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Brit set curse strikes again 11:28:41 *** Bluelight [~chatzilla@90.149.204.114] has joined #openttd 11:31:25 <andythenorth_> Polydactal Cat is my preferred name, but hard to spell :p 11:31:28 <andythenorth_> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polydactyl_cat 11:33:27 *** Flygon_ is now known as Flygon 11:33:31 <Flygon> Pterodactyl_Cat 11:34:20 <Wolf01> They will tear you to pieces with so many claws 11:36:17 <andythenorth_> Is Ship Cat 11:36:33 * andythenorth_ choosing names 11:36:37 <andythenorth_> Is hard 11:39:37 *** andythenorth_ [~andytheno@155.red-81-43-101.staticip.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:41:18 <Wolf01> \o/ ETR300 back in service 12:11:48 *** andythenorth_ [~andytheno@213.205.198.60] has joined #openttd 12:19:46 *** andythenorth_ [~andytheno@213.205.198.60] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:27:16 <Eddi|zuHause> and what were they out of service for? 12:29:52 <Wolf01> They made their time, now the ones which are recoverable will be used as tourist luxury trains 12:30:48 *** andythenorth_ [~andytheno@155.red-81-43-101.staticip.rima-tde.net] has joined #openttd 12:31:32 <andythenorth_> V453000 can I call my ship set Able Seacat Simon? 12:32:28 *** Bluelight [~chatzilla@90.149.204.114] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 48.0/20160726073904]] 12:34:38 <Eddi|zuHause> have i ever complained that your "names" are several degrees too far removed? 12:35:02 <Wolf01> Call it catoblepa 12:36:39 <andythenorth_> Eddi maybe once 12:38:58 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 12:39:01 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 12:40:51 <andythenorth_> "Sinbad" 12:43:33 <andythenorth_> "Proteus" 12:43:53 * andythenorth_ lost in wikipedia again 12:45:15 *** andythen_ [~andytheno@213.205.198.60] has joined #openttd 12:45:22 <andythen_> Triton 12:45:26 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:46:42 *** andythenorth_ [~andytheno@155.red-81-43-101.staticip.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:47:08 <Wolf01> Are you sure you are on holiday? 12:52:12 <andythen_> I get bored doing nothing :p 12:53:09 <Wolf01> Next holiday you can come here 12:53:33 <Wolf01> It's even full of lego events on summer 12:55:45 *** andythen_ [~andytheno@213.205.198.60] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:07:17 *** andythenorth_ [~andytheno@155.red-81-43-101.staticip.rima-tde.net] has joined #openttd 13:12:56 *** andythenorth_ [~andytheno@155.red-81-43-101.staticip.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:36:10 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@108-221-157-231.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 13:42:00 *** ToBeFree [ToBeFree@00019d36.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 13:46:13 *** andythenorth_ [~andytheno@155.red-81-43-101.staticip.rima-tde.net] has joined #openttd 13:49:08 *** andythenorth_ [~andytheno@155.red-81-43-101.staticip.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:06:51 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 14:06:54 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 14:08:30 *** supermop_ [~supermop@static-71-249-209-97.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 14:10:33 *** Antheus [Antheus@janus.theender.net] has quit [Quit: Are you ready kids?] 14:13:10 *** supermop__ [~supermop@static-71-249-209-97.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 14:14:16 *** supermop [~supermop@static-71-249-209-97.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:16:15 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@108-221-157-231.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:19:39 *** supermop_ [~supermop@static-71-249-209-97.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:19:41 *** Antheus [Antheus@janus.theender.net] has joined #openttd 14:28:37 *** Arveen [~Arveen@ip-176-199-6-90.hsi06.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #openttd 14:30:51 *** nilez [~nilez@96.44.144.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:30:53 *** nilez [~nilez@96.44.145.154] has joined #openttd 14:46:51 *** Cursarion [xrs@adishbestservedworldly.xrs.