #openttd 16:22:28 <frosch123> your best choice is to look for unbalanced { } and ; 16:23:39 <Wolf01> I did not touch anything on the sources 16:23:48 <Wolf01> It compiled before the last change 16:24:07 <Wolf01> I only added " = 6" to an enum value 16:24:22 <Wolf01> Between the name and the comma 16:25:07 *** umgeher [~umgeher@177.9.162.194] has joined #openttd 16:32:27 <Wolf01> Ok, shit happened on freetype 16:33:15 <Samu> i hate azmodan 16:33:31 *** Compu [~Compu@cpe-67-255-36-150.stny.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:33:46 <Samu> i hate it when i can't run away from heroes without diyng 16:33:50 <Samu> it's stupid 16:33:56 <Samu> heroes that attack while moving 16:34:09 <Samu> stupid design, but whatever... nobody cares here 16:35:09 *** kragniz [~kragniz@nyaa.kragniz.eu] has left #openttd [WeeChat 1.5] 16:36:14 <andythenorth> first attempt at light rail icon http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/7972/light_rail_toolbar_icon_1.png 16:36:17 <andythenorth> bit too heavy 16:36:49 <Wolf01> Remove the sleepers? 16:36:57 <andythenorth> yup 16:39:32 *** Compu [~Compu@cpe-67-255-36-150.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 16:40:27 <andythenorth> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/7973/light_rail_toolbar_icon_2.png 16:41:07 <andythenorth> probably too contrasty 16:41:46 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:41:49 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 16:41:56 <Wolf01> Put a wider road under it 16:42:12 <V453000> wtf is that :D 16:42:13 <V453000> andythenorth: ? 16:42:15 <andythenorth> has to be 16px to match other toolbar sprites 16:42:46 <Alberth> pixelz! 16:42:48 <V453000> is that some secret tram gui button or ? 16:43:16 <andythenorth> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/7974/light_rail_toolbar_icon_3.png 16:43:22 <andythenorth> not better 16:43:53 <andythenorth> itâs over-lit imho 16:44:45 <Alberth> normal rail compensates with the dark wood 16:45:04 <Alberth> add dark road? 16:57:40 <frosch123> you can see two things in that icon 16:57:48 <frosch123> either it is two tracks next to each other 16:58:00 <frosch123> or it is one track "sunken" into the road 16:58:21 <frosch123> but for the latter the the spacing does not quite work 16:58:29 *** Compu [~Compu@cpe-67-255-36-150.stny.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 16:58:41 <Samu> i hate gul'dan 16:58:44 *** Compu [~Compu@cpe-67-255-36-150.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 16:58:48 <Samu> his damage is retarded 16:58:54 <Samu> even chen can't tank it 16:59:08 <andythenorth> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/7975/light_rail_toolbar_icon_4.png 16:59:24 <frosch123> http://previews.123rf.com/images/kevers50/kevers501210/kevers50121000048/15645695-Tram-Track-on-Cobbled-Street-Stock-Photo.jpg <- the track for trams looks different than for trains 16:59:48 <andythenorth> of the four so far, which is the best? 17:00:05 <andythenorth> V453000 also? ^ 17:00:39 <frosch123> to me all of them look like one track instead of two 17:01:04 <Samu> oh, adding a 5th vehicle type? cool :o 17:01:04 <andythenorth> yes, I can see that too 17:01:32 <frosch123> i am not sure, whether to avoid or embrace that :) 17:01:57 <andythenorth> my first idea was to show one set of rails only 17:02:02 <andythenorth> at the size of train tracks 17:02:17 <andythenorth> but thatâs not what you actually build 17:03:08 <Wolf01> If you draw narrow tracks? 17:05:43 <andythenorth> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/7976/light_rail_toolbar_5.png 17:05:45 <frosch123> https://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/light_rail_toolbar_icon_2f.png <- modified 2 17:06:32 <Wolf01> The 5 is nice, but I'm not a fan of such rounded angles 17:06:45 <andythenorth> itâs too train-like, Iâll adjust 17:06:50 <andythenorth> frosch123: that kind of works also 17:07:14 <andythenorth> so itâs 5 (single track) or 2f (two narrow tracks) 17:07:15 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@46.239.220.130] has joined #openttd 17:07:32 <frosch123> try 5 with the road-icon outline 17:07:36 <Wolf01> 5 with narrow tracks and more squared? 