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09:43:25  <Wolf01> o/
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09:49:32  <Wolf01> Quak
09:50:02  <frosch123> moi
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10:11:23  <frosch123> what? is it april 1st?
10:11:46  <Wolf01> Maybe
10:12:22  <frosch123> there is a headline about an agreement between yt and gema, ... after 10 years?
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10:12:38  <Wolf01> o/
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10:23:49  <Eddi|zuHause> i didn't expect that to happen in my lifetime
10:24:18  <andythenorth> lo Wolf01
10:24:28  <andythenorth> Wolf01 seen the combine harvester? o_O
10:24:36  <andythenorth> it’s not my taste, but it’s pretty epic
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10:24:42  <Wolf01> Which one?
10:24:59  <andythenorth> on Eurobricks
10:25:10  <andythenorth> Claas Lexion
10:25:28  <andythenorth>
10:25:49  <Wolf01> Oh, yes :)
10:27:04  <andythenorth> impressive
10:27:12  <andythenorth> I prefer toys to super-detailed models these days
10:27:19  <andythenorth> but if I was 15 I would have been drooling over that
10:27:30  <andythenorth> meanwhile
10:27:37  <Wolf01> :o
10:27:52  <andythenorth> I have the road underlays about 50% done in test grf
10:28:00  <andythenorth> it’s not hard, just yak-shaving
10:28:19  <andythenorth> Wolf01 or Eddi|zuHause, there is one curve that is showing straight road
10:28:23  <andythenorth> I don’t understand why
10:28:43  <andythenorth> follow the most LH side road to the second corer
10:29:00  <andythenorth> might be a bug in the newgrf, but not sure how to diagnose
10:29:20  <andythenorth> AIUI, it needs to be just one big spriteset, in a specific order
10:29:22  <Wolf01> Nice
10:31:46  <Wolf01> I'm trying to merge the gui branch in master, but I think it's better if I'll rewrite it from scratch
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10:32:00  <Wolf01> I'll need to change too many things and deduplicate a lot of code
10:32:17  <andythenorth> yeah
10:32:22  <andythenorth> build one to throw away :)
10:32:46  <Wolf01> Maybe I'll do common_road_gui.cpp
10:33:49  <V453000> anus
10:33:53  <Wolf01> Also I can't understand why it explodes roadtypes... I get 6 roads and 6 trams, with 3 roads repeated and 3 trams repeated
10:34:01  * V453000 has strong opinions today
10:34:03  <Wolf01> Hi V
10:34:08  <V453000> heyo
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10:35:52  <Wolf01> Is the FOR_ALL_SORTED_ROADTYPES which should filter only the basetype I set... but it returns the road subtypes twice
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10:37:42  <Wolf01> Or maybe it's the inner for that's wrong
10:38:28  <Wolf01> Nah... even worse
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10:39:54  <Wolf01> It's wrong because I don't even need the for...
10:40:28  <andythenorth>
10:40:31  <andythenorth> just the half-tiles needed...
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10:40:37  <andythenorth> for underlays
10:40:39  <andythenorth> then overlays
10:40:49  <andythenorth> bridges, tunnels, depots
10:41:00  <V453000> my brain commits suicided when reading that
10:41:05  <V453000> -d
10:41:28  <V453000> getting RAWR/BRIX flashbacks XD
10:41:46  <Wolf01> Aren't the T pieces wrong?
10:43:09  <andythenorth> they are being shown where they shouldn’t be
10:43:10  <andythenorth> yes
10:43:23  <andythenorth> should be half-tiles in some places
10:43:27  <Wolf01> We need a proper roadbit map
10:43:41  <Wolf01> Roadbit-to-sprite
10:45:55  <Wolf01> It's easy to work out, with pen and paper
10:46:08  <andythenorth>
10:46:24  * andythenorth took a day off work
10:46:41  <andythenorth> much easier to do ottd stuff if not worked 8-12 hours already
10:46:49  <Wolf01> :)
10:46:53  <V453000> XD I know that
10:49:38  <V453000> me is big wannabe python programmer
10:49:40  <V453000> :D
10:50:00  <V453000> making a script which takes an image, filters some specific colours, and saves those specific image pieces in some places
10:50:03  <V453000> shit's wild
10:55:28  <andythenorth> is PIL?
