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00:02:38 <ST2> drac_boy: it even works on my Kali machine 00:02:45 <drac_boy> st2 to bluntly answer your question: has anyone ever written the instructions on how to compile ottd with MPW under macos? 00:03:26 <ST2> oh, Apple 00:03:44 <ST2> how does that bit you? 00:06:09 <ST2> sorry drac_boy, guess there you're on your own and with Apple Servive 00:07:18 <drac_boy> np..mind you pcdos-2001 runs very nicely on top tho .. thats how I play tt on that computer too (with a 'cloned' folder from the freebsd hd so the only thing different is the savegame list) 00:07:39 <drac_boy> but anyway st2...we'll see but ottd somewhere next year might be a small possibility .. depending .. will have to wait to see first 00:08:29 <ST2> well drac_boy: can you compile and rum 1.7.1 now? 00:08:41 <ST2> if yes, we're good :) 00:08:57 <drac_boy> st2 anyway I dunno why I still recall it (probably because it was too much unique fun) .. I still wonder about the infrastructure sharing thing ever being included in a release version (rather than that special non-release thing I can't remember the name of now) 00:09:12 <drac_boy> st2...like I said...if anyone can mention how to compile ottd in MPW I would had been happy to run it .. sorry? :-p 00:09:38 <Flygon> drac_boy: You're still missing out on the Telegram room. I can guarantee it's in your demographic interest! 00:10:09 <ST2> drac_boy: would help saying what's a MPW 00:10:22 * drac_boy pokes flygon .. just because 00:10:32 <drac_boy> st2 hm sorry give me a moment to find the link 00:13:19 *** JacobD88 has quit IRC 00:14:21 <drac_boy> typical apple, in the last several years they have been mashing a lot of things around that its hard to find anything recent anymore (heck even a 6-months-old forum.apple.com tech link goes to a 404 page unless you wayback it) but here you go st2 https://web.archive.org/web/20110514011858/http://developer.apple.com/tools/mpw-tools/ 00:14:50 <ST2> it's apple related? 00:16:13 <ST2> I have an Apple VM, being updated as needed 00:16:26 <ST2> MacOS, better saying 00:16:53 <ST2> I use it to test if BTPro clients compile on it, or not 00:17:22 <ST2> and, till now, all is good 00:17:39 <ST2> so drac_boy, what's your problem? 00:18:14 <drac_boy> st2 wheres the instructions? :) 00:18:31 <ST2> instructions for what?! 00:18:55 <drac_boy> either way just asking if anyone here know the name of that other kind of build of ttd .. not the beta/release one but that one that had unusual features added in that were never in the release version 00:19:03 <drac_boy> ttd=ottd* stupid key 00:19:06 <ST2> https://wiki.openttd.org/Category:Compiling_OpenTTD 00:19:16 <ST2> had you checked that? 00:19:34 <drac_boy> st2 theres no macos in there or even any non-visual either 00:19:44 <ST2> https://wiki.openttd.org/Compiling_on_Mac_OS_X 00:19:55 <ST2> wut?! 00:19:57 <drac_boy> umm osx is not the same 00:20:11 <drac_boy> (maybe thats what confused you sorry?) 00:20:43 <ST2> well, I followed those instructions and it compiled 00:20:59 <ST2> and I run it on a VM 00:21:23 <ST2> maybe youhave an outdated ot overdated MacOS 00:21:50 <ST2> for that, I'm not the person who can help you, sorry 00:23:37 *** Samu has quit IRC 00:26:13 <drac_boy> anyway lets just ignore os confusions for now st2 .. I'm just curious but is there any particular train grf you like or its just a "meh whatever the game has"? 