17:09:40 <andythenorth> yup 17:10:46 <andythenorth> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/7977/light_rail_toolbar_icon_6.png 17:11:06 *** Compu [~Compu@cpe-67-255-36-150.stny.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:11:07 <andythenorth> probably the road is a bit dark 17:12:22 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think it works well with only one track 17:12:44 <andythenorth> I am thinking same 17:12:56 <andythenorth> itâs visually stronger, but I am going to try modifying 2f 17:13:13 <frosch123> i prefer 1 track 17:13:15 <andythenorth> but with 2 small tracks, it still looks like one track :P 17:15:53 *** CactiChad_ [~CactiChad@ppp14-2-58-244.lns21.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 17:22:10 *** CactiChad [~CactiChad@ppp14-2-86-22.lns21.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:22:13 *** CactiChad_ is now known as CactiChad 17:25:09 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@46.239.220.130] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:25:42 <andythenorth> closer http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/7978/light_rail_toolbar_icon_7.png 17:25:50 <andythenorth> was too lit before 17:25:56 <andythenorth> road icon is not very lit 17:28:26 <andythenorth> urgh 17:28:43 <andythenorth> are the contents of bin/ and media/ supposed to be under vcs or not? 17:28:52 * andythenorth might need to edit .gitignore 17:29:11 *** Compu [~Compu@cpe-67-255-36-150.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 17:29:19 <Eddi|zuHause> some of them 17:29:37 <andythenorth> the gitignore for this isâŠ.detailed 17:29:41 <Eddi|zuHause> basically, everything that is not created by make should be in the repo 17:29:49 <Samu> i think i found a bug in "Detailed performance rating" window. The amount of money in the bank says £2,147 M, but NoNoCAB already has £3,2 M 17:30:08 <andythenorth> https://paste.openttdcoop.org/p8ebropyo 17:30:13 <andythenorth> ^ legit to commit, or not ? 17:30:18 <frosch123> there is an "official" .gitignore in ottd svn 17:30:20 <frosch123> does that not work? 17:30:32 <andythenorth> dunno 17:30:37 <andythenorth> thatâs what weâre figuring out :) 17:30:49 <andythenorth> I have it 17:33:51 <Samu> flyspray doesn't let me select 1.6.1 17:33:54 <Samu> only 1.6.1-rc1 17:35:33 *** CompuDesktop [~Compu@cpe-67-255-36-150.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 17:36:16 <Samu> bug reported 17:36:16 <Samu> https://bugs.openttd.org/task/6498 17:37:31 <V453000> omg the trains are getting cuter every minute 17:38:31 <Wolf01> Regenerating the projects worked O_O 17:39:09 *** Compu [~Compu@cpe-67-255-36-150.stny.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:41:42 *** CactiChad_ [~CactiChad@ppp14-2-67-114.lns21.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 17:43:01 *** CactiChad__ [~CactiChad@ppp14-2-123-127.lns21.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 17:45:30 *** CactiChad [~CactiChad@ppp14-2-58-244.lns21.adl2.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:45:32 *** CactiChad__ is now known as CactiChad 17:45:44 <andythenorth> Wolf01: I pushed the icon to the dev branch 17:46:03 <andythenorth> I will improve it more in future, need to see it in game for a while 17:46:05 <Wolf01> The #7? 17:47:16 <Wolf01> Btw, you could have made it large as the rail one 17:47:34 <andythenorth> itâs same dimensions 17:47:40 <Wolf01> No, it's not 17:47:45 <andythenorth> oh :( 17:47:52 <Wolf01> Rail one is 4px larger 17:47:58 <Wolf01> Also, diner 17:49:54 *** CactiChad_ [~CactiChad@ppp14-2-67-114.lns21.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:50:09 *** CompuDesktop [~Compu@cpe-67-255-36-150.stny.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:51:48 *** CactiChad_ [~CactiChad@ppp14-2-93-94.lns21.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 17:55:07 *** smoke_fumus [~smoke_fum@188.35.176.90] has joined #openttd 17:58:04 *** CactiChad [~CactiChad@ppp14-2-123-127.lns21.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:58:08 *** CactiChad_ is now known as CactiChad 17:59:27 *** Arveen [~Arveen@ip-176-199-6-90.hsi06.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #openttd 18:05:20 *** Compu [~Compu@cpe-67-255-36-150.