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o_O 12:35:24 <frosch123> what? 12:36:09 <andythenorth> “frosch123: only thing that is missing is a flag or similar to hide a roadtype from the build menu” 12:36:19 <frosch123> oh, that one 12:36:21 <andythenorth> yes :) 12:36:37 <Wolf01> Is it the right solution? 12:36:52 <frosch123> well, it also needs checking whether all the filter dropdowns still make sense 12:37:03 <frosch123> and as said, they should use separate ids 12:37:28 <Eddi|zuHause> call them "virtual roadtypes" 12:37:31 <frosch123> i.e. in autoreplace gui you would still filter for "offroad vehicles" 12:38:59 <Eddi|zuHause> ... so i just signed the contract for my new "dayjob" 12:39:25 <frosch123> since when do we offer contracts here? 12:39:40 <frosch123> and "day" in what timezone? 12:39:48 <Eddi|zuHause> yes. 12:42:54 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 12:43:32 <Wolf01> How? 12:48:20 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: has a job :o 12:48:43 <Eddi|zuHause> i already had a job... it was just not necessarily "day" :p 12:49:05 <Eddi|zuHause> (as in daily) 12:49:15 * andythenorth is always curious who does what here 12:49:22 <andythenorth> but never wants to ask, it would destroy the mystery 12:49:30 <andythenorth> Rubidium does something with trains 12:49:42 <andythenorth> pikka sometimes drives a bus 12:49:47 <Eddi|zuHause> i do weird things with chemistry... 12:49:49 <andythenorth> Dan sells collectables 12:50:10 <Eddi|zuHause> my previous job dealt with HCl 12:50:20 <Eddi|zuHause> and my new job deals with ink 12:50:51 <Eddi|zuHause> basically, they're building an industrial-size inkjet printer 12:52:15 <Eddi|zuHause> for things like wallpaper-patterns and stuff 12:52:53 <Eddi|zuHause> where their previous analogue technique is uneconomical for smaller batch-sizes, but demand for that increases 12:53:04 <frosch123> sounds militaristic 12:53:45 <frosch123> i think the company specialises in camouflaging buildings 12:57:53 *** HerzogDeXtEr has joined #openttd 12:59:37 <Wolf01> I do stuff sometime 12:59:54 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r27703 trunk/config.lib (2016-12-22 13:59:46 +0100 ) 12:59:55 <DorpsGek> -Change [FS#6532]: [gcc] Wnarrowing and Wfree-nonheap-object do no longer trigger in gcc 4.9.2, so reenable them. 13:02:10 *** Biolunar has quit IRC 13:05:24 * andythenorth is a capitalist 13:05:34 <andythenorth> and an exploiter of the workers 13:05:50 <frosch123> yes, you are brittish 13:06:40 <andythenorth> https://aspergercafe.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/lumbergh-come-in-on-saturday.jpg 13:27:38 *** Fatmice has quit IRC 13:40:40 *** maciozo has joined #openttd 13:55:50 *** Ttech has quit IRC 13:56:34 *** Ttech has joined #openttd 14:05:11 *** gelignite has quit IRC 14:27:20 *** Alberth has joined #openttd 14:27:20 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Alberth 14:27:26 <frosch123> o/ 14:27:44 <ZirconiumX> o/ 14:27:46 <crem_> moo/ 14:28:47 <Alberth> o/ 14:41:47 *** sim-al2 has quit IRC 14:49:33 <supermop__> yo 14:50:37 <supermop__> Eddi|zuHause: ive seen something like that in canada, for printing on wall panels 14:51:14 <supermop__> it was a huge flatbed from Oce, about 4m x 2.5m bed 14:51:56 <supermop__> most of their business was fake marble 15:10:36 <Wolf01> Mmmh, I have a dilemma, I'm making the game state manager for my game, but I want to keep it game-agnostic, as it is a component i 15:10:49 <Wolf01> I would like to use it for other projects 15:12:32 <Wolf01> I don't know how to go to menu after the gameplay, as the game scene doesn't know if there is another scene or the game is finished 15:13:05 <Wolf01> And I just call "next" after the current level is finished 15:15:39 <Wolf01> Maybe I need more things which run together, so it's not the gameplay scene which calls next but just tells "I've finished, do whatever you want now" 15:20:25 <Alberth> higher level game state manager? 