Log for #openttd on 18th July 2018:
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08:02:39  <Exec> Hi
08:02:42  <Exec> How do I get a remote server's info (the one that shows up with the current year, etc.) from cli?
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08:20:00  <Alkel_U3> well, there's getdate command
08:20:23  <peter1138> For a remote server?
08:20:26  <Alkel_U3> what do you mean by etc.?
08:23:21  <Alkel_U3> I assumed it means his remote server, to check on it without having to fire up openttd. If we're talking about using shell to check up on other people's serves, I have no idea.
08:24:04  <Alkel_U3> But yes, should've asked first, assume later :P
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08:47:15  <Exec> [10:23:21] <Alkel_U3> >If we're talking about using shell to check up on other people's serves, I have no idea.
08:47:21  <Exec> Yup, pretty much that
08:49:19  <Exec> Also, does openttd not have a non-ingame console interface? That ~ key one
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08:52:32  <CTZen> ppl!
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08:52:53  <LordAro> where?
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08:54:09  <CTZen> pls tell me reddit s3 ip
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08:55:46  <peter1138> o/
09:00:37  <TrueBrain> yes, I also always join random IRC channels to ask random facts in life :D
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09:31:47  <LordAro> TrueBrain: and then leave immediately, of course
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10:23:03  <andythenorth> o/
10:23:14  <andythenorth> this channel is mostly greetings
10:23:25  <LordAro> well whose fault is that?
10:26:43  <andythenorth> couldn't say
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10:34:44  <andythenorth> @seen dorpsgek
10:34:44  <DorpsGek> andythenorth: I have not seen dorpsgek.
10:34:49  <andythenorth> @seen supermop
10:34:50  <DorpsGek> andythenorth: supermop was last seen in #openttd 1 week, 6 days, 17 hours, 7 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <supermop> i want rich tree biome simulation in openttd
10:42:50  <peter1138> @seen commits
10:42:51  <DorpsGek> peter1138: I have not seen commits.
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11:19:59  <LordAro> ayy
11:35:24  <Eddi|zuHause> anyone remember the time when there was commits?
11:38:26  <planetmaker> \o (continuing the proclaimed trend) ;)
11:40:55  <peter1138> Yeah, there used to be commits.
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12:00:23  <andythenorth> if a commit falls in a forest
12:00:27  <andythenorth> and nobody is there to hear it
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12:08:30  <planetmaker> andythenorth, that poses the question: is the forest real in that case?
12:08:37  <andythenorth> it does
12:09:02  <SpComb> if you commit without ever pushing, does that commit exist?
12:09:42  <planetmaker> it's the same as the talk in the forum's development section then ;)
12:10:21  <Sacro>
12:10:32  <Sacro> apt-get install nodejs provides openttd, how lovely :D
12:10:43  <andythenorth> ugh development forum
12:10:52  <andythenorth> such a waste of all time for participants :)
12:14:37  <peter1138> Much like our PR list
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12:18:01  <Eddi|zuHause> so, we should shut down the project to prevent everyon from wasting their time on a 20 year old game, which isn't real anyway?
12:18:03  <SpComb> what's wrong with the list of open PRs?
12:20:07  <SpComb> hey, some even have reviews
12:20:28  <SpComb> ...okay, one of them does
12:22:13  <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: the project isn't real, how would we shut it ?
12:22:17  <Eddi|zuHause> ok, there's a cat calmly lying next to me, but as soon as i make any move, she will jump up and demand food...
12:22:42  <andythenorth> is this a new type of trolley problem?
12:23:09  <Eddi|zuHause> sure...
12:23:53  <peter1138> Maybe I should dual-boot my home PC again.
12:24:23  <peter1138> Since the last update, the (Hyper-V) VM guest is horribly slow...
12:24:36  <peter1138> And Visual Studio is bloody horrible.
12:24:44  <Eddi|zuHause> spectre?
12:25:16  <andythenorth> virtualbox got horrible too
12:25:58  <peter1138> Well, actually the guest is fine, but graphics perform is terrible.
12:26:20  <peter1138> performance
12:26:34  <Eddi|zuHause> in other news, i finally got a DX11 game to run in wine
12:27:14  <peter1138> Heh
12:27:33  <peter1138> Will it run on a GPU that doesn't support DX11 in Windows? :D
12:28:03  <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think so :p
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12:28:42  <Eddi|zuHause> but i have a Radeon HD 7750, which is just about DX11 capable
12:28:56  <Eddi|zuHause> with the right drivers
12:30:03  <Eddi|zuHause> that card should be about 5 years old now
12:30:46  <peter1138> Is it not?