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 18:09:49 <Wolf01> Sister's diner is the best one :D 18:10:03 <Wolf01> At least she cooks japanese food 18:10:47 <Wolf01> (or the best imitation we can achieve with our ingredients) 18:11:08 <Wolf01> Now, back on the station picker :| 18:13:26 *** Compu [~Compu@cpe-67-255-36-150.stny.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:13:32 *** alask0ud [~theSuperd@181.169.232.64] has joined #openttd 18:13:36 *** Compu [~Compu@cpe-67-255-36-150.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 18:13:53 <Wolf01> The widgets seem to work right, but the command is wrong, maybe it's trying to build road bays instead of drive-throught stops 18:15:41 *** Taylor- [~Tricia@2600:8800:1287:400:50a0:4633:1be8:57d3] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:22:10 *** Compu [~Compu@cpe-67-255-36-150.stny.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:25:37 *** Compu [~Compu@cpe-67-255-36-150.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 18:31:34 *** CactiChad_ [~CactiChad@ppp14-2-123-144.lns21.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 18:34:53 <Wolf01> I really don't understand how widgets are used in the gui, there's an enum with the widgets and seem to be used for the positions, but then the widget tree introduces some panels and the position are all changed 18:35:37 <Wolf01> So, if I want to lower a widget, how can I get the right widget index? 18:37:41 *** Compu [~Compu@cpe-67-255-36-150.stny.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:37:51 *** CactiChad [~CactiChad@ppp14-2-93-94.lns21.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:37:54 *** CactiChad_ is now known as CactiChad 18:39:02 <Alberth> enum only lists the widgets that exist, the tree decides positions etc 18:40:05 <Wolf01> this->LowerWidget(_road_station_picker_orientation + WID_BLRS_STATION_X); so taking this as example, I don't really know where the WID_BLRS_STATION_X is placed 18:41:23 <Alberth> you don't need to 18:41:35 <Wolf01> I think I could safely remove the orientation var, as the trams only have it set as DIAGDIR_END 18:41:40 <Alberth> there is a WID_BLRS_STATION_X and a WID_BLRS_STATION_Y after it 18:42:02 <Alberth> the _road_station_picker_orientation is 0/1, so it selects one of the widgets 18:42:18 <Wolf01> It's always 4 18:42:44 <Alberth> just just provide the numeric value in the widget enum 18:43:01 <Alberth> tree handles position and dirtying etc 18:43:10 <Wolf01> At least at the gui initialization it is, the original check was if (_cur_roadtype == ROADTYPE_TRAM && _road_station_picker_orientation < DIAGDIR_END) { 18:43:45 *** CactiChad_ [~CactiChad@ppp118-210-128-223.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 18:43:54 <Alberth> condition for lowering? 18:44:45 <Wolf01> That was used to reset the orientation on opening the tram station gui 18:45:10 <Wolf01> Because the road could have another orientation, but on tram stations those are disabled 18:45:34 <andythenorth> +1 to removing the redundant tram stops 18:45:40 <andythenorth> canât build drive-in 18:45:54 <Wolf01> Already removed, that's why it gives me headache 18:46:33 <andythenorth> ha :) 18:46:45 <andythenorth> also the rail icon *is* bigger :( 18:46:49 * andythenorth counted wrong 18:47:14 <Wolf01> _road_station_picker_orientation = (DiagDirection)(widget - WID_BLRS_STATION_X); <- then it does this when changing the orientation, but the initialization was wrong 18:47:34 <Wolf01> It should be initialized to 0 and not DIAGDIR_END 18:48:20 <Wolf01> So, DIAGDIR_BEGIN 18:49:23 <Wolf01> The problem is that it gets confusing, as "1" is DIAGDIR_SE (even "0" is DIAGDIR_NE) 18:49:46 *** CactiChad [~CactiChad@ppp14-2-123-144.lns21.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:49:54 *** CactiChad_ is now known as CactiChad 18:50:19 <Wolf01> This mean that DIAGDIR is not the right enum to use in this case 18:50:19 <Alberth> src/widgets/road_widget.h is the list widgets 18:50:49 <Alberth> WID_BROS_STATION_NE + 4 == WID_BROS_STATION_X 18:51:43 <Wolf01> I should use Axis in this case 18:51:58 <Alberth> yeah, it's not nice this way :) 18:52:49 *** FLHerne [~flh@cpc4-papw5-2-0-cust175.5-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 18:54:30 <Wolf01> Yeah, Axis works 18:56:15 <Wolf01> And now the command... 