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07:03:56  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on issue #6427: [Windows] RTL bug OpenTTD 1.6.0-RC1
07:03:57  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh closed issue #6427: [Windows] RTL bug OpenTTD 1.6.0-RC1
07:05:06  <nielsm> morning
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07:26:45  <andythenorth> oof what's the singular of 'news'? :P
07:31:22  <andythenorth> ugh markdown :(
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07:51:02  <nielsm> one story of news?
07:51:43  <nielsm> (or one article of news)
07:52:44  <andythenorth> one article of news
07:52:46  <andythenorth> a news article
07:52:48  <andythenorth> a news item
07:52:50  <andythenorth> a news post
07:52:54  <andythenorth> :P
07:53:06  <andythenorth> it's fine, just English is a silly language
07:53:10  <nielsm> uncountable nouns are troublesome
07:53:17  <andythenorth> the template for a screenshot is 'screenshot.html'
07:53:25  <andythenorth> the template for a news item is 'news.html'
07:53:28  <andythenorth> which is correct
07:54:09  <andythenorth> hmm, who used <h5> tags?
07:54:19  <andythenorth> I have never found a reason for a <h5> in 20 years of html
07:54:31  <nielsm> that's a lot of nesting if it wasn't just used for formatting
07:55:48  <andythenorth> I suspect formatting
07:55:51  <andythenorth> there's no preceeding h4
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08:55:21  <andythenorth> TrueBrain: ok news kinda done
08:55:34  <andythenorth> there is some pissing around to do with which news posts show were
08:55:37  <andythenorth> (front page vs archive)
08:56:13  <andythenorth> I haven't figured out the rules for that, but eh
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10:15:43  <andythenorth> bbl
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10:55:45  <TrueBrain> @mode +R
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10:55:50  <TrueBrain> OFTC really is not what it used to be :(
10:56:24  <LordAro> :(
10:59:01  <TrueBrain> I created an OpenTTD slack :P
10:59:30  <nielsm> TrueBrain: is this something you can look into?
10:59:38  <LordAro> noooo
10:59:53  <TrueBrain> nielsm: that is more frosch's domain
11:00:03  <nielsm> mmk
11:00:14  <TrueBrain> I did look at it, and .. I got a bit confused :D
11:00:31  <TrueBrain> it feels weird, but the fix I had in mind was a lot more work :P
11:01:17  <nielsm> another test might be if the new file is zero bytes
11:01:33  <TrueBrain> I would expect that it is a pre-filter or something
11:02:14  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on pull request #6960: Remove: Visual Studio project files for earlier than 2015
11:02:36  <TrueBrain> :P
11:02:39  <TrueBrain> is that bad? :D
11:03:49  <TrueBrain> owh, you need invite links .. which are weirdly complex
11:03:50  <TrueBrain> lol
11:04:16  <LordAro> slack is the worst
11:04:33  <TrueBrain> I love those overdramatic statements :)
11:06:51  <TrueBrain> hmm, not sure why andy reimplemented a blog .. that is not really ideal .. now we miss a few useful functions :)
11:09:30  <TrueBrain> Slack no longer supports IRC gateways
11:09:31  <TrueBrain> lol
11:10:47  <zuzak> that's where comes in
11:14:01  <LordAro> matrix is acceptable
11:14:06  <LordAro> though it's often unstable
11:15:01  <TrueBrain> and I still cannot copy/paste on this machine .. which is hilarious :D
11:15:27  <TrueBrain> when I disconnect VNC, Konversation's clipboard no longer works :P
11:15:39  <TrueBrain> amazing, how good technoligy works :P
11:18:00  <TrueBrain> you need a paid plan on Slack to allow guests .. wuth?
11:18:15  <nielsm> sounds like a bad choice then
11:18:28  <TrueBrain> well, this channel is not much different atm
11:18:30  <nielsm> walled gardens
11:18:34  <TrueBrain> you also need to register before you can enter
11:18:55  <TrueBrain> so "bad choice" is overstating atm :D
11:20:18  <TrueBrain> but I really really do not like this channel being +R
11:20:19  <planetmaker> maybe we should rather use discord
11:20:36  <TrueBrain> Discord is not really nice for development, we noticed in other projects
11:20:47  <planetmaker> but +R here... meh... spammers... also meh
11:21:04  <planetmaker> just curious: what's bad about discorse for dev?