10:55:36  <andythenorth> or ImageMagick?
10:55:42  <andythenorth> or in some other app?
10:57:13  <andythenorth> Wolf01: wondering if the patch from frosch added bridges and tunnels?
10:57:23  * andythenorth should probably read it :P
10:57:24  <andythenorth>
10:57:29  <frosch123> no, just plain track
10:57:33  <Eddi|zuHause> Wolf01: so something similar to the image that shows the mapping from height bits to slopes?
10:57:40  <andythenorth> ho quak
10:57:42  <frosch123> no catenary, no bridges, no tunnels, no level crossing
10:57:44  <andythenorth> unusual daytime frosch
10:58:10  <Wolf01> Eddi, sort of, I think I already found it somewhere, maybe in the forum or in some newgrf tutorial
10:58:18  <V453000> PIL
10:58:25  <andythenorth> lawks
10:58:38  <andythenorth> PIL is not the friendliest python module ever :)
10:58:50  <andythenorth> sometimes it rather sharply teaches you about the distinctions between copy() and deepcopy()
10:59:14  <andythenorth> it’s a bit of a crapshoot about what modifies the Image you’re operating on, and what returns a copy
10:59:19  <frosch123> andythenorth: it's an usual day in an unusual state
10:59:36  <andythenorth> frosch123: cryptic?
10:59:53  <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: half of germany has a holiday on 31.10, and the other day on 1.11
10:59:59  <andythenorth> ah
11:00:06  <Eddi|zuHause> protestant/catholic nonsense
11:00:39  <V453000> didn't get to that yet andythenorth :)
11:00:55  <andythenorth> V453000: it only comes up when you’re looking at the results, and asking ‘wtf'
11:00:58  <V453000> also I have some programmer helpers to warn me shit :D
11:01:02  <V453000> XD right
11:01:06  <andythenorth> also is a useful tool when debugging
11:01:16  <V453000> I'm creating copies atm to work with
11:01:20  <V453000> and only read from the sources
11:01:26  <V453000> & save copies upon output
11:02:20  <andythenorth> Wolf01: how about equivalent of sprite aligner tool, just show the bits in-game? o_O
11:02:26  <andythenorth> in-game docs are leet :P
11:03:27  <Wolf01> Oh, just a html table with the correct order of sprites to use should be enough
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11:04:24  * andythenorth needs to do overlay sprites next
11:04:32  <andythenorth> or tramz
11:04:45  <frosch123> can you also remove the walkways from the underlay?
11:05:12  <V453000> not having to figure out correct order of sprites = heaven
11:05:31  <peter1138> I never have to do that.
11:05:50  <Wolf01> Mmmmh, I get an assert on base roadtype: 33554690... a bit too high, the limit is 2
11:06:13  <Eddi|zuHause> i don't know how that is difficult, just look at opengfx or another base set
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11:06:55  <Eddi|zuHause> @base 10 2 33554690
11:06:55  <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 10000000000000000100000010
11:07:30  <Eddi|zuHause> my guess is some bitstuffing that you didn't undo properly
11:07:56  <Eddi|zuHause> @base 10 16 33554690
11:07:56  <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 2000102
11:09:06  <Wolf01> Really strange
11:09:41  <Wolf01> I have 2 for loops which creates the identifiers
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11:13:00  <Wolf01> Ok, thats the RoadTypeIdentifier "invalid"
11:13:37  <Eddi|zuHause> why is invalid not 0xFFFF...?
11:14:01  <Wolf01> Because it's a structure
11:14:08  <Wolf01> And not an enum
11:14:37  <Wolf01> I needed to represent 0xffff... + 0xffff... in a different way
11:14:48  <Wolf01> if (!_sorted_roadtypes[ROADTYPE_ROAD][rst].IsValid()) continue; <- should be enough
11:15:19  <Wolf01> Nope...
