Log for #openttd on 5th April 2017:
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00:01:31  <ST2> well, to be honest I'll make a 360 (degrees) turn
00:02:01  <ST2> just to make sure
00:04:03  <ST2> was that a real 90 or a radius 90?
00:06:59  <peter1138> I recommend a 90°
00:07:14  <ST2> take it twice then ^^
00:07:27  <peter1138> (I guess you have a silly font that renders º the same as °)
00:07:47  <ST2> same as when I type  and 
00:08:01  <ST2> or  and 
00:09:17  <ST2> because I dnt think you get the numbers I typed above
00:10:08  <ST2> is there a neutral IRC application to clear this out?
00:11:50  <ST2> oh wait, peter1138: what irc client you use?
00:11:59  <peter1138> irssi
00:12:32  <peter1138> which doesn't care
00:12:36  <ST2> well, if you asked mine I would sent a link for download, as a cortesy
00:12:53  <peter1138> but all my terminals are utf8 as normal
00:13:11  <ST2> same as this bouncer
00:13:40  <ST2> and the client I use to connect to it
00:14:00  <peter1138> ok so what unicode code point did you use
00:14:19  <ST2> dnt go there
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00:24:02  <ST2> now I can ask the real questions: the Split on road_gui.cpp between road and tram stations, does it have any intentions or was only a GUI thing? (not seeing notroadtypes)
00:24:31  <ST2> or probably trams couldn't make 90's?
00:24:53  <ST2> @logs
00:24:53  <DorpsGek> ST2:
00:26:16  <peter1138> haha
00:27:01  <ST2> only wanted to see logs, if those  and  of yours had differences
00:27:31  <ST2> just to take notes
00:28:14  <glx> I see only question marks in black squares
00:28:38  <ST2> glx, better tell that to peter1138 ^^
00:29:11  <glx> but peter1138's ° are clear for me :)
00:29:49  <ST2> aren't here: 
00:30:27  <glx> unknown character
00:30:50  <glx> or invalid utf8
00:31:06  <ST2> was only a copy paste from what you typed ^^
00:31:36  <glx> seems you're not sending utf8 then
00:32:11  <ST2> or, example: . , 
00:32:20  <ST2> what appears to you?
00:32:38  <glx> still black squared question marks
00:33:09  <glx> I see the same things in the logs
00:35:24  <ST2> ok, let me grab my Linux box, just to test:
00:36:21  <JusT> same guy here: 90º, ã, ç, ä
00:36:45  <glx> now it's perfect
00:36:54  <ST2> good :)
00:37:04  <glx> oh even ç was wrong
00:37:19  <ST2> so, I own an appoligies to all of you: sorry :)
00:37:50  <peter1138> Although it was still the wrong character for ° :p
00:38:38  <ST2> on the other machine and client, all shows correct
00:38:49  <ST2> peter1138: sorry man :)
00:40:05  <ST2> dnt start now how I assumed your gender - 1st word was the matter :)
00:40:52  <glx> anyway there's no girls on internet ;)
00:41:19  <ST2> there are, but are FBI one... known xD
00:41:53  <ST2> there's many girls playing OpenTTD
00:42:03  <ST2> and I mean real ones
00:42:39  <ST2> but probably I spend more time on my community that on code things ^^
00:43:47  <ST2> there's even a woman that's admin on a community
00:44:43  <peter1138> gosh! women exist! shocking!
00:45:08  <ST2> peter1138: more that you know
00:45:36  <peter1138> and i know plenty
00:45:42  <ST2> note: still using old client, I'll try not to use symbols that confuse people :)
00:46:02  <ST2> peter1138: example?!
00:46:19  <peter1138> ST2, doesn't actually confuse anyway
00:46:35  <peter1138> ST2, just the pedants among us (all of us) will just keep correcting and annoying you :p
00:46:47  <ST2> hehe
00:46:47  <peter1138> well, my wife, for instance. she's a woman.
00:46:50  <glx> as long as it's in ASCII range it will display fine
00:47:16  <ST2> peter1138: your wife, what's her nickname on OpenTTD games?
00:47:28  <peter1138> oh she doesn't play ottd
00:47:48  <ST2> oh crap :S
00:48:14  <ST2> so, do you know any actual woman that play OpenTTD?