11:21:19  <TrueBrain> tracking any conversation is difficult
11:21:37  <planetmaker> nothing beats ascii simplicity of irc ;)
11:21:58  <TrueBrain> honestly, we can't really put our finger on it. It seems it has mostly to do with UX
11:22:19  <planetmaker> discord seems like a gamer chat platform. And that it is
11:22:27  <TrueBrain> for games it is awesome
11:22:30  <TrueBrain> (playing games)
11:22:34  <planetmaker> not tailored towards ... discussion and finding stuff again
11:22:43  <planetmaker> yeah
11:23:19  <TrueBrain> I wonder if Open Source is considered 'nonprofits' in terms of Slack :P
11:23:30  <TrueBrain> gives you a free upgrade up to 250 people
11:23:45  <planetmaker> should be, shouldn't it?
11:24:01  <TrueBrain> "valid charitable status"
11:24:29  <planetmaker> non-profit != charitable status. They should get their terms right :)
11:25:04  <TrueBrain> and this is why people are still on IRC :P
11:25:39  <planetmaker> Also... I can issue "valid charitable status" certificates when people start donating 50€/month to me. Wonder chich country's administration would acknowledge it, though ;)
11:26:13  <TrueBrain> funny to google for "slack open source" .. that is not what I wanted to ask :P
11:27:06  <planetmaker> hehe :D
11:29:27  <TrueBrain> Slacking: like freenode, but on Slack
11:29:28  <TrueBrain> lol
11:30:42  <planetmaker> ?
11:31:30  <TrueBrain> okay, there are ways to make it easier to get into Slack, but it always requires an email address .. guess that is the price you pay to avoid spammers
11:31:58  <TrueBrain> planetmaker: there are tons of other chat platforms; my issue is a bit, they are all not really known, so who knows how long they survive
11:31:59  <planetmaker> which means we're back to the +R equivalent
11:32:25  <TrueBrain> and I would really like to avoid running the infrastructure ourself :P
11:32:38  <planetmaker> yeah, I know. And totally understand
11:33:56  <TrueBrain> its a bit sad, that spam has overrun us in such ways, we have to filter at the door :(
11:35:33  <TrueBrain> honestly, we can work around it by giving everyone a email address :P
11:36:24  <planetmaker> not exactly. +R is ok also here for the regular users. But +R is a PITA and hindrance for the occasional drop-by but valid user
11:36:44  <TrueBrain> so for something like Slack you could make a page where they just enter their username
11:36:50  <TrueBrain> we create an email address, confirm it, and let them in :P
11:38:20  <TrueBrain> gitter too, wants to link to your GitHub account
11:38:30  <TrueBrain> "free" is not so free anymore :)
11:39:36  <michi_cc> ChanServ is missing an autovoice after 10 seconds option.
11:40:13  <TrueBrain> ghehe; that would only fix the issue for a short window of time
11:40:56  <TrueBrain> either way, I do think we have to do something; being harder and harder to reach for the main part of your public is not helping a project :)
11:41:10  <TrueBrain> (and yes, I am sorry, but IRC is not that common anymore for the current generations :))
11:41:39  <TrueBrain> that is where Slack really helps; a lot of people know and understand that platform these days :)
11:43:13  <LordAro> is there an autovoice-when-registered thing on OFTC?
11:43:34  <LordAro> it wouldn't solve everything, but it wouldn't stop people actually joining
11:44:13  <TrueBrain> after which they cannot talk?
11:44:32  <TrueBrain> IRC for guests is already alienating, so not sure that helps :)
11:44:50  <LordAro> yeah, but it stops them from being shut out entirely
11:45:04  <TrueBrain> not being able to speak is similar to them; they wont understand, and leave
11:45:13  <TrueBrain> remember they most likely have a single question they really want to ask
11:46:01  <LordAro> alternatively you could just cope with the occasional broken spam messages :p
11:47:26  <TrueBrain> that is true, but that still leaves that IRC is not the common chat platform anymore
11:47:36  <TrueBrain> and it is really not that userfriendly for people with a question
11:53:46  <zuzak> talking of questions, does anything different happen if an industry is only slightly in a station's coverage area
11:54:01  <TrueBrain> it either is or isn't :)
11:54:40  <zuzak> okay then :)
12:00:49  <LordAro> there are some industries that only produce from certain tiles, aren't there?