18:58:21 <Alberth> you have a widget for x axis and y axis and one must be lowered? 18:58:32 <Wolf01> Yeah, resolved that 18:59:12 <andythenorth> Wolf01: pushed a new icon 18:59:15 <andythenorth> minor tweaks 18:59:47 *** CactiChad_ [~CactiChad@ppp14-2-62-118.lns21.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 19:00:32 <Alberth> this->SetWidgetLowered(X_AXIS_WIDGET, direction == X_AXIS); or so 19:00:59 *** Wormnest [~Wormnest@s5596abd2.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 19:01:02 <Alberth> this->SetWidgetLoweredState(X_AXIS_WIDGET, direction == X_AXIS); 19:01:19 <Wolf01> Oh, I just changed the enum from DiagDir to Axis and it worked with no changes at all 19:01:39 <Alberth> ok :p 19:01:53 <Wolf01> VpStartPlaceSizing(tile, VPM_X_AND_Y_LIMITED, DDSP_BUILD_BUSSTOP); then from where he gets that it's a drive-throught? 19:03:51 <Alberth> no idea :( 19:03:58 <Wolf01> Oh, found 19:04:02 <Wolf01> Maybe 19:04:06 <Alberth> perhaps in the callbak check? 19:05:07 <andythenorth> hmm tram icon bigger than road icon 19:05:12 <andythenorth> not sure thatâs working 19:05:36 <Wolf01> Make the road icon larger 19:06:01 *** CactiChad [~CactiChad@ppp118-210-128-223.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:06:08 *** CactiChad_ is now known as CactiChad 19:08:16 <Alberth> OnPlaceDrag is probably called when moving, so you can update rendering 19:08:40 <Alberth> OnPlaceMouseUp is placement, by the looks of it 19:09:25 <Wolf01> Right 19:11:04 <Wolf01> It always shows the error message CMD_MSG(_ltrail_type_info.err_build_station[ROADSTOP_BUS]) 19:12:38 <Wolf01> PlaceLtRailStop(start_tile, end_tile, (_ctrl_pressed << 5) | RoadTypeToRoadTypes(_cur_ltrailtype) << 2 | ROADSTOP_BUS, CMD_BUILD_ROAD_STOP | CMD_MSG(_ltrail_type_info.err_build_station[ROADSTOP_BUS])); 19:12:47 <Wolf01> This should be the command 19:13:14 <Wolf01> I was debugging inside the PlaceLtRailStop function and it looked everything ok 19:15:29 <Wolf01> Forcing the drive-through 19:15:45 <Wolf01> Ok, was tah 19:15:50 <Wolf01> *that 19:16:30 <andythenorth> Wolf01: I canât change the original TTD road icon :o :) 19:16:34 <andythenorth> that would be shocking 19:16:47 <Wolf01> Nobody will notice 19:16:49 <Wolf01> :D 19:22:18 <Wolf01> Ok, committed the fixes, I think you must regenerate the project files 19:23:58 <Wolf01> Mmmh, why was this file selected too? 19:24:18 <Wolf01> I committed something to trunk which I shouldn't have 19:24:33 <Wolf01> Maybe was one of the patching attempts 19:27:09 <andythenorth> just revert the commit 19:27:21 <andythenorth> or if itâs a file, just remove the file 19:27:53 <andythenorth> git reverts are pretty good 19:28:03 <andythenorth> although reverting a merge hasâŠside effects :P 19:28:41 <Wolf01> Not that it breaks anything, but I would like to not have it, it's the refactoring of the magic numbers 19:29:32 <Wolf01> Do devs see what are we doing here? 19:30:22 <andythenorth> they can see commit history 19:30:57 <andythenorth> if the history is complicated, I would just reverse patch out the changes (get the diff, and reverse it) 19:31:12 <andythenorth> if the history is simple, git revert the commit where it came in, adjust the commit, and push again 19:31:30 <Wolf01> Yes reverted many changes on my repositories :P 19:32:16 <Wolf01> Ok, this time I tried even with hotkeys, it *should* work 19:33:07 <Wolf01> The icons of the stations are still wrong, but one thing at time 19:35:58 <Wolf01> The only thing I found about drawing the station picker is where is not drawing the widgets 19:36:09 <Wolf01> if (!IsInsideMM(widget, WID_BLRS_STATION_X, WID_BLRS_STATION_Y + 1)) return; 19:36:22 *** Arveen [~Arveen@ip-176-199-6-90.hsi06.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 19:36:54 <Wolf01> Then there's station coverage and supply/accepts 19:37:10 <Wolf01> And the icons? 