15:21:13 <Alberth> (switching display sounds like game state :) ) 15:21:20 <Wolf01> Yes 15:22:44 <Alberth> in that case it should do whatever the higher level state manager expects to happen when one of its states is finished, I'd guess 15:24:20 <andythenorth> Wolf01: listener / subscriber? Pipeline? 15:24:34 <andythenorth> probably not an event system, probably a pipeline 15:25:09 <Wolf01> I can enqueue sequences of states when I need to play a game, for example "briefing, real game, post-game" 15:25:11 <andythenorth> [module_1, module_2, module_3] 15:25:36 <andythenorth> each module takes a lock on the pipeline until it yields, or is forcibly terminated 15:26:10 <Wolf01> *states -> scenes 15:28:41 <Wolf01> I've tried to make a sequence for every defined level and the menu as the last scene when loading the game, but what if I want to play a specific level or resume a previous game? 15:30:01 <andythenorth> dunno :) 15:30:36 <andythenorth> I figure that the answer is quite specific to the framework you’re using, it’s not a general programming principle :) 15:30:58 <andythenorth> in Flash there would have been scenes on a timeline, and you’d choose the scene 15:31:14 <andythenorth> and game state (lives, high scores etc) would be stored in an object on root 15:31:50 <Wolf01> I'm making a "framework", this is just a generic "how it should work" 15:32:23 <Alberth> you need to have some form of choosing between states 15:32:37 <supermop__> there are no nicely designed weed accoutrements like there are for cocktails, beer, tea, etc 15:32:50 <supermop__> no japanese brass cast items 15:33:02 <andythenorth> supermop__: lots of funky glass shapes, though no? 15:33:12 <andythenorth> and magic rolling tins and cutters and so on? 15:33:16 <andythenorth> or is that just where I live? 15:33:18 <supermop__> andythenorth: those are ugly as hell 15:33:35 <supermop__> and yes we have a lot, but i would not give them as a gift 15:33:36 <andythenorth> well smoking a lot and having good taste aren’t mutually dependent 15:33:46 <supermop__> haha unfortunately 15:34:08 <supermop__> thankfully i'm no longer close friends with any stereo typical stoners 15:35:00 <supermop__> but i do have one in law im struggling to get a gift for, who like minimal design, doesn't drink, already has all the kitchen gear he needs 15:35:09 <supermop__> but does like weed 15:35:49 <supermop__> now that is not taboo here, you don't need fancy incense to cover smell, so can't gift that 15:36:59 <supermop__> need some of those fancy weed chocolates from colorado i guess, but illegal to ship interstate 15:38:47 <Alberth> have xmas in colorado :) 15:39:29 <supermop__> Alberth: flights are probably expensive this late 15:39:34 <supermop__> but good idea 15:40:36 <supermop__> i read an interesting article about how legalization movement here is finally leading designers to work on all this head shop stuff that for decades seemed to be intentionally ugly 15:40:43 <Alberth> bring family, and there's your present already :) 15:41:33 <supermop__> i think the reason i never smoked was that in highschool the stuff seemed so ugly and tacky that it put me off 15:45:10 <Alberth> they found out a war on drugs is not winnable? 15:45:39 <supermop__> Alberth: except in the design facet 16:28:14 <andythenorth> what’s the utility of the published checksum on the ottd download pages? 16:29:13 <Wolf01> To check the validity of what you got 16:29:49 <andythenorth> what’s the proposed vector it defends against? 3rd party download sites? 16:29:50 <Wolf01> As the game could be downloaded from an external mirror which may be compromised 16:30:14 <frosch123> i think the checksum is https, while the file is http 16:30:39 <Wolf01> The file is https too 16:30:50 <frosch123> also from the mirrors? 