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so you always indicate what the next version will be 09:47:05 <TrueBrain> but than you need tooling that understands this 'bump' version 09:47:09 <TrueBrain> as git won't have that information 09:47:18 <TrueBrain> and depending on the content of a repository, this information is in different places 09:47:20 <nielsm> initially bump patch by 1, and when you do a breaking change you bump minor or major and reset the remaining 09:47:42 <TrueBrain> I wish git could have 'forseen' tags :D 09:52:14 <andythenorth> all we need is predicting the future 09:52:17 <andythenorth> simples 09:52:40 <TrueBrain> you just want one way to define the 'next version', independing on the content of the repository 09:52:43 <TrueBrain> which is not trivial 09:53:04 <TrueBrain> or you need to dedicate a single file to contain that content 09:56:59 <TrueBrain> https://hackmd.io/k8pmIG-EQYuU2vJ-OiVPxA <- did I type over the URL correctly? 09:57:05 <TrueBrain> (my clipboard still doesnt work :P) 09:59:17 <nielsm> 404 09:59:49 <TrueBrain> bah 09:59:52 *** TrueBrain has quit IRC 10:00:48 *** TrueBrain has joined #openttd 10:00:57 <TrueBrain> why is this channel still registered only? 10:01:55 <TrueBrain> https://hackmd.io/kRpmIG-EQYuU2vJ-OiVPxA 10:02:00 <TrueBrain> @whoami 10:02:00 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: TrueBrain 10:02:02 <TrueBrain> @mode -R 10:02:02 *** DorpsGek sets mode: -R 10:02:23 <TrueBrain> when are we moving to Slack? :P 10:02:25 *** Antheus has joined #openttd 10:04:23 <andythenorth> oof 10:04:34 <andythenorth> dunno why I am anti Slack 10:04:38 <andythenorth> everyone I know uses it 10:05:12 <andythenorth> I'm waiting to be told the answer: isn't Discord just better? 10:05:14 <andythenorth> o_O 10:05:36 <TrueBrain> Discord is being a bit weird .. seems to want to become the next Steam .. 10:05:41 <TrueBrain> and I find it really hard there to follow any conversation 10:06:45 *** matt21347 has joined #openttd 10:09:40 <TrueBrain> I wonder what would happen if we say: the new BaNaNaS only publishes files from a GitHub repository 10:10:07 <TrueBrain> absolute panic, I am afraid :P 10:10:36 <andythenorth> o_O 10:10:44 <andythenorth> works for me :P 10:11:13 <TrueBrain> it is more in character of OpenTTD's Open Source ideology ofc 10:11:25 <TrueBrain> and would allow to make a nice auto-release around it 10:11:41 <TrueBrain> I also have been thinking we can use the new 'pypi' as used by Python 10:11:56 <TrueBrain> as that basically has everything we are looking for, as far as I can tell 10:12:52 <TrueBrain> either way, I am slowly trying to word why I am having a bit of a hard time cleaning up the OpenTTD infrastructure 10:13:10 <TrueBrain> it is not only huge, there is also a lot of interaction between components which have 'organicaly grown' 10:14:13 <andythenorth> usual amount of mess? o_O 10:14:41 <andythenorth> unclear boundaries between proper domains? 10:14:45 <andythenorth> string 10:14:46 <andythenorth> stuff and things 10:15:02 <TrueBrain> yup; how things were done 15 years ago :P 10:15:15 <TrueBrain> over the years I did try to split away services I could 10:15:21 <TrueBrain> but some I never managed to untangle 10:15:38 <TrueBrain> services calling internal services back then was a big no-no 10:15:41 <TrueBrain> now it is the most common thing ever 10:15:55 <TrueBrain> in result, the webserver running www.openttd.org also runs most other domains, as there is crosstalk :P 10:17:08 <TrueBrain> and I cannot find a clean path to do a nice migration. Seems it needs more of a big-bang than I would like 10:17:56 <TrueBrain> I know how I want the result to look .. just the road to it .. ugh .. 10:18:01 <andythenorth> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus 10:18:04 <TrueBrain> anyway, any feedback on the above document is very welcome :) 10:22:50 <andythenorth> 403 :P 10:23:07 <TrueBrain> oops 10:23:08 <TrueBrain> reload 10:23:30 <andythenorth> ok 10:26:38 <nielsm> does the CI pipeline protect sufficiently against malicious changes to makefile, strgen, etc? 10:27:06 <TrueBrain> no, as that sadly is nearly impossible 10:27:24 <TrueBrain> well, not in the sense that it is validated or something 10:27:27 <TrueBrain> it is simply fenced 10:27:34 <TrueBrain> that is why there is so much Docker image talk 10:27:43 <TrueBrain> and in the CI, if an image runs more than N minutes, it is killed 10:27:47 <TrueBrain> it has no internet connection 10:27:48 <TrueBrain> etc 10:27:54 <TrueBrain> "best effort" 10:28:22 <TrueBrain> that is also why the preview is a whitelist command; which ever developer triggers a preview, really should be sure there is nothing weird going on :) 10:29:29 <TrueBrain> but very explcitly, the CI doesn't publish anything 10:30:38 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 10:30:47 <Wolf01> o/ 10:31:00 <Wolf01> Let's see if the new router works better 10:35:01 *** HerzogDeXtEr has joined #openttd 10:35:15 <TrueBrain> nielsm: added some bla about that part :) 10:39:36 *** teadrop___ has joined #openttd 11:02:24 *** matt21347 has quit IRC 11:11:41 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest2135 11:11:43 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 11:12:04 <Wolf01> Mmmh, changing the timezone requires reboot 11:14:29 <TrueBrain> right .. I tried to see which service I could use as proof-of-concept for the above ... 