Log for #openttd on 27th August 2018:
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07:34:41  <Wolf01> o/
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10:19:39  <Samu> how do I retrieve the breakdown speed of an aircraft?
10:26:37  <Samu> more specifically aircraft engine
10:26:52  <Samu> while I still don't own a vehicle of that engine type
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10:59:09  <Samu> could we have a keyword filter for savegame file lists?
10:59:16  <Samu> i have tons of saves :(
11:30:16  <Samu> you gave me an excelent idea yesterday LordAro
11:30:29  <Samu> my own customized valuators
11:30:53  <Samu> gonna create another for aircraft speed
11:49:02  <Samu> oh crap, it's already factored in
11:49:58  <Samu> looks like I don't need a custom valuator for aircraft speed, it's already accounted for
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12:33:51  <Eddi|zuHause> <Wolf01> Nice, there are some games with good discount, I could buy even those to add more to the indecision roulette <-- doesn't help that now you can run windows games from linux steam, so you have an even bigger set of games to choose from :p
12:34:13  <Wolf01> :)
12:34:26  <Wolf01> I have like... 860 games now
12:35:26  <Eddi|zuHause> i've avoided getting any random bundles so far
12:35:40  <Eddi|zuHause> i think i have something around 50 games
12:35:41  <Wolf01> But I can't really find one which is the right one to play now, played a bit men of war:as2, but I'm already bored
12:36:01  <Eddi|zuHause> plus all the old games before steam
12:36:17  <Wolf01> Played minecraft and today it gives me motion sickness :S
12:36:59  <Wolf01> Today I feel I would like to play a slow paced intriguing 2D game
12:37:10  <Wolf01> But... which one?
12:37:29  <Eddi|zuHause> i played a bunch of adventures recently
12:38:14  <Wolf01> Let see what steamdb "I'm feeling lucky" button suggests
12:38:23  <Eddi|zuHause> Deponia, The Whispered World, Silence, Anna's Quest
12:39:02  <Wolf01> Meh, I need to install some games
12:39:42  <Eddi|zuHause> then don't click on this free game: :p
12:40:00  <Wolf01> Already in my library :P
12:40:15  <Eddi|zuHause> i made the mistake of clicking on "install"
12:40:43  <Eddi|zuHause> ... and then it said "50GB to download"
12:41:00  <Wolf01> I uninstalled like 60GB of games this weekend (40 only for shadows of mordor)
12:41:22  <Wolf01> Finished games or games I tried but don't like
12:41:33  <Eddi|zuHause> uh, yeah, i think i tried that like 2 times on free weekends, but it was always unplayable
12:42:10  <Wolf01> It seemed nice... but boring after some hours
12:42:36  <Wolf01> Kill orcs, kill orcs' chief, kill more orcs
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12:43:29  <Wolf01> So, steamdb suggested one of those hidden objects
12:44:03  <Wolf01> 2d is 2d, slow paced is... there's no movement at all, intriguing depends on the story
12:46:17  <Wolf01> Bah, steamdb now shows my library as private, when it's chearly not as I was browsing it
12:50:14  <Wolf01> I would play mashinky... if only it had more to play with
12:50:37  <Wolf01> As now, it's like the old TTDlx demo
12:51:12  <Wolf01> (I must say it has a lot of interesting features)
13:00:51  <Wolf01> Any tank game which is not WoT and maybe made after 2004?
13:02:34  <Wolf01> The last one I played was this:
13:03:06  <nielsm> it's not exactly tanks, but maybe try mechwarrior online if it's still going, at least it's combat in turreted vehicles
13:03:13  <nielsm> team combat*
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13:04:27  <Eddi|zuHause> i don't really play those tank games
13:06:40  <Wolf01> Eh, there's the online part I don't like much, I could play lost planet 3 if I want mechs, but I HATE the boss battles
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13:19:54  <Wolf01> I could give it a try
13:23:46  <Eddi|zuHause> sorry, i can't help you with that genre
13:24:06  <Wolf01> The only problem is: will that start on Win10?
13:24:56  <Eddi|zuHause> people demanded steam play (aka wine) for windows to get old XP games to run on win10
13:25:36  <Wolf01> If only XP mode actually worked
13:25:59  <Wolf01> Oh, it works well for other softwares, just not for games
13:26:11  <Wolf01> At all
13:27:11  <Wolf01> Also most of the old games have that odd 2gb ram limit, and you can't start them in any way
13:43:02  <Eddi|zuHause> i've honestly no clue
13:43:21  <Eddi|zuHause> i haven't tried playing games under win10 at all
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13:48:07  <Eddi|zuHause> anybody have experience on low-level device accessing? i have this SSD which doesn't want to mount. if i attach it, it is detected as a drive, and it gets a device name (/dev/sdg), but i cannot read anything off it
13:50:31  <Eddi|zuHause> i tried hexdump, but it just locks up
13:50:47  <Eddi|zuHause> as in, can't even be "kill -9"ed
13:52:57  <Arveen> tried to DD it with like 10 megabytes of zeros ?