00:27:03 <ST2> drac_boy: if you knew me... you wouldn't make that question 00:27:48 <drac_boy> heh sorry? ;-) 00:28:10 <ST2> and you can check all players that hate/love me in www.btpro.nl 00:28:16 <ST2> it's not a secret 00:29:15 <ST2> I'm still preparing a 1.7.2-RC1 server, that work with our server controller 00:29:36 <ST2> the both testings, it's what matters for me 00:31:02 <drac_boy> mm well specifically in temperate I kinda have a big like for dbsetxl but also have canset too...and some (I think)older polish trainset 00:31:11 <drac_boy> wouldn't bore you with more details ;) 00:31:45 <ST2> test server I'm gonna start... no newgrf's 00:32:12 <ST2> I'm just setting the plugins loaded on server controller ^^ 00:33:53 *** SgtStroopwafel_ has quit IRC 00:34:49 <drac_boy> btw st2 kinda nice to see theres actually some servers that don't want planes at all 00:35:03 *** SpComb has quit IRC 00:35:06 *** SpComb has joined #openttd 00:35:15 <drac_boy> I recall being fed up with lazy silyl players who destroy and reserve a lot of next-to-city land for nothing but to keep sending a hoard of freight-only planes 00:35:20 <ST2> drac_boy: you only noticed that now? 00:35:40 <drac_boy> well st2 I was just browsing the 'all servers' list on that site and only thought to mention it now :P 00:35:49 *** Gustavo6046 has quit IRC 00:36:44 *** SgtStroopwafel_ has joined #openttd 00:37:00 <ST2> we (BTPro) have some servers that allow Air 00:37:06 <ST2> most don't 00:37:16 <ST2> but that's our choice 00:37:49 <drac_boy> mm :-) 00:38:22 <ST2> drac_boy: maybe you never tried to join a BTPro server with name ST2 00:39:37 <ST2> well, you can do it - but have 2 minutes to identify - or will be named to Unregistered**** 00:39:43 <drac_boy> also heh it was sometimes a little queer seeing a red small airport right next to a blue intercontinental airport on the same side of large city yet the small one (which was me) can happily push several hundred passengers without issue 00:39:55 <drac_boy> different players = different ideas 00:39:58 <drac_boy> (I guess) 00:40:10 <ST2> drac_boy: had you read my lines above? 00:40:33 <drac_boy> yeah I did..was a bit busy typing sorry 00:41:03 <drac_boy> and nah I wouldn't like naming myself to anything ST* anyhow :-p 00:41:28 <ST2> had you tried to join a BTPro server? 00:41:32 <drac_boy> although someone going by the name Atari ST could be a funny one to screencap tho 00:41:42 <ST2> had you tried to join a BTPro server? 00:41:48 <drac_boy> st2..I might had a long time ago..don't recall sorry 00:42:52 <ST2> drac_boy: guess you only play OpenTTD SP mode - not that I mind 00:43:12 <ST2> but many stuff I can say here it's related to MP games 00:44:07 <drac_boy> np hm well st2 I kinda need to afk re some for-20:00 things here sorry .. talk about grfs or something more simple another day ok? ;) 00:44:11 <drac_boy> and bye to you too flygon 00:44:25 <ST2> typical xD 00:44:32 <ST2> take care o/ 00:44:52 *** drac_boy has left #openttd 02:30:50 *** glx has quit IRC 02:54:14 *** ZexaronS has quit IRC 04:20:13 *** yorick_ has joined #openttd 04:25:27 *** yorick has quit IRC 05:28:22 *** Keridos has quit IRC 05:28:40 *** Keridos has joined #openttd 05:29:50 *** Cubey has quit IRC 05:43:10 *** tokai|noir has joined #openttd 05:43:10 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai|noir 05:49:40 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 05:50:10 *** tokai has quit IRC 05:57:33 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 07:09:36 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 07:19:05 *** andythenorth has left #openttd 08:25:17 *** sim-al2 has quit IRC 08:36:48 *** Thedarkb has quit IRC 08:43:18 *** synchris