Log for #openttd on 3rd July 2017:
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08:50:47  <Celestar> foo?
08:51:21  <__ln__> a rare Celestar spotted
08:51:25  <Celestar> :)
08:57:32  <Celestar> how ya been?
08:58:45  <__ln__> not much has changed
08:59:04  <Celestar> is that good or bad? :)
09:08:46  <planetmaker> wooo
09:12:09  <Celestar> wooooopm!
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09:51:27  <Wolf01> o/
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12:47:34  <UncleCJ> I just spent all saturday playing OpenTTD with a buddy - first multiplayer games for him. Desert scenario - time passed slowly and I over-invested so badly :-P
12:51:02  <crem> OpenTTD is the second best game for the multiplayer! ( First one being Portal 2 ).
12:52:41  <Wolf01> Wrong, the first is factorio
12:53:59  <crem> Never played factorio multiplayer..
12:54:43  <peter1138> Portal 2 is kinda short.
12:56:58  <Wolf01> Alkel_U3, do you have some time for that mp game?
13:40:35  <Flygon> What's the third best?
13:40:50  <Wolf01> Factorio again
13:40:50  <Flygon> Drunk amateur 8 player Age of Empires II?
13:40:53  <Flygon> Oh :V
13:41:06  <Flygon> Seriously my best AoEII games are when everyone's completely wasted.
13:42:14  <Wolf01> The only thing I did as completely wasted was to build a lego without instructions and just by looking at the box... And I did it :|
13:42:39  <Flygon> I've never drunk.
13:42:42  <Flygon> But everyone else sure was.
13:42:42  <Wolf01> And that's the last time I got drunk
13:45:10  <Celestar> fuck timezones
13:45:25  <Wolf01> Oh, hello sir
13:45:33  <Celestar> hi :)
13:46:28  <Celestar> tzdata2006d: New data for Haiti, Sri Lanka, and Canada
13:46:28  <Celestar> tzdata2012c: Haiti following US/Canada rules for 2012.
13:46:28  <Celestar> tzdata2013b: Haiti uses US daylight-saving rules this year, and presumably future years.
13:46:28  <Celestar> tzdata2016b: Haiti will not observe DST in 2016.
13:46:28  <Celestar> tzdata2017b: Haiti resumed observance of DST in 2017.
13:46:57  <Wolf01> Ha!
13:56:09  <Alkel_U3> Wolf01: hi. I'm currently at a festival, away from computer. I'm going home this evening so maybe after 21 today or tommorow
13:56:26  <Wolf01> Good
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15:43:10  <Alberth> o/
15:50:25  <LordAro> /o
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16:43:52  <Wolf01> o/
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17:19:38  <UncleCJ> Wolf01: I suspect I will have to get Factorio... :-D
17:23:56  <Wolf01> Everybody should
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17:33:56  <Wolf01> Is it?
17:34:12  <andythenorth> yup
17:34:54  <andythenorth> still not sure about map colours
17:35:45  <Wolf01> I'm still not sure about taking an IT security course
17:39:08  <andythenorth> what’s it about?
17:39:21  <Wolf01> Penetration testing
17:39:49  <andythenorth> it’s a thing people do
17:41:24  <Wolf01> Too bad it's really expensive
17:42:22  <Wolf01> And I'm not sure about what piece of paper they will give me, maybe without some sort of degree in IT is useless
17:45:00  <andythenorth> hmm
17:45:15  * andythenorth porting FIRS docs to Bootstrap 3
17:51:18  <andythenorth> sidebar navigation: on left or right?
17:54:01  <andythenorth> maybe there’s a better way
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18:05:34  <andythenorth> ach
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18:05:37  <andythenorth> the FIRS makefile :)
18:05:45  <andythenorth> needs work
18:10:17  <Alberth> make work   :)
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18:11:04  <andythenorth> the docs targets are still…weird :)
18:11:15  <andythenorth> I tried to clean them up last week, but made a circular reference
18:11:32  <andythenorth> also I need to teach docs about the .pt dependencies
18:11:49  <andythenorth> but I don’t want it to build everything just because a docs file changed :P
18:12:19  <Alberth> .pt ?