12:08:21  <nielsm> nah all industry tiles are equally good for production
12:08:25  <nielsm> it's acceptance that's per tile
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12:11:04  <andythenorth> TrueBrain: mostly I didn't like the format of blog post filenames
12:11:15  <andythenorth> nor the output format, although that's changeable
12:11:19  <LordAro> ^
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12:12:34  <andythenorth> it's probably 5 mins work to use the built in Jekyll blog, but I suspect it's just implemented as a collection anyway, with reserved names
12:13:44  <nielsm> remember to try keeping old urls valid on a new site, have them return "moved permanently" status and redirect
12:14:16  <andythenorth> that's a Truebrain job :)
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12:18:42  <nielsm>  20 years old :D
12:18:55  <nielsm> "You may not be using HTML for that page in 20 years time, but you might want today's links to it to still be valid."  <- turns out we still are, but it's a different html
12:31:19  <andythenorth> did we win yet?
12:33:46  <andythenorth> if we don't use .html on the output files, my browser can't open them from the filesystem for testing :P
12:33:59  <andythenorth> because mime type is missing
12:40:27  <LordAro> don't try to change that
12:40:34  <LordAro> that's up to whatever webserver gets used
12:43:47  <andythenorth> I know :)
12:44:03  <andythenorth> so do I have to talk to TrueBrain on slack now? :P
12:52:37  <TrueBrain> andythenorth: still, you are reinventing the wheel now. And for people wanting to make modifications to the website, staying close to what Jekyll describes helps a lot
12:53:01  <TrueBrain> but mostly, I really like what they did with the filenaming, the sitemap, the RSS feed, and the individual posts you can view
12:53:08  <TrueBrain> not sure it is best to reinvent that again :)
12:54:17  <TrueBrain> (news/ is not really verbose :P)
12:54:18  <andythenorth> you'll do all the URL remapping?
12:54:24  <TrueBrain> that is a problem for future-me
12:54:28  <TrueBrain> dont worry about it :)
12:54:37  <andythenorth> and you'll generate all the timestamps and title slugs in the posts?
12:54:48  <TrueBrain> yup
12:54:56  <andythenorth> ok I'l flip it
12:54:59  <andythenorth> it's trivial
12:55:00  <TrueBrain> automation is easy :P
12:55:03  <TrueBrain> nice :)
12:55:16  <andythenorth> so are we all moving to slack?
12:55:28  <andythenorth> I might move work stuff to slack on Monday, we want to run authed bots
12:55:39  <andythenorth> and irc isn't ideal for that
12:56:11  <frosch123> you move stuff on a monday?
12:56:17  <andythenorth> yup
12:56:21  <andythenorth> but not a friday
12:57:29  <andythenorth> I just fundamentally dislike slack :(
12:57:36  <andythenorth> but it might be a necessary evil
12:58:45  <TrueBrain> andythenorth: I think we need to do something; not sure if Slack is it, but it is the more popular atm
12:59:04  <TrueBrain> joining the rest of the crowd sometimes is a good thing (like moving to github)
12:59:21  <TrueBrain> I am, however, a bit annoyed they closed their IRC gateway; that makes it just a bit more difficult
12:59:26  <LordAro> having been through 2 "moves" to slack from irc, it only ever really serves to split the community
12:59:26  <andythenorth> so when I buy gmail for business, it's google, doing email
12:59:35  <andythenorth> when I buy, I'm buying redmine, hosted
12:59:41  <andythenorth> when I buy bitbucket, it's git, hosted
12:59:47  <andythenorth> but slack is proprietary :P
12:59:52  <andythenorth> which I dislike
13:00:00  <TrueBrain> LordAro: last time OpenTTD moved chat-channels, we moved. As in, we locked down what we left behind. People were moved within a day ;)
13:00:05  * andythenorth is the MD of a proprietary software company :P
13:00:14  <TrueBrain> Medical Director? :P
13:03:36  <TrueBrain> I find the world of chat-software a bit weird .. we go from this fully free platform (IRC, XMPP, what-ever), to all these small proprietary solutions
13:03:40  <TrueBrain> world inside-out :P
13:04:09  <andythenorth> because open platforms are open to all people :(
13:04:22  <andythenorth> and "all people" is not who you want when you want to get stuff done
13:04:41  <andythenorth> TrueBrain: current news articles have a publish time, can we drop that?
