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00:06:22 *** KouDy has quit IRC 01:11:09 *** KouDy has joined #openttd 01:14:13 *** Thedarkb-X40 has quit IRC 01:18:16 *** KouDy has quit IRC 01:30:41 <LANJesus> Eddi|zuHause: RIP dialup users 01:30:52 <LANJesus> or satellite 01:39:28 *** supermop has joined #openttd 01:43:18 *** Tshaydin has joined #openttd 01:46:26 *** Tshaydin has quit IRC 02:05:55 *** ToBeFree has joined #openttd 02:09:30 *** supermop has quit IRC 02:10:48 *** dpk has quit IRC 02:10:53 *** dpk has joined #openttd 02:11:17 *** Mavy_ has joined #openttd 02:11:37 *** Mavy has quit IRC 02:22:52 *** supermop has joined #openttd 02:36:01 *** ToBeFree has quit IRC 02:49:44 *** Flygon has joined #openttd 02:54:01 *** muffindrake1 has joined #openttd 02:55:53 *** muffindrake has quit IRC 02:56:08 *** ccfreak2k has quit IRC 02:58:05 *** ccfreak2k has joined #openttd 03:28:19 *** glx has quit IRC 03:38:31 *** planetmaker_ has joined #openttd 03:44:48 *** Guest4582 has quit IRC 04:22:40 *** KouDy has joined #openttd 04:29:48 *** KouDy has quit IRC 04:41:42 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 04:46:00 *** supermop has quit IRC 04:49:30 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 05:47:34 *** Cubey has quit IRC 05:53:18 *** KouDy has joined #openttd 06:01:37 *** gelignite has quit IRC 06:24:34 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 06:24:50 <peter1138> Hi 06:32:16 <andythenorth> moin 06:36:19 *** ToffeeYogurtPots has joined #openttd 07:20:38 *** mijndert has joined #openttd 07:56:05 *** ToffeeYogurtPots has quit IRC 08:20:49 *** Arveen2 has quit IRC 08:31:14 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 08:35:00 *** Anikhtos has joined #openttd 08:37:22 *** Arveen has joined #openttd 08:41:42 *** Anikhtos has quit IRC 08:48:00 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 08:52:51 *** chomwitt has joined #openttd 09:01:34 <peter1138> https://www.pcgamer.com/developers-fear-for-mac-gaming-as-apple-deprecates-opengl-support/ 09:02:07 <Eddi|zuHause> why would apple ever follow standards? 09:02:24 <Eddi|zuHause> like, say, usb ports 09:02:29 <Eddi|zuHause> headphone plugs 09:03:22 *** m3henry has joined #openttd 09:07:53 <__ln__> Eddi|zuHause: i though Safari used to be ahead of other browsers at following HTML standards at some point of time. 09:14:54 *** berndj-blackout has joined #openttd 09:15:22 *** Stimrol has quit IRC 09:15:22 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: that was like 10,15 years ago? 09:15:39 *** Stimrol has joined #openttd 09:16:04 *** TheMask96- has joined #openttd 09:16:04 *** TheMask96 has quit IRC 09:16:15 *** KouDy has quit IRC 09:16:25 *** berndj has quit IRC 09:16:27 <__ln__> Eddi|zuHause: well within the bounds of "ever" then. 09:17:48 *** KouDy has joined #openttd 09:31:14 <mijndert> would this mean a major rewrite for openttd? 09:31:36 <peter1138> No, we don't use it at the moment. 09:32:36 <m3henry> Sorry, I'm missing some context? 09:40:32 <m3henry> Oh I see, yeah, not an issue. It's not a surprising move my Apple, not sure if it will backfire or not. 09:40:37 <m3henry> by* 09:42:01 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 10:04:12 <peter1138> Well, as long as it doesn't get removed. 10:11:56 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 10:43:15 *** Thedarkb-X40 has joined #openttd 11:02:26 *** Thedarkb-X40 has quit IRC 11:15:53 <peter1138> orudge 11:16:04 <peter1138> tt-forums.net certificate just expired 11:16:22 <andythenorth> LE 11:16:32 <andythenorth> is not 100% reliable :) 11:17:07 <peter1138> I can't even see that it is a LE cert, Firefox refuses to tell me :S 11:18:48 <peter1138> I set up nagios to monitor all my certificates for expiry. 11:18:53 <LordAro> has it been 3 months already? 11:19:33 <peter1138> Chrome at least lets you view the certificate. 11:19:48 <peter1138> Hmm, and also overrides the HSTS settings. 