11:15:51  <Wolf01> Initialized with the wrong values, basetype invalid + 0 subtype
11:16:23  <Wolf01> I hate that structure :(
11:18:37  <Eddi|zuHause> i really don't know what you're doing there, but it sounds a few layers too complicated
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11:19:41  <Wolf01> I need to have both roadtype (road or tram) and subtype (one of the defined roads/trams) in the same variable, so I made a structure which could be packed to int
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11:26:42  <Wolf01> <-
11:27:01  <Wolf01> 4+ are wrong, should be all like 3
11:27:06  <andythenorth> frosch123:
11:27:29  <peter1138> have we got bridge and underground layers yet?
11:28:10  <andythenorth> only in a patch on your computer
11:28:28  <peter1138> wasn't it smatz who played with it?
11:28:32  <Eddi|zuHause> wasn't that smatz's patch?
11:28:39  <peter1138> heh
11:30:00  <frosch123> andythenorth: \o/
11:30:06  * andythenorth making blue ones now
11:30:08  <andythenorth> for POC
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11:31:54  <peter1138> When I first started on OpenTTD, 256MB was a decent amount of RAM...
11:32:27  <frosch123> are you sure?
11:32:42  <frosch123> ottd started in 2004, in 2005 1GB was the standard amount
11:32:53  <peter1138> Well, enough for general use.
11:33:11  <Eddi|zuHause> i think i had 1GB when i found openttd
11:33:47  <Eddi|zuHause> but i upgraded that computer from 512 at some point
11:34:03  <Wolf01> I had 1GB, later 3GB cause XP x86
11:34:03  <andythenorth> we need a convert tool :P
11:35:18  <andythenorth>
11:35:30  <Wolf01> FOR_ALL_SORTED_ROADTYPES... 0, 1, 1350
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11:36:05  <andythenorth> frosch123: FWIW, your patches are merged here
11:36:14  <andythenorth> along with this morning’s ottd trunk
11:36:18  * andythenorth learnt about git remotes
11:36:28  <Eddi|zuHause> Wolf01: encapsualate your operations on this data type better, and then make sure every operation checks for invalid first
11:36:50  <Eddi|zuHause> can't be more specific
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11:37:22  <Wolf01> I can't even understand how it manages to read uninitalized ones... there's a hard limit
11:40:11  <Wolf01> I managed to swap the variables and double convert the structure in the macro -.-'''
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11:42:46  <Wolf01> C++ types are too loose, you won't get errors until runtime
11:44:38  <Wolf01> ROADTYPE_ROAD, RoadTypeIdentifier, uint8... 3 different things, sometimes it tells about invalid cast, sometimes it happily accepts everything you put there
11:46:26  <andythenorth> hmm
11:46:30  <andythenorth> catenary for road? o_O
11:46:45  <Eddi|zuHause> you either use too little or too much object orientation, but i still think you're making it more complicated than it needs to be
11:48:09  <frosch123> in the 90's there was some program which people put into their login script to print some clever note on every login
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11:49:12  <Wolf01> I would put a todo list on the login screen
11:49:17  <Eddi|zuHause> was that better than the windows loging screen where if you didn't know the password, you just press escape and it just logs you in anyway?
11:49:38  <Eddi|zuHause> -g
11:49:58  <Wolf01> Windows 98
11:50:45  <andythenorth> Snail: does it compile yet? o_O
11:50:52  <Wolf01> That was just to enter the credentials for network, so it didn't ask for them when you needed to access the network for the first time
11:50:55  <Snail> hi andythenorth
11:50:57  <Snail> nah :(
11:55:56  * andythenorth not sure what to do next :)
11:56:37  <andythenorth> the example grf could be refactored, but that seems like busy work
11:56:40  <Wolf01> Gui sprites
11:57:06  <andythenorth> I have reset the grf to use the defaults :P
11:57:10  <andythenorth> for convenience
11:57:14  <Wolf01> +1
11:57:52  <andythenorth> Wolf01:
11:57:59  <Wolf01> If you set the catenary flag on roads do you get some weird stuff?