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:49:52 *** Cursarion [xrs@adishbestservedworldly.xrs.fi] has joined #openttd 15:08:30 *** Mavy [quassel@2a00:1ca8:e:2::97e8:f6ec] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:11:20 *** Mavy [Mavy@2a00:1ca8:e:2::97e8:f6ec] has joined #openttd 15:17:56 *** Kurimus_ [~stabbity@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f816-197.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 15:23:25 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f816-197.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:23:33 *** supermop [~supermop@static-71-249-209-97.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 15:30:04 *** supermop__ [~supermop@static-71-249-209-97.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:32:56 *** TheMask96 [martijn@wrath.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:38:02 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sloth.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 15:55:55 <Wolf01> Bye 15:55:58 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 16:05:10 *** smoke_fumus [~smoke_fum@188.35.176.90] has joined #openttd 16:08:06 *** efess [~Efess@c-24-61-64-170.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:08:48 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po1-84-91-250-188.netvisao.pt] has joined #openttd 16:19:33 *** supermop_ [~supermop@static-71-249-209-97.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 16:26:00 *** supermop [~supermop@static-71-249-209-97.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:29:25 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:29:28 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 16:40:55 *** andythenorth_ [~andytheno@155.red-81-43-101.staticip.rima-tde.net] has joined #openttd 16:41:53 <andythenorth_> Ship Cat 16:50:34 <Alberth> o/ 16:50:57 <Alberth> cats hate water :p 16:51:35 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~farci@i59F6CB8D.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 16:53:10 <Eddi|zuHause> Alberth: that's why they invented ships? 16:53:41 <Alberth> quite possibly 16:55:50 *** Progman [~progman@p57A18525.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:00:15 <andythenorth_> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship%27s_cat 17:11:03 *** Progman [~progman@p57A18525.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:14:46 <Alberth> nice :) 17:20:00 *** smoke_fumus [~smoke_fum@188.35.176.90] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 17:24:28 <supermop_> i am not liking v ray 17:25:01 <supermop_> why does a material have no inherent size 17:26:11 <supermop_> if i have some bumpy plaster and apply it to a wall 1 meter x 2 meters, it will look totally different than if i apply to a wall 10 meters x 2 meters 17:32:00 <supermop_> if i want to add a light i cant insert a linear light of 1 meter and say, this is a flourescent tube, 1 meter long, X number of watts, Y Kelvin in color 17:32:28 <supermop_> i have to make a material that glows 17:32:39 <supermop_> idk how you'd use ies files 17:33:59 <supermop_> V453000: can I not have like a wood grain that doesn't need to be re-mapped everytime i apply it to a differently sized object? 17:35:23 *** andythenorth_ [~andytheno@155.red-81-43-101.staticip.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:37:42 *** Gja [~Martin@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has joined #openttd 17:38:04 <Eddi|zuHause> i think you should use minecraft to model your buildings 17:38:51 <supermop_> client might not be satisfied when blocky building doesn't fit on non rectangular site 17:44:44 *** alask0ud [~Superdry^@181.169.232.64] has joined #openttd 17:47:17 *** supermop [~supermop@static-71-249-209-97.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 17:49:54 *** supermop__ [~supermop@static-71-249-209-97.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 17:53:46 *** supermop_ [~supermop@static-71-249-209-97.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:54:37 *** frosch123 [~frosch@00013ce7.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:55:01 *** srhnsn [~srhnsn@p2003006A6C23330004DA8E555191682A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:56:20 *** supermop [~supermop@static-71-249-209-97.