11:14:31 *** |3b| has joined #openttd 11:14:51 <TrueBrain> MS + MSU is integrated in the main website. The correct solution is to split those services in an API based system, instead of via MySQL 11:15:07 <TrueBrain> ottd_content is heavily integrated with too many subservices to count .. ugh 11:15:15 *** |3b| has quit IRC 11:15:37 <TrueBrain> BaNaNaS is most decoupled; it just needs to know which user is logged in, access to MySQL, and access to a file storage to write files 11:16:08 <TrueBrain> main website is decoupled a lot; it can use local files or can poll a http for its information 11:16:15 <TrueBrain> I years ago already started to decouple that 11:16:23 <TrueBrain> so I guess the main website is the primary candidate .. 11:16:32 <TrueBrain> has some minor MySQL queries it needs 11:16:37 *** Guest2135 has quit IRC 11:16:44 <TrueBrain> even there, a rewrite could be faster than trying to move it .. 11:17:00 <TrueBrain> le sigh 11:18:01 <andythenorth> TrueBrain: isn't frosch solving bananas? 11:18:02 <andythenorth> alone? 11:18:15 <TrueBrain> with no ETA, yes 11:18:19 <andythenorth> main website 11:18:21 <TrueBrain> (which is totally fine btw) 11:18:35 <andythenorth> main website 1:1 reimplmentation? No content or style changes? 11:18:58 <TrueBrain> I considered it 11:19:04 <TrueBrain> I even once did that like a year ago 11:19:11 <TrueBrain> so I guess that is the best thing to pick up 11:19:24 <andythenorth> ideally it would be in a safe place so people like me could modify it 11:19:28 <andythenorth> that might even be true now 11:19:34 <andythenorth> but I have NFI how I'd start :P 11:19:46 <TrueBrain> I was thinking of making it a fully static website 11:19:52 <andythenorth> I've dug around the web repos before, but it all looks strung together 11:19:55 <TrueBrain> so if you have a blog to post, make a commit in the repository for it 11:20:02 <andythenorth> I'm a big fan of static web content 11:20:10 <TrueBrain> the only dynamic part is the server-listing 11:20:17 <andythenorth> all my newgrf docs are static, compile-once 11:20:20 <TrueBrain> so I was wondering if we should just make that javascript-only 11:20:26 <andythenorth> seems reasonable 11:20:43 <TrueBrain> currently it is 'static' (server-side generated) 11:20:58 <andythenorth> seems obvious candidate for XHR? 11:21:18 <TrueBrain> I like that the website is without javascript tbh 11:21:28 <andythenorth> node on the server :P 11:21:29 <andythenorth> ugh 11:21:32 <TrueBrain> and the top banner is a bit of an issue 11:21:48 <TrueBrain> that will always be dynamic, I guess 11:22:07 <andythenorth> edge side includes? :P 11:22:43 <TrueBrain> I guess what I can do, is setup a small API in the old infrastructure 11:22:49 <TrueBrain> which gives both the server listing as the downloads 11:23:07 <TrueBrain> make the new website a very simple server-side static-page webserver 11:23:25 <TrueBrain> (so do the API calls on the server, instead on the client) 11:23:39 <TrueBrain> that decouples it a bit more 11:23:55 <andythenorth> the less we have to pick a framework, the happier I would be 11:24:18 <TrueBrain> I really really want to avoid Django or something :P 11:24:25 <andythenorth> is Apache + a WSGI server too simple? 11:24:27 <TrueBrain> I was thinking aiohttp 11:24:57 <TrueBrain> well, it will run in kubernetes, so it will be nginx-loadbalancer, with for example aiohttp (via http) 11:25:09 <TrueBrain> that scales stupid-well 11:25:12 <andythenorth> aiohttp looks simple at first glance 11:25:17 <TrueBrain> possibly a memcache or redis for caching 11:25:32 <TrueBrain> Python3.6 async ftw .. makes coding so much easier 11:25:35 <andythenorth> I have a makefile that generates static html pages from templated source :P 11:25:41 <TrueBrain> just a bit slower 11:25:49 <TrueBrain> that is the other solution 11:25:58 <TrueBrain> snapshot the website every 5 minutes or so 11:26:01 <TrueBrain> from dynamic information 11:26:22 <andythenorth> and just say 'server list updated every 5 mins'? 11:26:31 <TrueBrain> that is already what happens 11:26:37 <TrueBrain> as the server list is EXPENSIVE to generate :P 11:26:41 <andythenorth> I don't object to JS personally, except obviously JS is horrible 11:26:48 <andythenorth> it's pretty much universal 11:27:09 <andythenorth> it's also horrible to write, and I don't even want to think about the opsec implications of it :P 11:27:16 <TrueBrain> what is also 'hot', that if you don't have javascript, you are piped through a system that generates the page for you 11:27:26 <andythenorth> fallback 11:27:47 <andythenorth> let me know if you want me to write any html :P 11:28:04 <TrueBrain> you just said to copy/paste the current :P 11:28:10 <andythenorth> even better 11:28:17 <TrueBrain> guess it is a matter of picking what method to use 11:30:00 <LordAro> TrueBrain: i'd like to look over your suggestions, but am busy until this evening :( 11:30:16 <TrueBrain> LordAro: I welcome any feedback :) 11:30:27 <TrueBrain> it is not like I can execute what I wrote in a day, so no worries ;) 11:34:19 <LordAro> ture enough :) 11:38:26 <LordAro> ture. 11:38:28 <LordAro> yes. 11:42:39 *** frosch123 has joined #openttd 11:43:20 <andythenorth> I should probably keep running costs simple eh, no 'cost more as engine gets older' stuff :P 11:46:29 <Wolf01> andythenorth: this image is the perfect reply: https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/amB8XZ4_460s.jpg 11:47:36 <andythenorth> oops 11:47:43 <andythenorth> just poured coffee into my laptop keyboard 11:48:12 <Wolf01> Time to buy a new one 11:48:14 <andythenorth> nothing to do with the image :P 11:48:34 <andythenorth> yup, keyboard doesn't work anyway, again 11:48:35 <Wolf01> *the coffee, not the laptop 11:48:40 <andythenorth> so time to buy yet another new mac 11:48:44 <andythenorth> keys last about 60 days 11:48:51 <andythenorth> then have to buy a new computer from Apple 11:49:49 <andythenorth> gotta keep the share price up by shipping defective computers 11:50:22 <Wolf01> They create a problem and sell the solution 11:51:35 <andythenorth> there's no cost to Apple from it 11:51:50 <andythenorth> Mac sales numbers continue same whether they work or not 11:51:52 <andythenorth> weird 11:52:18 * andythenorth back to costs 11:57:02 <TrueBrain> https://hackmd.io/kRpmIG-EQYuU2vJ-OiVPxA#Main-website 11:57:06 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: did I summarize that correct? 