has joined #openttd 10:02:05 *** Smedles has quit IRC 10:02:13 *** Smedles has joined #openttd 10:50:27 *** ToffeeYogurtPots has quit IRC 10:59:45 *** smoke_fumus has quit IRC 11:03:39 *** ToffeeYogurtPots has joined #openttd 11:06:25 *** ToffeeYogurtPots has quit IRC 11:06:38 *** ToffeeYogurtPots has joined #openttd 11:20:48 *** ToffeeYogurtPots has quit IRC 11:21:03 *** ToffeeYogurtPots has joined #openttd 11:22:05 *** ToffeeYogurtPots has quit IRC 11:23:05 *** ToffeeYogurtPots has joined #openttd 11:27:39 *** ToffeeYogurtPots has quit IRC 11:27:50 *** ToffeeYogurtPots has joined #openttd 11:36:51 *** JacobD88 has joined #openttd 11:58:14 *** Lejving__ is now known as Lejving 12:23:11 *** iSoSyS has joined #openttd 12:52:12 *** JacobD88 has quit IRC 13:02:08 *** Compu has quit IRC 13:02:57 *** iSoSyS has quit IRC 13:07:17 *** Compu has joined #openttd 13:22:38 *** RafiX has joined #openttd 13:23:32 *** ToffeeYogurtPots has quit IRC 13:47:41 *** Gustavo6046 has joined #openttd 14:05:58 *** Flygon has quit IRC 14:07:04 *** sim-al2 has joined #openttd 14:39:52 *** Samu has joined #openttd 14:56:07 *** sim-al2 has quit IRC 15:01:59 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 15:10:06 *** Gustavo6046 has quit IRC 15:13:36 *** drac_boy has joined #openttd 15:13:56 <drac_boy> hi .. and not to be silly but, as usual any interesting grf related news atm? ;) 15:13:58 <drac_boy> heh 15:39:26 *** Breckett has joined #openttd 15:43:06 <drac_boy> hallo breckett. hows your weather in germany? 15:44:25 <Breckett> hi 15:44:31 <Breckett> dark xD 15:44:39 <Breckett> mostly cloudy 15:49:46 <drac_boy> mm any snowing tho? 15:50:00 <drac_boy> its totally cloudy here today anyhow..can't even see any sign of sun 15:50:09 <drac_boy> (and its 10:51 now) 15:53:27 <RafiX> what the heck, it's 8*C here 15:53:36 <drac_boy> rafix heh :-) 15:53:46 <RafiX> I want snow back.. ;-; 15:57:50 *** Breckett_ has joined #openttd 15:58:07 <Breckett_> drac_boy: yes, a little snow 15:58:38 <Breckett_> but almost gone now ... http://www.augsburg.de/fileadmin/user_upload/header/webcam/webcamdachspitz/B_Rathausplatz_Dachspitz_00.jpg 15:58:53 <Breckett_> got a webcam too? 16:00:12 <drac_boy> mm no but I can tell you almost everything except well-salted road/sidewalk are covered in 1-3inch of snow and/or slush ... talk about a crazy first-day winter thing here 16:00:17 <drac_boy> :) 16:01:23 <RafiX> hmm, let's try to do company with cars only 16:01:43 <drac_boy> cars? not trucks? 16:01:48 <RafiX> trucks* 16:01:54 <RafiX> I need a coffee first 16:01:58 <RafiX> brb 16:02:02 <drac_boy> (or lorries, whatever your language would be) 16:02:05 <drac_boy> heh ok :) 16:04:21 *** Cubey has joined #openttd 16:04:42 *** Breckett has quit IRC 16:11:40 *** Breckett_ has quit IRC 16:11:44 * drac_boy pokes rafix with an empty mug just for humour 16:12:39 <RafiX> drac_boy: I have a full mug of coffee now 16:12:45 <drac_boy> good :p 16:13:02 <drac_boy> rafix so are you basically talking about a railless game right? 16:13:20 <RafiX> yea 16:14:03 <drac_boy> rafix mm which grf or you haven't decided how to start such game for the first time yet? 16:14:54 <RafiX> I have Polish Road Set v5 16:16:42 <drac_boy> mm don't recognize that one but if it has lorry and tractor included .. maybe some bendy buses too .. sounds like you'll probably have a good time :-) 16:18:09 <drac_boy> rafix just one optional thought if you are actually making the map .. go with something rectangular shaped (like eg 1024x256 or you know?) and not too much mountains or deep water 