11:20:40 <orudge> Blargh 11:21:24 <__ln__> LE usually fails because of SELinux 11:21:35 <orudge> The certificate was renewed fine, it just doesn't seem to restart the web server correctly 11:21:45 <peter1138> My usual reason for LE failing is it's not a website :p 11:21:57 <peter1138> I still need to automate my DNS updates :S 11:45:18 *** Thedarkb-X40 has joined #openttd 12:05:21 *** supermop has joined #openttd 12:29:38 <Eddi|zuHause> orudge: nothing a hacky crontab entry can't fix :p 12:33:58 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 12:39:23 *** Thedarkb-X40 has quit IRC 13:10:12 <orudge> Eddi|zuHause: well, quite 13:10:15 <orudge> it might come to that 13:11:21 <LordAro> there's reason i just set nginx to restart every month 13:11:25 <LordAro> it's easier :p 13:11:59 <Eddi|zuHause> LordAro: well, it has to align with the renewal 13:12:56 <LordAro> most autorenew scripts do so a month before expiry 13:13:15 <LordAro> but if not, weekly wouldn't be awful either 13:13:36 <Eddi|zuHause> that makes sense 13:17:20 <peter1138> Restart it during the backup job. 13:17:49 <peter1138> My webservers get reloaded every night anyway, for log rotation purposes. 13:18:03 <peter1138> That's a standard Apache+Debian thing. 13:18:33 <LordAro> apache is unreliable at reloading certificates, i've found 13:21:12 <Eddi|zuHause> have two redundant webservers and restart each at different times :p 13:22:24 <peter1138> LordAro, it's not instant, but as you say, it's generally a month before it actually expires, so it's more than sufficient. 13:23:07 <LordAro> there's several LE autorenewers out there that can run a script (i.e. webserver reload/restart) when it autorenews 13:23:13 <andythenorth> supervisord :P 13:23:17 <LordAro> would be surprised if certbot itself can't do it 13:23:51 <mijndert> certbot -q renew --renew-hook "service nginx reload" 13:23:57 <andythenorth> seems we use a cron job to renew LE and restart apache when needed 13:24:03 <LordAro> see, told you 13:24:03 <LordAro> :p 13:24:05 <andythenorth> that works on a fleet size of about 150 :P 13:24:30 <andythenorth> occasionally we hit a LE throttle limit if a lot of certs renew at once 13:25:08 <Eddi|zuHause> add a random delay to each? 13:25:27 <andythenorth> we're staggering them 13:25:32 <andythenorth> afaik 13:25:41 <andythenorth> it's an artefact of switching a lot over at once 13:25:53 <andythenorth> from thawte or whatever 13:26:02 *** Thedarkb-X40 has joined #openttd 13:27:03 <Eddi|zuHause> there was a talk once about people developing a torrent tracker, and they had to put a random into the return interval 13:27:18 <Eddi|zuHause> to spread out waves, e.g. after failures 13:28:04 <Eddi|zuHause> because as soon as they get back on, a huge chunk of requests come at once. and if you give them the same interval, they continue to come back at once 13:28:15 <Eddi|zuHause> if you add some randomness, that evens out after a while 13:31:18 *** KouDy has quit IRC 13:33:23 *** mijndert has quit IRC 13:42:58 *** nielsm has joined #openttd 14:03:02 *** Wacko1976 has joined #openttd 14:24:23 *** KouDy has joined #openttd 14:30:24 *** supermop has quit IRC 14:30:30 *** Alberth has joined #openttd 14:30:30 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Alberth 14:35:43 *** KouDy has quit IRC 15:04:13 *** synchris has joined #openttd 15:10:28 *** tokai has joined #openttd 15:10:28 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai 15:17:28 *** tokai|noir has quit IRC 15:19:23 *** frosch123 has joined #openttd 15:20:55 *** KouDy has joined #openttd 15:21:50 *** LANJesus has quit IRC 15:22:03 *** LANJesus has joined #openttd 15:35:47 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 15:35:59 *** Gja has joined #openttd 15:37:05 *** Thedarkb has joined #openttd 15:39:36 *** Gja has quit IRC 15:43:23 *** Thedarkb-X40 has quit IRC 15:52:44 *** planetmaker_ has quit IRC 15:59:08 *** Cubey has joined #openttd 16:01:54 *** HerzogDeXtEr has joined #openttd 