Log for #openttd on 13th April 2017:
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00:21:18  <supermop_home> you are like ginger ale, quiznilo?
00:22:10  <quiznilo> yeah, whatever I meant to say
00:23:50  <supermop_home> I buy a little person shaped root of it every now and then, but never manage to use it all up
00:24:08  <supermop_home> very good in certain soups that I or my wife make though
00:24:17  <supermop_home> and pretty cheap to buy here
00:24:35  <supermop_home> for ginger ale, I prefer ginger beer
00:24:45  <supermop_home> ideally the cloudy kind
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01:03:12  <supermop_home> need to buy some gochujang and fancy kimchi
01:03:21  <V453000> get rekt?
01:03:43  <supermop_home> V453000for making Korean micheladas with OB or Hite beer
01:04:10  <supermop_home> also was looking at those old aus renders this afternoon
01:07:47  <V453000> wot
01:07:55  <V453000> :)
01:08:22  <V453000> aus stuff was cute but am spoilt with factorio now
01:08:41  <supermop_home> i figure when it comes to micheladas - you are starting with a crappy beer, so put as much spicy weird stuff in there as you can
01:08:51  <supermop_home> ha
01:09:41  <supermop_home> I am 'spoilt' with a real job rather than working holiday freelance stuff
01:10:08  <supermop_home> but it was kind of fun to have a whatever schedule to design whatever I could
01:10:20  <V453000> well factorio basically is a real working holiday XD
01:10:47  <supermop_home> had an interview for a much more corporate firm today
01:11:12  <supermop_home> place I've been at the last year+ is small and super disorganized
01:11:17  <supermop_home> but sometimes fun
01:11:46  <supermop_home> not going to be as fun as your job though
01:14:37  <V453000> well, making game graphics is a lot of hard work that aren't apparent from the outside :)
01:14:59  <supermop_home> I don't doubt that it is hard
01:15:30  <V453000> fun is often overriden by hard for some people :)
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02:57:31  <lclpsoz> Hello?
02:57:39  <V453000> yo?
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02:59:42  <V453000> by
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07:27:24  <Wolf01> o/
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07:31:41  <peter1138> need to stop being so tired :S
07:32:23  <Wolf01> Sleep more, or less
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07:46:00  <Wolf01> Me creator update kicked in
07:46:03  <Wolf01> *meh
07:46:22  <Arveen2> assimilation in progress
07:47:18  <Wolf01> It assimilated all the possible download band now
07:47:43  <Arveen2> hehe
07:48:03  <Wolf01> Even irc works because he can find a spare bit every now and then
07:48:05  <Arveen2> i downloaded the ISO and will do a clean install over the easter holidays i think
07:49:06  <Wolf01> I'm thinking to do a clean install since redstone, but looking at how much I need to re-download for VS...
07:49:49  <Wolf01> With a 3M ADSL is discouraging
07:59:22  <Arveen2> which version of VS you useing ?
08:00:12  <__ln__> *using
08:00:57  <Wolf01> 2015, but I wanted to install 2017 too
08:01:20  <Arveen2> nice. i also got 2015 and was thinking to move on to 2017
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08:12:59  <peter1138> monodevelop ftw
08:16:15  <Arveen2> what do you think about eclipse ?
08:16:39  <peter1138> Java.
08:17:06  <Arveen2> i used that ages ago for c++
08:18:29  <peter1138> I just use vim for c++ :)
08:18:48  <Wolf01> Does it have intellisense?
08:19:05  <peter1138> can do if you can be bothered to set it up with the right plugins and library versions...
08:19:43  <__ln__> is there a computer built so far, powerful enough to run eclipse?
08:19:54  <Arveen2> :D
08:19:55  <Wolf01> I already have some difficulties to save and close with vim, I use nano
08:20:05  <peter1138> esc :wq
08:23:46  <Wolf01> Yeah, esc... I don't know why I keep forgetting it
08:25:39  <Arveen2> this editor is more complicated than putting a regex together :P
08:25:56  <Wolf01> Let's talk about it
08:27:06  <Wolf01> I have to study the entire system when I need to write a regexp, and I usually resort to search stackoverflow for something already done which I need to finetune
08:27:57  <Arveen2> no doubt. i went to a power shell training 2 weeks ago and the hardest part was the regex day
08:29:59  <Wolf01> For example there are people I know who parse webpage and extract the results with a single regexp (which never works well)... I parse the page with dom functions and then get the single strings with the regexp
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10:20:11  <Wolf01> lol... fuel factory
10:23:22  <peter1138> I need to boot into Windows some time...
10:26:48  <Wolf01> Nice, next patch will add harvesting without terrain modeling
10:28:24  <Wolf01>
10:28:42  <Wolf01> Skip some minutes at the beginning
10:30:48  <peter1138> ruins the game!
10:32:05  <Wolf01> I'll expect inserters to load fuel tanks on spaceships... that will ruin the game :D
10:34:42  <Wolf01> Oh, I'm going to run the Win10CU, I hope it will not take the entire day :P
10:34:44  <Wolf01> BBL
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11:12:28  <Arveen2> what game is this ?
