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05:12:12  <Mutron9050> What is this
05:12:17  <Mutron9050> Hi
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06:22:16  <LordAro> 20s
06:22:19  <LordAro> nice
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06:52:03  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth opened issue #6940: Bananas - unhandled exception when updating grf
07:06:46  <LordAro> ideally this would go in a bananas repo... but that doesn't exist yet
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08:04:06  <peter1138> hi
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08:41:26  <Arveen> good morning d00ds
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13:10:27  <planetmaker> moin
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13:16:27  <Xaroth> sup planetmaker
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15:46:50  <planetmaker> quak :)
15:46:56  <frosch123> moo
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16:00:00  <andythenorth> such Truebrain? o_O
16:00:44  <frosch123> did you try musa?
16:01:11  <andythenorth> no I did not, but that is a good call
16:01:40  <andythenorth> something like this happened once before
16:01:48  <andythenorth> I had to use musa for uploads for a short period
16:04:24  <LordAro> frosch123: you should have access to the server with the logs on it, right? we could try to diagnose the issue...
16:04:36  <frosch123> nope
16:04:49  <frosch123> i am only devzone admin
16:05:17  <andythenorth> afaik it's rubidium and TB
16:05:20  <andythenorth> I don't know about others
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16:13:48  <frosch123> i can tell that the disk is not full
16:13:58  <frosch123> but the log files are from another group
16:15:45  <Eddi|zuHause> whenever anyone says "musa" i must think of that running gag from bad boys (2?) with rubbing your ears and say "wusa" to calm down
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16:19:54  <frosch123> ETA for "disk full" is 50 years. V has disappointed :)
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17:05:00  <Eddi|zuHause> clearly, any value >6 months means you wasted ressources prematurely :p
17:05:59  <Eddi|zuHause> you must use cloud/blockchain/agile/AI/cyber...
17:06:19  <Eddi|zuHause> i'm sure i missed a lot of misplaced buzzwords
17:14:43  <andythenorth> you did ok
17:14:52  <andythenorth> we don't just talk about blockchain though
17:15:04  <andythenorth> we also talk about distributed ledgers
17:15:05  <andythenorth> and coins
17:15:14  <andythenorth> big data
17:15:15  <andythenorth> ML
17:15:32  <andythenorth> containerised
17:15:34  <andythenorth> containerless
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18:01:12  <Wolf01> o/
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18:04:40  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain closed issue #6940: Bananas - unhandled exception when updating grf
18:04:41  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on issue #6940: Bananas - unhandled exception when updating grf
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18:13:00  <Wolf01> Meow
18:13:20  <andythenorth> funny noise for a wolf
18:14:00  <Wolf01> I have a new cat
18:14:18  <Wolf01> I can blame it
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18:20:42  <andythenorth> so what I wondered
18:20:49  <andythenorth> actual dev is in pretty good shape
18:20:55  <andythenorth> 127 merged PRs since April
18:21:03  <andythenorth> but the infra seems to have huge bus factor
18:21:18  <andythenorth> so I wanted to write a forum post / openttd front page post
18:21:30  <andythenorth> to see if we could recruit people to work on infra
18:21:53  <andythenorth> I think it's quite a good pitch for people at student age
18:21:54  <frosch123> last time that gave zero replies
18:22:17  <andythenorth> well it might be like the devops engineer hires everyone is trying to do
18:22:19  <andythenorth> no replies
18:22:27  <andythenorth> but actually what TB is working on is pretty attractive
18:22:43  <andythenorth> docker, kubernetes, github, CI, jenkins etc
18:22:48  <andythenorth> are all the good buzzwords
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18:23:20  <andythenorth> but I don't know if TB is actually prepared to fgive give anyone keys to kingdom
18:24:02  <frosch123> random people will definitely not get to current stuff :)
18:24:18  <frosch123> but everyone can fork the compile farm on gh and complete it
18:24:25  <andythenorth> you know I might still have devzone SSH? :P
18:24:29  <andythenorth> I hope not but eh
18:25:29  <frosch123> well, if you can find people to add github authentication to eints :)
18:25:48  <frosch123> ideally in a way so that i can reuse it for bananas
18:26:02  <andythenorth> :)
18:27:02  <andythenorth>
18:28:18  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth commented on issue #6940: Bananas - unhandled exception when updating grf
18:29:23  <TrueBrain> I take your fanks and raise you a tail
18:29:28  * andythenorth wonders if we have more infra plan than in the trello
18:29:42  <andythenorth> let's see
18:30:26  <andythenorth> so this is like a totally vanilla thing that people do?
18:30:41  * andythenorth trying to see if there are any equivalents to 'good first issue' for infra
18:31:13  <TrueBrain> good first issues: make a (new?) website which works from a docker :P
18:31:34  <andythenorth> the bananas is all here?
