Log for #openttd on 12th December 2017:
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00:02:38  <ST2> drac_boy: it even works on my Kali machine
00:02:45  <drac_boy> st2 to bluntly answer your question: has anyone ever written the instructions on how to compile ottd with MPW under macos?
00:03:26  <ST2> oh, Apple
00:03:44  <ST2> how does that bit you?
00:06:09  <ST2> sorry drac_boy, guess there you're on your own and with Apple Servive
00:07:18  <drac_boy> np..mind you pcdos-2001 runs very nicely on top tho .. thats how I play tt on that computer too (with a 'cloned' folder from the freebsd hd so the only thing different is the savegame list)
00:07:39  <drac_boy> but anyway st2...we'll see but ottd somewhere next year might be a small possibility .. depending .. will have to wait to see first
00:08:29  <ST2> well drac_boy: can you compile and rum 1.7.1 now?
00:08:41  <ST2> if yes, we're good :)
00:08:57  <drac_boy> st2 anyway I dunno why I still recall it (probably because it was too much unique fun) .. I still wonder about the infrastructure sharing thing ever being included in a release version (rather than that special non-release thing I can't remember the name of now)
00:09:12  <drac_boy> I said...if anyone can mention how to compile ottd in MPW I would had been happy to run it .. sorry? :-p
00:09:38  <Flygon> drac_boy: You're still missing out on the Telegram room. I can guarantee it's in your demographic interest!
00:10:09  <ST2> drac_boy: would help saying what's a MPW
00:10:22  * drac_boy pokes flygon .. just because
00:10:32  <drac_boy> st2 hm sorry give me a moment to find the link
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00:14:21  <drac_boy> typical apple, in the last several years they have been mashing a lot of things around that its hard to find anything recent anymore (heck even a 6-months-old tech link goes to a 404 page unless you wayback it) but here you go st2
00:14:50  <ST2> it's apple related?
00:16:13  <ST2> I have an Apple VM, being updated as needed
00:16:26  <ST2> MacOS, better saying
00:16:53  <ST2> I use it to test if BTPro clients compile on it, or not
00:17:22  <ST2> and, till now, all is good
00:17:39  <ST2> so drac_boy, what's your problem?
00:18:14  <drac_boy> st2 wheres the instructions? :)
00:18:31  <ST2> instructions for what?!
00:18:55  <drac_boy> either way just asking if anyone here know the name of that other kind of build of ttd .. not the beta/release one but that one that had unusual features added in that were never in the release version
00:19:03  <drac_boy> ttd=ottd* stupid key
00:19:06  <ST2>
00:19:16  <ST2> had you checked that?
00:19:34  <drac_boy> st2 theres no macos in there or even any non-visual either
00:19:44  <ST2>
00:19:55  <ST2> wut?!
00:19:57  <drac_boy> umm osx is not the same
00:20:11  <drac_boy> (maybe thats what confused you sorry?)
00:20:43  <ST2> well, I followed those instructions and it compiled
00:20:59  <ST2> and I run it on a VM
00:21:23  <ST2> maybe youhave an outdated ot overdated MacOS
00:21:50  <ST2> for that, I'm not the person who can help you, sorry
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00:26:13  <drac_boy> anyway lets just ignore os confusions for now st2 .. I'm just curious but is there any particular train grf you like or its just a "meh whatever the game has"?
00:27:03  <ST2> drac_boy: if you knew me... you wouldn't make that question
00:27:48  <drac_boy> heh sorry? ;-)
00:28:10  <ST2> and you can check all players that hate/love me in
00:28:16  <ST2> it's not a secret
00:29:15  <ST2> I'm still preparing a 1.7.2-RC1 server, that work with our server controller
00:29:36  <ST2> the both testings, it's what matters for me
00:31:02  <drac_boy> mm well specifically in temperate I kinda have a big like for dbsetxl but also have canset too...and some (I think)older polish trainset
00:31:11  <drac_boy> wouldn't bore you with more details ;)
00:31:45  <ST2> test server I'm gonna start... no newgrf's
00:32:12  <ST2> I'm just setting the plugins loaded on server controller ^^
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00:34:49  <drac_boy> btw st2 kinda nice to see theres actually some servers that don't want planes at all
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00:35:15  <drac_boy> I recall being fed up with lazy silyl players who destroy and reserve a lot of next-to-city land for nothing but to keep sending a hoard of freight-only planes
00:35:20  <ST2> drac_boy: you only noticed that now?
