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3.6.0 I guess 13:15:16 <Alberth> never heard of .whl files 13:15:23 <V453000> http://www.lfd.uci.edu/~gohlke/pythonlibs/#pillow 13:15:28 <V453000> yeah me neither 13:15:43 <Alberth> likely you need the python version that the pillow was build against 13:16:02 <Alberth> newest isn't terribly relevant, in most cases 13:16:04 <V453000> I read something about using pip to get it 13:17:31 <Alberth> Pip entry lists the command to get pip, it seems 13:18:04 *** Progman_ has joined #openttd 13:19:36 *** Progman has quit IRC 13:19:43 *** Progman_ is now known as Progman 13:21:23 <V453000> I hate this shit 13:21:23 <Alberth> bbl 13:21:24 <V453000> ._. 13:21:27 <V453000> cya later 13:21:40 *** Alberth has left #openttd 13:24:36 *** tycoondemon2 has joined #openttd 13:28:04 <V453000> nice I got it to work :> 13:29:37 *** tycoondemon has quit IRC 13:45:56 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 13:48:17 *** Maraxus has quit IRC 13:50:21 *** dvim has joined #openttd 14:01:55 *** tycoondemon2 has quit IRC 14:13:00 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 14:18:28 <andythenorth> V453000 o/ 14:28:51 <V453000> hi andythenorth 14:29:02 <V453000> finally wrote my 32bpp->8bpp converter 14:29:11 <andythenorth> awesomes 14:29:16 * andythenorth haz questions 14:29:33 <V453000> https://paste.openttdcoop.org/pli93asmy 14:29:36 <V453000> nice :D 14:29:45 <V453000> wat questionz 14:29:53 <V453000> ... the script isn't final but it basically works 14:30:10 <V453000> the problem now is that for example brix bridges have 53 megapixels 14:30:12 <V453000> takes a while 14:30:29 <andythenorth> can imagine 14:30:47 <andythenorth> you can use multiprocessing pool if there are multiple images 14:30:57 <V453000> :0 14:30:59 <andythenorth> 1 image per worker 14:31:05 <V453000> well here the problem is 1 image XD 14:31:08 <V453000> but yeah 14:31:15 <andythenorth> more CPU 14:31:22 <andythenorth> python won’t be fast for massive images 14:31:25 <V453000> I plan a couple more features and flexibilities 14:31:28 <V453000> right 14:31:30 <andythenorth> dunno if ImageMagick is faster, but eh 14:31:36 <V453000> is there a way to run python on gpu? 14:31:57 <andythenorth> there’s some PyCUDA thing 14:31:59 <andythenorth> https://developer.nvidia.com/how-to-cuda-python 14:32:06 <V453000> https://developer.nvidia.com/how-to-cuda-python 14:32:08 <V453000> eh 14:32:09 <V453000> yes 14:32:28 <V453000> got a titan x at work 14:32:30 <V453000> fast as fuck 14:32:37 <V453000> 980Ti at home isn't bad either 14:32:51 <andythenorth> probably only speeds up certain kind of python ops, is my guess 14:32:58 <andythenorth> might work eh? 14:33:03 <andythenorth> also 14:33:20 <andythenorth> _if_ I made an OpenTTD fork, and used it to start deleting things 14:33:21 <V453000> idk will try eventually 14:33:24 <andythenorth> what would I delete? 14:33:43 <V453000> cargodist 14:34:03 <andythenorth> 4x sprites? 14:34:06 <andythenorth> 32bpp? 14:34:10 <andythenorth> timetables? 14:34:23 <V453000> eh all of those 3 have some use 14:34:28 <andythenorth> everything has some use :) 14:34:28 <V453000> cargodist has none 14:44:03 <V453000> hm half an hour and I have 20M pixels done 14:44:07 <V453000> 33 to go XD 14:44:13 <V453000> 90min for 1 picture 14:44:21 <frosch123> andythenorth: remove cargodist, presignals, timetables, flat maps, town growth and ais. then check what is left for anyone to play with 14:44:26 <V453000> alpha should be automatically skipped 14:44:44 <V453000> frosch is forgetting PBS 14:44:59 <andythenorth> frosch123: I can’t tell how serious you are :P 14:45:19 <frosch123> V453000: no, i was trying to piss off all interest groups equally, so i had to remove presignals and keep pbs 14:45:27 <andythenorth> someone gave me the idea recently that 4x zoom and 32bpp might have been a misstep :) 14:45:29 <V453000> XD 14:45:55 <andythenorth> fragmenting the add-ons == less community? 