16:31:22 <Wolf01> It links binaries.openttd.org, I don't know what binaries do on it's own 16:32:04 *** maciozo_ has joined #openttd 16:33:09 <Wolf01> Mmmmh, 4 commits in a row of just moving code around, no effective change 16:33:33 * andythenorth puts the tinfoil hat back in the cupboard 16:33:56 <Wolf01> And I can't figure out how to remove a dependency 16:35:17 <Wolf01> I have a stupid dependency injection container which is needed when constructing the scenes... I might need to move it on an external project too 16:36:40 *** maciozo has quit IRC 16:36:42 *** maciozo_ is now known as maciozo 16:47:39 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 16:49:54 *** grumbel has joined #openttd 16:50:12 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 16:54:32 *** plp has joined #openttd 17:11:56 *** Flygon has quit IRC 17:21:26 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 17:59:10 *** glx has joined #openttd 17:59:10 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v glx 18:00:20 *** Stimrol has quit IRC 18:01:35 *** Stimrol has joined #openttd 18:03:47 *** grumbel has quit IRC 18:08:07 <Wolf01> Shit classes and namespace name collisions :| 18:17:12 <peter1139> shit code 18:17:28 <peter1139> (as in, all code is shit) 18:18:44 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 18:19:16 *** TheMask96 has quit IRC 18:24:11 *** TheMask96 has joined #openttd 18:29:33 <LordAro> Wolf01: add underscores until it works 18:31:14 *** smoke_fumus has quit IRC 18:45:48 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r27704 /trunk/src/lang (3 files) (2016-12-22 19:45:38 +0100 ) 18:45:49 <DorpsGek> -Update from Eints: 18:45:50 <DorpsGek> welsh: 29 changes by kazzie 18:45:51 <DorpsGek> spanish: 2 changes by SilverSurferZzZ 18:45:52 <DorpsGek> russian: 13 changes by Lone_Wolf 18:53:46 <Wolf01> Remaking the whole solution to check for missing things... 19:09:33 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 19:11:49 * andythenorth wonders if it’s christmas yet 19:13:36 <Alberth> it's only winter today :) 19:14:34 <andythenorth> can santa bring me a {CARGO} string formatter? 19:14:40 <andythenorth> which takes the cargo label as parameter 19:15:39 <frosch123> there is CARGO_LIST 19:16:01 <frosch123> and you can pass parameters like 1 << COAL 19:17:44 <frosch123> hmm, or is that missing for newgrf? 19:21:06 <crem_> Is there a way to set a realistic time speed? So that one game year takes one real year. :) 19:23:07 <Alkel_U3> brutal daylength, with something like a 65536^2 map? :-) 19:23:36 *** Dakkus has quit IRC 19:27:16 *** Dakkus has joined #openttd 19:29:28 <Wolf01> Seem that I was able to move my project without problems 19:29:57 <Wolf01> It also automatically checked out the references 19:34:12 <andythenorth> NML doesn’t know CARGO_LIST 19:34:26 <frosch123> yes, it is also not in control_codes.h 19:34:42 <andythenorth> I can work around it, it’s just a bit ugly on the compile side 19:36:45 <andythenorth> I have the labels, I have to look up the strings 19:37:46 *** ZirconiumX has quit IRC 19:52:53 <frosch123> the command already exists for gs 19:53:55 <frosch123> hmm, i guess the reason it does not exist for newgrf is that you cannot pass a bitmask for 256 cargo translation table entries as parameter :p 19:54:24 <frosch123> so for newgrf we would have to make a slightly different command 19:54:49 <frosch123> like limit it to 4 cargos, and then packing them into a dword parameter 19:55:22 <frosch123> since industries accept at most 3 cargos, i guess a parameter to display 4 cargos should be fine 19:55:33 <andythenorth> seems plausible 19:55:48 <frosch123> actually, in that case... maybe rather a command to display a single cargo instead of a list 19:56:14 <frosch123> industries know their cargos, unlike vehicles which display: refitteable to all but a,b,c,d,e,f 19:56:29 <andythenorth> my use case is definitely single cargo from industry 19:56:31 <andythenorth> nothing else 19:56:39 <frosch123> single cargo without amount? 19:56:53 <andythenorth> no amount 19:57:04 <andythenorth> there are enough formatters for amounts I think 19:57:10 <frosch123> yep :p 20:12:24 <frosch123> andythenorth: https://paste.openttdcoop.org/pyey7yzjx?/pyey7yzjx https://paste.openttdcoop.org/pu3qrnwrg?