16:18:33 <drac_boy> thats one easy way to have just one or two "highways" with the branches off it having just a few easy curves if any at all 16:19:12 <drac_boy> (nothing like 8+ curves in one single trip making a truck somewhat depressing to use with its constant loss of top speed heh) 16:20:35 <drac_boy> rafix but anyhow have fun with whatever you do with your game ok? ;) 16:20:53 *** TheMask96 has quit IRC 16:22:18 *** TheMask96 has joined #openttd 16:24:07 <RafiX> drac_boy: well I'm doing that for fun 16:24:27 <drac_boy> rafix yeah np :) 16:24:38 <drac_boy> btw have you heard of HEQS? the tramful grf yes 16:25:04 <RafiX> I haven't tried much grfs 16:25:18 <RafiX> only this Polish Road Set and Polish PKP Trains 16:28:03 *** Thedarkb has joined #openttd 16:28:16 <drac_boy> rafix ah ok well there was that one or few (I can't recall as its been a long time ago) times I was in an online gmae and as it was a relatively smooth map (no heavy mountains) with one of the few grfs being HEQS I end up doing something a little silly.. run a 100%-trams-only company ;) 16:28:33 <drac_boy> you had to see these many trams slowly running past the farm, etca heh 16:30:46 <drac_boy> of course the one slight problem was...trams are not easy to route so had to carefully lay dedicated lines with no interaction to avoid 20 coal trams mashing up into a jam with 20 farm trams tho 16:32:12 <drac_boy> either way rafix it was interesting talking but I have to go now re lunch and more sorry .. hopefully you're around another time to talk about polish grfs if you don't mind that ok? :) 16:32:30 <RafiX> why not 16:32:52 <drac_boy> ty and bye for now ;) 16:32:55 *** drac_boy has left #openttd 16:34:10 <LordAro> drac_boy should learn what tab-complete is 16:35:18 <RafiX> well some people don't know about it 16:35:46 <LordAro> hence why they should learn :p 16:39:59 <RafiX> well I tried to teach one entire channel how to use tab-complete 16:40:28 <RafiX> they decided that it's better to not use it 16:40:59 <LordAro> how weird 16:41:13 <Thedarkb> Do you think OpenTTD will run in 128mb ram? 16:41:18 <Thedarkb> I impulse bought a cheap thinkpad. 16:41:41 <Thedarkb> I'm going to install BunsenLabs on it. 16:42:08 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 16:42:56 <RafiX> Thedarkb: on linux OpenTTD 1.7.1 uses 171MB of RAM with 128x256 map, so I don't think it will 16:43:02 <RafiX> maybe the win9x version 16:43:31 <peter1138> You bought something with only 128MB on it? 16:43:49 <RafiX> well there are people that like old laptops 16:43:50 <Thedarkb> Yeah. 16:43:50 <LordAro> there's "cheap thinkpad" and there's "cheap thinkpad from the 90s" 16:44:04 <Thedarkb> I put an SSD in it. 16:44:35 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 16:44:37 <RafiX> tfw my friend used Thinkpad with P3 and 512MB till 2015 16:44:53 <Thedarkb> I'm still on an X200 16:45:00 <Thedarkb> I have 8GB RAM though. 16:45:22 <Thedarkb> The mobo claims it only supports 4, but the docs are lying. 16:45:41 <Thedarkb> I wonder how much I could put in that X40 16:46:04 <Thedarkb> I do plan on dual booting BunsenLabs and Windows 98 so the 9x version will probably be the best bet. 16:46:07 <LordAro> with 128MB, i'd be surprised if it's even DDR 16:46:14 <LordAro> let alone anything remotely modern 16:46:26 <RafiX> I actually use HP desktop, because I'm broke 16:46:31 <RafiX> 4GB of RAM 16:46:32 <Thedarkb> DDR, 333mhz 16:46:41 <RafiX> ahh, DDR 16:46:52 <Thedarkb> 1.25GB max supported. 