14:45:55 <V453000> well it's shit but it doesn't mean it needs removing 14:45:56 <andythenorth> dunno 14:46:08 <V453000> well, forking openttd = less community? :P 14:46:11 <frosch123> andythenorth: everyone is happy about 2x zoom, once 4k screens become the standard everyone will think the same about 4x 14:46:17 <andythenorth> I never even tried simutrans because the paks are so confusing 14:46:24 <V453000> implementing 32bpp incompatible with previous attempts = less community? :P 14:46:26 <frosch123> 4x is just a bit ahead of the time 14:46:41 <V453000> yes 14:46:44 <andythenorth> V453000: maybe that yes ^^ 14:47:05 <V453000> the screen resolutions are probably only going to increase 14:47:18 <V453000> most ridiculous part is that smaller devices seem to have higher resolution 14:47:21 <V453000> which is just wtf 14:47:25 <V453000> 4k laptop, suuure 14:47:34 <andythenorth> I had some chat with pl*netmaker on forum pm 14:47:36 <V453000> 2K 13 inch tablet 14:47:42 <andythenorth> I am curious why there are 5 of us left contributing 14:47:51 <andythenorth> like, what keeps us motivated? o_O 14:47:52 <frosch123> the first 4k devices i saw were 4" smartphones 14:47:57 <V453000> you mean it should be less or more? :D 14:48:06 <V453000> well yeah frosch123 14:48:06 <V453000> wtf 14:48:21 <V453000> I probably haven't seen a 4k phone yet but I don't follow phones much 14:49:40 <V453000> andythenorth: idk, I always return to openttd stuff mainly because it taught me so much until now, that I always see more potential 14:49:46 <V453000> and I haven't been mistaken so far 14:49:53 <frosch123> andythenorth: imho the trick has always been to find intersections between your own interests and other's interests 14:50:00 <V453000> apart from that, dreams need to be completed 14:50:36 <andythenorth> I never get bored because I’m playing a metagame against myself 14:50:45 <andythenorth> and I’m a massive narcissist 14:51:01 <andythenorth> i.e. I always see what I got wrong, and have to beat my mistakes 14:52:54 <V453000> "wrong" :) 14:53:21 <andythenorth> V453000: you do same eh :P 14:53:36 <V453000> kind of, yeah 14:53:51 <V453000> struggling with finding time lately, but yeah 14:54:02 <andythenorth> [life] 14:54:11 <andythenorth> getting things wrong in DLC is fine 14:54:18 <andythenorth> leave the old one on bananas, new grfid, move on 14:54:25 <andythenorth> or change it, same grfid, piss some people off 14:54:37 <andythenorth> but OpenTTD has no room for people to fail eh :P 14:54:45 <andythenorth> and no way to reverse mistakes 14:54:55 <V453000> good point actually 14:55:03 <andythenorth> reading between the lines of what pm said, it’s quite overwhelming being a maintainer 14:55:12 <andythenorth> and there’s no upside, no thanks, not much positive feedback 14:55:33 <V453000> well yes 14:55:40 <V453000> kind of to be expected tbh 14:55:45 <andythenorth> unstable, immature software is much more fun to work on 14:55:52 <V453000> it's tough and hard, but people don't have the direct contact with you 14:56:04 <Lejving> that's what she said 14:56:24 <V453000> for example when I make newgrfs, there is always someone at coop who will like it 14:56:38 *** Alberth has joined #openttd 14:56:38 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Alberth 14:56:42 <V453000> it's not like I am making the newgrfs for anybody else really :) 14:57:09 <Alberth> o/ 14:57:13 <andythenorth> I am mostly making for myself 14:57:30 <andythenorth> but