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o_O 12:05:30 *** Lejving has quit IRC 12:08:51 *** tokai has joined #openttd 12:08:52 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai 12:15:25 *** tokai|noir has quit IRC 12:18:23 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 12:34:15 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 12:34:55 <Wolf01> o/ 12:45:24 *** Lejving has joined #openttd 13:10:49 *** DDR has quit IRC 13:32:02 *** sim-al2 has joined #openttd 13:37:40 *** Snail has joined #openttd 13:55:03 *** Snail has quit IRC 14:02:56 *** ZirconiumX has joined #openttd 14:07:01 *** Deactivated has quit IRC 14:30:42 <supermop_> yo 14:57:38 *** roidal has joined #openttd 15:19:48 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 15:20:29 <andythenorth> o/ 15:22:24 <supermop_> YO 15:22:32 <supermop_> i have played steeltown 15:23:03 <supermop_> not recently though and can't recall any quirks off the top of my head 15:28:46 <andythenorth> I think it’s too faceted and complex 15:28:58 <andythenorth> it’s not bad, but it needs tweaks 15:29:23 <supermop_> extreme is also complex and some people like it 15:29:40 <V453000> my ass is faceted and complex 15:29:50 <supermop_> i like the thematic coherence 15:30:07 <supermop_> i have to say, extreme blk terminals are really boring 15:30:09 <andythenorth> V453000: pictures or it didn’t happen 15:31:15 <V453000> nsfw https://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/8346/my-ass.png 15:31:27 *** supermop has joined #openttd 15:32:04 <V453000> nice supermop even joining twice to see it 15:32:22 <supermop_> gotta see it twice 15:32:54 <V453000> i get it 15:32:55 <supermop_> v complex & facets 15:33:18 <V453000> are facets the opposite of assets? 15:33:26 <V453000> is cat? 15:33:55 * andythenorth is not clicking that link 15:34:26 <V453000> it's not that dangerous andy 15:34:34 <V453000> what can possibly go wrong 15:34:39 *** HerzogDeXtEr has joined #openttd 15:35:49 <andythenorth> I have seen goatse before 15:35:54 <andythenorth> there is no need to repeat 15:36:08 <V453000> do you really think I would post a picture of self? 15:36:15 <V453000> just shittin pixels 15:36:41 <andythenorth> such pixels 15:37:53 *** supermop_home has quit IRC 15:38:08 <andythenorth> supermop_: too many port industries 15:38:10 <andythenorth> too weird 15:38:14 <andythenorth> also aluminium is pointless 15:38:43 <supermop_> i guess its easy for bootstrapping 15:38:46 <V453000> omg he's reworking firs again 15:38:56 <andythenorth> such economies 15:40:00 <supermop_> buy one 6 tile, chinook hauled rake at game start and send to an alu plant about 100 tiles away and you are already all set 15:40:20 <andythenorth> hmm 15:40:33 <andythenorth> but the aluminium cargo is daft no? 15:40:48 <andythenorth> it doesn’t produce anything useful further up the chain 15:40:48 <supermop_> i mean in regular firs, where its just metal 15:40:52 <andythenorth> oh yeah that’s fine 15:41:05 <supermop_> it kind of cuts out steel mill 15:41:09 <andythenorth> firs is firs is firs 15:41:23 * andythenorth been playtesting Steeltown 15:42:00 <supermop_> because the alu plant will go 8/8 from the firs delivery, never need scrap, never need to balance deliveries of input cargos 15:42:28 <supermop_> * first delivery 15:43:33 <supermop_> the bulk terminal might as well be the aluminum import terminal 15:45:57 <supermop_> i dont recall how steeltown alu works 15:45:58 <supermop_> brb 15:51:15 *** Striek has joined #openttd 15:57:19 *** Sova has quit IRC 16:03:47 *** Alberth has joined #openttd 16:03:48 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Alberth 16:03:56 <Alberth> o/ 16:05:00 <V453000> yo Alberth 16:05:09 <V453000> the thing you sent makes no sense to me but I will try to understand it later :D 16:05:22 <V453000> for speed I'll probably rewrite the whole thing to a different system 16:05:44 <V453000> for better colour distance calc I have multiple plans, let's see 16:06:02 <V453000> but what was the point of your red grouping thing? 