13:53:16  <Arveen> of course this destroys data
13:53:30  <Eddi|zuHause> i don't see how that could work
13:54:38  <Arveen> well just yesterday I had an 100GB SAS SSD which was unable to write partition information during an ESX installation. After zeroing the first 10 megs it worked
13:55:25  <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but i'm unable to READ
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13:57:00  <Arveen> can SMART values be read from the device ?
13:57:48  <Eddi|zuHause> seems to lock up in a similar way
13:58:34  <Arveen> I guess you tried the usual stuff like using another cable/port ?
14:00:41  <Arveen> btw: if smartctl -a freezed you could try hdparm -I as well
14:04:56  <Eddi|zuHause> locks up as well
14:10:17  <Eddi|zuHause> this is the log i get when attaching the disk
14:10:19  <Arveen> is that drive yours or a foreign drive ?
14:10:46  <Eddi|zuHause> it's someone else's drive that i have here
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14:11:45  <Arveen> oh, it's connected via USB ?
14:12:01  <Eddi|zuHause> it's an usb-sata connector
14:12:57  <Eddi|zuHause> i could try hooking up to my internal sata controller
14:13:00  <Arveen> I think i'd try to hook it up directly at a SATA port to see what happens
14:13:19  <Eddi|zuHause> probably my computer dying in the process :p
14:13:24  <Arveen> hehe
14:13:55  <Eddi|zuHause> i have the (tiny) computer here that the drive is from, but i have no HDMI cable to connect it to a monitor
14:14:08  <Arveen> some time ago i had some issues with an USB disk connected to a USB3 port, USB2 worked fine
14:14:09  <Eddi|zuHause> maybe i find a VGA cable
14:14:39  <Eddi|zuHause> no, it's unlikely to be the controller's fault, but it might hide some lowlevel debugging information from me
14:14:56  <Arveen> yes
14:15:22  <Samu> 207, 335
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15:02:44  <Eddi|zuHause> so... i started a rescue system on the other pc. but switching screens all the time is annoying
15:03:17  <Eddi|zuHause> i tried starting sshd, which it happily does, but i can't log in because there's no password set
15:03:25  <Eddi|zuHause> and i have no clue how to set one
15:03:57  <eirc> passwd
15:06:31  <LordAro> peter1138: you should stop oneupping me
15:07:22  <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, log from rescue system boot:
15:12:43  <Eddi|zuHause> # hdparm -I /dev/sda
15:12:45  <Eddi|zuHause> /dev/sda: HDIO_DRIVE_CMD(identify) failed: Input/output error
15:16:04  <Eddi|zuHause> smartctl:
15:16:55  <Eddi|zuHause> (as far as i can see, this is complete nonsense)
15:25:46  <peter1138> I reckon it's probably fucked.
15:27:14  <Eddi|zuHause> you're leaning quite far out the window there
15:35:00  <Eddi|zuHause> next problem is, it's some kind of internal OEM serial number that doesn't seem to be covered by the manufacturer warranty
15:35:46  <Eddi|zuHause> so to get a replacement i'd have to go over the PC assembler, which i have no clue who that even was, nor do i have any purchase information
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15:42:29  <GroovyNoodle> Hey guys! How do I make my server load a scenario with specific height/width? How do I add it to the config? And what should I put in map_x and map_y to get the measurements I want?
15:42:52  <GroovyNoodle> All scenario files are of course transfered to the computer hosting the server
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15:45:58  <GroovyNoodle> Okay, figured out the map_x/y. But I can't figure out how to load the specific scenario
15:46:44  <Eddi|zuHause> map_x/y are ignored when loading a scenario, it already stores its own values for that
15:47:13  <Eddi|zuHause> load the scenario the same way you would load a savegame, i think
15:47:30  <Eddi|zuHause> i.e. with the "-g" command line option, or the "load" command from the console
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15:59:08  <GroovyNoodle> Thank you! It works now :)
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16:05:22  <andythenorth> o/
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16:51:29  <Samu> i'm making up a new distance !
16:51:34  <Samu> function WrightAI::SubLocationDistanceManhattan(t0, t1)
16:51:39  <Samu> lol
16:53:07  <Samu> but I still need to figure out something
16:54:04  <Samu> need to fake the distance on horizontal/vertical, the non-axis
16:58:02  <Samu> the aircraft needs to run through 16 sublocations on a tile while going Axis direction, but only needs to run through 8 sublocations on non-axis
16:58:36  <Samu> on axis, the aircraft goes at full speed, on non-axis it goes at 3/4 speed
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18:22:08  <Samu> I figured how to calculate the real fake distance
18:22:41  <peter1138> real fake?