16:02:25 *** KouDy has quit IRC 16:05:57 *** Progman has joined #openttd 16:08:09 *** Cubey has quit IRC 16:08:52 *** Cubey has joined #openttd 16:26:22 *** Flygon has quit IRC 16:27:50 *** m3henry has quit IRC 16:34:17 *** Gja has joined #openttd 16:40:42 *** TheMask96- has quit IRC 16:44:03 *** Thedarkb has quit IRC 16:45:01 *** Thedarkb has joined #openttd 16:45:05 *** TheMask96 has joined #openttd 16:49:30 *** nauticalnexus has quit IRC 16:49:31 *** Sacro has quit IRC 16:49:31 *** Maarten has quit IRC 16:49:31 *** Sylf has quit IRC 16:49:31 *** TinoDidriksen has quit IRC 16:49:31 *** mikegrb has quit IRC 16:50:05 *** Sacro has joined #openttd 16:50:06 *** Sylf has joined #openttd 16:50:19 *** mikegrb has joined #openttd 16:52:19 *** nauticalnexus has joined #openttd 16:53:16 *** Maarten has joined #openttd 16:53:24 *** TinoDidriksen has joined #openttd 16:54:04 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 16:59:08 *** KouDy has joined #openttd 17:01:18 <andythenorth> well 17:01:56 <LordAro> no. 17:02:15 <andythenorth> exactly 17:02:21 <andythenorth> also bbl 17:02:21 *** andythenorth has left #openttd 17:03:17 *** FLHerne has quit IRC 17:03:34 *** FLHerne has joined #openttd 17:04:02 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 17:06:27 <Wolf01> o/ 17:07:40 <Alberth> o/ 17:08:09 *** KouDy has quit IRC 17:36:39 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 17:37:31 <Wolf01> o/ 17:37:44 <andythenorth> lo 17:38:45 *** glx has joined #openttd 17:38:45 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v glx 17:42:11 <andythenorth> the scale is wrong http://www.railpictures.net/photo/660170/ 17:43:47 *** Thedarkb has quit IRC 17:57:38 *** KouDy has joined #openttd 17:58:22 *** Thedarkb has joined #openttd 18:11:41 *** Gja has joined #openttd 18:12:39 <andythenorth> so what happened on openttd github today? o_O 18:12:51 <andythenorth> or microgit as we have to call it now :) 18:13:23 <Eddi|zuHause> gitlive? 18:13:46 <nielsm> git 365 18:13:59 <Eddi|zuHause> git for windows live 18:19:49 <andythenorth> binghub 18:20:54 <andythenorth> did we successfully increase the PR count? o_O 18:22:24 * andythenorth tries to find project with most open PRs 18:22:29 <andythenorth> this didn't have the answer https://blog.jessfraz.com/post/analyzing-github-pull-request-data-with-big-query/ 18:49:34 <TrueBrain> peter1138: ship that dropping of DirectX Music shit already :P 18:51:03 <nielsm> directmusic isn't being dropped, it's already been replaced with a rewrite that doesn't depend on a 10 year old directx sdk 18:51:20 <nielsm> (and also works on 64 bit builds) 18:52:54 <andythenorth> TrueBrain: ship NRT already :) https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/6811 19:21:21 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 19:34:53 <michi_cc> TrueBrain: You don't need any DirectX part anymore that isn't part of the standard Windows SDK. 19:39:53 <nielsm> so anyway, what's my dosmusic patch waiting for? :( 19:40:28 <nielsm> (the other month+ old PRs could also do with some kind of update I think) 19:40:44 <michi_cc> LordAro: You requested changes to 6775 ^^^ 19:41:17 <nielsm> I addressed everything 19:41:27 <nielsm> except for BeOS still being supported :P 19:43:36 *** ToffeeYogurtPots has joined #openttd 19:44:32 <LordAro> ono 19:45:36 <LordAro> happy? 19:45:51 <michi_cc> frosch123: You last commented on 6751 and 6754 with some change wishes. If you feel them required, you should probably 'request changes' (sends a clear signal to the author) or we either merge or close them. 19:46:05 * nielsm performs a dance to the TTO title tune 19:47:57 *** Gja has quit IRC 19:55:23 *** Supercheese has joined #openttd 19:56:37 <nielsm> hmm I think I should start over with the remaining music changes I made, possibly even a major overhaul of the logic in music_gui.cpp (which is somewhat convoluted right now) 19:56:58 <nielsm> (might even end up with support for mixing multiple music sets into a single playlist, who knows) 19:57:25 <michi_cc> nielsm: src\music\midifile.cpp(995): warning C4267: "Initialisierung": Konvertierung von "size_t" nach "uint32", Datenverlust möglich 19:57:52 <michi_cc> Not really important at all, but a cast would remove one message :) 19:58:15 <nielsm> oh right, I never make 64 bit builds 19:58:31 <nielsm> (because the first time I tried it crashed the compiler, although I actually know I can make them now) 20:02:36 *** synchris has quit IRC 20:02:59 <LordAro> nielsm: nice. 20:06:19 <frosch123> LordAro: what to do with 6781? 