18:13:02  <andythenorth> page templates
18:13:10  <andythenorth> it src/docs_templates, mostly
18:13:21  <andythenorth> it / in /s
18:13:29  <Alberth> ah
18:14:46  <Alberth> you can't both have automagic building and not have automagic building :)
18:15:10  <andythenorth> ideally ‘make docs’ would detect changed .pt files
18:15:16  <andythenorth> but not trigger building the grf
18:15:22  <andythenorth> I don’t think that’s possible
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18:24:54  <andythenorth> quak
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18:25:02  <frosch123> hoi
18:25:29  <andythenorth> straw poll, how big is this svg in your browsers?
18:25:41  <andythenorth> as % of viewport :P
18:25:56  * andythenorth wonders about constraining it to 100% of viewport
18:26:05  <frosch123> is that possible?
18:26:17  <frosch123> anyway, it's wider than one screen
18:26:28  <andythenorth> I can wrap it in html
18:26:38  <frosch123> about 2500 pixels
18:26:55  <frosch123> usually i scroll
18:26:57  <andythenorth> how big is your screen? :D
18:27:03  <frosch123> it probably would not be readable when zoomed
18:27:11  <frosch123> 2x hd
18:27:31  <frosch123> @calc 1920*2
18:27:31  <DorpsGek> frosch123: 3840
18:27:47  <andythenorth> mine is 1280 :)
18:28:08  <frosch123> anyway, i can zoom it with ctrl+wheel
18:28:11  <frosch123> if i really want o
18:28:13  <andythenorth> same here
18:28:19  <andythenorth> usually I load it, then zoom out :P
18:28:52  <frosch123> next question: why does my ssh-agent not work?
18:29:04  <andythenorth> poodle
18:29:14  <andythenorth> outdated python ssh bindings?
18:29:17  <andythenorth> bees?
18:29:21  <andythenorth> sunspots?
18:29:22  <frosch123> oh, it works on coop
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18:35:05  <frosch123> i assumed old keys would only get rejected by new servers, but apparently new clients are also picky
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19:18:07  <andythenorth> ach
19:18:22  * andythenorth really needs to learn make :(
19:22:08  <andythenorth> frosch123: better? o_O
19:22:15  <andythenorth> also
19:22:17  <andythenorth> etc
19:22:24  <andythenorth> they’re linked from
19:24:47  <frosch123> i can't read them, and zooming does not work anymore
19:25:35  <frosch123> fullscreen works
19:25:41  <andythenorth> ha
19:25:53  <andythenorth> browser zoom actually makes it (smaller in chrome)
19:25:56  <andythenorth> unexpected result :)
19:26:03  <andythenorth> right
19:26:03  <frosch123> same with firefox
19:26:16  * andythenorth will try and find a better way
19:27:32  <andythenorth> ? o_O
19:29:44  <frosch123>  <- i guess that variant could work
19:29:58  <andythenorth> eh quite cool
19:30:28  * andythenorth needs to assess the infosec risk of it
19:30:33  <andythenorth> maybe Wolf01 could do that?  o_O
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20:06:30  <andythenorth> ach
20:06:31  <andythenorth>
20:06:40  <andythenorth> can’t figure out why the pan-zoom isn’t enabled
20:06:46  <andythenorth> probably bad path somewhere
20:06:59  <frosch123> works for me?
20:09:16  <frosch123> the bottom-left thingie is slightly buggy as it does not quite align to the mouse, but it mostly works
20:10:31  <frosch123> the overall thing is also minimal bigger than the viewport, so it adds scrollbars
20:12:01  <andythenorth> do you get the zoom icons?
20:12:19  <frosch123> yes
20:12:34  <andythenorth> chrome drops them
20:12:40  <andythenorth> and in some of the docs examples
20:12:42  <andythenorth> but not all
20:12:56  <andythenorth> well it’s better than before :P
20:13:07  <frosch123> it also works in chromium for me
20:13:23  <frosch123> though different :o
20:13:52  <frosch123> it chromium i have to click to drag the red border, in firefox is just follows on moving
20:14:12  <andythenorth> works in safari, but thumbnail drag is absent
20:14:42  <andythenorth> I will offer refunds to dissatisfied users :)
20:15:14  <frosch123> it even works in konqueror
20:16:26  <frosch123> except that konqueror seems to enforce a minimum font size, so the thumbnail looks kind of bad
20:19:13  <andythenorth> ha
20:27:02  <andythenorth> hmm works for me in chrome now
20:28:00  <andythenorth> now it just needs to be in a modal :P
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21:02:01  <Wolf01> <andythenorth> maybe Wolf01 could do that?  o_O <- ha
21:06:30  <Wolf01> BTW the demos don't work at all on firefox
21:07:36  * andythenorth wonders if it’s a flakey library
21:07:51  <Wolf01> Oh, now they do, but only after I opened them in Edge
21:09:16  <Wolf01> The resize svg container on page resize was tricky IIRC
21:17:18  <Eddi|zuHause> <Wolf01> And I'm not sure about what piece of paper they will give me, maybe without some sort of degree in IT is useless <-- a degree is probably the least important thing in IT...