16:10:50 <Alberth> basically, what I try to do is to try 'nearby' colours first, before trying 'further away' colours 16:11:31 <Alberth> the nearby colours give a good 'best_distance', so you can discard most colours, just based on the squared red distance 16:11:42 <V453000> but it goes through all colours anyway? 16:12:20 <Alberth> not likely, but it was too complicated to chop off the palette colours that are never feasible 16:12:29 <V453000> right 16:12:35 <Alberth> but you do get the same results as you get now 16:13:10 <Alberth> I start with colours that have mostly the same red component 16:13:20 <V453000> well it's interesting but I will probably continue using what I have now and try to rewrite it into the numpy thing I have no idea about so far 16:13:35 <Alberth> further down the list, the red component distance grows 16:14:00 <Alberth> if it is bigger than the best_distance that you have, you can stop 16:14:35 <Alberth> which probably saves you 3/4 or so of the computation 16:14:45 <V453000> I see 16:14:54 <Alberth> depending on the distribution of the palette colours 16:15:04 <V453000> the idea is certainly interesting, I'll see if I can re-use it later on 16:15:07 <V453000> yes 16:25:10 *** Gja has joined #openttd 16:25:46 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 16:40:13 <peter1138> fml, £770 for an upgrade to i7 :( 17:31:37 <supermop_> ok 17:56:27 *** Progman has joined #openttd 17:59:57 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 18:01:07 *** glx has joined #openttd 18:01:07 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v glx 18:05:00 *** frosch123 has joined #openttd 18:09:46 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 18:10:49 <supermop_> so my first action upon getting spotify finally is to listen to a bunch of late 70s funk i never got around to listening to before 18:11:58 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 18:32:06 <Alberth> hi hi 18:57:23 <andythenorth> lo Alberth 19:06:20 <Wolf01> o/ 19:07:29 *** Arveen|Work is now known as Arveen|Home 19:24:39 *** Maraxus has joined #openttd 19:25:51 <andythenorth> such newgrfs 19:26:15 <V453000> 64bpp? 19:26:19 <V453000> is enuf? 19:26:50 <andythenorth> moar 19:27:03 <V453000> thought so 19:27:10 <andythenorth> my game is full of ridiculous broken 19:27:17 <andythenorth> broken industries, broken ships, broken trains 19:27:19 <andythenorth> broken RVs 19:27:23 <V453000> XD 19:27:27 <andythenorth> is price of making own grfs :) 19:30:28 <V453000> is. 19:32:37 <andythenorth> I think I add new broken faster than I fix it 19:32:42 <andythenorth> situation getting out of hand :) 19:37:56 *** Maraxus has quit IRC 19:51:28 * andythenorth won SV 19:51:30 <andythenorth> only silve 19:51:33 <andythenorth> silver * 20:00:35 *** roidal has quit IRC 20:04:20 <Alberth> it's called SilVer :) 20:05:00 <Alberth> gold is just a red herring :p 20:08:14 <andythenorth> :P 20:09:15 <andythenorth> Red Herring is a good GS name 20:09:18 <andythenorth> not sure what it does 20:16:05 <andythenorth> so major contributors in medium past….mostly students? o_O 20:17:46 <frosch123> in particular graduating students 20:17:57 <frosch123> for some reason you have time while writing your thesis 20:18:47 * andythenorth wonders post-2008, students have no time any more 20:19:12 <andythenorth> dunno, don’t know many students 20:19:19 <andythenorth> are they all working jobs as well as studying? 20:19:41 *** Speedy` has joined #openttd 20:19:57 *** Speedy has quit IRC 20:19:59 <frosch123> why "post 2008"? 20:20:02 *** Speedy` is now known as Speedy 20:20:06 <andythenorth> global financial crisis 20:20:10 <andythenorth> might be irrelevant 20:20:13 <andythenorth> just an idea :) 20:20:31 <frosch123> i don't think there is any international thing which would affects students 20:20:41 <Alberth> V453000: it's indeed faster, from 78 to 19 seconds here 20:20:53 <Alberth> 3/4 wasn't that far off :p 20:20:54 <frosch123> i think students are rather affected by how the courses are organised 20:21:08 <frosch123> which changed around 2008 in germany funnily :p 20:21:09 <andythenorth> I see :) 20:21:22 <frosch123> so i wondered about your 2008 :p 20:23:08 <andythenorth> :) 20:23:11 * andythenorth wonders if OpenTTD is a good way to learn software engineering 20:23:33 <Alberth> if you want to learn code refactoring, yes 20:24:36 <Alberth> if you want to learn writing clean code from scratch, a lot less 20:24:53 <andythenorth> which is more like ‘real’ software engineering? o_O 20:25:11 <Alberth> I'd say code refactoring 20:25:18 <andythenorth> +1 20:25:47 <Alberth> but I am not so sure you can learn that if you can't write clean software from scratch, as that's the simpler case 20:27:04 <frosch123> not necessarily 20:27:27 <frosch123> a big existing code base allows you to focus on specific items 20:27:37 <frosch123> if you start from scratch you have to deal with all interfaces 20:27:44 <Alberth> good point 20:28:02 <Alberth> you can just use all the stuff that already exists and works 20:38:32 *** Biolunar has quit IRC 20:38:50 <V453000> Alberth: that's a lot :D 20:39:44 *** Speedy has quit IRC 20:40:15 *** Speedy` has joined #openttd 20:40:33 *** Speedy` is now known as Speedy 20:41:36 <Alberth> hmm, result is not identical, it has a few 'srcatches' for some reason 20:41:46 *** Gja has quit IRC 20:42:45 <Alberth> would need a bit closer checking 20:43:38 <Alberth> oh, the input image has it too, must have picked a different logo image 20:43:53 <Alberth> seems fine thus :) 20:44:54 <V453000> X 20:44:54 <V453000> D 20:44:57 <V453000> alright 20:44:59 <V453000> sounds great 20:45:56 <Alberth> but you first have to decide on your definition of "closest" , I think 20:46:11 <Alberth> which is simpler with a more naive algorithm 20:46:33 <V453000> yarr 20:47:01 <Alberth> for extra wtf, apply the same trick for green now :p 20:47:53 <Alberth> not sure if it helps, depends a bit on how many palette colours with the same red distance you have 20:48:09 <V453000> colleague gave me https://paste.openttdcoop.org/pp7zlu0cp today 20:48:24 <V453000> basically fucking the values up to match what eye does 20:48:36 <V453000> but I'll likely still try the CIEDE2000 20:48:44 <V453000> just to see 20:48:48 *** Speedy has quit IRC 20:49:22 <Alberth> I wondered about that idea too, seems worthwhile to try to weigh red changes heavier than eg blue 20:49:46 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 20:50:38 <Alberth> makes a colour comparison heavier, so less comparisons has bigger impact even :) 20:53:01 <V453000> haha 20:53:03 <Alberth> factor 3/4 sort of stays the same 20:54:37 *** Speedy` has joined #openttd 20:54:39 <Alberth> green looks like the biggest impact, so that should be what you sort on 20:54:58 *** Speedy` is now known as Speedy 21:02:20 <Alberth> it should be possible to establish an upper bound on the error of eg green, given a (small-ish) set of palette colours 21:05:13 <Alberth> then you can compute when you reach infeasible palette colours 21:05:46 <Alberth> only saves memory though, it won't reduce computations 21:17:29 *** Alberth has left #openttd 21:25:12 *** orudge`` has joined #openttd 21:25:22 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 21:25:22 *** orudge`` has quit IRC 21:27:52 *** gelignite has quit IRC 21:29:34 *** orudge` has quit IRC 21:44:07 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 21:44:49 *** FLHerne has joined #openttd 22:14:46 *** Progman has quit IRC 22:16:12 *** FLHerne_ has joined #openttd 22:18:08 *** FLHerne has quit IRC 22:20:09 *** Stimrol has quit IRC 22:25:30 *** FLHerne_ has quit IRC 22:25:50 *** FLHerne_ has joined #openttd 22:50:31 *** Gja has joined #openttd 22:57:15 *** matt11235 has quit IRC 23:01:29 *** markasoftware has joined #openttd 23:05:59 *** HerzogDeXtEr has quit IRC 23:13:17 *** Gja has quit IRC 23:19:00 *** Arveen has joined #openttd 23:24:39 *** Arveen|Home has quit IRC 23:25:18 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 23:34:21 *** JezK_ has joined #openttd 23:36:38 *** Striek has quit IRC 23:37:52 *** FLHerne has joined #openttd 23:41:15 *** maciozo has quit IRC 23:41:43 *** FLHerne_ has quit IRC 23:43:13 *** chomwitt1 has quit IRC 23:51:41 *** Striek has joined #openttd 23:52:11 *** ZirconiumX has quit IRC 23:55:57 *** Biolunar has joined #openttd