18:31:52  <andythenorth> didn't we argue out what the website should be like twice before?
18:32:19  <andythenorth> ha ha TB trolled himself
18:32:29  <TrueBrain> what also works: a docker which runs the MSU and has a nice website to show the current state of servers
18:32:37  <TrueBrain> andythenorth: troll? You know me so little :(
18:33:05  <andythenorth> I ma really hazy on the infra and how it connects
18:34:09  <andythenorth> maybe I should try and draw it then you can laugh at my drawing
18:34:33  <TrueBrain> why? just pick any item, make a container around it, and show it :P
18:34:44  <frosch123> andythenorth: i am currently not asking for contributors to bananas. i have way too many projects (at work), where i need to tutor people. i need something to mess with on my own for once
18:35:18  <andythenorth> that's exactly how I feel about newgrf
18:35:25  <frosch123> but eints, nml-compile farm, ... all free to take
18:35:27  <andythenorth> it's my mess, I don't have to collaborate
18:35:35  <TrueBrain> openttd-compile farm!
18:35:55  <andythenorth> come on then TrueBrain, how do we make it fun
18:36:06  <andythenorth> the current trello just looks exactly like my day job too
18:36:13  <andythenorth> except I at least have paid employees there
18:36:22  <andythenorth> 50% fewer than are needed
18:36:25  <andythenorth> but eh
18:36:31  <TrueBrain> infra is like a real day job, sadly :P
18:36:39  <andythenorth> hey we could ISO 27001 OpenTTD?
18:36:41  <andythenorth> o_O
18:36:44  <andythenorth> that I could do for fun
18:36:48  <andythenorth> shall I pay for it?
18:36:58  <TrueBrain> you can do the open-source-bus-factor thing if you like
18:37:09  <andythenorth> most things are bus factor 1
18:37:14  <andythenorth> in my experience
18:37:24  <TrueBrain> not many stuff is, honestly
18:37:37  <TrueBrain> everything I know of is at least 2+
18:37:40  <TrueBrain> still not great
18:37:42  <TrueBrain> but meh
18:38:25  <andythenorth> I think I have a joke about if the bus hits one, the other then has to do all the paperwork
18:38:30  <andythenorth> but it doesn't quite flow
18:38:45  * andythenorth has ISO audit soon, it's a paperwork world
18:38:49  <TrueBrain> just hope nobody bombs the Netherlands :P
18:38:58  <andythenorth> I often hope that
18:39:05  <andythenorth> in my prayers every day
18:39:10  <frosch123> invest into dikes
18:39:21  <andythenorth> that's what started capitalism apparently
18:39:22  <andythenorth> dikes
18:39:26  <andythenorth> community shares in them
18:39:36  <andythenorth> open dike tycoon
18:39:44  <andythenorth> dike railtype grf
18:39:53  <frosch123> money unit should be tulips then
18:39:56  <andythenorth> bulbs
18:40:02  <andythenorth> bulb futures
18:40:38  <frosch123> oh, TB means tulib bulbs?
18:41:10  <andythenorth> maybe
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18:42:25  <TrueBulb> ok enough dicking around
18:42:27  <Eddi|zuHause> really should be FalseBulb?
18:42:43  <TrueBrain> @kick TrueBulb stop dicking around
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18:43:02  <TrueBrain> *giggles like a child*
18:43:07  <andythesouth> always funny
18:43:17  <TrueBrain> I agree
18:43:23  <TrueBrain> @kick Xaroth so does he
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18:43:25  <andythesouth> TrueBrain: so I might write in forums in the 'we moved to github' post
18:43:33  <andythesouth> TL;DR 127 PRs merged, all is awesome
18:43:37  <andythesouth> please send infra codez
18:43:41  <andythesouth> etc
18:43:55  <andythesouth> like, that trello, is overwhelming amount of things
18:43:56  <TrueBrain> that, or get me some time off :P
18:44:03  <andythesouth> I offered you employment
18:44:06  <andythesouth> 4 days / week
18:44:08  <andythesouth> Fridays off
18:44:23  <TrueBrain> 10k a month? :P
18:44:32  <andythesouth> 10k Tulip Bulbs yes
18:44:40  <Eddi|zuHause> <andythenorth> are all the good buzzwords <-- the issue is generally not the buzzwords, but to use the right ones at the right task
18:45:01  <andythesouth> Eddi|zuHause: I think that's agile information delivery
18:45:08  * LordAro waves
18:45:11  <andythesouth> in a context appropriate methodology
18:45:19  <frosch123> @calc 10*12.50/50
18:45:19  <DorpsGek> frosch123: 2.5
18:45:19  <andythesouth> with temporal awareness
18:45:28  * TrueBrain gets his axe, cuts off LordAro's arms .. NOW TRY WAVING AGAIN
18:45:48  * LordAro stubs
18:45:57  <TrueBrain> I can still kill you, COME BACK HERE
18:46:00  <TrueBrain> such a fun movie :)
18:46:27  <andythesouth> did planetmaker find us a macOS maintainer?
