Log for #openttd on 20th July 2018:
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00:57:18  <Eddi|zuHause> uhm, forum backup? i haven't seen this message in ages. also, it looks like it's 5 minutes early
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02:13:38  <SpComb> it meana that you're up at the wrong time, and should go to sleep
02:13:54  <SpComb> or you live on the wrong continent
02:35:57  <Eddi|zuHause> like you're any better with that :p
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06:50:44  <imdak> Hey. Anyone here has some information on bananas2?
07:02:17  <LordAro> imdak: pretty much all the information is either here or in frosch's head
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07:55:43  <andythenorth> hmm
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07:57:31  <LordAro> mmh
07:57:54  <andythenorth> beans, fruit, salt, tinplate -> cannery -> food
07:57:59  <andythenorth> but only 3 cargos in
07:58:01  <andythenorth> so eh
07:59:15  <andythenorth> probably the salt isn't used in industrial quantities
08:02:27  <andythenorth> 1 cup salt per gallon water in canning
08:02:30  <andythenorth> not relevant
08:02:42  <andythenorth> and if salt is needed, then so is vinegar and/or sugar
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08:22:46  <TrueBrain> lol .. kubernetes does certificate validation on hostname .. dammit :D
08:23:54  <TrueBrain> why did they do their security correctly! :P
08:35:33  <Sacro_> TrueBrain: because otherwise you'd be complaining that it wasn't doing it
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08:36:44  <TrueBrain> hell yes :D
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09:12:39  <TrueBrain> YES! CD works :D
09:12:40  <TrueBrain> w00p!
09:12:51  <TrueBrain> when I push, the image rolls over in the kubernetes cluster :D
09:18:30  <andythenorth> super duper!
09:19:31  <TrueBrain> kubernetes is nice :) Removes a whole layer of configuration-interpertation :)
09:19:41  <LordAro> now make it do a flip
09:19:53  <andythenorth> I was always curious what kubernetes does
09:20:08  <andythenorth> twitter just says things like 'I threw it on kubernetes and made m overnight'
09:20:09  <andythenorth> etc
09:20:50  <TrueBrain> to say it disrespectful, kubernetes is a big management layer in front of docker
09:21:24  <Eddi|zuHause> everybody do the flop!
09:21:27  <TrueBrain> a bit less disrespectful, it manages containers
09:21:34  <TrueBrain> (the full life-cycle)
09:21:40  <TrueBrain> which is exactly what you want for a CD
09:21:49  <andyt2018-07-20T15:22:21  <Alberth> oil seems most logical to me
15:25:22  <Eddi|zuHause> "The global demand for acetic acid is [...] manufactured from methanol."
15:25:50  <Eddi|zuHause> doesn't seem much oil involved
15:38:16  <TrueBrain> okay, service-accounts and permissions are awesome in kubernetes :D
15:39:25  <TrueBrain> now all that is left, is a runner that can build dockers ...
15:45:14  <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: thanks
15:45:25  <andythenorth> chemical industry is very complex :P
15:45:25  <nielsm> !seen peter1138
15:45:33  <nielsm> no bot?
15:45:59  <andythenorth> @seen peter1138
15:46:00  <DorpsGek> andythenorth: peter1138 was last seen in #openttd 5 hours, 31 minutes, and 54 seconds ago: <peter1138> yes ;(
15:46:11  <nielsm> oh different prefix
15:48:29  <nielsm> was wondering if I should open a bug for the "win32 runs slightly slow" issue, and perhaps also the "linux sdl runs slightly fast" one
15:51:10  <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: so I have alcohol or grain available for acetic acid production, the destination will be food factories
15:51:16  <andythenorth> recommendation?
15:51:37  <andythenorth> leaning towards alcohol, it makes it a more interesting cargo
15:53:10  <andythenorth> or I add methanol, which seems to come from coke production somehow :P
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16:02:01  <andythenorth> or maybe it comes from gas
16:02:12  * andythenorth finds wikipedia very confusing for chemical industry
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16:30:10  <Eddi|zuHause> alcohol seems fine
16:31:09  <andythenorth> I tried adding LPG as a chemical feedstock
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16:31:24  <andythenorth> but it's very unclear how LPG would differ from existing 'petroleum fuel' cargo
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16:41:59  <Eddi|zuHause> water treatment plant [primary industry, takes some chemicals as booster] -> waste products -> biofuel refinery -> fuel?