11:59:16 * andythenorth looking 11:59:39 <andythenorth> do we need multi-lingual support in the website? 11:59:41 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest2137 11:59:43 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 12:00:01 <TrueBrain> I do think so 12:00:03 <TrueBrain> not now 12:00:10 <TrueBrain> but I think we needed that 10 years ago 12:00:14 <andythenorth> ok 12:00:22 <andythenorth> it's just extra....stuff :P 12:00:23 <TrueBrain> there are countries where they speak very little English 12:00:46 <Wolf01> So, even with this router it disconnects 12:01:31 <andythenorth> TrueBrain: looks about right to me 12:01:43 <TrueBrain> I tackled things easier by just redirecting to the old server :P 12:01:48 <TrueBrain> like old-www.openttd.org 12:01:58 <TrueBrain> solves creating an API or something NOW, rather than later 12:01:59 <andythenorth> I kind of ran into the weeds, thinking about how we'd store blog posts, dev descriptions etc 12:02:03 <andythenorth> but eh 12:02:12 <TrueBrain> how do you mean? 12:02:20 <andythenorth> whether they're html, json etc 12:02:27 <andythenorth> not an important issue now 12:02:30 <andythenorth> distraction 12:02:32 <TrueBrain> hmm 12:02:36 <TrueBrain> that is not a bad idea tbh 12:02:38 <TrueBrain> if we template anyway 12:02:42 <TrueBrain> just put these things in yaml files 12:02:46 <andythenorth> that sort of thing yes 12:02:48 <TrueBrain> easier to read/maintain etc 12:02:53 <TrueBrain> good point 12:03:02 <andythenorth> we want to be decouple from the html as far as possible 12:03:08 <andythenorth> blog posts are probably better as MD or RST 12:03:27 <TrueBrain> good point 12:03:31 <andythenorth> can't remember which one won but eh 12:03:39 <TrueBrain> MarkDown 12:04:00 <TrueBrain> those are also easy to edit via the GitHub interface 12:04:06 <andythenorth> oh yes they are :D 12:04:07 <andythenorth> good 12:04:08 <TrueBrain> so writing a blog post can be done from GitHub if you like :) 12:04:22 <TrueBrain> I think a blog post should be both a markdown and a yaml file or something .. we will see 12:04:29 <TrueBrain> (meta-data vs content) 12:04:44 *** Guest2137 has quit IRC 12:04:46 <andythenorth> so simple framework to deal with http stuff 12:04:55 <andythenorth> some publishing classes to handle different content types 12:05:13 <andythenorth> and either static compile (pull latest tag and compile every 5 minutes) or use the framework 12:05:33 <andythenorth> presumably you have some magic thing for polling for new tags? 12:05:47 <TrueBrain> no no, I think you mix two things now :) 12:05:57 <TrueBrain> the repository will compile into a Docker image 12:06:01 <TrueBrain> which runs in the infrastructure 12:06:05 <andythenorth> ok 12:06:08 <TrueBrain> inside that Docker image you have 2 choices: 12:06:15 <TrueBrain> either JiT create the content 12:06:19 <TrueBrain> or create it every N minutes 12:06:34 <andythenorth> ok 12:06:42 <TrueBrain> (so either something like Flask, ..., or nginx + a script that does the templating) 12:06:46 <andythenorth> yes 12:06:58 <TrueBrain> a new blog posts means a new docker image means a new deployment 12:07:07 <TrueBrain> which is exactly what you want btw .. as that allows rolling back etc :) 12:07:20 <andythenorth> JiT or N minutes are both fine with me, it really depends what framework is used, no point fighting the framework to make it do opposite of what it's designed for :) 12:08:14 <TrueBrain> both are valid approaches and have their pros/cons 12:08:24 <TrueBrain> mainly depends for what you optimize 12:10:14 <frosch123> nielsm: https://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/Special:RecentChanges <- i updated the specs last night, do you want to double-check? 12:12:53 <nielsm> should probably add some OTTD 1.9 version marks and not-ttdpatch marks to the new features, e.g. on https://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/Callback:_Cargo_sub-type_display_for_industries 12:16:53 *** matt21347 has joined #openttd 12:18:27 <nielsm> https://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/Action0/Industry_Tiles <-- technically 0A..0C now also take signed acceptance rates 12:19:00 <nielsm> and there is an accidental č in "ačceptance" 12:19:46 <nielsm> and missing space after the not-patch icon for prop 12 new flag 12:23:40 <frosch123> nielsm: you can login there with your tt-forums account 12:23:46 <nielsm> oh 12:25:31 <nielsm> if I could remember what password I used there 12:25:33 <nielsm> >_> 12:25:44 <nielsm> should add it to my password manager 12:25:55 <frosch123> didn't you just post a few days ago? :p 12:26:05 <nielsm> cookie 12:26:11 <frosch123> 12 year old cookie? 