13:04:47  <andythenorth> is it even TZ aware? :P
13:04:54  <TrueBrain> CE(S)T :)
13:05:21  <TrueBrain> the "time" of the "date/time" is irrelevant, I guess :)
13:05:27  <andythenorth> because posts take the date from the filename
13:05:38  <andythenorth> I don't want two sources of truth by also adding a var for it
13:05:44  <andythenorth> that will just go wrong
13:05:48  <TrueBrain> yeah, so drop it :)
13:05:57  <andythenorth> ta
13:06:14  <TrueBrain> time is only useful for the first 7 days or so
13:06:17  <TrueBrain> after that, nobody gives a ...
13:10:43  <andythenorth> TrueBrain: pushed
13:10:46  <andythenorth> 4 mins work :P
13:10:52  <TrueBrain> nice :D
13:10:54  <andythenorth> I could refactor some var names though
13:11:00  <andythenorth> Jekyll is *really* good software
13:12:12  <nielsm> there were lots of attempts to make an open "irc killer" over time, afaik, but nothing really caught on since irc already had lots of clients and lots of users
13:12:58  <TrueBrain> andythenorth: nice :D
13:12:59  <nielsm> and then some closed products rush in and catch the facebook generation with sleeker UI and integrated features
13:13:14  <andythenorth> I only joined irc under protest
13:13:22  <andythenorth> because Jabber, AIM weren't good enough
13:13:24  <andythenorth> nor the Apple thing
13:13:53  <nielsm> I think I still have my irc log archive back to 2002 or 2003
13:15:33  <andythenorth> hmm
13:15:42  <andythenorth> I've reintroduced the news item title bug
13:15:43  <andythenorth> oops
13:21:01  <andythenorth> TrueBrain: I've pushed, there's a bug I can't fix right now and I have visitors arriving :P
13:21:26  <andythenorth> posts no longer have a predictable path, so I can't prevent their titles from gaining a link
13:21:47  <TrueBrain> no rush :)
13:33:47  <frosch123> what, we can no longer fake the times?
13:34:03  <planetmaker> touch $FILENAME ;)
13:34:09  <frosch123> that will result in a lot of 2nd april releases :p
13:35:01  <TrueBrain> frosch123: the time is in the filename .. I am sure you can come up with a way to fake that :P
13:35:06  <TrueBrain> remember, we were talking about TIMES, not DATES :)
13:35:17  <nielsm> hi frosch123 any chance of looking at this soon? :)
13:37:00  <frosch123> can please you add something to the test cases?
13:37:46  <nielsm> ah
13:47:09  <planetmaker> frosch123, is there a quick tour how the github webhooks work / how they are installed somewhere you know of?
13:47:29  <frosch123> webhooks is tb
13:47:34  <frosch123> commithooks is me
13:47:43  <planetmaker> ah, thought you installed them
13:50:31  <planetmaker> commithooks... on the server side?
13:53:33  <zuzak> do farm yields go down if you murder all their fields
13:53:58  <planetmaker> nope. Farm fields are just eye candy
13:57:41  <frosch123> planetmaker: the hooks would also work on a server, but gh does not offer that. instead we run them on the compile farm for PRs
13:58:08  <frosch123> it's the "commit-checker" target
13:58:25  <frosch123> it checks all commits in the PR
14:02:17  <nielsm> hmm turns out the actual problem isn't deleting files
14:02:40  <nielsm> it's that some of the files deleted were missing newlines at the end all the time
14:03:07  <TrueBrain> so it was detecting a missing newline in a removed file :D Interesting .... ;)
14:03:31  <TrueBrain> first make a commit to add the newlines, then remove the file? :P
14:03:38  <nielsm> settingsgen_vs100.vcxproj version_vs100.vcxproj
14:03:40  <nielsm> those two files
14:03:48  <nielsm> yeah I'm doing it the dumb way around :P
14:03:50  <TrueBrain> git blame, and slap those people! :P
14:08:00  * nielsm slaps glx around with a cow
14:08:26  <nielsm> 2011
14:09:26  <TrueBrain> so expected it to be me tbh :D
14:09:41  <nielsm> :D
14:09:45  <frosch123> i expected truelight
14:10:04  <nielsm> glx is the only with history on the settingsgen project at least
14:12:21  <TrueBrain> I have no problems blaiming him :P
14:15:33  <LordAro> nielsm: sounds like you should finish #5 :p
14:22:11  <nielsm> $ git commit -m "Update: Add missing newline at end of some project files"
14:22:11  <nielsm> *** b/projects/generate_vs140.vcxproj: No newline at end of file
14:22:18  <nielsm> arghdsrbno8340w
14:22:26  <LordAro> lol
14:22:35  <LordAro> --amemd
14:22:53  <TrueBrain> guess it is time for a password change? :P
14:22:55  <nielsm> I'm making a new commit on top of master here, not amending anything
14:30:56  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh updated pull request #6960: Remove: Visual Studio project files for earlier than 2015
14:30:57  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh dismissed a review for pull request #6960: Remove: Visual Studio project files for earlier than 2015
14:32:10  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on pull request #6960: Remove: Visual Studio project files for earlier than 2015
14:36:05  <nielsm> I'm not sure how you'd best detect that a missing-newline-at-end is being fixed and not introduced
14:37:58  <frosch123> previous line containing "-"?