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11:36:27  <Wolf01> Back... mmmh, nothing changed yet, I don't feel any superpoweer
11:36:33  <Wolf01> *-e
11:37:44  <Wolf01> :ooo paint3D
11:37:56  <V453000> shit3D
11:39:57  <Wolf01> Ok, drew little cock, now I'm happy
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11:40:35  <Wolf01> this one
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11:43:03  <V453000> almost half the size of mine
11:43:16  <Wolf01> Ehehe sure
11:48:47  <Wolf01> I should be able to upgrade the linux kernel now
11:49:22  <Wolf01> Mmmh, dist still stuck at 14.04
11:55:49  <Wolf01> Upgrading ubuntu
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11:58:09  <Arveen2> wolf - what game was that screenshot you posted earlier ?
11:58:15  <Wolf01> Astroneer
12:02:21  <Arveen2> you like it ?
12:02:34  <Wolf01> It's a good game and has a lot of potential
12:04:18  <Arveen2> its still early access right ?
12:04:37  <Wolf01> Yep, pre-alpha
12:07:21  <Arveen2> looks interesting
12:08:48  <Wolf01> Not much to play at the moment but it gives you some funny hours
12:09:18  <Arveen2> i added it to my watch list heh
12:21:29  <Wolf01> Ok, ubuntu subsystem updated to 16.04
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15:05:23  <Alberth> o/
15:07:00  <Wolf01> o/
15:07:40  <LordAro> /o
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15:18:32  <Wolf01> ha!
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15:42:39  <Wolf01> Quak
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15:43:38  <frosch123> moi
15:50:11  <Alberth> o/
15:50:18  <Arveen2> that xcd reminds me of
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16:02:16  <Eddi|zuHause> Arveen2: your alternative facts are invalid, because it doesn't have the most bestest windowses of all, ME and Vista
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16:05:32  <Wolf01> I bet V is writing FFF
16:06:01  <Wolf01> Ops, not friday :(
16:06:18  <Arveen2> today counts as Friday for me
16:06:26  <Wolf01> Eh, for me too
16:06:39  <Wolf01> I keep losing days
16:07:13  <Wolf01> Btw, he should write one, last one was on march
16:07:17  <Arveen2> i still need to go shopping for the holidays ...
16:08:00  <Wolf01> Also my lego order has shipped
16:08:26  <Arveen2> what have you ordered ?
16:08:41  <Wolf01> Some ninjago for the parts
16:08:54  <Wolf01> Some... like 190€
16:09:27  <supermop> i read that as 'for the pants'
16:09:41  <supermop> like you spent 190eur just for ssome lego legs
16:09:43  <Arveen2> hahaha
16:10:01  <Arveen2> my favorite is Blacktron
16:10:18  <Arveen2> the black/yellow one
16:10:38  <Eddi|zuHause> <Arveen2> i still need to go shopping for the holidays ... <-- don't... shops look like everyone is shopping for the end of the world
16:10:40  <Wolf01> It could be even a good order, 190€ of legs which are useful for various stuff, like mecha hands
16:11:06  <Wolf01> I need to purchase some pasta :(
16:11:18  <Wolf01> Maybe even butter
16:11:53  <Arveen2> yeah, we want to go like really late. i been to a Lidl during my lunch break and it was like its judgement day
16:13:32  <Wolf01> Eh, I need to go to lidl too
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16:36:23  <quiznilo> whoever did that skycrane newrgf, that thing is badass
16:37:42  <quiznilo> ships with av8 I think
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16:46:09  <fredcwbr> Hi there,. since I don't know where to start, would like to ask about some issues while playing ottd.
16:46:38  <Wolf01> Oh, we are plenty of issues if you want some :D
16:47:03  <quiznilo> aircraft are OP, nerf 'em
16:47:27  <fredcwbr> I'm using 1.6 Debian linux version., and was wondering if there is some GRF or other that would enable a train to have orders by there railstock,.,
16:47:45  <fredcwbr> or different orders to each wagon in the composition, .
16:47:57  <Wolf01> No, that's not possible
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16:48:26  <Wolf01> You could have station refit orders, that's the best we can offer
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16:48:49  <fredcwbr> what would be "station refit orders"?
16:49:40  <Wolf01> You set a train to change the cargo (must be compatible with the wagons) directly on a station
16:50:40  <quiznilo> the amount of freight too and from a station needs to be fairly balanced... I've never had a use for it
16:51:04  <Wolf01> Like: you have open wagons, you can tell the train to load iron at station A, unload at station B (steel mill), load coal at station C and unload at station B again
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16:51:56  <quiznilo> hmm... I wonder if you could build power plants, one each next to a coal mine
16:52:07  <fredcwbr> I see... ;; is that a limitation on the overall engine?
16:52:09  <quiznilo> you wouldn't need to refit though
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16:52:38  <fredcwbr> understood the proposition., ..