12:31:12  <Eddi|zuHause> i don't remember
12:32:33  <Arveen> i think that card is from 2011 or 2012
12:32:41  <Eddi|zuHause> "04.04.13"
12:32:52  <Eddi|zuHause> seems to be the date i ordered it
12:33:08  <SpComb> design itself will be older
12:33:34  <Eddi|zuHause> it was the newest generation back then, and something in the lower price range
12:34:25  <Eddi|zuHause> 82€+10€ shipping
12:37:15  <SpComb> wouldn't run crysis at ultra quality
12:38:14  <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think it runs anything at ultra quality :p
12:39:36  <SpComb> tsk, what a bad deal, the 970 GTX that I bought only costs €50-80
12:42:36  <SpComb> hmm, 9 launch price in 2014... what does that get you now, a GTX 1060 I suppose
12:45:31  <Arveen> i got this fancy TVGA 9000 laying around. 9000 > 1060, so i win ?
12:46:10  <peter1138> Tseng Labs ET6000 woo
12:46:11  <SpComb> right, even the 1060 is now two years old
12:46:41  <SpComb> doesn't sound like a goos time to be upgrading graphics cards
12:48:27  <peter1138> Indeed, the bitcoin bollocks made the high end cards unaffordable right when I wanted one :(
12:48:27  <SpComb> the GTX 1070 is still retailing for like €500, way too expensive
12:48:40  <Eddi|zuHause> i once had an ET4000
12:48:41  <peter1138> And now they are back to where they were, just, but 8 months older.
12:49:33  <SpComb> GTX 1070 launched 2016-08 with MSRP 9
12:49:58  <SpComb> am I just looking in the wrong place or what
12:50:22  <peter1138> Yeah, not the US :/
12:50:56  <Eddi|zuHause> american prices are without VAT and stuff?
12:51:11  <peter1138> That too.
12:51:49  <Eddi|zuHause> my 92€ are 77€ without taxes
12:52:59  <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb: back then i specifically decided to go for the newest generation, as the main reason i wanted a new card was that my old one fell out of driver maintenance, which i felt was pretty short
12:53:52  <Eddi|zuHause> i could have gotten similar-performance-level previous generation for less than that
12:56:34  <peter1138> I "need" a 1080ti for VR.
12:56:43  <peter1138> 670 is a bit pants :p
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13:11:28  <SpComb> ok, helps a little if you can tell the difference between a 1070 and 1070ti, but still slightly above MSPR for a 2016 card
13:12:05  <SpComb> doesn't make any sense at all to upgrade from a 970 I suppose
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13:26:51  <peter1138> Probably not at this time.
13:29:24  <LordAro> things are starting to normalise again though
13:29:26  <LordAro> which is nice
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15:47:19  <Alberth> o/
16:02:43  <andythenorth> lo Alberth
16:05:12  * andythenorth working on town cargos
16:05:24  <andythenorth> need some kind of insight :P
16:07:30  <Alberth> :o
16:07:58  <Alberth> solar panels, I think
16:08:10  <Alberth> or energy and internet
16:08:14  <andythenorth> lol
16:08:22  <andythenorth> is it meat, dairy, fruit, flour?
16:08:33  <andythenorth> or fresh food, processed food, frozen food?
16:08:44  <andythenorth> or is it food, drink
16:09:27  <Alberth> you don't want too many, unless you want city mayhem :p
16:09:30  <andythenorth> currently there's no rationale for the food-type cargos
16:09:35  <andythenorth> and V453000 will turn up and mock me
16:10:25  <Alberth> not sure how different fresh food vs frozen food is from transport point of view
16:10:40  <Alberth> both are refridgerated I guess?
16:10:47  <Alberth> or could be at least
16:11:23  <Alberth> you already have alcohol, you need more drink ?  :p
16:11:47  <andythenorth> I'd change alcohol to drink
16:11:58  <Alberth> I like the 1st one best, not sure about the number of different types
16:12:08  <andythenorth> the refrigeration point is useful
16:12:09  <Alberth> 4 seems so much
16:12:52  <andythenorth> maybe food just is food
16:13:03  <andythenorth> the goods cargos are easy to split up, haven't done that yet
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16:16:05  <Alberth> on the other hand, each industry in a town needs a bit of unique cargo I guess
16:16:19  <andythenorth> toys -> toyshop
16:16:30  <andythenorth> household appliances -> electrical shop
16:16:34  <Alberth> :o nice castle :)
16:16:34  <andythenorth> coffee -> starbucks
16:16:53  <andythenorth> household chemicals -> general store
16:17:08  <Alberth> I agree goods make much more sense to make more specific
16:17:09  <andythenorth> furniture -> furniture shop
16:17:25  <andythenorth> I think the nice thing for extreme food is to put in the ingredients
16:17:32  <andythenorth> so sugar beet -> sugar -> food
16:17:44  <andythenorth> grain -> flour -> food etc
16:18:02  <Alberth> no cake shop eh? :)
16:18:17  <andythenorth> well
16:18:19  <andythenorth> dunno :)
16:18:33  <andythenorth> trying to work out how to do meat pies
16:18:49  <andythenorth> meat + flour -> food processer -> food
16:21:53  <andythenorth> potatoes -> chip factory -> food
16:21:58  <Alberth> does that need more?