00:35:40  <drac_boy> well st2 I was just browsing the 'all servers' list on that site and only thought to mention it now :P
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00:37:00  <ST2> we (BTPro) have some servers that allow Air
00:37:06  <ST2> most don't
00:37:16  <ST2> but that's our choice
00:37:49  <drac_boy> mm :-)
00:38:22  <ST2> drac_boy: maybe you never tried to join a BTPro server with name ST2
00:39:37  <ST2> well, you can do it - but have 2 minutes to identify - or will be named to Unregistered****
00:39:43  <drac_boy> also heh it was sometimes a little queer seeing a red small airport right next to a blue intercontinental airport on the same side of large city yet the small one (which was me) can happily push several hundred passengers without issue
00:39:55  <drac_boy> different players = different ideas
00:39:58  <drac_boy> (I guess)
00:40:10  <ST2> drac_boy: had you read my lines above?
00:40:33  <drac_boy> yeah I did..was a bit busy typing sorry
00:41:03  <drac_boy> and nah I wouldn't like naming myself to anything ST* anyhow :-p
00:41:28  <ST2> had you tried to join a BTPro server?
00:41:32  <drac_boy> although someone going by the name Atari ST could be a funny one to screencap tho
00:41:42  <ST2> had you tried to join a BTPro server?
00:41:48  <drac_boy> st2..I might had a long time ago..don't recall sorry
00:42:52  <ST2> drac_boy: guess you only play OpenTTD SP mode - not that I mind
00:43:12  <ST2> but many stuff I can say here it's related to MP games
00:44:07  <drac_boy> np hm well st2 I kinda need to afk re some for-20:00 things here sorry .. talk about grfs or something more simple another day ok? ;)
00:44:11  <drac_boy> and bye to you too flygon
00:44:25  <ST2> typical xD
00:44:32  <ST2> take care o/
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15:13:56  <drac_boy> hi .. and not to be silly but, as usual any interesting grf related news atm? ;)
15:13:58  <drac_boy> heh
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15:43:06  <drac_boy> hallo breckett. hows your weather in germany?
15:44:25  <Breckett> hi
15:44:31  <Breckett> dark xD
15:44:39  <Breckett> mostly cloudy
15:49:46  <drac_boy> mm any snowing tho?
15:50:00  <drac_boy> its totally cloudy here today anyhow..can't even see any sign of sun
15:50:09  <drac_boy> (and its 10:51 now)
15:53:27  <RafiX> what the heck, it's 8*C here
15:53:36  <drac_boy> rafix heh :-)
15:53:46  <RafiX> I want snow back.. ;-;
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15:58:07  <Breckett_> drac_boy: yes, a little snow
15:58:38  <Breckett_> but almost gone now ...
15:58:53  <Breckett_> got a webcam too?
16:00:12  <drac_boy> mm no but I can tell you almost everything except well-salted road/sidewalk are covered in 1-3inch of snow and/or slush ... talk about a crazy first-day winter thing here
16:00:17  <drac_boy> :)
16:01:23  <RafiX> hmm, let's try to do company with cars only
16:01:43  <drac_boy> cars? not trucks?
16:01:48  <RafiX> trucks*
16:01:54  <RafiX> I need a coffee first
16:01:58  <RafiX> brb
16:02:02  <drac_boy> (or lorries, whatever your language would be)
16:02:05  <drac_boy> heh ok :)
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16:11:44  * drac_boy pokes rafix with an empty mug just for humour
16:12:39  <RafiX> drac_boy: I have a full mug of coffee now
16:12:45  <drac_boy> good :p
16:13:02  <drac_boy> rafix so are you basically talking about a railless game right?
16:13:20  <RafiX> yea
16:14:03  <drac_boy> rafix mm which grf or you haven't decided how to start such game for the first time yet?