11:58:57  * andythenorth tests
12:00:42  <Wolf01> It's strange that I get img = 0 for standard roads when I open the road construction toolbar, but not for grf roads
12:00:51  <Wolf01> Do you get that too?
12:01:41  <andythenorth> Wolf01: in stdout?
12:01:48  <Wolf01> No, assert
12:02:06  <Wolf01> assert(img != 0)
12:02:15  <andythenorth> not seeing that
12:02:22  <Wolf01> Widgets don't get the image
12:02:43  <Wolf01> I think I have a problem with RoadTypeInfo
12:03:03  <Wolf01> Strange, because the names are all there
12:06:08  <andythenorth> Wolf01:
12:06:15  <andythenorth> adds catenary to one type
12:06:30  <frosch123> andythenorth: is it intentional that the original road/tram also get the red graphics?
12:06:42  <andythenorth> frosch123: it’s a side effect of the example grf
12:06:48  <andythenorth> I’ll tidy it up
12:07:35  <andythenorth> Wolf01: that last grf was lies, fixing
12:09:27  <Wolf01> It's more all roadtypes look the same
12:09:51  * andythenorth thinks there is some problem
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12:10:11  <Wolf01> I think I didn't pass the right value to road_cmd functions
12:10:12  <frosch123> default road, red road, blue road?
12:10:35  <frosch123> tram is all red though
12:11:05  <andythenorth> I am making a new grf
12:11:08  <andythenorth> or updated
12:11:13  <andythenorth> but the results are odd
12:11:26  <andythenorth> I have normal road showing catenary, but the catenary flag isn’t set
12:11:52  <andythenorth> wolf road is correctly red, but shows no catenary, despite flag is set
12:12:03  <andythenorth> north road is blue, correctly no catenary
12:12:24  <andythenorth> also the strings in the buy menu don’t match to the types
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12:12:58  <andythenorth> hmm, actually the red and blue are transposed
12:13:19  <Wolf01> Stupid tortoise svn plugin... I reverted all the changes from the entire repository instead of the branch
12:13:53  <Wolf01> It seem I'm not able to read before clicking "ok"
12:15:05  <andythenorth> frosch123 Wolf01
12:15:11  <andythenorth> should be more obvious which type is which :P
12:15:31  <Wolf01> The plugin is not project-path aware
12:16:25  <Wolf01> And since I have an all-in-one checkout, I ran into these problems
12:17:25  <Wolf01> Not so bad, I wanted to cleanup it anyway
12:17:27  <andythenorth>
12:17:38  <andythenorth> un-broke gui sprites for one type
12:19:43  <Wolf01> Could you change the order too? Game builds electric roads because they are first O_o
12:21:58  <andythenorth> I can, but there’s a bug there too
12:22:21  <andythenorth> the chosen type doesn’t match the type built
12:22:26  <Wolf01> Nice
12:22:29  <andythenorth> dunno if it’s just wrong strings, or something else
12:22:31  <andythenorth> try it :)
12:22:41  <andythenorth> blue road is read
12:22:45  <andythenorth> red *
12:22:49  <andythenorth> the nml is correct
12:23:16  <Wolf01> Index to subtype bug, just make the right grf and I'll address that
12:23:30  * andythenorth looks up ordering spec
12:25:45  <Wolf01> I'm making some little fixes
12:25:52  <Wolf01> But lunch time now
12:26:14  <andythenorth> I can’t get ‘normal’ road into correct place
12:26:19  * andythenorth wonders what the default is for it
12:26:24  <andythenorth> for rails, 07 is normal
12:28:06  <andythenorth> Wolf01:
12:28:26  <andythenorth> sort order 99 and 100 seemed to work :P
12:36:19  <Wolf01> /* sort order */ 0 << 4 | 7,
12:38:48  <Wolf01> I copied from railtypes, so I think that has the same rules
12:44:16  <Wolf01> andythenorth I totally want to build something like this
12:46:56  <andythenorth> looks nice eh?