14:38:08  <frosch123> but yeah, it's weird
14:39:57  <frosch123> <- that's what it looks like when fixing
14:40:33  <nielsm> yeah
14:40:45  <nielsm> so uh...
14:41:20  <nielsm> ^\+.*$^\ No newline at end of file
14:41:24  <nielsm> does that work?
14:41:33  <nielsm> my regex-fu is weak
14:42:00  <frosch123> <- that's when breaking it
14:42:49  <frosch123> nielsm: no, the loop already splits the liens
14:42:56  <nielsm> ah
14:43:37  <frosch123> so, you need some state var betwen loop iterations
14:43:39  <andythenorth> hmm
14:43:41  <nielsm> so, keep track of whether previous line was add, remove, context, or hunk-position?
14:43:45  <andythenorth> I'm sure I'm doing jekyll wrong
14:43:57  <andythenorth> figuring out urls shouldn't be this hard
14:44:07  <TrueBrain> I agree :P
14:46:30  <andythenorth> I've done hax
14:46:33  <andythenorth> pushed
14:46:47  <andythenorth> maybe the idea of testing locally is just silly
14:46:55  <andythenorth> but anyway
14:47:11  <TrueBrain> there is: jekyll serve
14:47:15  <TrueBrain> which makes a small http server out of it
14:47:19  <andythenorth> I know :P
14:47:26  <andythenorth> I used it to run a link checker
14:47:26  <frosch123> TrueBrain: btw. how does deploying private keys work?
14:47:47  <TrueBrain> frosch123: I am lacking a bit of context to answer that question :)
14:47:57  <frosch123> some of the dockers require cookie private keys and database password
14:48:19  <andythenorth> so what's left to do on website?
14:48:27  <TrueBrain> ah, dockers :)
14:48:27  <andythenorth> I'd like to finish it ASAP, so we can all move on :)
14:48:32  <frosch123> so, if i publish the docker file or stack.yml, how do other people use them?
14:48:35  <andythenorth> I have newgrf, tank games etc to do
14:48:38  <TrueBrain> frosch123: the most common way I see, is by using env (-e)
14:48:56  <TrueBrain> stack.yml?
14:48:59  <TrueBrain> no clue what that is :)
14:50:40  <TrueBrain> but normally passwords and private keys are read by what-ever is in the Docker from the env
14:50:47  <frosch123> <- currently i use docker stack deploy to start the wiki
14:50:48  <TrueBrain> and the controller spinning up the dockers is telling what those values are
14:50:58  <TrueBrain> never worked with docker stack :P
14:51:04  <frosch123> so, i take it the controller is secret
14:51:11  <TrueBrain> didnt even know it existed
14:51:26  <TrueBrain> (with controller here I mean the human)
14:51:53  <TrueBrain> ah, docker stack is something like docker swarm
14:51:55  <TrueBrain> sure
14:52:02  <TrueBrain> you also see a lot of docker-compose for the small stuff btw
14:52:53  <TrueBrain> anyway, not really sure what best-practice is for this
14:53:15  <TrueBrain> sure google has a lot of opinions about it :) I only used this with kubernetes, and there you have "secrets", which work really well
14:53:33  <TrueBrain> there too the idea is that the pod reads the information from the env
14:54:24  <TrueBrain> I think the idea behind it all is a bit, that like your stack.yml, the only one who can reach the database (assuming normal firewalling), is the other container
14:54:30  <TrueBrain> so as long as they know the "pre-shared" key
14:54:31  <TrueBrain> it is fine
14:54:52  <TrueBrain> not sure
14:55:40  <frosch123> anyway, as fyi, i built a working mediawiki docker
14:55:46  <TrueBrain> \o/ :D
14:55:55  <frosch123> the official mediawiki thingie on dockerhub is completely broken
14:56:00  <frosch123> so i used debian as base
14:56:19  <TrueBrain> works-for-me
14:56:42  <TrueBrain> I hope next weekend or the one after to have some basic infrastructure running on k8s .. then we can launch that in the staging too
14:56:58  <frosch123> i am not here next weekend
14:57:16  <andythenorth> so website
14:57:34  <andythenorth> how is the front page screenshot supposed to work?