00:48:33  <peter1138> i know woman who have played it, yes
00:49:04  <ST2> that wasn.t my question ^^
00:50:01  <peter1138> as for people who play ottd, i don't know any one
00:50:06  <peter1138> it's like minecraft
00:50:10  <peter1138> everyone *used* to play it
00:50:44  <ST2> well,
00:50:59  <peter1138> they are not people i know though
00:51:06  <ST2> if a tournament won by a team, one was a woman
00:52:05  <peter1138> anyway
00:52:48  <peter1138> my comment of "gosh! women exist! shocking!" was more aimed at you writing "even a woman"
00:52:49  <ST2> yeah, I know, Communities are the Public Affairs for the game :)
00:53:56  <ST2> "was more aimed at you writing "even a woman"" - yeah, because Fathers Day Tourny was won... by a woman xD
00:54:04  <ST2> isn't that ironic?
00:54:12  <peter1138> is it?
00:54:16  <peter1138> do women not have fathers?
00:55:12  <ST2> as we say, on slang: woman knowns for sure - the man gueeses
00:55:23  <ST2> but it's slang
00:56:43  <ST2> just to ask: when I type here:  it's
00:57:02  <ST2> appears any weird character?
00:58:24  <supermop_home> is there no Wikipedia in india?
00:59:40  <ST2> or maybe in Europe: (thanks to our CM friends)
01:00:05  <supermop_home> I feel like 90% of what I read on quora is trivia, minutia, etc asked by young indian students about indian day-to-day affairs
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01:01:14  <supermop_home> and I generally find quora worthless, but this window into what some random 15 year old is wondering about municipal issues in Delhi is sort of the only redeeming part of it
01:01:53  <ST2> no worries supermop: hopefully you, at home, your wife dnt read we're talking about women
01:02:19  <supermop_home> I am sure she would not give a shit
01:02:29  <supermop_home> rather she would roll her eyes
01:02:39  <ST2> I.sure she would xD
01:04:06  <ST2> because if she dn.t care... it's because she dnt read this xD
01:04:20  <ST2> and there... safe xD
01:05:24  <supermop_home> I mean, I haven't said anything I'd want to hide from her, neither here nor elsewhere
01:05:42  <ST2> neither I said so ^^
01:07:02  <supermop_home> she did really give me a hard time for the indenting on nml blocks I wrote in unspooled though
01:07:14  <ST2> last 2 lines have less "neithers" that a 5 second talk to a wife xD
01:07:45  <supermop_home> so generally i'd prefer she didn't look and  code I struggle to write
01:07:52  <supermop_home> as it would be too embarassing
01:08:11  <ST2> I know the struggle ^^
01:11:26  <ST2> what I was trying to say: here among some devs, probably not notice the "work" some peasants have on keeping game alive
01:14:02  <ST2> -
01:14:18  <ST2> what pages you use to keep a track on it?
01:16:49  <ST2> peter1138: any idea?
01:16:58  <supermop_home> to keep a track on servers? I don't keep track of them
01:17:44  <ST2> supermop: maybe you don't have a server running and don't care
01:18:13  <supermop_home> probably accurate, unless there is one in this apartment I am unaware of
01:18:15  <ST2> but, OpenTTD image outside it's there
01:19:01  <ST2> because I think this is not a game to look into your belly
01:21:00  <supermop_home> I have my insurance pay a gastroenterologist to do that if need be
01:21:24  <ST2> we're talking about OpenTTD, I think ^^
01:31:19  <supermop_home> well I forgot kettle was on the stove and boiled off half the water I was making for tea
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06:15:46  <peter1138> my kettle turns itself off...
06:16:30  <SpComb> electric kettle
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06:21:09  <Eddi|zuHause> magical kettle?
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08:00:30  <Wolf01> o/
08:02:35  <Arveen453000> \o
08:02:47  <Wolf01> Is that a virus?
08:02:54  <Arveen453000> yes
08:03:33  <Wolf01> I hope to not catch it and become a Wolf453000 zombie too
08:04:06  <Arveen453000> (=
08:05:08  <Wolf01> yes
08:06:38  <Wolf01> The next year april fool for OTTD needs to be something impressive
08:14:16  <Arveen453000> there was one this year ?
08:14:58  <Wolf01> Yes
08:15:06  <Wolf01> Remove canals
08:15:20  <Arveen453000> ah ok, seen this on reddit i think
08:15:34  <Wolf01> Still not sure if we won't remove them for real
08:15:49  <Wolf01> The temptation is strong
08:23:07  <Arveen453000> i just use them every now and then to repair rivers i destroyed accidently
08:24:17  <Wolf01> Rivers shouldn't be so easy to destroy
08:26:57  <Arveen453000> yeah i like rivers, thats why always repair or reroute them
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09:04:01  <Wolf01> I can't understand why is it so difficult to generate an hash in c#
09:04:19  <Wolf01> s/an/a
09:06:14  <peter1138> What sort of hash?