12:47:02  <Wolf01> Yeah
12:47:13  <andythenorth> I think it would be more playable if smaller
12:47:15  <Wolf01> Too bad we don't have electric air valves
12:47:25  <andythenorth> large models tend to be less robust
12:48:37  <Wolf01> It's really clever, 2 pumps for 2 circuits so you don't have too much pressure drop
12:49:46  <andythenorth> isolated circuits eh
12:53:11  <Wolf01> This branch is 48 commits ahead, 15 commits behind andythenorth:dev. <- looks funny
12:53:20  <andythenorth> :P
12:53:31  <andythenorth> I have stopped maintaining andythenorth/dev
12:53:37  <andythenorth> it has bits of gui in it
12:53:41  <andythenorth> will be a bad patch
12:57:36  <Wolf01> I'm going to break things running fast
12:57:55  <Wolf01> But I think code will be pleased about the change, less confusion
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13:12:09  <Wolf01> did this
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13:15:23  <Wolf01> At least now I use only one thing and I shouldn't have again the problem of storing a RoadType directly in a RoadTypeIdentifier variable because it is declared as uint8
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13:19:27  <andythenorth> makes sense
13:23:14  <Wolf01> Next is to add IsRoad() / IsTram() methods to replace all the "_cur_roadtype_identifier.basetype == ROADTYPE_TRAM"
13:24:36  <Wolf01> _cur_roadtype_identifier.IsTram() or a static function in road_gui?
13:27:54  <Eddi|zuHause> if you already bothered to make a struct, you might as well encapsulate the functions into it
13:29:54  <andythenorth>
13:30:05  <andythenorth> added a yellow road
13:30:14  <andythenorth> construction menu is now even more messed up :)
13:30:41  <Wolf01> I'm arriving at it, slowly :P
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13:34:53  * andythenorth should release this rainbow grf
13:34:55  <andythenorth> looks cool
13:35:02  <andythenorth> V453000 would like it
13:41:18  <supermop> yo
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13:43:48  <frosch123> <- is that how you use them?
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13:53:20  <V453000> sick
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14:10:15  <peter1138> Mega gameplay enhancement ;)
14:19:18  <andythenorth> important
14:19:23  <Wolf01> About mega gameplay enhancement, what's the status of custom bridge heads?
14:19:24  <andythenorth> should make them company coloured :P
14:19:39  <Wolf01> Hell yead andy :D
14:19:44  <Wolf01> *yeah
14:20:56  <frosch123> currently not supported :)
14:21:14  <frosch123> are railtypes cc-recolored?
14:22:06  <Wolf01> Maybe fences
14:22:37  <Wolf01> I have some memories of fences with cc-colored signs
14:25:07  <andythenorth> fences are cc
14:25:10  <andythenorth> in default
14:26:02  <frosch123> default roads use the recoloring for dirt/grass
14:26:10  <andythenorth> they do? o_O
14:26:12  <frosch123> but i disabled that for custom roads, since it is stupid
14:26:53  <frosch123> and custom roads should not include the walkways anyway, so the recoloring only surprises wrt. which colors are useable
14:27:11  <andythenorth> not sure what the benefits of recoloring would be for roads
14:27:12  <andythenorth> but eh
14:27:20  * andythenorth must go out soon, but if anyone does bridges, tunnels etc
14:27:26  <andythenorth> I’ll update the grf when I get back
14:28:44  <Wolf01> Splitting menu right now
14:29:45  <frosch123> i'll look into bridges/tunnels/levelcrossing/catenary
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14:47:00  <Wolf01> Ha! Found when it asserts for "img != 0", still looking for *why*
14:56:41  <peter1138> It asserts because img != 0
14:57:02  <Wolf01> Yeah, but I should figure out why is 0
14:57:14  <Wolf01> I'm thinking, is it too late to trash our fork and work directly on andy's repo? Maybe creating various branches and then merge all into andy's master?