16:22:08  <andythenorth> edible oil
16:22:27  <Alberth> to chip factory
16:22:49  <Alberth> but it's a weird cargo, perhaps
16:25:27  <andythenorth> I like it :)
16:25:34  <andythenorth> nice colour for tankers
16:29:55  <Rubidium> eggs -> blender -> scrambled eggs ?
16:30:07  <TrueBrain> hmmmm ... now I am hungry
16:30:25  <andythenorth> Rubidium: I forgot eggs :o
16:30:34  <andythenorth> embryo livestock?
16:30:36  <andythenorth> hmm
16:30:41  <andythenorth> maybe I do GMO foods
16:30:47  <andythenorth> and some towns won't accept them
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16:33:47  <Alberth> :)
16:34:02  <Alberth> :o chicken!
16:34:33  <andythenorth> nuggets
16:34:36  <andythenorth> hmm
16:34:43  <andythenorth> edible oil + eggs = mayo
16:34:47  <andythenorth> need vinegar though
16:35:11  <Rubidium> that's just wine that wasn't processed correctly ;)
16:36:34  <peter1138> o/
16:37:20  <andythenorth> excess of people with commit rights in the channel :P
16:38:21  <Rubidium> andythenorth: everyone in the channel has commit rights!
16:38:21  <peter1138> Not quite.
16:38:45  <peter1138> Excess of people with ability to merge other people's commits :p
16:40:01  <peter1138> If you see some random guy come along with a load of PRs who seems to understand the code, and doesn't ask any questions here, it's probably an alt account to get around the approval stuff :p
16:41:48  <andythenorth> is it winning us much?
16:50:00  <peter1138> Ah but Minecraft 1.13 is out.
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16:52:39  <Wolf01> o/
16:58:04  <andythenorth> meh blitz
16:58:09  <andythenorth> ping 60 until red team appears
16:58:12  <andythenorth> then ping 3000
16:58:20  <andythenorth> happens too often to be coincidence
16:58:32  <andythenorth> more like they've messed up
16:58:52  <Wolf01> Because one of red team has shitty connection then everybody adapts
16:59:06  <andythenorth> the packets for 'no tanks' are probably smaller than packets for '6 tanks just appeared'
16:59:25  <andythenorth> but they also had what looked like load issues for much of this year
16:59:37  <LordAro> haha
17:00:05  <andythenorth> I used to code flash games that were fast until you were in hit-detection range of enemy
17:00:07  <andythenorth> then they bogged
17:00:20  <Wolf01> Aaaaand java updater just failed again!
17:00:21  <andythenorth> calculating nothing is faster
17:00:30  <andythenorth> than calculating something
17:00:32  <LordAro> timing attacks are hard
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17:05:28  <Wolf01> Ragequit
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17:28:21  <TrueBrain> yippie, my runner works, and I can deploy a simple docker now
17:28:27  <TrueBrain> slowllllyyyyyyyy
17:28:30  <TrueBrain> the weather is NOT helpnig :D
17:30:20  <TrueBrain> and I really need more people to give feedback on what this is becoming .. :)
17:32:00  <nielsm> is it become self-aware?
17:32:17  <TrueBrain> it somewhat is :D
17:33:00  <TrueBrain> in the end, this is going to mean that if you accept a PR on a repository named '" target="_blank">', staging is updated automatically, and with a press of the button, so is the real" target="_blank">
17:33:08  <TrueBrain> that should make updates a lot quicker/easier/etc :D
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17:34:06  <nielsm> evil
17:34:16  <TrueBrain> must-have :)
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20:39:46  <aditsu> hi, I have a problem: big city, atrocious rating, don't have any station and can't build one, and trees don't seem to help (too far from the center I guess), how can I improve the rating?
20:40:48  <aditsu> I thought bribing was disabled, but I guess I don't have enough money
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20:45:29  <Eddi|zuHause> the trees only cont on tiles where no tree was before
20:45:39  <Eddi|zuHause> otherwise, the rating slowly improves over time
20:46:34  <Wolf01> 'night
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20:47:22  <aditsu> Eddi|zuHause: yes.. I could delete and replant trees, but there are hardly any inside the city, and around it seems ineffective
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