12:26:31 <nielsm> nah more like 10-11 months old 12:30:56 <nielsm> well, turns out I can't sign in to the wiki after changing forums password, "Auto-creation of a local account failed: Automatic account creation is not allowed. " 12:31:22 <frosch123> orudge: ^^ any idea? 12:32:21 <andythenorth> I see that some times 12:32:30 <andythenorth> I don't know what causes it to get fixed though 12:32:38 <andythenorth> I was locked out of wiki for several years 12:32:41 <andythenorth> then I wasn't 12:35:50 <frosch123> nielsm: 0A..0C can't be negative. that only works for 13 12:36:19 <frosch123> and i think we shouldn't change that 12:37:48 <nielsm> agree it could break old things 12:38:03 <nielsm> I just remembered it as blindly loading in the bytes 12:38:21 <frosch123> currently there is a Clamp in the code, so i would expect some grfs to set 0xFF to make it maximum accepting :p 12:41:45 *** Wacko1976 has joined #openttd 12:58:46 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest2141 12:58:48 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 12:59:06 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: after some thinking, it is only the download banner that is left as 'dynamic'. So generating static files every N minutes is much less work I guess .. still .. not sure which option is best :D 13:00:10 <andythenorth> it really depends on framework 13:00:24 <andythenorth> having a makefile spit out static assets to filesystem is ez, but we have to write one to do it 13:00:32 <TrueBrain> if you generate the static files on start of the Docker, and than every N minutes the main.html .. that sounds easiest 13:00:50 <TrueBrain> or even during building of the Docker 13:00:51 <andythenorth> if we pick a framework that has a request object and templating built in 13:01:00 <andythenorth> then that's ez too, but frameworks go out of fashion 13:01:07 <andythenorth> make never does :P 13:01:07 <TrueBrain> yeah .. I think it is more: use a framework yes/no :P 13:01:12 <andythenorth> I prefer no 13:01:17 <TrueBrain> as you really dont need one for this 13:01:25 <TrueBrain> you just need some minor server-side-include 13:01:27 <andythenorth> just use a http server, simple 13:01:37 <TrueBrain> meaning you can link it directly into nginx .. blazing fast :P 13:01:45 <andythenorth> easier for people to pick up and develop on too 13:01:48 <andythenorth> fewer deps 13:02:03 <TrueBrain> and if we put the dynamic parts in other services 13:02:06 <TrueBrain> those might need a framework 13:02:10 <TrueBrain> more complex 13:02:13 <TrueBrain> but they are in the minority 13:02:39 <andythenorth> this is the python file that generates FIRS docs https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/entry/src/render_docs.py#L270 13:02:44 <andythenorth> most of it is just helper formatting crap 13:02:54 <andythenorth> the actual generation is the kind of thing can be written in 1 hour 13:02:59 <andythenorth> and re-written as needed 13:03:20 <andythenorth> does templates, txt, MD, graphviz, images 13:03:44 *** Guest2141 has quit IRC 13:04:02 <andythenorth> make calls that as needed 13:04:53 <andythenorth> frameworks tend to attract rewrites in framework-du-jour :P 13:06:28 <TrueBrain> I wonder if eints can do Markdown translations :P 13:06:31 <TrueBrain> :D 13:07:15 <TrueBrain> owh, I forgot we also have a list of languages that need support 13:07:51 <TrueBrain> does anyone ever noticed that the background image on the main site changes every day? :P 13:08:16 <frosch123> i think you told that before, i never verified 13:08:22 <TrueBrain> :D 13:08:40 <TrueBrain> having screenshots in the repository might also mean they will get updated once in a while, I guess 13:09:32 <frosch123> aww, no longer "latest user screenshot"? 13:09:50 <TrueBrain> I think there wil be 13:09:55 <TrueBrain> we can template that :) 13:10:06 <frosch123> i kind of liked the dynamic version number in that screenshot :) 13:10:20 <TrueBrain> I like how it has given so few complaints :P 13:10:29 <TrueBrain> it shows the same for .. 5 years now? :P 13:10:33 <frosch123> 11 13:10:39 <frosch123> hmm, 9 13:10:43 <TrueBrain> owh, it is not even the 1.4 indeed 13:10:44 <TrueBrain> lol 13:11:04 <frosch123> i think it was 2008. so 10 13:11:09 <TrueBrain> :D 13:11:14 <TrueBrain> game still looks the same, so meh :D 13:13:05 <andythenorth> I should mail in some screenshots eh? 13:13:06 <andythenorth> :D 13:13:19 <andythenorth> I like how they're in no particular order 13:13:31 <andythenorth> 0.5.0 is after 0.4.8 13:13:35 <andythenorth> but 0.6.0 is before 13:13:35 <frosch123> there is a mail folder "unhandled screenshots" or so 13:13:38 <andythenorth> lol 13:14:12 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: order is sorted by mtime .. and someone changed a 0.4.8 screenshot between0.5 and 0.6 :P 13:14:44 <TrueBrain> what I like that all screenshots look the same .. I do not spot what has changed for that versions :D 13:15:05 <frosch123> look more closely 13:15:16 <frosch123> and you will find screenshots which are not from the version listed 13:15:29 <TrueBrain> those are the best! 13:16:06 <TrueBrain> I still like the cake :D 13:16:12 <TrueBrain> mostly as the screenshot on the cake is a lie :D 13:16:46 <frosch123> https://www.openttd.org/en/screenshot/1.0/20090113_deteroystein <- this screenshot is listed as 1.0, but is from before 0.6 13:17:59 <andythenorth> well it's nice when we delete them :) 13:18:06 * andythenorth likes scorched earth 13:18:37 <frosch123> but well, the distinguishing only works for older version, which added more visible features 13:19:02 <frosch123> though maybe andy can recognise firs versions 13:19:37 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest2144 13:19:39 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 13:20:03 <andythenorth> we used to be better at advertising :D https://www.openttd.org/en/screenshot/0.4.8/saint_berdetta 13:20:11 <andythenorth> https://www.openttd.org/en/screenshot/0.4.8/more_is_better 13:20:17 <andythenorth> who was the copywriter? o_O 13:21:00 <andythenorth> so nice :) https://www.openttd.org/en/screenshot/1.0/20090821_luuk_de_vries 13:22:04 *** Brainspackle has joined #openttd 13:22:07 <Brainspackle> ⁄！⧵ ΑΤΤΝ: Thiѕ cһaᥒnеl hɑs moved to irϲ.freeᥒodᥱ.nеt #/join /!⧹ 13:22:08 *** Brainspackle has quit IRC 13:22:18 <TrueBrain> that is STILL going on? Lol 13:22:26 <frosch123> that was the reason for R :) 13:22:34 <TrueBrain> I assumed that would have gone away by now :( 13:22:36 <TrueBrain> @mode +R 13:22:36 *** DorpsGek sets mode: +R 13:22:37 <TrueBrain> bah 13:22:43 <TrueBrain> move to Slack you say? :P 13:23:36 <andythenorth> because slack is not exploitable for mal? 13:23:46 <andythenorth> is it magic? 