21:18:01  <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: have you had a look at my partitioning algorithm?
21:18:17  <andythenorth> I have, but I didn’t figure out what I’d need to feed it yet
21:18:25  <andythenorth> presumably just a list of economies and industries
21:18:47  <Eddi|zuHause> yes, a dict, where the keys are industries, and the values are sets of economies
21:19:21  <Eddi|zuHause> and it returns sets of industries that can share colours
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21:20:05  <Eddi|zuHause> i've made no theoretical considerations on how "optimal" the result is
21:20:22  <Eddi|zuHause> in terms of "this is the minimum amount of colours you need"
21:23:03  <Wolf01> I should go to job talks with a classmate which got a degree in IT, usually he is rejected because with a degree they have to pay him more, then I could introduce myself :>
21:25:19  <andythenorth> :P
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21:25:33  <andythenorth> funny that in some countries, developers are v. hard to find
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21:25:44  <andythenorth> and bits of Europe have them in surplus
21:26:09  <Eddi|zuHause> i've never heard of IT people being rejected
21:26:10  <Wolf01> Oh, there's plenty of vacant positions here, but nobody that suits them
21:26:17  <Wolf01> Because they are picky
21:27:23  <Eddi|zuHause> well, basically i was hired after i said "i like python" :p
21:27:52  <Wolf01> The best candidate is 20-25 years old, with 10+ years of practice, master degree in IT, must not have worked before in the IT compartment because they need to hire him as apprentice
21:28:17  <andythenorth> old
21:28:24  <andythenorth> new
21:28:33  <Eddi|zuHause> they gasped a little when i said how much i wanted to be paid
21:28:39  <andythenorth> [bearing in mind that new is designed to look better on mobile]
21:28:48  <andythenorth> is new better or just different?
21:29:08  <Wolf01> I was hired because I was the only one able to tell the difference between domain name and email
21:29:34  <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: too much or too little? o_O
21:29:36  <Eddi|zuHause> bigger is better
21:30:06  <andythenorth> I think it’s cleaner
21:30:12  <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: well, i feel like i should have asked more, but they offered even less
21:30:20  <andythenorth> :P
21:30:22  <Wolf01> <andythenorth> new <- /me likes it
21:30:40  <andythenorth> it’s a bit of a weird layout
21:30:40  <andythenorth> the reading order is unclear
21:30:42  <Eddi|zuHause> (and they said their number first)
21:30:43  <andythenorth> but it seems to work
21:31:39  <Wolf01> Here is pretty impossible to make an offer, basically they would like to not pay you
21:33:49  <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: i never really liked graphviz, because i think the graphs could be more compact and cleaner if it relaxed a little on the hierarchical layout
21:34:32  <Eddi|zuHause> the steeltown graph looks especially horrible
21:35:15  <Wolf01> I used plantUML for a website
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21:38:19  <andythenorth> it’s a shame about the steeltown layout
21:38:23  <andythenorth> the flow is quite nice
21:40:18  <Eddi|zuHause> totally unrelated to the topic, and really old:
21:40:38  <Eddi|zuHause> (also mostly in german)
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21:41:47  <Wolf01> I didn't understand a word, but I think I get the irony
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21:42:40  <andythenorth> I don’t know of any graphviz alternatives :|
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21:44:09  <Wolf01> I just made graphs in svg with the IDE plugin and then loaded them in the site :P
21:45:30  <andythenorth> ?
21:45:56  <Wolf01> I use this one
21:46:21  <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: i can't really help you with that
21:46:22  <Wolf01> You need graphwiz too
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21:46:51  <Eddi|zuHause> it would probably be fine if you just could drag around the nodes a bit after you've piped it through graphviz
21:47:29  <Eddi|zuHause> but that's not really useful for automatted generation
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21:50:35  <andythenorth> is bed
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22:03:03  <Wolf01> Me too
22:03:06  <Wolf01> 'night
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