16:46:57 <Thedarkb> Pentium M 16:47:00 <RafiX> I have a laptop with SDRAM still 16:47:09 <RafiX> Pentium II based Celeron, 333MHz 16:47:38 <Thedarkb> It only has one RAM slot though. 16:47:49 <Thedarkb> It's empty on mine, but there's some on the Mobo 16:48:12 <Thedarkb> It's also got WiFi and a thinklight. 16:48:26 <Thedarkb> I can't use it at the moment because I broke the charger. 16:49:15 *** HerzogDeXtEr has joined #openttd 16:49:52 <RafiX> will road vehicle refit when replacing? 16:50:05 <Thedarkb> Yeah, I think they do. 16:50:35 <RafiX> hmm, I have money but it says that replace failed because of money limit 16:50:59 <RafiX> is it because of debt? 16:51:02 <Thedarkb> There's a lower cash limit you have to set. 16:51:17 <Thedarkb> It might be in the options, I'm not sure. 16:51:21 <Thedarkb> I haven't played in a while. 16:52:14 <RafiX> oh 16:52:17 <RafiX> thanks Thedarkb 16:52:34 <RafiX> that's why I got problems before.. 16:54:45 *** andythenorth has left #openttd 16:58:36 *** Gustavo6046 has joined #openttd 17:00:35 *** Stimrol has joined #openttd 17:16:02 *** bwn has quit IRC 17:30:10 *** Stimrol has quit IRC 17:40:33 *** Stimrol has joined #openttd 17:55:20 *** RafiX2 has joined #openttd 17:58:56 *** RafiX has quit IRC 18:01:16 *** glx has joined #openttd 18:01:16 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v glx 18:08:24 *** RafiX2 is now known as RafiX 18:10:43 <RafiX> damn, I made nearly 10 millions of pounds 18:30:06 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 18:30:11 <Wolf01> Moin 18:34:37 *** Progman has joined #openttd 18:54:47 *** bwn has joined #openttd 19:00:20 *** drac_boy has joined #openttd 19:02:37 <drac_boy> sorry but while doing some notes I was just wondering (seeing I never did get deep into roadvehicle's that much) .. does cargo refit also handle livery changes too? 19:12:21 *** Thedarkb has quit IRC 19:16:46 *** frosch123 has joined #openttd 19:17:05 <drac_boy> hi frosch anything interesting for you as usual? ;-) heh 19:22:20 <frosch123> it's not friday 19:22:38 <frosch123> friday is usually interesting 19:22:48 <drac_boy> heh fair enough :-p 19:22:57 <drac_boy> sadly its not even wednesday yet here either (mid-week) :-s 19:23:27 <frosch123> wed is also 3.5 hours away here 19:23:39 <frosch123> though wed noon may be more middleish 19:23:43 <drac_boy> mm its only 14:26 here :-/ 19:24:14 <drac_boy> so anyway interesting or not interesting what're you doing aside to irc tho? 19:25:40 <frosch123> pondering between sweet coffee and sweet whippet cookies 19:26:30 <drac_boy> heh I would had taken the cookie but I think you'll have to decide for yourself tho :-) 19:26:55 <RafiX> tfw playing openTTD all day 19:27:01 <frosch123> https://www.koehler-kuesse.de/deutsch/fabrikverkauf-k%C3%B6hlerk%C3%BCsse/k%C3%B6hlerk%C3%BCsse-sortiment/ <- if you want some pictures 19:27:05 <RafiX> am I getting addicted 19:27:23 <frosch123> it's a local factory 19:27:46 <drac_boy> rafix maybe 19:28:10 <RafiX> playing nonstop for 3 hours rn 19:28:37 <RafiX> started at 1950 19:28:41 <RafiX> it's 2008 19:29:07 * drac_boy has always started 1920 for as long as I can ever remember? 19:29:16 <drac_boy> :) 19:29:17 *** iSoSyS has joined #openttd 19:29:22 <RafiX> I forgot to change it 19:29:30 <drac_boy> heh fair enough yeah theres that 19:30:52 <RafiX> also I don't think there are road vehicles in grf I use in 1920 19:31:47 <drac_boy> ah hm good point .. I've never really noticed any omission in 1920 here .. other than for tiny choice of planes 19:33:06 <drac_boy> anyway frosch and rafix have fun one way or another..I need to afk for a few hours again 19:33:10 *** drac_boy has left #openttd 19:33:16 <RafiX> bye 19:33:28 *** Thedarkb has joined #openttd 20:14:11 *** CTZen has joined #openttd 20:14:17 <CTZen> happy? 