16:14:54  <RafiX> I have Polish Road Set v5
16:16:42  <drac_boy> mm don't recognize that one but if it has lorry and tractor included .. maybe some bendy buses too .. sounds like you'll probably have a good time :-)
16:18:09  <drac_boy> rafix just one optional thought if you are actually making the map .. go with something rectangular shaped (like eg 1024x256 or you know?) and not too much mountains or deep water
16:18:33  <drac_boy> thats one easy way to have just one or two "highways" with the branches off it having just a few easy curves if any at all
16:19:12  <drac_boy> (nothing like 8+ curves in one single trip making a truck somewhat depressing to use with its constant loss of top speed heh)
16:20:35  <drac_boy> rafix but anyhow have fun with whatever you do with your game ok? ;)
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16:24:07  <RafiX> drac_boy: well I'm doing that for fun
16:24:27  <drac_boy> rafix yeah np :)
16:24:38  <drac_boy> btw have you heard of HEQS? the tramful grf yes
16:25:04  <RafiX> I haven't tried much grfs
16:25:18  <RafiX> only this Polish Road Set and Polish PKP Trains
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16:28:16  <drac_boy> rafix ah ok well there was that one or few (I can't recall as its been a long time ago) times I was in an online gmae and as it was a relatively smooth map (no heavy mountains) with one of the few grfs being HEQS I end up doing something a little silly.. run a 100%-trams-only company ;)
16:28:33  <drac_boy> you had to see these many trams slowly running past the farm, etca heh
16:30:46  <drac_boy> of course the one slight problem was...trams are not easy to route so had to carefully lay dedicated lines with no interaction to avoid 20 coal trams mashing up into a jam with 20 farm trams tho
16:32:12  <drac_boy> either way rafix it was interesting talking but I have to go now re lunch and more sorry .. hopefully you're around another time to talk about polish grfs if you don't mind that ok? :)
16:32:30  <RafiX> why not
16:32:52  <drac_boy> ty and bye for now ;)
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16:34:10  <LordAro> drac_boy should learn what tab-complete is
16:35:18  <RafiX> well some people don't know about it
16:35:46  <LordAro> hence why they should learn :p
16:39:59  <RafiX> well I tried to teach one entire channel how to use tab-complete
16:40:28  <RafiX> they decided that it's better to not use it
16:40:59  <LordAro> how weird
16:41:13  <Thedarkb> Do you think OpenTTD will run in 128mb ram?
16:41:18  <Thedarkb> I impulse bought a cheap thinkpad.
16:41:41  <Thedarkb> I'm going to install BunsenLabs on it.
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16:42:56  <RafiX> Thedarkb: on linux OpenTTD 1.7.1 uses 171MB of RAM with 128x256 map, so I don't think it will
16:43:02  <RafiX> maybe the win9x version
16:43:31  <peter1138> You bought something with only 128MB on it?
16:43:49  <RafiX> well there are people that like old laptops
16:43:50  <Thedarkb> Yeah.
16:43:50  <LordAro> there's "cheap thinkpad" and there's "cheap thinkpad from the 90s"
16:44:04  <Thedarkb> I put an SSD in it.
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16:44:37  <RafiX> tfw my friend used Thinkpad with P3 and 512MB till 2015
16:44:53  <Thedarkb> I'm still on an X200
16:45:00  <Thedarkb> I have 8GB RAM though.
16:45:22  <Thedarkb> The mobo claims it only supports 4, but the docs are lying.
16:45:41  <Thedarkb> I wonder how much I could put in that X40
16:46:04  <Thedarkb> I do plan on dual booting BunsenLabs and Windows 98 so the 9x version will probably be the best bet.
16:46:07  <LordAro> with 128MB, i'd be surprised if it's even DDR
16:46:14  <LordAro> let alone anything remotely modern
16:46:26  <RafiX> I actually use HP desktop, because I'm broke
16:46:31  <RafiX> 4GB of RAM
16:46:32  <Thedarkb> DDR, 333mhz
16:46:41  <RafiX> ahh, DDR
16:46:52  <Thedarkb> 1.25GB max supported.
16:46:57  <Thedarkb> Pentium M
16:47:00  <RafiX> I have a laptop with SDRAM still
16:47:09  <RafiX> Pentium II based Celeron, 333MHz
16:47:38  <Thedarkb> It only has one RAM slot though.
16:47:49  <Thedarkb> It's empty on mine, but there's some on the Mobo
16:48:12  <Thedarkb> It's also got WiFi and a thinklight.
16:48:26  <Thedarkb> I can't use it at the moment because I broke the charger.
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16:49:52  <RafiX> will road vehicle refit when replacing?
16:50:05  <Thedarkb> Yeah, I think they do.
16:50:35  <RafiX> hmm, I have money but it says that replace failed because of money limit
16:50:59  <RafiX> is it because of debt?
16:51:02  <Thedarkb> There's a lower cash limit you have to set.
16:51:17  <Thedarkb> It might be in the options, I'm not sure.
16:51:21  <Thedarkb> I haven't played in a while.
16:52:14  <RafiX> oh
16:52:17  <RafiX> thanks Thedarkb
16:52:34  <RafiX> that's why I got problems before..
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18:10:43  <RafiX> damn, I made nearly 10 millions of pounds
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18:30:11  <Wolf01> Moin
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19:02:37  <drac_boy> sorry but while doing some notes I was just wondering (seeing I never did get deep into roadvehicle's that much) .. does cargo refit also handle livery changes too?