18:46:36  <TrueBrain> I read Bjarni was coming back
18:46:41  <frosch123> it's required to understand python's gh bots
18:46:47  <LordAro> @seen bjarni
18:46:47  <DorpsGek> LordAro: bjarni was last seen in #openttd 7 years, 1 week, 6 days, 18 hours, 27 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: <Bjarni> heh
18:47:44  <frosch123> @seen petert
18:47:45  <DorpsGek> frosch123: petert was last seen in #openttd 3 years, 30 weeks, 4 days, 21 hours, 38 minutes, and 44 seconds ago: <PeterT> See you in 5 years! I'll be done with the my Dental school by then
18:48:02  <andythesouth> 2 years to go
18:48:03  <frosch123> oh, 1.5 years left
18:48:07  <andythesouth> I don't get all this
18:48:11  <andythesouth> when I went to university
18:48:21  <andythesouth> I didn't work much on my degree work
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18:49:19  <andythesouth> I learnt photoshop, dreamweaver, director, bryce 3D, after effects and video editing
18:49:28  <andythesouth> also photography
18:49:31  <andythesouth> and I read a lot of books
18:49:45  <andythesouth> also Unreal Tournament
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19:07:31  * Xaroth throws a Fedo at TrueBrain
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19:08:12  <TrueBrain> Xaroth: where is the ardite chicken?
19:08:18  <andythesouth> hm
19:08:28  <andythesouth> so 127 PRs merged since April
19:08:37  <andythesouth> wonder what happened for previous 2 years
19:08:43  <andythesouth> frosch123 kept the lights on
19:08:54  <andythesouth> peter1138 went on one or two patch sprees
19:08:59  <andythesouth> and the rest was translation commits
19:09:00  <Xaroth> TrueBrain: didn't you eat those?
19:09:08  * andythesouth wonders if there's a number to compare
19:09:36  <andythesouth> probably if I could filter git log :P
19:09:37  <TrueBrain> commits?
19:09:39  <andythesouth> yes
19:09:45  <frosch123> we can have a second 25k party at some point
19:09:52  <andythesouth> I can probably just paste git log into excel and count with my fingers
19:10:09  <TrueBrain> ..... whhhyyy ..... omggggg
19:10:17  <TrueBrain> ITS RIGHT THERE THEN! Omg
19:10:19  <andythesouth> like, even without CF, moving to git = massive success
19:10:38  <andythesouth> github *
19:10:38  <TrueBrain> now people just need to keep up with the reviews :P
19:10:42  <TrueBrain> 20+ open PRs .. :D
19:10:45  <andythesouth> ah
19:10:47  <TrueBrain> we need a better workflow :P
19:10:50  <andythesouth> but filter by 'awaiting author' :)
19:10:53  <andythesouth> it looks better
19:10:54  <TrueBrain> I wonder what GitHub Actions are going to be :)
19:11:08  <andythesouth> oh
19:11:16  <andythesouth> oh yes samu added a shitload of PRs
19:11:18  <andythesouth> I remember
19:11:36  <LordAro> TrueBrain: i saw that, looks quite interesting
19:11:37  <andythesouth> it was about 6 that weren't blocked on author
19:11:44  <andythesouth> then there was a flood
19:11:45  <LordAro> possibly a gitlab-ci competitor
19:12:04  <TrueBrain> yeah ... I tried to implement our own, but it is not easy
19:12:06  <TrueBrain> many variables
19:12:14  <TrueBrain> so if they supply it .... that would highly improve efficiency
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19:13:55  <andythesouth> oof now I am actually trying to count git commits
19:14:16  <andythesouth> let's google
19:14:26  <TrueBrain> git log | wc -l
19:14:34  <TrueBrain> git log -1 | wc -l
19:14:40  <andythesouth> SO says git rev-list HEAD --count
19:14:49  <andythesouth> but ok
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19:14:58  <TrueBrain> why is your Security Officer telling you things?
19:15:16  <TrueBrain> why is your Significant Other telling you things?
19:15:33  <andythesouth> I always paste whatever my Security Officer tells me
19:15:35  <andythesouth> into my shell
19:15:37  <andythesouth> with sudo
19:15:48  <TrueBrain> curl ... | sudo bash -
19:15:55  <Wolf01> Lol
19:17:48  <andythesouth>
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19:45:42  <andythesouth> 244 since April 2018, 135 in the year before that
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19:49:38  <Eddi|zuHause> so we prolonged "openttd is dying" for a while?