can’t ignore the upside of nice feedback e 14:57:31 <andythenorth> eh 14:57:35 <Alberth> I think most authors do that :) 14:58:04 <V453000> well sure 14:58:18 <V453000> for me it's that coop basically follows my ideas so it's for me=coop 14:58:50 <frosch123> V found someone to do his hobby for him, without pay 14:59:37 <Alberth> first peak preview at all the marvellous V graphics :) 15:00:00 <Alberth> *peek 15:00:53 <frosch123> Alberth: 5 years ago i only knew V for drinking beer, then somehow he started making grfs, and now he works as an artist 15:01:03 <frosch123> so weird :p 15:01:19 <V453000> :D 15:01:24 <V453000> nice progression 15:01:46 <V453000> also you just made me realize it's been 6-7 years since I started working on nuts 15:01:49 <V453000> O_O 15:02:10 <V453000> anyway back later 15:02:20 <V453000> hopefully pc won't catch on fire XD 30Mpix done 15:02:26 <V453000> cya later 15:03:06 <frosch123> oh, i think it's 10 years since i started reading into nfo spec, and writing forum pms to dalestan; who then (correctly) flamed me for not asking support questions on public 15:03:23 <andythenorth> oh he did that to you too :) 15:03:26 <andythenorth> we should compare the flame 15:03:35 <andythenorth> it was a fairly unique style 15:03:37 <frosch123> i don't flame people when they send support questions via pm or email, i just ignore them 15:04:00 <andythenorth> I found being flamed quite encouraging 15:04:52 <frosch123> why do i have 4 pages of pms on forums? i do not remember writing them 15:05:12 <andythenorth> I have ridiculous number :P 15:05:44 <andythenorth> I sent 65 pages of pms :o 15:05:51 <andythenorth> that is more wtf than I expected 15:06:03 <Alberth> there is this "delete" feature :p 15:07:39 <frosch123> Alberth: that's lying 15:07:49 <Alberth> :O 15:08:51 <frosch123> like when people argued on the forums: when there are no active ttdp devs, we should reset the bug tracker, so people can start fresh 15:09:17 <Alberth> rediscover all the open bugs :p 15:10:14 <Alberth> do like Fedora, close all bugs of a release after its EOL (2 years) 15:14:54 *** chomwitt has quit IRC 15:15:11 <frosch123> andythenorth: so you are close to the limit of 2000 pms? 15:17:28 *** supermop_home has joined #openttd 15:17:56 <andythenorth> frosch123: yes I had to delete some recently 15:18:08 <andythenorth> maybe that’s where the Dalestan flame went :) 15:18:40 <andythenorth> some of the flyspray bugs are just noise now 15:18:43 *** maciozo has joined #openttd 15:18:53 <andythenorth> I started reading them and commenting on ones I thought were closable 15:18:56 <supermop_home> good morning 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*** Milek7 has joined #openttd 17:21:54 *** FruitSalad has joined #openttd 17:22:03 <FruitSalad> Jinassi? 17:25:33 *** Milek7_ has quit IRC 17:35:38 <Alberth> V453000: https://paste.openttdcoop.org/p1l57xrf7 fazzter pixzelz 17:37:33 <V453000> can you send me a non-diff thing pls? :) 17:39:35 *** orudge` has quit IRC 17:39:39 *** orudge` has joined #openttd 17:39:39 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o orudge` 17:40:18 <Alberth> https://paste.openttdcoop.org/psgnsq161 V453000 17:40:27 <Alberth> don't paste it over your old version 17:40:28 <V453000> tyvm 17:40:36 <Alberth> I hacked some stuff to get it running 17:40:45 <V453000> just need to see, a factorio human is also helping me optimize :D 17:41:17 <Alberth> bit of C code would do wonders :p 17:41:30 <V453000> thanks :) let's see how far can I push it 17:41:43 <V453000> very interested to see how much difference will also the PyCUDA do 17:42:07 <Alberth> if it works, it should be day vs night :) 17:42:37 <Alberth> never programmed a GPU for doing