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19:17:05  <drac_boy> hi frosch anything interesting for you as usual? ;-) heh
19:22:20  <frosch123> it's not friday
19:22:38  <frosch123> friday is usually interesting
19:22:48  <drac_boy> heh fair enough :-p
19:22:57  <drac_boy> sadly its not even wednesday yet here either (mid-week) :-s
19:23:27  <frosch123> wed is also 3.5 hours away here
19:23:39  <frosch123> though wed noon may be more middleish
19:23:43  <drac_boy> mm its only 14:26 here :-/
19:24:14  <drac_boy> so anyway interesting or not interesting what're you doing aside to irc tho?
19:25:40  <frosch123> pondering between sweet coffee and sweet whippet cookies
19:26:30  <drac_boy> heh I would had taken the cookie but I think you'll have to decide for yourself tho :-)
19:26:55  <RafiX> tfw playing openTTD all day
19:27:01  <frosch123> <- if you want some pictures
19:27:05  <RafiX> am I getting addicted
19:27:23  <frosch123> it's a local factory
19:27:46  <drac_boy> rafix maybe
19:28:10  <RafiX> playing nonstop for 3 hours rn
19:28:37  <RafiX> started at 1950
19:28:41  <RafiX> it's 2008
19:29:07  * drac_boy has always started 1920 for as long as I can ever remember?
19:29:16  <drac_boy> :)
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19:29:22  <RafiX> I forgot to change it
19:29:30  <drac_boy> heh fair enough yeah theres that
19:30:52  <RafiX> also I don't think there are road vehicles in grf I use in 1920
19:31:47  <drac_boy> ah hm good point .. I've never really noticed any omission in 1920 here .. other than for tiny choice of planes
19:33:06  <drac_boy> anyway frosch and rafix have fun one way or another..I need to afk for a few hours again
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19:33:16  <RafiX> bye
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20:14:17  <CTZen> happy?
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20:22:30  <V453000> Yo humans
20:22:43  <V453000> I iz on iPad :D
20:22:49  <Wolf01> o/
20:23:23  <frosch123> you can sit on it?
20:24:29  <Wolf01> I heard you can use it as a scale
20:24:30  <V453000> Yeah
20:24:41  <V453000> It’s amazing I must admit
20:25:02  <RafiX> can you run openttd on it
20:30:54  <V453000> No :)
20:31:16  <V453000> But you can draw newgrfs on it!
20:36:03  <V453000> frosch123: I wanted to go to the party but it’s already fulll which saved me :D
20:36:03  <Wolf01> You can draw F too on it?
20:36:10  <V453000> Ish, yes
20:36:35  <Wolf01> Fish?
20:36:39  <V453000> Theoretically yes but practically not so sure, the results might be too different ... or I just need to learn working with it better
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20:37:06  <V453000> I have it mostly just for newgrfs being drawn in places where I don’t have desktop
20:37:31  <V453000> Already downloading monument valley for scientific purposes though
20:39:14  <Wolf01> The bad part about a different ecosystem is to purchase again almost all the things
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20:40:11  <Wolf01> That's why I won't switch to android/apple if my phone will die in the future
20:40:29  <V453000> Well what would you need to repurchase?
20:40:51  <Wolf01> Games, some softwares I use
20:41:27  <Wolf01> For example I won't buy minecraft again, I already purchased it twice
20:41:34  <V453000> Well that’s always a problem yes :) I’m just curious to learn to work with this simply because the hardware is so nice
20:41:36  <V453000> Haha
20:42:10  <V453000> The pencil with the screen, procreate, battery life and weight of the whole thing are just incredible
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20:46:26  <RafiX> I heard that some iPads are great for drawing with some pen
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20:53:18  <Wolf01> nice, F is at 6th place
20:53:30  <Eddi|zuHause> why would you need to buy minecraft twice? it's java...
20:54:00  <Wolf01> Eh, try to run java on a phone
20:54:10  <RafiX> j2me
20:55:31  <Wolf01> Yes, try to run java minecraft on a phone... it's already difficult to run it fine on a pc
20:55:51  <RafiX> why even play minecrat
20:55:54  <RafiX> minecraft*
20:56:01  <Wolf01> Because I like it
20:56:09  <RafiX> danb
20:56:11  <RafiX> damn*
20:56:18  <Eddi|zuHause> why even play anything?
20:56:33  <RafiX> why even play openttd
20:56:44  <RafiX> jk openttd is best game
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22:22:36  <Wolf01> 'night
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23:46:52  <drac_boy> hi

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