20:16:11 *** iSoSyS has quit IRC 20:18:15 *** CTZen has quit IRC 20:22:30 <V453000> Yo humans 20:22:43 <V453000> I iz on iPad :D 20:22:49 <Wolf01> o/ 20:23:23 <frosch123> you can sit on it? 20:24:29 <Wolf01> I heard you can use it as a scale 20:24:30 <V453000> Yeah 20:24:41 <V453000> It’s amazing I must admit 20:25:02 <RafiX> can you run openttd on it 20:30:54 <V453000> No :) 20:31:16 <V453000> But you can draw newgrfs on it! 20:36:03 <V453000> frosch123: I wanted to go to the party but it’s already fulll which saved me :D 20:36:03 <Wolf01> You can draw F too on it? 20:36:10 <V453000> Ish, yes 20:36:35 <Wolf01> Fish? 20:36:39 <V453000> Theoretically yes but practically not so sure, the results might be too different ... or I just need to learn working with it better 20:37:02 *** techmagus has quit IRC 20:37:06 <V453000> I have it mostly just for newgrfs being drawn in places where I don’t have desktop 20:37:31 <V453000> Already downloading monument valley for scientific purposes though 20:39:14 <Wolf01> The bad part about a different ecosystem is to purchase again almost all the things 20:39:25 *** techmagus has joined #openttd 20:39:32 *** fkinglag has quit IRC 20:39:53 *** fkinglag has joined #openttd 20:40:11 <Wolf01> That's why I won't switch to android/apple if my phone will die in the future 20:40:29 <V453000> Well what would you need to repurchase? 20:40:51 <Wolf01> Games, some softwares I use 20:41:27 <Wolf01> For example I won't buy minecraft again, I already purchased it twice 20:41:34 <V453000> Well that’s always a problem yes :) I’m just curious to learn to work with this simply because the hardware is so nice 20:41:36 <V453000> Haha 20:42:10 <V453000> The pencil with the screen, procreate, battery life and weight of the whole thing are just incredible 20:45:13 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 20:46:26 <RafiX> I heard that some iPads are great for drawing with some pen 20:51:53 *** iSoSyS has joined #openttd 20:53:18 <Wolf01> http://steam250.com/ nice, F is at 6th place 20:53:30 <Eddi|zuHause> why would you need to buy minecraft twice? it's java... 20:54:00 <Wolf01> Eh, try to run java on a phone 20:54:10 <RafiX> j2me 20:55:31 <Wolf01> Yes, try to run java minecraft on a phone... it's already difficult to run it fine on a pc 20:55:51 <RafiX> why even play minecrat 20:55:54 <RafiX> minecraft* 20:56:01 <Wolf01> Because I like it 20:56:09 <RafiX> danb 20:56:11 <RafiX> damn* 20:56:18 <Eddi|zuHause> why even play anything? 20:56:33 <RafiX> why even play openttd 20:56:44 <RafiX> jk openttd is best game 20:57:27 *** FLHerne has quit IRC 20:59:50 *** FLHerne has joined #openttd 21:07:06 *** iSoSyS has quit IRC 21:08:13 *** TheHawk has joined #openttd 21:10:07 *** cHawk has quit IRC 21:10:24 *** TheHawk has quit IRC 21:15:34 *** cHawk has joined #openttd 21:16:31 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 21:27:38 *** Gja has joined #openttd 21:34:14 *** chomwitt has joined #openttd 21:48:50 *** sim-al2 has joined #openttd 22:22:34 *** RafiX has quit IRC 22:22:36 <Wolf01> 'night 22:22:40 *** Wolf01 has quit IRC 22:26:22 *** Progman has quit IRC 22:30:00 *** synchris has quit IRC 22:42:34 *** HerzogDeXtEr has quit IRC 22:48:42 *** Stimrol has quit IRC 23:33:01 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 23:37:15 *** chomwitt has quit IRC 23:46:47 *** drac_boy has joined #openttd 23:46:52 <drac_boy> hi