calculations 17:42:47 <Alberth> not sure how that would work 17:42:52 <V453000> is pretty much what I'm thinking 17:43:57 <Alberth> I guess you could run the minimization algorithm for each palette value in parallel, pretty much instantly getting the winner 17:44:46 <Alberth> but is higher OpenGL wizardry than my capabilities :) 17:47:15 <V453000> I have 2 rooms of programmers next to me every day 17:47:21 <V453000> will figure shit out 17:47:39 <V453000> but thank you so much, I'll try to read it and attempt understanding 17:49:41 <Alberth> ok, otherwise, just ask 17:54:27 <Alberth> why don't you make a palette image immediately btw? 17:54:51 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r27743 trunk/src/viewport_gui.cpp (2017-02-05 18:54:46 +0100 ) 17:54:52 <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#6537]: Extra viewports did not center on the selected tile. (hackalittlebit) 17:55:04 <Alberth> "out image" is still a RGBA image 17:55:09 <V453000> Alberth: just didn't do it yet 17:55:24 <Alberth> oh, fair enough :) 17:55:34 *** kais58 has quit IRC 17:55:35 <V453000> considering it easier, just a matter of if the 8bpp module works 17:55:45 <V453000> worst case scenario I can re-save it in photoshop 18:00:17 *** tycoondemon has joined #openttd 18:19:46 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 18:23:56 *** glx has joined #openttd 18:23:56 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v glx 18:24:06 <andythenorth> my screen no longer quite lines up with the base of my laptop :D 18:24:12 <andythenorth> it’s out by about 1mm 18:28:19 <V453000> Alberth: fuken programming :D. Cube says that the main optimization will be using a different function to load the image pixels 18:28:25 <V453000> http://effbot.org/zone/pil-pixel-access.htm 18:29:36 <andythenorth> PIL is particularly…special 18:29:55 <V453000> this pillow 18:30:09 <V453000> I heard many times from our programmers that PIL was old trash and pillow better 18:30:19 <andythenorth> there’s not a vast difference 18:30:28 <andythenorth> pillow is just better packaged, and builds reliably 18:30:33 <andythenorth> so installations don’t fail 18:30:34 <andythenorth> afaik 18:30:49 <andythenorth> PIL was almost guaranteed to make a build fail :P 18:31:13 <V453000> well that alone sounds like a good improvement :D 18:31:29 <andythenorth> it was ;) 18:31:36 <andythenorth> hmm, seems I use point() already :( 18:31:40 <andythenorth> can’t go any faster 18:31:56 *** markasoftware has joined #openttd 18:32:15 <andythenorth> graphics processing is about 11s for Sam :( 18:32:21 <andythenorth> super annoyingly slow 18:32:43 <V453000> .. 18:35:40 <andythenorth> I should find out what’s slow eh 18:35:54 <andythenorth> it’s only 2MB of images 18:36:58 <andythenorth> woah, Sam grf is 3MB :O 18:37:20 <andythenorth> and it contains only a fraction of the sprites :o 18:37:47 * andythenorth is clearly on a path to V453000 grf sizes 18:38:02 <V453000> XD 18:38:23 <andythenorth> all of Squid is 1.2MB 18:38:30 <andythenorth> cargo sprites eh :P 18:39:49 <Alberth> hope that pixels access works out 18:40:23 <Alberth> but a dedicated C program to convert 32bpp to a palette helps better, I think :p 18:40:32 <V453000> mhf :D 18:40:42 <V453000> he also says this is written in C http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3114925/pil-convert-rgb-image-to-a-specific-8-bit-palette/3115245#3115245 18:40:43 <Alberth> it's probably not even much different from your code 18:40:48 <V453000> but I don't understand how does that work for shit 18:40:51 <V453000> yet 18:45:13 <Alberth> http://pillow.readthedocs.io/en/latest/reference/Image.html#PIL.Image.Image.convert not the least square, it seems 