19:37:48 * andythenorth trying to pull request with github 19:40:33 * andythenorth having hate for github 19:41:39 <Wolf01> http://i.imgur.com/67obsyg.png 19:41:47 <Wolf01> Nice composition 19:43:51 <andythenorth> ha ha 19:44:05 <andythenorth> I have some stuff like that from messing with catenary drawing 19:45:27 <Wolf01> Eh, if only I could find the drawing code, I bet it's in some other source file 19:45:34 <andythenorth> merged wolf repo gui to andy repo dev branch 19:45:40 <andythenorth> road_cmd probably 19:45:58 <andythenorth> I spend most of my ottd code time in some _cmd file 19:46:18 <andythenorth> â8â no longer asserts :D 19:46:32 <andythenorth> I need to redraw âbuild tunnelâ icon 19:46:42 <andythenorth> also build road stop icons 19:46:56 <andythenorth> also depot icon 19:47:05 <Wolf01> Yes, now it's time to effectively split the RoadType, so I'll spend the rest of my life there too 19:49:13 *** Macha [~Macha@89.100.194.189] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:49:35 <andythenorth> something not right with hotkey 19:49:37 * andythenorth investigates 19:50:02 <andythenorth> do we need âautoltrailâ? 19:50:24 <Wolf01> It's a new section, should start with [ltrail] 19:50:38 <andythenorth> ltrailtoolbar 19:50:40 <Wolf01> Just assign "A" to that too 19:50:55 <andythenorth> I have a GLOBAL+CTRL+A 19:51:05 <andythenorth> but itâs opening autoroad 19:51:57 <Wolf01> For me it always opens the rail toolbar 19:52:17 <Wolf01> Also, the hotkeys keys are all wrong 19:52:54 <Wolf01> Ok, now they aren't, removing them from the cfg regenerated the names 19:54:00 <Wolf01> Ouch, I forgot to change "goods_station" to "freight_station" 19:54:25 *** miksa [~user@181.169.232.64] has joined #openttd 19:54:40 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 19:55:12 <andythenorth> build_ltrail works fine 19:55:20 <andythenorth> does autoroad hotkey need splitting? 19:55:40 <Wolf01> I think not 19:55:53 <Wolf01> It's in its own section 19:56:35 <andythenorth> hmm 19:57:28 * andythenorth must make dinner :) 19:58:18 <Wolf01> If you set global+a to all the 3, it seem to work right, but it always opens the road toolbar if no toolbar is open 19:59:05 <Wolf01> But I think I'm done for this evening 19:59:18 <andythenorth> me too :) 19:59:54 <andythenorth> Wolf01: I am away from computer for a couple of weeks soon 20:00:00 <andythenorth> FYI 20:00:13 <V453000> :d 20:00:28 <V453000> btw /me is making rather detailed models of trains :> 20:00:31 <V453000> BRIX livz 20:00:40 <andythenorth> pictures 20:01:27 <V453000> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20419525/BRIX/Trains-02.png 20:01:37 <V453000> colours are all messed up, working on meshes atm 20:01:54 <V453000> basically just the connecting part is good, anad the windows 20:01:56 <V453000> lights are ass 20:01:59 <V453000> ish 20:01:59 <andythenorth> colours schmolors 20:02:06 <andythenorth> lights are badass 20:02:14 <andythenorth> super bright 20:02:17 <V453000> yeah but need something extra 20:02:20 <V453000> that too 20:02:24 <andythenorth> coupling is absolutely awesome 20:02:35 <V453000> <# 20:02:38 <V453000> <3 20:02:42 <andythenorth> you donât need buffers with knuckle coupler :P 20:02:44 <andythenorth> itâs great 20:02:47 <V453000> it took me every evening since we last talked. :D 20:03:08 <V453000> the buffers are there basically for details at the bottom 20:03:17 <V453000> had no clue about that though XD makes sense however. 20:03:26 <V453000> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20419525/BRIX/train-coupling.png 20:03:27 <V453000> =D 20:03:36 <andythenorth> wow 20:03:40 <andythenorth> full Janney coupler detail :P 20:04:02 *** alask0ud [~theSuperd@181.169.232.64] has left #openttd [] 20:04:03 <V453000> it probably wouldn't work as some of the proportions are blown out to be nice 20:04:05 <V453000> but yeah 20:04:07 <V453000> was fun to model 20:04:54 <andythenorth> reminds me of https://hattonsimages.blob.core.windows.net/products/371-022_1033154_Qty1_2.jpg 20:05:15 <V453000> one of the pain is how far inside the wheels are 20:05:18 <andythenorth> RL that train is about size of your thumb, if you have big thumb 20:05:20 <V453000> to fit rails 20:05:21 <andythenorth> wheels look fine 20:05:23 <V453000> haha 20:05:37 <V453000> yeah I am working around them 20:05:48 <V453000> I have some nice ideas for the top electric part 20:05:52 <V453000> and a bit more details at the bottom 20:07:07 <andythenorth> current pantograph is bad 20:07:22 <andythenorth> I wonât be