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:01:41 <Samu> nocab is about to finish 18:01:46 <Samu> any minute 18:02:31 <Samu> finished 18:03:38 *** CompuDesktop [~Compu@cpe-67-255-36-150.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 18:03:39 <Samu> only 1 ai remains 18:03:42 <Samu> admiralai, 2035 18:04:24 <Samu> by the look of it, it will need 3 more days, maybe 4 18:04:29 <Samu> server too slow 18:09:20 <Samu> and by the look of it, it is also going to win the aircraft ai competition 18:10:00 <Samu> erm, maybe not in all metrics 18:10:05 <Samu> but in company value at least 18:10:20 *** Compu [~Compu@cpe-67-255-36-150.stny.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:14:55 *** supermop [~supermop@static-71-249-209-97.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 18:21:25 *** supermop__ [~supermop@static-71-249-209-97.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:21:51 *** supermop_ [~supermop@static-71-249-209-97.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 18:28:14 *** supermop [~supermop@static-71-249-209-97.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:34:58 <Samu> hmm, nocab did better than nonocab 18:35:56 <Samu> they seem to do different than each other 18:37:03 <Samu> nonocab went with a "stategy" of less, but high profits 18:37:11 <Samu> nocab went with more, but less profits 18:37:42 <Samu> nocab tactic ended up beating nonocab in company value and profits 18:38:13 <Samu> nonocab has a much better income per aircraft 18:39:13 <Samu> 1700 aircraft vs 5000 18:42:46 <Samu> wrightai has actually beaten some more complex ais 18:42:54 <Samu> beats cluelessplus 18:43:00 <Samu> beats chopper 18:43:08 <Samu> beats dictatorai 18:43:17 <Samu> ah, actually not 18:43:20 <Samu> not dictactor 18:43:38 <Samu> beats trans 18:44:33 <Samu> syntrans is an odd ai 18:44:52 <Samu> very low company value, but quite strong profits 18:45:09 <Samu> i wonder how he spends the money, what does he make that it is always low on money 18:46:13 <Samu> syntrans got a 100% ratio served airports 18:46:25 <Samu> that takes him 1st on that metric 18:46:31 <Rubidium> Samu: being low on money isn't necessarily a bad sign; if you want, as a human, to have the fastest growth then spending money on new trains/better infrastructure is the way to go. Any money that is not spent is wasted 18:47:24 <Samu> i don't know, he earns quite a lot per year 18:47:36 <Samu> £64M 18:47:49 <Samu> how does he also spend that same amount 18:49:12 <Samu> he's taking last place for company value 18:49:38 <Samu> £353M company value 18:49:56 <Samu> worse than tracai with £424M 18:50:34 <Samu> tracai does a £5M /year 18:52:15 <frosch123> "if you are rich, you are bad" 18:52:21 <frosch123> [at starcraft] 18:52:52 <Samu> ah :) 18:54:35 <Samu> tracai 44 aircraft, syntrans 3060 aircraft 18:55:21 <Samu> you see, it's odd that syntrans company value is too low 18:56:26 <Samu> AI name (version); company value; profitable acs; served stations; best last years; best ac; avg/ac 18:56:35 <Samu> SynTrans (v15); £353,313,130; 1,646/3,060; 347/ 347; +£64,049,661; £173,477; £20,931 18:56:40 <Samu> TracAI (v1); £424,021,661; 42/ 44; 43/ 505; +£5,966,935; £346,075; £135,612 19:05:23 <Samu> cluelessplus underperformed. i was expecting better 19:06:15 <Samu> it uses 1 airport for upgrading his entire planes 19:06:38 <Samu> i saw 100's aircraft waiting to land just to get to the depot 19:07:15 <Samu> it delays everything else, waiting cargo, industries lowering production 19:07:47 <Samu> hmm actually i dont remember if he used aircraft for industries, must rechck 19:08:49 <Samu> nop, he doesn't 19:10:36 <Samu> trans also underperformed somehow 19:11:17 <Samu> he didn't do that bad, but in comparison with other AIs which are quite simplistic like wrightai and rythorn 19:11:24 <Samu> he did worse 19:11:26 <Samu> :( 19:12:13 <Samu> he got the worst average per aircraft, other than chopper, but chopper is only using helicopters, so it's normal 19:13:55 <Samu> afk dinner 19:19:33 *** Wormnest [~Wormnest@s5596abd2.