19:49:53  <TrueBrain> how do you like your glass half empty?
19:50:13  <Eddi|zuHause> now if only we had nightly builds, so people could actually test stuff :p
19:50:28  <TrueBrain> now if only we had active users, not the judging doing nothing ones :P
19:50:58  <andythesouth> we do
19:51:02  <andythesouth> just only a few
19:51:12  <andythesouth> TrueBrain: you might have missed it, but Eddi|zuHause actually made a commit
19:51:17  <TrueBrain> I saw
19:51:21  <TrueBrain> I had to double check
19:51:24  * Xaroth gasps
19:51:25  <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause with a GitHub account
19:51:27  <Xaroth> A whole commit?
19:51:34  <TrueBrain> the world stopped spinning for a moment :)
19:51:36  <TrueBrain> <3 Eddi|zuHause :)
19:51:37  <andythesouth> while I do genuinely appreciate eddi's armchair advice
19:51:43  <andythesouth> I like the commit more
19:53:14  <Eddi|zuHause> you act like i changed more than 5LOC
19:54:58  <Eddi|zuHause> well, i changed like 10, and then changed 5 back because i was trying to do too many things at once
19:57:00  <andythesouth> TrueBrain:
19:57:03  <andythesouth> lacks gifs
19:57:28  <andythesouth> Eddi|zuHause: it was a clean fix to an actually annoying bug :P
19:57:30  <andythesouth> what more could we want?
19:58:00  <andythesouth> I bold some stuff in that post, for effect
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19:59:15  <Eddi|zuHause> use "[list]" and "[list=1]" bbtags?
20:00:51  <TrueBrain> andythesouth: realise your "bananas" issue could be very local
20:00:55  <andythesouth> there I went font crazy
20:01:05  <TrueBrain> over the years, we more often had one or two person where it didnt work, while for others it did just fine
20:01:18  <andythesouth> it was reproed by neko in forums
20:01:36  <andythesouth>  obvs that doesn't mean broken for all
20:01:40  <TrueBrain> ;)
20:01:44  <TrueBrain> but as long as musa works
20:01:46  <TrueBrain> I am not fuzzed
20:01:52  <TrueBrain> and you forgot to use the buzzwords!
20:01:55  <andythesouth> I haven't tried musa yet, too busy doing words type things
20:01:55  <Eddi|zuHause> andythesouth: honestly? the other post was easier readable...
20:01:57  <TrueBrain> kubenertes, cloud, .... ;)
20:02:02  <andythesouth> Eddi|zuHause: too much fonts>?
20:02:11  <andythesouth> I think too much
20:02:25  <Eddi|zuHause> like these youtube videos that spell out the words they talk, but each word is in a different size and direction
20:02:29  <TrueBrain> nothing alcohol cant fix
20:02:53  <andythesouth> my inner font nerd is crying
20:03:10  <Xaroth> Look, I contributed
20:03:14  <Xaroth> now TrueBrain will be really afraid.
20:03:16  <andythesouth> why do I hate bbtag format so much? :P
20:03:31  <Eddi|zuHause> because you are too biased towards md?
20:03:53  <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, i think worse than the fonts is the empty lines
20:04:21  <Eddi|zuHause> like those news sites that start a new paragraph every 2 sentences
20:04:25  <andythesouth> you will make me put in the bbtags :(
20:04:46  <Eddi|zuHause> i can't read those...
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20:07:01  <andythesouth> ok I did reformat it
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20:09:10  <Eddi|zuHause> my buzzword meter just exploded...
20:10:32  <andythesouth> sounds like an awesome malware solution
20:10:40  <andythesouth> "The need for any kind of trust in centralized tools and decision makers disappears, relying instead on a decentralized consensus mechanism which registers and acts on information in real time reacting to threats and unexpected changes to secure states."
20:10:52  <andythesouth> so if I can afford 51% of computing power
20:10:55  <andythesouth> I win your devices
20:11:06  <andythesouth> then I use those to win more devices
20:11:09  <andythesouth> then I win world
20:12:31  <Eddi|zuHause> isn't that what happened to bitcoin?
20:14:51  <andythesouth> oof now what?
20:14:55  <andythesouth> time to put recycling out?
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20:18:25  <peter1138> sup
20:18:30  <peter1138> Are we dead?
20:18:43  <andythesouth> only nearly
20:21:03  <peter1138> Ok
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20:23:45  * peter1138 ponders updating GPU drivers.
20:23:57  <LordAro> an peter1138
20:24:41  <andythesouth> at least it's only one
20:28:04  <Eddi|zuHause> i fried hacked peter earlier today
20:28:13  <peter1138> Pardon?
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