13:23:51 <TrueBrain> because on Slack they dont ask you to join freenode-shit 13:23:53 <TrueBrain> :P 13:24:48 *** Guest2144 has quit IRC 13:26:58 <andythenorth> oof so if I get slack 13:27:06 <andythenorth> I can't leave arbitrary channels 13:27:22 <andythenorth> we're considering switching work irc to slack 13:27:36 <andythenorth> but then I'll be required to be in work channels in evenings and weekends 13:27:42 <andythenorth> no way to leave 13:27:50 <TrueBrain> 2 accounts? :P 13:28:18 <andythenorth> ok so there's a teams thing 13:28:49 <Wolf01> I won't move to slack, discord, shitstuff in general :P 13:29:03 <andythenorth> you will in the end 13:29:04 <TrueBrain> they made an XKCD for you 13:29:34 <Wolf01> I will only if I want to keep contact with people, but do I really want it? 13:29:40 <andythenorth> that's the XKCD where nothing has won yet? 13:29:45 <andythenorth> I hate this shit 13:29:49 <andythenorth> I wish something would just win 13:30:01 <TrueBrain> https://xkcd.com/1782/ 13:30:23 <andythenorth> yeah that's what we'll do at work 13:30:39 <andythenorth> slack<->irc bridge for some people 13:30:42 <TrueBrain> its sad, but that XKCD is really true 13:30:49 <TrueBrain> some people have a weird fetish with IRC 13:30:53 <andythenorth> it's just simple 13:31:01 <andythenorth> and there's no company involved 13:31:03 <Wolf01> :D 13:31:04 <andythenorth> it's nice 13:31:12 <TrueBrain> it is horrible 13:31:42 <TrueBrain> no history, no offline messaging, no images (lolz), doesnt integrate with anything (not really anyway), .. 13:31:44 <Wolf01> Because you don't have stickers, images, the emoticons are weird? 13:31:54 <TrueBrain> but mostly, I hate IRC for the lack of history 13:31:58 <TrueBrain> it kinda forces you to be always-on 13:32:08 <Wolf01> Starcraft classic chat was on irc, I joined that may times 13:32:15 <Wolf01> Many 13:32:38 <TrueBrain> I noticed that since I started to use non-IRC stuff, life got a bit easier :) People can message me while I am offline, I can answer when-ever 13:32:48 <TrueBrain> channels where people announce things I can read back on with ease 13:32:53 <TrueBrain> basically, an IRC bouncer done right 13:32:54 <andythenorth> TrueBrain: you just described all the upsides :P 13:33:00 <andythenorth> no history, no messaging, no images 13:33:14 <andythenorth> anyway, I am waiting for Slack to have definitively won 13:33:26 <TrueBrain> Discord is winning big for games 13:33:32 <andythenorth> it has yet to kill either Discord or Whatsapp 13:33:37 <TrueBrain> but that is mainly because of voice and game integration 13:33:49 <TrueBrain> Mattermost is getting ground in companies, because HipChat said: BYE 13:34:03 <TrueBrain> (Mattermost can be run on-premise) 13:34:06 <Wolf01> The big problem is that you *MUST* register even to read, that's not what I want 13:34:19 <TrueBrain> Wolf01: you do know this channel is running +R atm right? :P 13:34:28 <Wolf01> Yes, but it's not the default 13:34:42 <andythenorth> MM is new to me 13:34:43 <TrueBrain> till it is 13:35:08 <TrueBrain> Mattermost was clever; When HipChat announced they were stopping, they jumped on all threads and announced that they exist 13:35:15 <andythenorth> hmm 13:35:17 <TrueBrain> like GitLab did with GitHub takeover by Microsoft :P 13:35:20 <TrueBrain> very clever :) 13:35:25 <andythenorth> they're selling 'you can do compliance'? 13:35:31 <andythenorth> but I would rather Slack did the compliance 13:35:36 <andythenorth> they have a shareprice to maintain 13:35:45 <Wolf01> And I'm registered because I need (or might need) to use all the irc services, not just to read or join this chan 13:35:52 <andythenorth> whereas hiring and managing people to do compliance is frigging hard 13:35:56 <TrueBrain> in general, I am a fan of Cloud-based solutions; how ever annoying they might be, they are a lot more stable than any other 13:36:27 <TrueBrain> also the reason I am very happy with GitHub 13:36:34 <TrueBrain> nobody has to maintain it :) 13:36:42 <TrueBrain> (well, they do, but who cares about that :P) 13:36:58 <TrueBrain> that said, I am not using Slack myself atm; nobody to talk to :( 13:36:59 <andythenorth> github, that's who. github cares :P 13:37:06 <andythenorth> TrueBrain should I get slack? 13:37:10 <andythenorth> we can 'chat' :P 13:37:20 <TrueBrain> on the new website we just publish Slack details 13:37:27 <TrueBrain> and see how long these old rats here survive :P 13:37:32 <TrueBrain> MWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA 13:38:12 <Wolf01> I'll continue to join here until the server dies :P 13:38:30 <TrueBrain> you see IRC servers getting lower and lower volume of active people 13:38:38 <TrueBrain> I wonder when it comes to a value that is not sustainable 13:38:48 <TrueBrain> guess therew ill always be those few that want to be on IRC :D 13:38:58 <frosch123> sounds like "i installed irc and made it autostart, i do not know how to remove it, so i pretend it is intentional" 13:39:16 <TrueBrain> lol! 13:39:55 <Wolf01> TBH, I still use irc to join here, I have 3 chans on another server where I'm the only one active 13:41:29 <andythenorth> most of the people in this channel aren't reading it, right? 