15:01:02  <Wolf01> ottd->fork->fork... cross fork-branch merges... it will explode soon or later
15:04:50  <Wolf01> Ha! Found it, index to road subtype... index is 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, road subtype in 0, 1, 2; 0, 1, 2
15:09:35  <Wolf01> Is index 0 or 1 based?
15:16:20  <Wolf01> Ok, seem solved
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15:18:22  <Wolf01> o/
15:18:33  <crem> o/
15:18:56  <frosch123> o/
15:19:26  <Alberth> o/
15:19:47  <Eddi|zuHause> Wolf01: so what's the difference between a fork and a branch in that scenario?
15:20:09  <Wolf01> That I have 3 branches in my fork
15:20:15  <frosch123> Wolf01: why is there a catenary bit in the map array?
15:21:07  <Wolf01> frosch123, I think it was there before
15:21:33  <frosch123> nope
15:21:45  <frosch123> if you don't know, i'll ignore/remove it :)
15:21:50  <Wolf01> Or maybe it was added when I and andy were working cluelessly to add features without newgrf
15:22:17  <Wolf01> Remove it, it could be retrieved from RoadTypeInfo in any moment
15:27:19  <andythenorth> Wolf01: I would much rather you worked out of ‘my’ repo :)
15:27:35  <andythenorth> we aren’t strangers, the whole github ‘fork’ thing just doesn’t apply
15:28:07  <andythenorth> just make feature branches, then merge them into a candidate build when ready
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15:56:29  <frosch123> someone seems to like function overloading a lot :p
15:56:55  <Alberth> reduces the number of used identifiers :p
15:57:37  <frosch123> what to call variables of type RoadTypeInfo and RoadTypeIdentifier?
15:57:47  <frosch123> some places use rti for for either of them
15:57:50  <frosch123> but i need both
15:57:53  <Wolf01> Does the same thing with different input, why not use the same name? :D
15:58:06  <Alberth> rt_info   rt_iden  ?
15:58:10  <frosch123> Wolf01: HasCatenary exists for RailType, RoadType and Tile
15:58:21  <frosch123> at least one of them is bonkers :)
15:58:29  <Wolf01> rti should be RoadTypeInfo, rtid for RoadTypeIdentifier
15:58:55  <Wolf01> I would remove the tile one
15:59:03  <frosch123> yup, already done
16:00:40  <Wolf01> I missed one point to add the new toolbar button for trams... and I can't find where, I'm following all the road button places and seem it's ok
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16:00:56  <frosch123> oh, for levelcrossing there is also rti for RailTypeInfo :)
16:01:19  <Wolf01> Eh, use roti then :P
16:01:34  <Wolf01> As it's done in enums
16:03:30  <Wolf01> Oh, now it's appeared
16:04:49  <Wolf01> No code duplication ad all
16:05:22  <Wolf01> But I would need to duplicate the roadstops gui part to hide the 4 bays for trams
16:05:29  <Wolf01> Or I'll leave them there?
16:05:43  <andythenorth> long-term they need to be hidden
16:05:46  <andythenorth> but that’s optimisation
16:08:02  <Wolf01> Trams button uses the rail sprite, we'll need a new one in opengfx or such
16:08:17  <andythenorth> there’s the one I made...
16:08:46  <Wolf01> And I noticed the weird behaviour about ordering as andy said before
16:08:54  <Wolf01> I'll need to look at it
16:10:20  <Wolf01> <- andy for your amusement
16:11:03  <Wolf01> It took less time to rewrite from scratch without code duplication than trying to merge the old branch
16:11:07  <andythenorth> should I merge that into road-and-tram-types
16:11:08  <andythenorth> ?
16:11:18  <andythenorth> or are we keeping the gui branch separate?