rude about it, but looks non-functioning :) 20:07:56 <V453000> yeah it's actually one of the biggest issues of the whole model since the start tbh 20:08:03 <Wolf01> <andythenorth> Wolf01: I am away from computer for a couple of weeks soon <- good holidays then :P 20:08:04 *** miksa [~user@181.169.232.64] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 20:08:22 <andythenorth> Wolf01: spent most of today tidying the house of fricking lego 20:08:23 <andythenorth> :) 20:08:34 <V453000> what do you find disfunctional about it? my primary concerns are no mechanical parts like joints and some way of making it actually stick to the locomotive 20:08:43 <andythenorth> yeah, looks like a single moulded part 20:09:00 <Wolf01> A friend went to legoland (billund) for the second time in 3 months 20:09:12 <andythenorth> is it that good? :o 20:09:13 *** Compu [~Compu@cpe-67-255-36-150.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 20:09:13 <V453000> yep, then we see it the same way 20:09:21 <V453000> which is good cause that is getting fixed af 20:11:08 <andythenorth> V453000 https://cairnsroadworks.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/2011-03-16-at-17-41-16.jpg 20:11:19 <V453000> yus 20:11:42 <V453000> totally saving that 20:12:15 <V453000> also I am not ashamed of admitting in this channel that I find this romantic http://www.thehrintrovert.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Train-Coupling.jpg 20:12:27 <V453000> didn't say that to my wife though 20:14:54 <andythenorth> V453000: thatâs touching :P 20:14:56 <Wolf01> I always found interesting that the train coupling is maybe one of the oldest standards, and it is working with slight changes for 140 years 20:16:08 <andythenorth> we will probably find same with TCP/IP 20:16:28 <Wolf01> I hope so 20:18:22 *** CompuDesktop [~Compu@cpe-67-255-36-150.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 20:21:25 *** Compu [~Compu@cpe-67-255-36-150.stny.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:26:28 <_dp_> Has anyone already suggested allowing towns to build houses on road turns(in corner)? 20:31:43 <Eddi|zuHause> Wolf01: but for about 100 years, the european railways discussed about changing the hook&buffers train coupling into something more like the american/russian center coupling 20:32:22 <Eddi|zuHause> and they never managed to switch over 20:32:32 <Wolf01> Yes, there are many coupling systems, but the most used worldwide is the Janney 20:33:31 <Eddi|zuHause> the russians had plans to switch eastern europe over separately, but they never pulled through on that 20:33:54 <Eddi|zuHause> lots of eastern rolling stock was prepared for that switch 20:37:16 <andythenorth> UK has maybe 4 or so coupling systems 20:37:29 <andythenorth> foamers would know 20:38:34 <Eddi|zuHause> lots of EMUs nowadays come with coupling systems that are basically incompatible with anything that is not the same EMU type 20:39:05 <Eddi|zuHause> they have the added problem that they also have to transmit electric signals 20:39:29 <Eddi|zuHause> and these are by no means standardized 20:40:25 <andythenorth> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d9/GNER-91116-coupling-01.jpg 20:46:56 <supermop> yo 20:53:28 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@108-221-157-231.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 20:54:20 <frosch123> hmm, is there any official name to hourglass/zzz cursors? 20:54:31 <frosch123> like "busy" or something? 20:54:40 <frosch123> "background activity" is too long :p 20:55:28 <Eddi|zuHause> isn't "background activity" very wrong? you make a zzzz cursor for "foreground activity" 20:55:52 <Eddi|zuHause> to indicate that you can't actually do anything right now, thing is busy. 20:56:33 <frosch123> well, there is both :) 20:57:06 <Eddi|zuHause> i vaguely remember there being an "arrow with small hourglass" cursor for "background activity", meaning "you can do something, but it might be slower than usual" 21:03:50 *** mitef [~kntufbub@181.169.232.64] has joined #openttd 21:05:31 *** mitef [~kntufbub@181.169.232.64] has left #openttd [] 21:12:03 *** mitef [~kntufbub@181.169.232.64] has joined #openttd 21:12:35 <andythenorth> frosch123: MDN css docs