13:41:34 <nielsm> my dislike for discord, slack, etc. is that they're heavyweight protocols with heavyweight clients, and you aren't really free to make your own client (in part because the protocol is a moving target) 13:41:43 <andythenorth> they set up a bouncer in 2004 and forgot 13:42:00 <frosch123> andythenorth: we lost about 20 people last year 13:42:07 <nielsm> and they're centralized, it's not your server and it can't be your server 13:42:15 <frosch123> we used to be around 120-130 users, now there are 90-100 13:42:17 <nielsm> (despite discord abusing the "server" moiniker) 13:44:09 <Wolf01> frosch123, we really are like 20, we lost like 4 active people in the last year 13:44:21 <TrueBrain> oeh, what I also like about Slack / MatterMost, they have 'threads' .. where you can follow a conversation inside a channel, while other conversations happen 13:44:23 <TrueBrain> that is so nice 13:44:35 <andythenorth> sounds awful :) 13:44:44 <andythenorth> I like mixed threads, keeps my brain juicy 13:44:52 *** lugo has joined #openttd 13:45:13 <andythenorth> TrueBrain: so, can you make the Docker stuff, choose a http server, and make it serve a simple index.html on staging.openttd.org ? 13:45:19 <andythenorth> and put it in a repo 13:45:26 <andythenorth> and tell me how to build it :P 13:45:29 <TrueBrain> haha :D 13:45:29 <andythenorth> fanx 13:45:31 <TrueBrain> I am looking into it 13:52:34 <TrueBrain> Jekyll is used a lot for these kind of websites, it seems 13:52:59 <TrueBrain> but ... ruby ... brrr :P 13:53:35 <andythenorth> I'm not very interested in learning ruby :P 13:53:36 <andythenorth> tbh] 13:53:40 <TrueBrain> you dont need to 13:55:08 <andythenorth> uses Liquid 13:55:11 <andythenorth> Liquid looks fine 13:55:39 <andythenorth> such templating languages 13:55:46 <andythenorth> I only know Chameleon :P 13:55:57 <TrueBrain> I was first installing Slack 13:56:04 <TrueBrain> just ... BECAUSE I CAN 13:58:31 <andythenorth> no 13:58:33 <andythenorth> you can't 13:58:38 <andythenorth> NOT ALLOWED 13:58:52 <TrueBrain> and browseing github, how others do their frontpage 13:58:56 <TrueBrain> it is amazing what you find 13:58:59 <TrueBrain> lot of Ruby stuff 13:59:06 <TrueBrain> lot of npm stuff 13:59:13 <andythenorth> jekyll looks remarkably like a finished version of how I build stuff 13:59:22 <andythenorth> newgrf docs, and internal work docs 14:01:08 <andythenorth> hmm 14:01:23 <TrueBrain> it looks pretty okay tbh 14:01:27 <andythenorth> I could scale vehicle purchase costs by game start date 14:02:05 <TrueBrain> it is simple, to the point, nothing more than needed 14:02:28 <TrueBrain> I just have no clue how to do the download banner with it :D 14:02:31 <andythenorth> I am +/-0 on it 14:02:41 <andythenorth> I am reading about Pelican 14:03:02 <nielsm> andythenorth, you mean so the vehicles available early on in the game are cheap? 14:03:09 <nielsm> regardless of your start date 14:03:11 <andythenorth> when you don't have much money yes 14:03:14 <andythenorth> I think it doesn't work 14:03:18 <nielsm> that sounds like a decent idea 14:03:24 <andythenorth> almost like a discount :P 14:03:30 <andythenorth> 'get started' discount 14:03:40 <andythenorth> maybe a GS should do that 14:03:58 <nielsm> if you start in 1980 and even the cheapest loco costs £150k it's hard getting started :P 14:04:01 <andythenorth> TrueBrain: http://docs.getpelican.com/en/stable/quickstart.html#installation 14:05:36 <TrueBrain> feels like that is too minimalistic tbh 14:06:15 <TrueBrain> but it shows 2 things I need to solve: I need a Docker that first generates files to be included in another docker. I did not consider that yet :D 14:06:33 <TrueBrain> second, the download banner is more annoying than expected :) 14:06:56 <andythenorth> iframe :P 14:09:18 <TrueBrain> changes to the banner is a rare event 14:09:28 <TrueBrain> basically, on some signal, you just want to rebuild the image and deploy it, I guess 14:09:46 <TrueBrain> making multiple versions of the same git tag, which is bad 14:09:54 <TrueBrain> but commiting a new version every time a nightly is done, is also shitty 14:20:41 <TrueBrain> okay, what will work, is if we use a Docker image which has nginx and jekyll in it .. then on boot you can fetch the latest downloads, generate the website 14:20:52 <TrueBrain> and validate every N minutes if the latest download changed; if so, regenerate 14:20:58 <TrueBrain> not perfect, but good enough for now 14:27:59 <andythenorth> is local dev done in a docker image, or directly? 14:28:06 <TrueBrain> both 14:33:03 <TrueBrain> meh, 'gems' that need 'gcc' 14:33:06 <TrueBrain> that is never a good sign 14:33:15 <andythenorth> is that not normal? 14:33:36 <andythenorth> I only use ruby for the mac ports tree thing, and that needs gcc frequently :P 14:33:44 <TrueBrain> I hate it when it does 14:33:54 <TrueBrain> it often is also for silly shit 14:34:43 <andythenorth> tbf, newgrfs used to require GCC :P 14:34:44 <TrueBrain> but for Dockerfiles, this often means: install gcc, do stuff, uninstall gcc 14:34:45 <TrueBrain> just annoying 14:34:46 <andythenorth> for templating 14:35:41 <TrueBrain> in this case, jekyll wants to install a http parser 14:35:46 <TrueBrain> I dont want his http part 14:35:48 <TrueBrain> wtf 14:38:41 * andythenorth distrusts 'here is all you need' solutions :P 14:39:54 <TrueBrain> it always wants me to make it myself 14:40:00 <TrueBrain> but .. that just adds yet-another-solution to the mix :) 14:43:31 <TrueBrain> life is never simple :P 14:47:33 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 14:52:27 <TrueBrain> meh .. the webserver thing is really cramped into Jekyll 14:52:31 <TrueBrain> guess we are not going touse Jekyll :P 14:58:57 <frosch123> oh, flask already has a openid-connect extension 15:01:23 <TrueBrain> that works with GitHub, or? 15:02:45 <frosch123> i assumed so... but some 2015 post says it does some custom oauth2 hack 15:03:22 <TrueBrain> lot of apps allow you to use GitHub as authentication, so not that question I guess? 15:06:18 <TrueBrain> okay, Jekyll is still in the running .. 