18:49:26 *** FruitSalad has left #openttd 18:49:42 *** FruitSalad has joined #openttd 18:50:24 <Alberth> if you can do it in one or two pillow calls, you're basically having a C implementation 18:50:37 <Alberth> all those routines are written in C, afaik 18:51:12 *** FruitSalad has quit IRC 18:52:53 *** Biolunar_ has quit IRC 19:01:55 *** supermop_home has quit IRC 19:13:13 *** supermop_home has joined #openttd 19:31:01 *** orudge` has quit IRC 19:31:06 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 19:31:24 *** orudge` has joined #openttd 19:31:24 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o orudge` 19:35:07 *** FLHerne has joined #openttd 19:45:53 *** chomwitt has joined #openttd 19:47:57 *** Alberth has left #openttd 19:48:44 *** Compu has quit IRC 19:51:54 *** andythenorth has left #openttd 19:52:32 *** Compu has joined #openttd 19:56:57 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 19:57:36 <Wolf01> Moin 20:18:58 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 20:21:36 *** Snail has joined #openttd 20:22:08 <Wolf01> https://twitter.com/tanufuku/status/828166969060782082/video/1 omg... 20:22:35 <Wolf01> Imagine it with ottd windows 20:22:53 <Wolf01> 10 viewports, 5 toolbars 20:24:25 <__ln__> ottd doesn't even really support dualscreen yet 20:33:09 *** FLHerne_ has joined #openttd 20:33:09 *** FLHerne has quit IRC 20:53:25 <Eddi|zuHause> the main problem with hololens is that you need to move your head and can't just move your eyes 20:58:05 *** sim-al2 has joined #openttd 21:01:46 <Wolf01> Same with TrackIR, but people use it 21:02:33 *** srhnsn has quit IRC 21:03:06 <markasoftware> trackir you barely have to move your head though 21:03:15 <markasoftware> with hololons you have to move it 360 degrees 21:03:26 <markasoftware> trackir moves the view on screen more than your head turns 21:03:51 <Wolf01> I think TrackIR is customizable 21:04:34 <Wolf01> BTW, is this hate? 21:04:50 <__ln__> only danish people can turn their head 360 degrees 21:09:25 <Snail> argh… I really wish my point had been taken more seriously 21:09:26 <Snail> https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=75406 21:09:34 <Snail> this thing has incredibly complicated my code 21:23:38 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 21:27:50 *** zeknurn has quit IRC 21:37:44 *** Ethereal_Whisper has joined #openttd 21:42:55 *** Tharbakim has quit IRC 21:44:14 *** Tharbakim has joined #openttd 22:02:01 *** ZirconiumX has quit IRC 22:06:52 *** Extrems has quit IRC 22:09:30 *** zeknurn has joined #openttd 22:09:53 *** Extrems has joined #openttd 22:14:12 *** maciozo has quit IRC 22:18:10 <V453000> Alberth" did you try to run the thing? 22:18:40 <V453000> the for z, (cr, cg, cb) in enumerate(p): seems to give me an error "ValueError: too many values to unpack (expected 3) 22:18:42 <V453000> oh 22:18:43 <V453000> he not here 22:18:46 <V453000> laters :D 22:25:41 <V453000> gonna try the pixel access objects tomorrow 22:25:43 <V453000> :> 22:43:09 *** gelignite has quit IRC 22:49:48 *** Progman has quit IRC 22:55:10 *** matt11235 has quit IRC 22:55:17 *** abculatter_2 has joined #openttd 22:56:16 <abculatter_2> Hey, I'm having a problem with ECS not having all cargos and industries when installed? 22:56:51 <abculatter_2> Also, the latest linux Debian seems to point to version 1.5.3, not 1.6 22:59:14 *** Supercheese has joined #openttd 23:04:57 <Eddi|zuHause> V453000: check what "p" looks like... 23:20:55 *** FLHerne_ has quit IRC 23:21:33 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 has joined #openttd 23:26:37 *** Gja has quit IRC 23:28:13 *** HerzogDeXtEr has quit IRC 23:41:07 *** JezK_ has joined #openttd 23:52:15 *** Wormnest has quit IRC