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 19:30:34 *** FLHerne [~flh@cpc4-papw5-2-0-cust175.5-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 19:57:08 <Samu> i have an idea 19:57:37 <Samu> there should be a way to restart an ai 19:57:45 <Samu> but without having his company gone 19:58:17 <Samu> if an AI crashes, just restart it immediately when it crashed, to give a feeling that the AI never stopped 19:58:46 <Samu> could it be done? 19:59:23 <Samu> there is a way to do this with saving then loading, but it's not practical 20:02:33 *** supermop [~supermop@pool-100-37-117-73.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 20:02:47 <Samu> similar to how IE browser tabs crash, IE just restarts that tab without actually crashing the whole IE 20:05:37 <Alberth> many AIs don't understand it when you give them infra structure that they didn't build 20:06:47 <Alberth> so if you restart the AI, it found all kinds of old infra structure that it knows nothing about 20:06:53 <Alberth> *finds 20:15:41 *** Defaultti [defaultti@lakka.kapsi.fi] has quit [Quit: Quitting.] 20:16:04 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 20:16:26 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-1-81-57-54-15.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:19:41 <Samu> gonna try changing something in visual studio 20:19:59 <Samu> see if i can make a script restart itself on crash 20:22:55 *** Defaultti [defaultti@lakka.kapsi.fi] has joined #openttd 20:25:53 *** Arveen [~Arveen@ip-176-199-6-90.hsi06.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 20:30:56 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@108-221-157-231.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 20:33:16 *** Progman [~progman@p57A18525.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:41:37 <Wormnest> Samu: I think I saw a patch on the bugtracker from years ago that supposedly does something like that IIRC 20:43:06 <Samu> oh nice, must find 20:44:49 <Wormnest> at least a way to restart not auto restart a crashed ai I think but you may be able to use it 20:57:37 <Samu> hmm i think i did it, i used rocketai which crashes early 20:57:54 <Samu> there is an impact on openttd performance 20:58:26 <Samu> let me try without debug version brb 20:59:22 <Samu> ai_instance.cpp 21:00:31 <Samu> void AIInstance::Died() { ScriptInstance::Died(); AI::Stop(_current_company); AI::StartNew(_current_company, false); } 21:00:49 *** Progman [~progman@p57A18525.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:01:39 <Samu> might try a misc openttd setting for this 21:01:42 <Samu> on or off 21:03:32 *** Wormnest [~Wormnest@s5596abd2.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:04:40 <Samu> without debug version, the impact is not as noticeable, but if the game is run in fast forward, it is noticeable 21:04:51 <Samu> hmm 21:05:41 <Samu> the ai debug window is being cleaned all the time 21:05:51 <Samu> must not clean 21:05:55 <Samu> keep all the log 21:06:02 <Samu> yeah I think I like this feature all 21:07:20 *** Hiddenfunstuff [~Geth@y32.ip1.anvianet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:10:02 <Samu> it's averaging 3.5% cpu with this restarting thing 21:10:11 <Samu> per instance 21:10:23 <Samu> if i have 15 instances... that's a bad sign 21:11:36 <Samu> let's try 15 rocketais 21:12:01 <Samu> erm, 14 21:16:27 <Samu> this is bad 21:16:33 <Samu> :( really impactful 21:16:50 <Samu> too bad, i was enjoying this 21:32:04 *** Antheus [Antheus@janus.theender.net] has quit [Quit: Are you ready kids?] 21:33:40 *** michi_cc [~michi@00012723.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:36:18 *** frosch123 [~frosch@00013ce7.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 21:36:50 *** Antheus [Antheus@janus.theender.net] has joined #openttd 21:39:54 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~farci@i59F6CB8D.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:40:54 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~farci@i59F6CB8D.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 21:41:28 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~farci@i59F6CB8D.versanet.de] has quit [] 21:41:56 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~farci@i59F6CB8D.