'apk' (from alpine) is awesome :) 15:07:51 <nielsm> awesome! I have the game playing music from a wav file mixed through mixer.cpp with the rest 15:07:59 <nielsm> (that part's been done before I know) 15:10:40 <nielsm> the goal is to have fluidsynth play through the game mixer, and maybe also add in the opl2/3 emulator from dosbox and support playing from ADLIB.CAT from ttd dos :) 15:10:51 <TrueBrain> I always forget that volume mounts in Docker don't work if you are working on another machine :D LALALALAAAAA :P 15:11:02 <TrueBrain> you are crazy nielsm :) 15:11:06 <TrueBrain> (which is a positive thing) 15:11:50 <nielsm> the hard part was writing (yet another) riff wave file parser 15:12:02 <frosch123> TrueBrain: assuming i would implement authentication delegation into eints/bananas, so translators/contentpeople can login with github, tt-forums if possible, ... would there still be a reason to allow them to login with the existing openttd account? 15:12:14 <TrueBrain> no 15:12:20 <TrueBrain> I would really like to deprecated our own SSO 15:12:41 <TrueBrain> but ... we might want to create a grace period of some sorts 15:12:57 <frosch123> i wonder about stuff like wiki 15:13:06 <TrueBrain> good point 15:13:21 <frosch123> i can hack eints and bananas, but can i hack wiki? :p 15:13:34 <TrueBrain> yes; and it can also just support oauth :) 15:13:45 <TrueBrain> but .. I guess we can slap an oauth on the OpenTTD LDAP 15:13:54 <TrueBrain> which means nobody has to change; but they can 15:14:11 <TrueBrain> for wiki it is also a bit more of anissue, with usernames etc 15:14:25 <TrueBrain> ideal you let people link their OpenTTD account to another OAuth 15:14:30 <TrueBrain> so their username is maintained 15:14:39 <TrueBrain> same goes for BaNaNaS, I guess 15:15:07 <frosch123> i kind of want to implement a small authorisation server, which manages user permissions for translators etc... kind of the current ldap roles, but without the authentication stuff 15:15:16 <TrueBrain> so I am afraid we will be forced to preseed BaNaNaS with OpenTTD LDAP :( 15:15:51 <TrueBrain> local applications should always do authorization ofc 15:16:07 <TrueBrain> not sure it needs to be a server, or part of the application 15:16:10 <TrueBrain> but that is up to you ofc :) 15:16:35 <TrueBrain> but yeah, I am with you on the: lets move away from our own LDAP :) 15:16:44 <TrueBrain> I would really like all parts of OpenTTD to be "on their own" 15:16:53 <TrueBrain> easier in development etc etc 15:17:20 <nielsm> https://github.com/nielsmh/OpenTTD/tree/sampled-music 15:17:27 <nielsm> not making a PR for this, just yet :P 15:17:33 <nielsm> very much haxhax 15:38:41 <TrueBrain> meh, I have to learn to a bit too much about how Ruby does packaging for my taste :P 15:40:57 <andythenorth> apache and a python script :P 15:41:04 <andythenorth> red neck solution 15:41:28 <TrueBrain> ah, finally have it running via both local 'serve' as Docker 15:41:37 <TrueBrain> if I can now forget everything I learned, I am fine 15:48:13 <TrueBrain> okay .. so next step is to clean up the files, and push that to github .. 15:50:37 <nielsm> okay I think I have fluidsynth playing through the mixer now 15:51:27 <andythenorth> ha ha 15:51:30 <andythenorth> :) 15:53:34 <nielsm> birds are weird, I think their sound output is linked to level of brain activity, whenever a stimulus arrives sound is produced 16:05:02 <frosch123> mostly mammals here 16:13:12 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] J0anJosep commented on pull request #6958: Fix #6864: Normalise colour use in Frame rate window https://git.io/fxhpw 16:33:20 *** matt21347 has quit IRC 16:35:49 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] J0anJosep commented on pull request #6935: Add: EnsureNoShipFromDiagDirs https://git.io/fxhha 16:50:36 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] J0anJosep commented on pull request #6927: Change: Forbid dock placement on docking area https://git.io/fxhj3 16:58:53 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 17:18:29 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest2148 17:18:31 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 17:18:38 <andythenorth> is Wolf01 a mammal? 17:20:44 <frosch123> werewolves count as mammals 17:23:34 *** Guest2148 has quit IRC 17:44:57 <andythenorth> frogs? 18:08:18 *** Wacko1976 has quit IRC 18:11:00 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 18:15:51 *** glx has joined #openttd 18:15:51 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v glx 18:20:19 * andythenorth busy busy 18:21:38 <andythenorth> nielsm: seen the comments on ship stuff? 18:21:43 <andythenorth> I'm inclined to agree 18:24:55 <nielsm> right, it does seem many of them are mostly trying to prevent AIs from shooting themselves too close to the ankle and lose the entire foot 18:26:32 <andythenorth> samu runs long games watching AIs 18:26:45 <andythenorth> and then proposes trunk patches to fix isolated cases he's seen 18:26:59 <andythenorth> there is probably some metaphor about boiling the ocean or something 18:34:35 <frosch123> why do 99 people watch openttd on gh? 18:35:06 <frosch123> why get notified about all conversations when not participating in any of them? 18:35:42 <TrueBrain> because they like the spam? 18:35:52 <frosch123> are these the same people as in this channel? 