https://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Web/CSS/cursor 21:12:38 <FLHerne> Eddi|zuHause: UK is gradually moving toward AAR couplers, a lot of coal/stone hoppers have only those now 21:12:52 <andythenorth> MS and Apple will have their own names for wait cursor 21:13:12 <andythenorth> on OS X itâs called âthat fucking spinning beachball' 21:13:27 <FLHerne> Of course, coaching stock mostly standardised on an incompatible, smaller and weaker version :P 21:13:41 <FLHerne> And MUs are just all over the place 21:13:58 <andythenorth> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spinning_pinwheel 21:14:08 <sim-al2> I think there's a move in mainland Europe towards a standard automatic freight coupler too 21:14:10 <Eddi|zuHause> FLHerne: in germany, this one is the most popular: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scharfenbergkupplung 21:14:31 <Eddi|zuHause> it originated in trams, but is being used for EMUs/DMUs a lot 21:14:48 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't know anything about freight 21:15:36 <Eddi|zuHause> but every vehicle which uses these non-standard couplings is required to provide an adapter to the standard hooks 21:15:57 <Eddi|zuHause> either carry it with the vehicle, or have it stored in a way that it can easily be brought on site 21:16:19 <FLHerne> Eddi|zuHause: We have similar couplers on many modern EMUs, but the electrical connections are all different and some of the heights are incompatible 21:16:23 <sim-al2> It's this one, like a Russian SA3 but with air connections: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/C-AKv-Kupplung 21:18:19 <sim-al2> Yeah, most of those multiple unit trains are incompatiable with each other, but at least one unit can tow another 21:18:26 <FLHerne> Some of the class 57 locomotives have Dellner couplers like this, plus a million electronics adaptors https://www.flickr.com/photos/47745602@N06/19695878271 21:18:33 <andythenorth> bye 21:18:34 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc87201-aztw31-2-0-cust156.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has left #openttd [] 21:19:04 <FLHerne> Originally they were only compatible with Pendolinos (cl390), but recently they've been improved quite a bit 21:21:36 <sim-al2> There's an old Japanese electric locomotive design that was used for banking up a very steep grade (6.67%), even the multiple units 21:22:32 <sim-al2> It had a special coupler and a whole bunch of MU connectors so it could operate in unison with the MU: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/87/Soutou.jpg 21:22:37 <sim-al2> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ja/b/bd/EF63jumper-coupler.JPG 21:31:09 *** mitef [~kntufbub@181.169.232.64] has left #openttd [] 21:39:23 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@89.136.141.100] has quit [] 21:40:54 *** Wormnest [~Wormnest@s5596abd2.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:40:55 *** frosch123 [~frosch@00013ce7.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 21:45:30 <Flygon_> Japan doesn't need transition couplers 21:45:36 <Flygon_> It IS the trasition coupler :U 21:45:38 *** Flygon_ is now known as Flygon 21:47:35 *** Hiddenfunstuff [~Geth@y32.ip1.anvianet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:49:11 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19EC0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:49:40 *** NoShlomo [~NoShlomo@90.74.151.136] has quit [Quit: NoShlomo] 21:59:47 *** mitef [~ssss@181.169.232.64] has joined #openttd 22:00:17 *** mitef [~ssss@181.169.232.64] has left #openttd [] 22:00:21 *** mitef [~ssss@181.169.232.64] has joined #openttd 22:16:39 *** ConductorCat [~Conductor@pool-108-56-3-129.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 22:58:34 *** FLHerne [~flh@cpc4-papw5-2-0-cust175.5-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: There's a real world out here!] 23:09:43 *** Gja [~Martin@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 23:16:47 <Samu> nocab managed to get 5000 aircraft, crazy 23:17:35 <Samu> the only thing he can't get to 5000 is trains 23:17:42 <Samu> t.t 23:26:10 <Wolf01> 'night 23:26:15 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.]