09:06:46  <Wolf01> Any.. SHA1, MD5... I need an unique identifier to save if a feed item was read
09:07:35  <Wolf01> Also for cache
09:07:35  <peter1138> using (var ha = new SHA1Managed()) return ha.ComputeHash(byteArray);
09:07:38  <peter1138> very hard
09:08:20  <Wolf01> Like if it was referenced
09:09:10  <Wolf01> I only have Windows.Security.Cryptography.Core
09:09:30  <Wolf01> But I can't understand how to use the provider
09:09:47  <peter1138> System.Security.Cryptography missing?
09:10:02  <crem> Cryptographical primitives are hard to use correctly.
09:10:45  <peter1138> crem, not really. it's hard to get encryption right because it's more than just algorithm, but hashing is another matter.
09:13:15  <crem> Depends on why the hash is needed. For example both for MD5 and (since recently) SHA1 it's possible to construct a hash collision, so for many uses it's bad.
09:13:32  <crem> When using as a base of HMAC it's still fine though.
09:14:22  <crem> but if using not for cryptographical reasons it's probably fine
09:14:50  <peter1138> like ottd's use of md5
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09:15:57  <Wolf01> I should use a decorator and get the object hash of the feed model
09:16:45  <Wolf01> I hope it won't change with hidden stuff I can't know
09:19:20  <peter1138> hmm
09:20:35  <Wolf01> Hurr durr, interfaces
09:25:16  <dihedral> Mornin
09:25:31  <Wolf01> No shit Sherlock, I have readonly fields and interfaces don't like those, and UI doesn't like methods
09:27:13  <Wolf01> BTW, peter1138:
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09:33:07  <DanTheUkMan> hey any one about
09:34:24  <peter1138> i have no idea what uwp is
09:34:42  <Wolf01> Universal Windows Platform
09:34:43  <peter1138> all my c# is done with mono :)
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09:35:01  <DanTheUkMan> im new
09:35:08  <Wolf01> Hi
09:35:14  <peter1138> hello dan
09:35:19  <DanTheUkMan>  just downloaded the game
09:36:01  <DanTheUkMan>   ik how to play it as i had the orignal chris sawer vertion on win 95
09:36:07  <DanTheUkMan> lol
09:36:17  <DanTheUkMan>  tbh this looks a lot like it
09:36:46  <crem> It has lots of improvements in details.
09:37:09  <DanTheUkMan>  but i wana know if u can sugest and addons   and tbh it annoing tht i cant turn the map
09:37:25  <crem> The most important ones are still probably advanced railroad signals.
09:38:41  <DanTheUkMan> i just started an  online map if anyone wana join feel free
09:40:39  <crem> btw few years ago I checked multiplayer games and there were tons of them, like around hundred. And this weekend I checked and there was only 1.  Is it changed, or I just don't know where to look?
09:40:46  <peter1138> sorry i'm working now
09:41:20  <DanTheUkMan> lol ikr crem i had tht also   i call the game my name
09:41:34  <DanTheUkMan> np peter
09:41:46  <crem> I'm at work now as well, so cannot join.
09:41:53  <DanTheUkMan> lol
09:41:54  <DanTheUkMan> ok
09:44:00  <DanTheUkMan> i hopein the make add a turn map left or right button  make thing a  lot easer
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09:46:50  <_dp_> crem, still hundreds:
09:46:51  <_dp_> There are 79 clients, 277 IPv4 servers and 53 IPv6 servers.
09:47:02  <DanTheUkMan> loll
09:47:55  <DanTheUkMan> holy cow
09:47:58  <DanTheUkMan> damn
09:49:51  <_dp_> crem, oh, I know, did you set "advertised" to "yes" when looking for servers in game?
09:50:13  <DanTheUkMan> dunno tbh never done online befor
09:50:17  <DanTheUkMan> sorry
09:50:21  <DanTheUkMan> lol im a noob
09:50:25  <DanTheUkMan> ha
10:01:08  <peter1138> map rotation is unlikely to ever happen as it would need more graphics
10:01:44  <peter1138> but there are loads of transparency options if you can't see stuff
10:02:21  <DanTheUkMan> well ok ye i see tht but why would addin a button need more graghics
10:02:39  <peter1138> haha
10:02:54  <peter1138> not for button (although it would) but for lots of things on the map
10:04:15  <peter1138> unless you meant minimap. hmm.
10:07:30  <DanTheUkMan> na  for example  when i play rollercoaster tycoon i can rotate the map makes things easer   but like u said if there transparency tht might help
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10:33:21  <crem> _dp_: I tried both yes and no, and nothing changed. Possibly there is some "refresh" button that I had to press, but there was no obvious one.