16:11:29  <Wolf01> It's in my dev branch
16:11:34  <Wolf01> I made some fixes today
16:11:52  <Wolf01> If you want to merge it, I think it's ready
16:11:58  <andythenorth> ok
16:12:07  <Wolf01> Needs that ordering fix
16:12:35  <Wolf01> Which I don't know if it's because all roadtypes have the same order or what
16:13:38  <Wolf01> Also I defined the trams button only for full toolbar, if you can't see it get a bigger screen :P
16:13:49  <andythenorth> :P
16:14:10  <Wolf01> Just kidding, we should think about how to rearrange buttons
16:15:47  <andythenorth> Wolf01: is the button split in your dev branch?
16:15:52  <andythenorth> I merged, but no button :)
16:16:02  <andythenorth>
16:16:16  <andythenorth> that just splits the toolbar? o_O
16:22:23  <crem> Sorry for (kind of) offtopic.  I played openttd ~5 years ago last time, and the very annoying thing was "local authorities" which disallowed to build around the city.  Was it improved since then?  Especially as I hear about trams, which I believe means more building around cities.
16:22:59  <crem> I know about "lots of trees" trick, but it doesn't help much, and kind of unrealistic.
16:23:16  <Alberth> off-topic????  :)
16:24:29  <crem> kind of :)
16:24:58  <crem> It's mostly about development here as far as I can see :)
16:25:13  <andythenorth> bbl
16:28:23  <Wolf01> You merged from my master, andy, I made changes in dev
16:28:48  <Wolf01> Which was already in sync with your road-and-trams XD
16:30:07  <Wolf01> I don't know how to handle this now... maybe merging from dev works and ignores the last duplicated merge
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16:39:46  <supermop> crem: you are probably more on topic than andythenorth is 90% of the time
16:40:28  <Wolf01> frosch123, did you add or remove the BridgeHasCatenary?
16:40:43  <frosch123> i removed it
16:40:58  <Wolf01> Because if andy merges it will be readded...
16:41:03  <ElleKitty> Gaby_ Hello, you =3
16:41:18  <ElleKitty> Welcomes to Gaby, first time on IRC
16:41:39  <frosch123> ElleKitty: you already brought in some stranger yesterday :p
16:41:45  <Gaby_> :D
16:42:25  <Wolf01> It's like when you find stray cats
16:42:30  <ElleKitty> frosch123 The stranger from yesterday is my decades-long friend! Gaby, however, is a total stranger =3
16:42:36  <supermop> crem: it hard to say "improved" as one of the objectives of the game is to replicate the gameplay of TTO/TTD, and stubborn local authorities are very much part of that original experience
16:42:54  <ElleKitty> I picked Gaby up earlier today, someone left him
16:43:32  <supermop> people have done work to make things more friendly, but the core gameplay is the same
16:43:43  <ElleKitty> Gaby_ When you type a few letters of someone's name, then press TAB, their name will be completed. And when you send such a message, it pings them so they hear it
16:43:50  <Wolf01> Better if I stop developing on my fork now and create a branch in andy's repo before doing more damage. I don't have any more things to commit from mine
16:44:50  <ElleKitty> Gaby_ Give it a try?
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16:46:51  <Gaby_> First, Can I change the language ?
16:47:10  <Wolf01> :D
16:47:31  <ElleKitty> Gaby_ is totally a stray cat...
16:47:51  <Gaby_> Me ? :D
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16:47:59  <ElleKitty> Gaby_ Yes, you can change to french, just go to settings
16:48:12  <ElleKitty> But your english is good, I dont know why you'd need to change
16:48:27  <Wolf01> Chat will still be in english though
16:48:50  <ElleKitty> Wolf01 It didnt even cross my mind to tell him that. Surely everyone knows this?