16:52:53  <andythenorth> o_O
16:53:03  <andythenorth> wondered about water treatment
16:53:13  <andythenorth> chlorine is an obvious input
16:53:28  <andythenorth> this is brown water treatment?
16:53:36  <andythenorth> so the output is methane?
16:53:38  <andythenorth> sludge?
16:54:51  <peter1138> nielsm, yeah might as well. iirc use the hrtimer works fine.
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16:58:33  <nielsm> peter1138: I saw you have a branch where you experiment with doing some catchup of "missed" ticks, does that work properly or just break in weird ways?
16:58:44  <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: i was thinking sludge, and the refinery extracts the methane from that
16:58:56  <peter1138> nielsm, it works afaik
16:59:01  <Eddi|zuHause> and maybe building material :p
16:59:18  <Eddi|zuHause> more likely fertilizer
16:59:19  <peter1138> nielsm, maybe something was incomplete, i don't remember.
16:59:27  <peter1138> "i have a patch/branch for that" ;(
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16:59:35  <peter1138> been cycling too much, i guess
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17:34:26  <peter1138> nielsm, hmm, I wonder if that patch also fixes the too-fast case
17:37:22  <swedneck[m]> how do i get sound sets?
17:37:29  <nielsm> I think your patch would make everything stick to slightly-too-fast
17:37:36  <nielsm> (without having tested)
17:48:38  <peter1138> swedneck[m], "online content" in game
17:49:37  <swedneck[m]> thanks
17:49:56  <swedneck[m]> why doesn't it just come with default ones?
17:50:17  <peter1138> becuase you can download it easily from online content in game ;)
17:50:55  <peter1138> historically, all graphics, sound and music came from the original TTD data files which you had to install separately, obviously.
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17:52:39  <peter1138> And he returns.
17:53:57  <andythenorth> had to cycle
17:54:00  <andythenorth> quite hot in jeans
17:54:12  <andythenorth> was trying to beat the rain
17:54:15  <peter1138> Who even cycles in jeans? :S
17:54:29  <LordAro> oh dear
17:54:39  <andythenorth> I had shorts in my bag
17:54:48  <andythenorth> but then it looked like rain, so I just pegged it home
17:55:27  <peter1138> Shorts are better if it's wet. Legs dry off, jeans don't.
17:55:46  <Eddi|zuHause> but imagine if the skin got wet!!
17:55:56  <peter1138> Might dissolve!
17:56:01  <andythenorth> the worst thing is waterproof trousers
17:56:07  <andythenorth> the rain stays on the inside
17:56:46  <Eddi|zuHause> waterproof sounds like the worst thing you can have when you sweat
17:57:01  <LordAro> also, rain, what is this?
17:57:10  <peter1138> Yeah, they suck.
17:57:32  * peter1138 waits for this puny dual core to compile.
17:57:35  <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause:!divAbstract
17:57:46  <Eddi|zuHause> we're still talking about britain, right? where rain is all the times when it isn't foggy
17:58:18  <andythenorth> except now
17:58:18  <peter1138> It's been sunny and some people can't cope, it seems.
17:58:48  <peter1138> Great weather for cycling, when wearing the right kit so that you cool off at speed.
17:58:55  <andythenorth>
17:59:40  <Eddi|zuHause> dual core.. what is this, 2005?
18:00:01  <Eddi|zuHause> every mom's phone has more than 2 cores nowadays...
18:03:26  <andythenorth> I have 2 cores :(
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18:06:36  <Wolf01> o/
18:07:24  <andythenorth> hmm
18:07:34  <andythenorth> ethylene + acetic acid = glue
18:07:37  <andythenorth> for wood
18:09:16  <andythenorth> I now have about 15 industries labelled 'chemical plant' :P
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18:17:51  <peter1138> nielsm, hmm, I also had a patch to use the hrtimer... wonder where that went.