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 21:42:04 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~farci@i59F6CB8D.versanet.de] has quit [] 21:43:25 *** srhnsn [~srhnsn@p2003006A6C23330004DA8E555191682A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: srhnsn] 21:47:39 *** Gja [~Martin@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 21:50:27 *** michi_cc [~michi@00012723.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 21:50:30 *** mode/#openttd [+v michi_cc] by ChanServ 21:51:49 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~farci@i59F6CB8D.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 21:56:02 <Samu> what's the difference between "delete c->ai_instance;" and c->ai_instance = NULL; 22:01:08 <Rubidium> "delete c->ai_instance" is like freeing prisoners, and c->ai_instance = NULL is like removing all knowledge of the prisoners existing 22:02:01 <Rubidium> doing only the latter does not free the prisoners, but since everyone forgets about the prisoners they will never be fed again (or freed) 22:02:53 <glx> good way to fill the RAM ;) 22:04:34 <Rubidium> unlike languages with garbage collection, where the latter will in a sense move the knowledge of the prisoners existing to an entity that releases "forgotten" prisoners every once in a while. But bear in mind that those languages require more steps to count the number of users and require more memory to maintain those counts 22:07:46 <Samu> i'm trying this command 22:07:53 <Samu> erm, fucntion 22:07:56 <Samu> /* static */ void AI::Restart(CompanyID company) { Company *c = Company::Get(company); delete c->ai_instance; c->ai_instance = NULL; c->ai_instance = new AIInstance(); c->ai_instance->Initialize(c->ai_info); } 22:08:24 <Samu> trying to avoid AI::Stop and AI::StartNew 22:10:09 <Samu> there's still something else that is clearing the debug log 22:10:19 <Samu> must find what is cleaning it 22:10:26 <Samu> i wanted it to keep all the log 22:19:55 *** michi_cc [~michi@00012723.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:22:11 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@89.136.141.100] has quit [] 22:22:13 *** Compu_ [~Compu@cpe-67-255-36-150.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 22:27:19 *** CompuDesktop [~Compu@cpe-67-255-36-150.stny.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:28:06 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc80661-stap13-2-0-cust817.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: JacobD88] 22:32:37 <Samu> what is backup and restore used for? in the case of ais? 22:32:55 <Samu> Backup<CompanyByte> cur_company(_current_company, company, FILE_LINE); Company::Get(company)->ai_instance->Pause(); cur_company.Restore(); 22:33:34 <Samu> to pause the ai, you use this backup thing, but i can't figure out why 22:34:45 <Samu> not only when pausing, but also for startnew, stop, unpause 22:35:44 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-1-81-57-54-15.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 22:43:32 *** gelignite [~gelignite@x4e310f8f.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #openttd 23:07:40 *** michi_cc [michi@00012723.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 23:07:43 *** mode/#openttd [+v michi_cc] by ChanServ 23:16:15 <Samu> i have an idea for this problem but i may need help 23:16:29 <Samu> instead of restarting immediately, i'd postpone a restart on the next month 23:16:52 <Samu> or perhaps in the next few hundred ticks, how do I do this? 23:18:50 <Samu> i'm still unable to keep the log 23:18:59 <Samu> it is always cleaning up the old log, starting anew 23:21:57 *** FLHerne [~flh@cpc4-papw5-2-0-cust175.5-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: There's a real world out here!] 23:23:59 <Samu> hehe, rocketai with 103 road vehicles, this is nice, and the company ain't bankrupting 23:33:35 <Samu> oh, 108 road vehicles, it feels alive! 23:46:52 *** Compu [~Compu@cpe-67-246-138-98.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 23:50:55 *** Compu_ [~Compu@cpe-67-255-36-150.stny.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:55:02 *** CompuDesktop [~Compu@cpe-67-246-138-98.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 23:56:40 *** michi_cc [michi@00012723.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]