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16:52:57  <fredcwbr> not exactly what I had in mind,.,
16:53:30  <quiznilo> I don't get how you could give different orders to wagons
16:54:48  <Wolf01> <quiznilo> hmm... I wonder if you could build power plants, one each next to a coal mine <- you get paid by distance and time, if too close you don't get paid so much
16:54:58  <quiznilo> of course
16:55:08  <quiznilo> assuming that they're optimal distances away
16:55:55  <quiznilo> aha!  To solve the unbalanced freight problem, just set the lesser station order to not 'full load'
16:56:03  <glx> IIRC coal is always paying well
16:57:05  <glx> unless it's a really extra long line
16:58:02  <fredcwbr> thank you quiznilo., .. will look this aproach.,
16:58:04  <Alberth> passengers works too, as you have a full train in both directions
16:58:35  <glx> but you are easily overflowed by waiting passengers :)
16:59:27  <Alberth> hehe :)
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17:00:15  <Alberth> no matter how many trains you throw at it, the station won't get empty :p
17:14:16  <Samu> is it possible to refit a whole group of aircraft?
17:14:37  <Samu> want to refit 4 aircraft with shared orders
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17:20:00  <Wolf01> o/
17:20:17  <andythenorth> lo
17:25:14  <supermop> yo
17:25:31  <supermop> remove coal from firs eh?
17:28:56  <frosch123> process it into gold
17:34:02  <Wolf01> Lead mine -> alchemic factory -> gold
17:34:18  <peter1138> remove firs from coal
17:35:19  <Eddi|zuHause> sounds like a failed SQL query
17:39:01  <Eddi|zuHause> so... today's wtf is a spam mail, which uses as "sender" a name of a guy who i haven't talked to in like 10 years, and i don't think i ever got a mail from him at all
17:39:53  <Alberth> he may have your though, apparently :)
17:39:58  <Alberth> *yours
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18:11:16  <FLHerne> Samu: If they support refit-in-station, then you can do it that way
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18:30:47  <andythenorth> such FIRS
18:30:51  <andythenorth> also station names
18:31:44  <quiznilo> last night, ottd opponent clears giant patch at great expense, tears down part of a mountain to build his central prime hub, and a new power plant appears in the very middle
18:32:23  <quiznilo> all plans ruined
18:33:53  <andythenorth> need station names for
18:33:54  <andythenorth>
18:33:56  <andythenorth>
18:34:00  <andythenorth>
18:34:22  <frosch123> feature request: when detecting lots of landscaping, spawn radio towers
18:34:27  <andythenorth> ha
18:34:43  <quiznilo> you already got 'portage' as station name, right?  I think I saw that one
18:34:43  <andythenorth> probably other industries could have better station names too :P
18:34:52  <andythenorth> shall I make the docs print them?
18:35:30  <quiznilo> there are a lot of 'portage roads' in US
18:35:35  <quiznilo> not sure where you are
18:35:42  <quiznilo> farm related
18:35:57  <quiznilo>
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18:37:23  <quiznilo> mills
18:41:55  <andythenorth> oh
18:42:06  <andythenorth> FIRS has been failing on bundles for a month
18:43:17  <andythenorth> can anyone else build FIRS? :o
18:43:19  <andythenorth> or just me ?
18:44:29  <Alberth> nmlc ERROR: "src/lang/english.lng", line 5: Undefined command "TITLE"   this should fail for you too?
18:44:37  <Alberth> let me try
18:49:36  <Alberth> builds for me
18:49:45  <Alberth> some cache?
18:56:04  <supermop> quiznilo: portages were traditionally where you had to take your raft/boat out of the stream and carry it to another stream
18:56:34  <supermop> or just carry the stuff in the boat to a different boat already in the other water
18:56:48  <andythenorth> I wonder if jenkins is using a makefile target that doesn’t work
18:56:56  <andythenorth> I think it’s failing on the extra tags
18:58:44  <andythenorth> I can’t login to see if there are any build artefacts
18:59:16  <andythenorth> my login fails :)
19:03:06  <Alberth> rm custom_tags.txt  (it's a generated thing right?)
19:03:08  <Alberth> make
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19:07:07  <Alberth> add custom_tags.txt as dependency on $(GRF_FILE)   ?
19:12:10  <andythenorth> yup
19:12:14  <andythenorth> I’ll do it now
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19:20:18  <andythenorth> ho
19:20:20  <andythenorth> new error :)
19:20:22  <andythenorth> progress
19:28:40  <andythenorth> interesting
19:28:49  <andythenorth> make bundle_tar fails locally for me too :)
19:29:02  <andythenorth> Alberth: I can just remove the --verbose flag?
19:31:51  <andythenorth> seems to work
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19:42:59  <Alberth> can't you just give the bundle_dir/src  to mk-archive ?
19:55:37  <andythenorth> not sure :)
19:55:41  <andythenorth> but it builds now
19:56:57  <andythenorth> standard yak-shaving: 90 minutes ago I wanted to include station names in docs
19:57:00  <andythenorth> now here
20:19:45  <Alberth> ok :)
20:20:10  <Alberth> nn
20:23:44  <andythenorth> bye
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21:49:34  <argoneus> good evening train friends
21:55:11  <peter1138> i like ships
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22:11:35  <Eddi|zuHause> that's not how the song goes :p
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22:30:40  <Wolf01> 'night
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