18:24:54  <Samu> it's something like this
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18:27:12  <Samu> aircraft got a slower speed while going non-axis direction, but the subdistance they got to run on non-axis distance is half of that of an axis distance
18:27:47  <Samu> this returns the real fake distance that the aircraft will run, at least I hope it does
18:28:43  <Samu> axis = 16 sublocations
18:28:53  <Samu> non-axis = 8 sublocations
18:29:24  <Samu> speed at axis = full
18:29:38  <Samu> speed at non-axis = 3/4 of "full"
18:30:12  <Samu> gotta put it to use
18:30:34  <Samu> should be useful to compute the ideal number of aircraft for a route
18:30:54  <Samu> I use this real fake distance instead
18:31:16  <Samu> meh, I'm talking alone :(
18:33:15  <Samu> speaking of real fake,
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19:00:50  <Samu> that return was bad
19:06:03  <Samu> Wormnest: how did you deal with the distances?
19:06:11  <Samu>
19:06:23  <Samu> just noticed distancemanhattan can actually be higher than the aircraft range
19:07:58  <Samu> let me get the tiles coordinates
19:08:06  <Wormnest> CanĀ“t remember exactly but I think I just make a rough guess
19:08:30  <Wormnest> But you can always look up the source of WormAI ;)
19:08:34  <Samu> (89, 29) and (44, 251)
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19:13:37  <Samu> @calc (251-29)-(89-44)*48/4 + (89-44)*48/3
19:13:37  <DorpsGek> Samu: 402
19:13:46  <Samu> uh? :(
19:14:23  <Samu> seems wrong
19:15:48  <Samu> @calc (251-29-89-44)*48/4 + (89-44)*48/3
19:15:49  <DorpsGek> Samu: 1788
19:16:08  <Samu> something is wrong grr damn me
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19:25:04  <Samu> @calc (89*48)/4 + (45*48)/3
19:25:05  <DorpsGek> Samu: 1788
19:25:44  <Samu> why am I getting 2844 :(
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19:57:25  <Wolf01> So, what could I play now? I finished the hidden object game before dinner :P
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20:15:15  <peter1138> Minecraft.
20:17:06  <Wolf01> Nah, I have easily motion sickness today, so Im trying to avoid 3D games
20:17:40  <Wolf01> Or at least first person games
20:18:27  <Wolf01> Does the factorio demo allow multiplayer? I would like to show a friend how to play
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20:41:26  <Samu> @calc (251-29)-(89-44)
20:41:27  <DorpsGek> Samu: 177
20:41:37  <Samu> @calc (251-29-89-44)
20:41:37  <DorpsGek> Samu: 89
20:43:13  <Samu> @calc 222-45
20:43:13  <DorpsGek> Samu: 177
20:43:21  <Samu> oh really? ....
20:43:39  <Samu> so the mistake I made was here :( code was correct
20:44:13  <Samu> @calc (177*48)/4 + (45*48)/3
20:44:13  <DorpsGek> Samu: 2844
20:44:25  <Samu> there.... 2844
20:44:29  <glx> @calc 251-29-89+44
20:44:29  <DorpsGek> glx: 177
20:44:49  <glx> - and - makes +
20:47:34  <Wolf01> Math...
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21:04:32  <Samu> i think i can change that 48 to 12
21:05:09  <Samu> gives me smaller numbers, and still all without comma
21:09:18  <Samu> can even make it shorter
21:09:33  <Samu> 12/4 = 3, 12/3 = 4
21:10:30  <Samu> return dx > dy ? (dx - dy) * 3 + dy * 4 : (dy - dx) * 3 + dx * 4;
21:17:52  <Samu> @calc ((251-29)-(89-44))*48/4 + (89-44)*48/3
21:17:52  <DorpsGek> Samu: 2844
21:18:57  <Samu> @calc ((251-29)-(89-44))*3 + (89-44)*4
21:18:58  <DorpsGek> Samu: 711
21:23:54  <Samu> @calc ((50-0)-(0-0))*3 + (0-0)*4
21:23:54  <DorpsGek> Samu: 150
21:26:08  <Samu> @calc ((37.5-0)-(37.5-0))*3 + (37.5-0)*4
21:26:08  <DorpsGek> Samu: 150
21:26:18  <Samu> success!
21:28:01  <Samu> fake real distance is the same, no matter if going axis or non-axis, just what I wanted
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21:48:41  <Eddi|zuHause> <Wolf01> Does the factorio demo allow multiplayer? <-- i find that somewhat unlikely
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22:11:28  <Samu>
22:11:52  <Samu> there's really no correlation between them :(
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22:33:14  <Samu> i still dont know what to call this function, a decent name
22:33:17  <Samu> DistanceRealFake
22:33:21  <Samu> sounds dumb
22:33:25  <Samu> any suggestions?
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22:41:09  <acklen> TrumpianDistance()
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22:45:36  <Samu> hehe
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