18:23:13  <peter1138> Found it, and yes that makes it 1.00x (mostly)
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18:29:14  <Alberth> o/ W
18:31:32  <peter1138> 1.00x and 1.01x. Hmm.
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19:23:44  <Wolf01> sad
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19:28:00  <andythenorth> clickbait :P
19:28:07  <andythenorth> most of those are chile or former USSR :P
19:29:28  <Wolf01> Still sad
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19:54:09  <Eddi|zuHause> news are particularly bad today...
19:54:11  <Eddi|zuHause> "beer brewers running out of bottles, because people are hoarding them in their cellar instead of bringing them back to the shops"
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20:01:20  <andythenorth> sounds like a FIRS problem
20:02:03  <andythenorth> so where are bottles made?
20:02:09  <andythenorth> glass works, or dedicated factory?
20:03:08  <swedneck[m]> is there a way to get 1.5x UI size or something?
20:03:21  <nielsm> not quite
20:03:32  <nielsm> you can use a larger font size
20:03:35  <swedneck[m]> double size makes the settings window absolutely massive, and normal is barely readable
20:04:10  <andythenorth> seems bottles are made by specialist suppliers
20:04:44  <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: are bottles are legitimate cargo to produce in shops?
20:04:52  <andythenorth> or are they produced by recycling plant?
20:04:55  <andythenorth> (the returns)
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20:18:28  <andythenorth> so food additives
20:18:35  <andythenorth> the cargo label should be ENUM?
20:23:33  <LordAro> andythenorth: :D
20:24:39  <andythenorth> I thought so
20:25:37  <V453000> so what's up with FIRS andythenorth
20:25:41  <andythenorth> rekt
20:25:44  <V453000> shit getting refactored to the ground?
20:26:09  <Wolf01> Wants to hit 64 cargos
20:26:49  <andythenorth> rekking extreme
20:28:16  <V453000> "d
20:28:18  <V453000> :d
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20:30:29  <andythenorth> V453000:
20:30:33  <andythenorth> still very WIP
20:31:11  <andythenorth> old extreme, hate it
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20:33:45  <V453000> That looks like a big improvement to me, from quick glance so far
20:34:13  <andythenorth> yair
20:34:19  <V453000> I'm not even attempting to count the amount of cargoes that NUTS won't display properly though :P
20:34:23  <andythenorth> I mean it will be terrible
20:34:31  <andythenorth> but at least it won't be wtf terrible
20:35:01  <V453000> The bottom part is awesome
20:35:18  <V453000> I don't see myself using Fruit Plantation, Sheep Farm or Dairy Farm
20:35:50  <V453000> maybe if you make them worth a lot, they are fine as an early game money boost without long term investment as they don't get the supplies on their own
20:36:50  * andythenorth wonders why the bundles version is outdated
20:36:54  <andythenorth> jenkins just built it
20:36:55  <andythenorth> nvm
20:36:57  <V453000> :D
20:38:02  <andythenorth> baked bean factory forthcoming
20:38:31  <V453000> :D
20:39:02  <V453000> It seem cool, I like it. It's madness, but that's what extreme should be
20:39:54  <V453000> I'd consider tweaking the cargo payments in a way so that the farms which don't have the chance to get to farm supplies on their own get motivated the be used at least at the start of each company
20:40:12  <andythenorth> I'll see
20:40:25  <andythenorth> somewhere manure = fmsp somehow
20:40:34  <V453000> Might also give the "I was a nice person at the start, liking people and sending them food, and then I industrialized the shit out of the region."
20:40:37  <andythenorth> what label for manure V453000? :P
20:40:43  <V453000> wtf is manure even
20:40:46  <andythenorth> cow poo
20:40:52  <andythenorth> DUNG, SHIT, CRAP, POOP
20:40:54  <V453000> oh, actual shit
20:40:58  <andythenorth> actual
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20:41:38  <V453000> POOP sounds politically acceptable enough
20:41:57  <andythenorth> nice sound too
20:42:05  <V453000> You probably know I'd name it SHIT
20:42:08  <V453000> but :P
20:42:20  <V453000> POOP is nice
20:42:28  <V453000> as long as the full name is Actual Shit
20:42:39  <nielsm> phosphor and oxygen?