18:35:58 <TrueBrain> some are :P 18:37:22 <TrueBrain> oeh, more than 1000 stars \o/ 18:37:38 <TrueBrain> I didnt even gave it a star :o 18:38:08 <frosch123> yes, we surpassed openttd-deprecated pretty quick 18:38:15 <frosch123> also in forks 18:38:26 <TrueBrain> I like how the last commit is from the 26th of July :P 18:39:39 <frosch123> well, some of the forks are from bots which fork everything, possibly trying to consume gh resources 18:39:49 <frosch123> (no idea why) 18:40:46 <nielsm> I think some also fork projects to get them appear on their profile 18:40:49 <nielsm> as if they were working on it 18:41:13 <frosch123> yes, but when people have >1000 repositories, i consider them bots :) 18:41:16 <andythenorth> one day software will eat all the world 18:41:17 <andythenorth> nvm 18:41:30 <andythenorth> also, how many bags of mail in an 8/8 mail wagon? 18:41:34 <TrueBrain> 12 18:41:35 <andythenorth> default game is 30-37 18:41:41 <andythenorth> depending on type 18:42:26 <frosch123> take an educational approach, make all capacities prime numbers 18:43:08 <frosch123> i am sure some people get annoyed if you set capacity to 31 18:43:30 <andythenorth> capacity prime 18:43:39 <andythenorth> is that an autobot? 18:45:27 <frosch123> even more scary are the people following me 18:55:44 <frosch123> https://github.com/torvalds/linux/pulls <- exploring gh is like exploring yt 18:56:08 <frosch123> someone wrote a bot to reply to every pr that prs are not used 18:57:51 <TrueBrain> but not even closed 18:57:52 <TrueBrain> lol 19:01:04 <TrueBrain> so much trolling in those PRs 19:01:06 <TrueBrain> lol 19:01:36 <frosch123> no code of conduct :) 19:01:46 <TrueBrain> so many PRs to revert the CoC :P 19:04:26 *** snail_UES_ has joined #openttd 19:05:30 <frosch123> i really wonder about the idea behind that bot 19:05:54 <frosch123> did people not know you can disable pr creation, or is that a newer gh feature which did not exist in the past? 19:06:05 <LordAro> i think the latter 19:06:11 <LordAro> o/ all 19:06:17 <frosch123> as it is now, it ridicules everyone opening one 19:07:00 <TrueBrain> I also think if you close PRs, people get even more confuse 19:07:25 <TrueBrain> (as in, disable PRs) 19:08:38 <TrueBrain> why SONOS, every time I want to use the app, you are FORCING Me to update before I can play music ... sometimes I simply dont have time to do the update first .. ugh .. 19:10:59 <andythenorth> but imagine the infosec compliance 19:11:03 <andythenorth> forcibly closed vulns 19:11:06 <andythenorth> right? 19:18:09 <Wolf01> <andythenorth> is Wolf01 a mammal? <- what made you think I might be a mammal? 19:21:00 <Wolf01> I might be a reptilian or an astral being 19:21:41 <frosch123> it's fine as long as you are no bird 19:24:26 <Wolf01> Mmmh, I need to exercise a bit, but to do what I want I need a bench... 19:24:52 <frosch123> standard excuse :) 19:25:32 <Wolf01> I just purchased the weights :( 19:26:05 <Wolf01> But I need the bench for one specific exercise 19:26:30 <Wolf01> All the others are free body 19:27:36 *** Happpy has joined #openttd 19:27:54 *** Happpy has left #openttd 19:33:28 <Wolf01> Mmmh, the bed seem to be high enough, but a bit too soft 19:34:13 <Wolf01> https://www.bodyfitnesstip.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Back-exercises-dumbbell%201.png <- 19:41:05 <Wolf01> Wow, it works, the pain faded away with 2 series O_O 19:45:10 <andythenorth> \o/ 19:51:26 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on issue #6903: selected rail type should be included in game saves https://git.io/fxjLq 19:52:45 <andythenorth> that's just 'save UI stuff' coming up again 19:52:49 <andythenorth> which we don't do 19:52:56 <andythenorth> window positions are same problem 19:53:44 <nielsm> have a client-side cache of last used railtype per save file and per server address, keep the last 10 or so of each of singleplayer and multiplayer 19:53:53 <nielsm> but not storing it in the save file 19:54:13 <andythenorth> yes it's client state 19:54:15 <andythenorth> not savegame 19:54:34 <andythenorth> photoshop doesn't rearrange itself when I open a .psd 19:54:44 <nielsm> you should write that on the ticket :) 19:54:51 <andythenorth> oof 19:55:07 *** wodencafe has joined #openttd 19:55:22 <andythenorth> it should just be one persistent UI state, but it's probably too big for openttd.cfg? 19:55:24 <andythenorth> maybe 19:55:32 <andythenorth> that's where we keep other stuff like newgrf list 19:55:50 <frosch123> currently you can store stuff globally and per company 19:56:21 <frosch123> per client makes singleplayer/multiplayer/reloading pretty undefined 20:00:45 <nielsm> re. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/6890 -- I think attempting to trigger it would need adding a single-step function to run a single tick at a time from pause mode 20:00:49 <nielsm> but is it worth trying to fix? 20:01:36 <frosch123> you need the crash.sav 20:01:53 <frosch123> then you know which rv disconnected where 20:02:11 <frosch123> as it is now, noone knows what is happening since it is not reproducible 20:20:09 *** HerzogDeXtEr has quit IRC 20:33:36 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on issue #6865: Drawing vertical/horizontal lines of width>1 problem https://git.io/fxjqW 21:10:53 *** wodencafe has quit IRC 21:14:36 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 21:17:53 <andythenorth> what don't I get? https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=1214447#p1214447 21:17:57 <andythenorth> https://www.openttd.org/en/ 21:18:09 <andythenorth> I dont' want to be an asshole 21:18:14 <andythenorth> but isn't that a blog post? 21:19:33 <Wolf01> I thought you ragequit the forum :P 21:21:25 <andythenorth> I took a break 21:21:37 <andythenorth> because ragequit was 1 step away 21:21:42 <andythenorth> in a kind of dumb way 21:24:37 *** lugo has quit IRC 21:27:03 <nielsm> oh well, back to work tomorrow 21:27:04 <nielsm> gn 21:27:36 <andythenorth> bye 21:27:49 <LordAro> and he was never seen again 21:28:07 <Wolf01> :o 21:35:09 *** nielsm has quit IRC 22:25:43 *** Wolf01 has quit IRC 22:40:06 *** wodencafe has joined #openttd 23:17:40 *** andythenorth has quit IRC