/pu3qrnwrg <- try those 20:12:36 <frosch123> ottd, nml, eints, ... what else would need patching? 20:12:47 <frosch123> (not nforenum) 20:12:53 <andythenorth> docs? 20:13:02 <frosch123> yeah :p 20:13:40 * andythenorth eating right now, but will test ASAP 20:14:16 *** zwamkat has quit IRC 20:19:54 *** zwamkat has joined #openttd 20:22:57 <__ln__> does anyone think Super Mario Run is a good game? 20:26:44 <andythenorth> haven’t played it 20:26:49 <andythenorth> my kids will probably want it 20:30:17 <Wolf01> https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=75607 I'm rofl thinking how much we'll ruin this guy's life XD 20:37:11 *** BluesInTheNet has joined #openttd 20:45:12 *** Alberth has left #openttd 20:47:48 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r27705 trunk/src/table/control_codes.h (2016-12-22 21:47:40 +0100 ) 20:47:49 <DorpsGek> -Doc: Add the hex codes to the SCC_NEWGRF_ enum entries. 21:06:33 *** Gja has joined #openttd 21:12:15 *** Wormnest_ has joined #openttd 21:19:16 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 21:22:23 <andythenorth> frosch123: sorry haven’t tested yet, wrapping christmas presents :P 21:22:41 <frosch123> i also still need to do that :) 21:22:58 <Lejving> plastic bag, duct tape, black marker 21:23:03 <Lejving> all you need for wrapping presents 21:24:42 <frosch123> i also have a sand+cement option 21:28:29 <supermop__> frosch123: that sounds good to me 21:28:53 <supermop__> give a stone chisel and sledge hammer to open with 21:34:45 <Rubidium> supermop__: nah, just put the chisel and hammel in the cement like http://1.media.collegehumor.cvcdn.com/25/93/b640a67486394c89dbc9168f454b070d-package-opener-inside-hard-to-open-package.jpg 21:37:03 <supermop__> ha 21:43:10 *** supermop has joined #openttd 21:49:07 *** supermop__ has quit IRC 22:07:58 * andythenorth bed 22:08:00 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 22:08:55 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 22:10:06 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 22:23:52 *** sim-al2 has joined #openttd 22:33:23 *** Wormnest_ has quit IRC 22:35:56 *** welshdragon has joined #openttd 22:38:04 *** Supercheese has joined #openttd 22:38:11 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 22:39:36 *** welshdragon has joined #openttd 22:41:31 <_dp_> Hi! Do toyland cargo types only exist in toyland? Can't make my industry to produce BUBL in other climates 22:42:18 <_dp_> It's not even treating it as invalid cargo, idustry simply doesn't produce anything and gets closed 22:43:36 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 22:43:46 <supermop> seems like should be able to produce them in other climates, none of the other cargoes are climate specific 22:46:22 *** welshdragon has joined #openttd 22:46:23 <_dp_> well, I did this: http://pastebin.com/xqqtdwBz 22:46:38 <_dp_> it produces pax in all climates, but bubbles only in toyland 22:54:57 <Redirect_Left> I love the image of passengers becoming equal to bubbles 22:57:42 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 23:00:09 *** welshdragon has joined #openttd 23:02:37 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 23:05:47 *** welshdragon has joined #openttd 23:19:01 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 has joined #openttd 23:20:00 <Wolf01> http://www.commitstrip.com/en/2016/12/22/terminal-forever/ yes. 23:24:41 *** HerzogDeXtEr has quit IRC 23:25:43 <_dp_> ok, looks like it does SetupCargoForClimate, so it never sets up default cargo if it doesn't match the climate 23:49:50 *** Flygon has joined #openttd 23:50:00 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 23:52:04 *** welshdragon has joined #openttd 23:52:14 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 23:53:04 *** welshdragon has joined #openttd 23:56:39 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 23:56:55 *** welshdragon has joined #openttd 23:59:09 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 23:59:30 *** welshdragon has joined #openttd