10:38:32  <_dp_> crem, no refresh, just advertised:yes then "find server". If it's not working then idk, mb some firewall isuue. Definitely on your side though as there are tons of servers.
10:39:12  <crem> Ok, will try again then in the evening.
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11:41:47  <DanTheUkMan> sorry crem was busy m8
11:42:32  <DanTheUkMan>  i will set one up later  and try do a private server  if u  have trouble finin a normal one
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12:56:25  <dihedral> @seen Belugas
12:56:25  <DorpsGek> dihedral: Belugas was last seen in #openttd 4 days, 16 hours, 37 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: <Belugas> yeah, a birthday :)  a good friend of mine!
12:56:44  <dihedral> and he was never seen since!
12:57:34  <Wolf01> Bots are a special kind of stupid
12:58:38  <dihedral> And I always thought it was TrueBrain who had nothing else to do :-P
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16:19:15  <Alberth> o/
16:24:43  <Wolf01> o/, Quak
16:24:52  <supermop> yoi
16:25:08  <frosch123> hola
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17:14:16  <Wolf01> :D
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17:14:50  <frosch123> 90 degree turns
17:15:00  <Wolf01> XD
17:17:13  <debdog> nich mal bei lego hält der ICE wegen 'ner Milchkanne
17:17:20  <debdog> oops, wrong language
17:19:15  <Alberth> lego is universal if you add a picture :p
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17:54:30  <Wolf01> o/
17:55:25  <Alberth> o/
18:01:07  <andythenorth> hi
18:08:14  <frosch123> such
18:12:18  <Alberth> I guess brix is supposed to be used with nuts, eh? :)
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18:20:33  <Wolf01> Ahahah from my lego group, about that video "the wagons in those curves scream for vengeance"
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18:29:25  <Eddi|zuHause> debdog: so what happens if you rebuild Wolfsburg in lego?
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18:48:53  <Wolf01> O_O __ln__, were you nuked like Japan?
18:54:28  <Eddi|zuHause> ... we did that in kindergarten
19:07:04  <V453000> to?
19:07:06  <V453000> yo?
19:07:07  <V453000> cat?
19:07:19  <V453000> hm
19:07:21  <V453000> is whorse
19:08:38  <Wolf01> "whorse"
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19:17:47  <Eddi|zuHause> wide horse?
19:18:18  <Alberth> short horse might fit better :)
19:20:14  <andythenorth> got horses here
19:20:42  <andythenorth> I mean actual hobby horses
19:20:49  <andythenorth> not iron horses
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20:59:46  <Wolf01> It's so quiet today
21:00:17  * andythenorth was making FIRS 
21:00:21  <andythenorth> quietly
21:01:02  <supermop> more alpine foundries?
21:01:44  <supermop> all mines an forest only build inside cities replacing houses. all bulk terminals must be at max height
21:02:01  <andythenorth> :P
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22:28:52  <peter1138> morning
22:29:43  <Wolf01> Not yet
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22:45:44  <peter1138> My phone fully charged in about 1hr30
22:45:53  <peter1138> I guess the battery is dying :(
22:46:02  <Wolf01> :/
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22:46:14  <Wolf01> My phone always charged fully in that time
22:47:09  <peter1138> Hmmm, maybe this did, or just depends on the charger.
22:47:57  <peter1138> And... need to find the cable so I can charge my watch.
22:48:01  <peter1138> Modern technology ;(
22:50:53  <peter1138> Hmm, strava adding more and more social features :S
22:55:09  * LordAro wonders which petern is peter1138
22:55:19  <LordAro> i'd guess not the shirtless gentleman
22:58:23  <peter1138> I'm the one with my face in an EU flag.
22:58:39  <peter1138> Fucksake :S
23:00:18  * LordAro looks at peter1138's face
23:00:56  <peter1138> HOW MANY PETERNS ARE THERE s:
23:01:31  <LordAro> quite a few, it turns out
23:05:08  <Wolf01> I would like to stay and read about peter's impostors, but I'm going to bed instead
23:05:14  <Wolf01> 'night
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23:09:12  <peter1138> < i'm that one
23:10:13  <LordAro> be me
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23:13:34  <peter1138> *stalks*
23:14:22  <LordAro> *stalks back*
23:17:10  <LordAro> want to do some actual cycling at some point
23:17:36  <LordAro> not for the next couple of months though, too much busy
23:18:13  *** FLHerne has quit IRC
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23:21:03  <peter1138> oh dear, my friend's dog is telling me to go to bed
23:22:55  <peter1138> night night

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