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16:49:25  <Gaby__> Woaw :D
16:50:15  <Wolf01> I don't know, in some chats with predefined messages you can compose your message in your tongue and others will see it in theirs
16:50:41  <Wolf01> Some Nintendo games have that
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16:52:24  <ElleKitty> Pfshh. Modern AAA "accessibility"
16:52:40  <ElleKitty> This "accessibility" of theirs is what made for lazy gamers
16:53:32  <supermop> surely some method of machine translation could try to translate messages in real time
16:53:33  <ElleKitty> This is one of the main reasons why AAA sucks now. Indy is where all the fun is
16:53:46  <Wolf01> It's mainly to put in comunication kids from the entire world, so you don't have bad language and everyone talks in his tongue
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16:55:35  <ElleKitty> I'm divided on whether this is a good idea, or a really really bad one in a long run
16:56:42  <Wolf01> You have some limitations but at least you shouldn't be able to say weird things, flame etc
16:58:58  <ElleKitty> Seems a bit big-brotherish to me.
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16:59:57  <Wolf01> Better than leaving kids completely unattended
17:00:59  <ElleKitty> I was unattended as far as my computer is concerned... I got a few C&D's and an FBI notice, but I turned out just fine in the end
17:01:47  <ElleKitty> Anyway. My problem with this is that it's not just videogame chatrooms. Everything is more and more under surveilance.
17:02:29  <ElleKitty> You had Xbox 360 with optional Kinect, which can track your motions in the room. Then you got Xbox One with MANDATORY intenet and MANDATORY Kinect. Whoaaa, hold back right there
17:02:40  <Wolf01> Oh, when you can talk only about ingame things or if you like more cats than dogs I don't think is a problem
17:03:12  <ElleKitty> Then there are now those voice-command TVs so that you could "throw away that old remote that keeps getting lost", but it monitors everything you say in the room unless it's unplugged from the wall
17:03:22  <Wolf01> Just unplug the x-one when not in use
17:03:50  <ElleKitty> I shouldnt have to have to UNPLUG ITS POWER. Thats what the Power button should be doing
17:04:10  <Wolf01> Smart TVs are so 1984, I don't think I'll buy one... I don't even watch TV programmes
17:04:11  <ElleKitty> I expect that, when I press Power button on the box, that it powers down
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17:05:09  <Wolf01> Think about it as another way to not waste electricity when "powered off"
17:05:19  <ElleKitty> TV is entertainment for people with medium and mediocre intelligence. They serve you a show, and you eat it up. Internet serves you what you ask of it
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17:17:26  <ElleKitty> Wolf01 No Man's Sky wallpaper:
17:17:58  <Wolf01> I don't trust anonymous IP addresses with strange names in jpgs
17:18:37  <Wolf01> Put a screen in imgur :D
17:19:13  <ElleKitty> Funny thing is, this is already from Imgur. I dont change their names when I save them to disk, this makes them easily searchable later
17:20:01  <ElleKitty> Wolf01 Here you go...
17:20:28  <Wolf01> :)
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17:49:54  <Wolf01> XD
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18:06:23  <Alberth> dangerous site, wastes lots of time  :)
18:07:06  <Wolf01> Nah, a friend linked it, I waste my life on 9gag
18:07:22  <Wolf01> Or tvtropes
18:07:30  <Wolf01> Or here
18:10:07  <Wolf01> BBL
18:18:19  <ElleKitty> Wolf01
18:19:26  <andythenorth> Wolf01: I will revert the merge from your master
18:19:40  <andythenorth> I hate that bitbucket UI for pull requests, it’s failure prone
18:19:55  <andythenorth> it rebuilds the menu options with js so your choices change :P
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18:25:09  * andythenorth wonders if github forks are just git remote
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18:51:02  <Alberth> it's mostly just git with a nice set of web pages :p
18:52:16  <andythenorth> ‘nice’ :)
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19:05:05  <Alberth> the latter gets extended continuously, lately they added a 'review' option
19:05:37  <Alberth> not sure what the added value is wrt just being able to add comment to a line of code, what was already possible :)
19:05:56  <Alberth> but progress is in small steps :)
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19:12:37  <Alberth> new squid too!
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19:15:37  <andythenorth> translations
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19:23:46  <Alberth> new inktvis too :)
19:27:39  <argoneus> good evening train friends
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20:03:16  * andythenorth might play a game
20:03:25  <andythenorth> need some GS or something
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