20:43:09  <V453000> extreme, yo
20:43:09  <andythenorth>
20:43:13  <V453000> you can explain anything by that
20:43:23  <V453000> It's the ultimate excuse
20:43:31  <V453000> (just in case you need them)
20:44:00  <V453000> You are exchanging BDMT for FOOD? :D
20:44:25  <V453000> YETI 5X Exchange merchant lives :D
20:44:32  <nielsm> need to have a BACN cargo
20:44:52  <V453000> if hte Suppply Yard is a giant BDMT-eating slug, I'll send you a cake andythenorth
20:45:07  <andythenorth> V453000: got a slug render?
20:45:23  <andythenorth> might do it, but only when game month is april
20:45:32  <andythenorth> easter egg for easter
20:45:35  <andythenorth> easter slug :P
20:46:05  <V453000>
20:46:20  <LANJesus> dung.
20:46:28  <V453000> you can steal a slug from nuts if you feel like :P
20:46:48  <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: so biorefinery accepts manure (from dairy farm) and sludge (from water treatment plant) and produces fuel and fertilizer?
20:46:58  <andythenorth> maybe
20:47:06  <andythenorth> currently it's an ethanol plant, but eh
20:47:09  <andythenorth> that could change
20:49:18  <Eddi|zuHause> well, other than fuel it could be methane, which gets processed further?
20:51:20  <Eddi|zuHause> the german word for fertilizer is "D√ľnger" which obviously comes from "dung"
20:52:07  <andythenorth> I wondered about methane
20:52:18  <andythenorth> but we don't have compelling pipelines in game
21:02:25  <andythenorth> also very bed
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21:02:59  <Wolf01> /me too
21:03:04  <Wolf01> 'night
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21:05:05  <TrueBrain> okay, initial code is now in OpenTTD/DorpsGek-github and OpenTTD/DorpsGek-runner
21:05:10  <TrueBrain> it is running .. now I need to test it :)
21:05:29  <TrueBrain> but it is looking good :D Code-wise it should work .. more about infrastructure now :)
21:05:39  <TrueBrain> (I have to arrange the DNS, make nginx forward the information, etc etc)
21:10:19  <LordAro> :o
21:12:35  <TrueBrain> SpComb: tnx again for the pointers; it is running nice and smooth, and surprisingly stable for a 1 node system :)
21:12:58  <TrueBrain> that I have several pods on 1 replica is giving him the most issues :D
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21:55:17  <TrueBrain> okay, I prepared most of the infrastructure changes already ... I just forgot to install 'git' now in the Docker :D haha :D Miiiigggghhhttttt be useful to have :D
21:56:30  <TrueBrain> exit
21:56:32  <TrueBrain> lolz
21:56:48  <TrueBrain> bit harsh, but indeed: nn :)
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23:35:19  <Afdal> hay guise how do people usually setup newgrfs on remote servers?
23:35:31  <Afdal> Does BaNaNaS have a commandline tool?
23:36:02  <Afdal> Or should I just ftp my newgrf files to the /newgrf folder
23:52:46  <Afdal> Got another problem actually
23:53:28  <Afdal> on a clean linux install, trying to simply rev a server up with openttd -D and I'm getting an error
23:53:41  <Afdal> Crash encountered, generating crash log...
23:53:47  <Afdal> openttd: malloc.c:2427: sysmalloc: Assertion `(old_top == initial_top (av) && old_size == 0) || ((unsigned long) (old_size) >= MINSIZE && prev_inuse (old_top) && ((unsigned long) old_end & (pagesize - 1)) == 0)' failed.
23:53:51  <Afdal> What's all that mean?
23:54:07  <Afdal> OpenTTD CAN run without graphics setup right?
23:55:28  <Afdal> Where's the crash log usually found?

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