20:07:26 <frosch123> the CompanyProperties change looks non-trivial at best 20:07:59 <frosch123> also there is a replacement in company_cmd from 0 to INVALID_TILE 20:08:10 <frosch123> can you remove the non-trivial changes? 20:09:02 <frosch123> also, wasn't there an analysis result of the unoptimised blitter code with std::copy? 20:09:31 <LordAro> bleh, i guess i could 20:09:39 <LordAro> not sure it would be correct though :p 20:10:08 <LordAro> i didn't do any actual metrics, but i didn't notice any difference with basic scrolling around 20:10:27 <frosch123> wasn't there some disassembly? 20:10:46 <nielsm> the purpose of the unoptimized blitter is to be "obviously correct" I assume? 20:10:57 <nielsm> then the speed of it shouldn't really be a concern imho 20:11:02 <LordAro> godbolt demonstrated that stdcopy didn't actually compild quite as neatly as memcpy 20:11:15 <LordAro> in a completely unoptimised build 20:11:24 <LordAro> (am in pub, apologise for typos) 20:12:55 *** Alberth has left #openttd 20:23:35 <michi_cc> nielsm: If you push an update for that warning I'll merge your PR (unless somebody has objections, but then he should speak or be silent forever :) 20:24:17 <Wolf01> Like a marriage 20:24:46 <andythenorth> that is not marriage as I know it :P 20:24:52 <andythenorth> oh marriage ceremony I see :P 20:25:18 <andythenorth> actual marriage is more like 'has objections and voices them for years afterwards' 20:27:32 <frosch123> marriage/wedding is just as complicated as save/safe or proof/prove 20:28:09 <nielsm> michi_cc I'll just make it a new commit on top, that's fine right? :) 20:28:19 <nielsm> instead of rebasing everything again 20:28:19 <andythenorth> did I post the roofs/rooves thread? 20:28:29 <andythenorth> it's everything wrong with the internet 20:28:50 <andythenorth> I think I posted already, but http://grammarist.com/usage/roofs-rooves/ 20:28:58 <andythenorth> comments => evening lost :P 20:28:59 <Wolf01> And don't forget dwarfs/dwarves 20:29:06 <LordAro> ..rooves? 20:29:11 <LordAro> burn them 20:30:23 <LordAro> Wolf01: dorfs 20:30:31 <michi_cc> nielsm: I'm not going to squash, so whatever you do will be visible for all eternity. 20:31:04 <Wolf01> And fish/ghoti 20:31:14 <frosch123> LordAro: the half-life of irregular verbs caled with the square root of usage frequency 20:31:21 <frosch123> ^^ one of my favorite quotes 20:31:31 <frosch123> *scales 20:33:22 <nielsm> michi_cc: there 20:38:05 <michi_cc> TrueBrain: Any chance you can run PR#6798 through whatever you intend the Windows compile to be? 20:48:16 *** iSoSyS has joined #openttd 21:01:03 <Wolf01> 'night 21:01:05 *** Wolf01 has quit IRC 21:05:45 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 21:10:23 *** KouDy has quit IRC 21:46:04 *** andythenorth has left #openttd 21:50:27 *** nielsm has quit IRC 21:57:13 *** Progman has quit IRC 21:58:37 *** gelignite has quit IRC 22:02:39 *** KouDy has joined #openttd 22:07:20 *** berndj-blackout is now known as berndj 22:29:04 *** KouDy has quit IRC 22:36:40 *** iSoSyS has quit IRC 22:41:55 *** KouDy has joined #openttd 22:47:05 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 23:05:48 *** JacobD88 has joined #openttd 23:07:19 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 23:09:01 *** HerzogDeXtEr has quit IRC 23:12:13 *** Stimrol has quit IRC 23:23:12 *** KouDy has quit IRC