14:57:35  <andythenorth>
14:57:39  <andythenorth> automated or manual?
14:57:48  <TrueBrain> the latest in the set!
14:58:15  <andythenorth> automated then
14:58:32  <andythenorth> so probably just an array slice
15:22:10  <andythenorth> screenshot done
15:22:28  <andythenorth> TrueBrain: so there's some rule for which posts go on front page, and which on archive?
15:22:35  <andythenorth> and then we need multiple archive pages?
15:22:42  <TrueBrain> 5 per page
15:22:44  <TrueBrain> done :)
15:22:50  <TrueBrain> (believe they support that out-of-the-box, not?)
15:22:55  <andythenorth> err maybe
15:23:05  <andythenorth> dunno there are lots of nice filters for things
15:23:09  <andythenorth> just need used
15:24:00  <andythenorth> neeed more posts to test with
15:24:12  <andythenorth> here's my idea: TrueBrain imports all posts, then I set the filters up :P
15:24:13  <andythenorth> winning
15:28:44  <andythenorth> ok website all finished
15:28:45  <andythenorth> profit
15:29:12  <TrueBrain> well, I hope to have it running on staging next weekend or the one after that
15:29:21  <TrueBrain> would be nice :D
15:29:24  <TrueBrain> tnx a lot andythenorth :)
15:29:26  <TrueBrain> pretty quick work :)
15:29:44  <andythenorth> you didn't see all the bugs yet :P
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16:18:49  <TrueBrain> nielsm: hate to be a burden, but possibly it is easier if you make a PR to fix the newlines; that is trivial to force, even if the CI fails
16:19:01  <TrueBrain> hmm
16:19:03  <TrueBrain> now I come to think of it
16:19:07  <TrueBrain> MSVC is not connected to the CI anyway
16:19:09  <TrueBrain> so nevermind
16:19:17  <TrueBrain> if glx approves this, we can force it through, no problems :)
16:19:55  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on pull request #6960: Remove: Visual Studio project files for earlier than 2015
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16:30:31  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh merged pull request #6970: Revert: Sprite sorting optimisation sorted incorrectly.
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16:33:49  <triolus> anyone know why openttd is not in debian testing anymore?
16:34:50  <frosch123> triolus: <- random guess
16:35:18  <nielsm> yeah my guess too, one of the dependencies removed a feature we depend on
16:35:57  <Heiki> also, – the bug has been fixed in unstable already
16:37:45  <Heiki> so it’ll probably be back in testing in a few days, and of course you can install 1.8.0-2 from unstable right now
16:40:47  <triolus> I'm prety sure I have the generic binaries somewhere. thanks for the info!
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17:47:03  <nielsm> frosch123:
18:09:10  <andythenorth> you'd think
18:09:13  <andythenorth> this would be easy to draw
18:09:14  <andythenorth>
18:09:19  <andythenorth> it's just a cuboid
18:11:46  <andythenorth> this is a much harder shape
18:11:50  <andythenorth> but much easier in pixels :P
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18:41:25  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 approved pull request #6960: Remove: Visual Studio project files for earlier than 2015
18:51:54  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain merged pull request #6960: Remove: Visual Studio project files for earlier than 2015
18:52:50  <TrueBrain> tnx glx
18:53:05  <TrueBrain> there you go nielsm :) And tnx for finally removing that stuff :) Now lets migrate to vcpkg! :D
18:56:23  <glx> should be easy now as ICU is gone
18:56:35  <glx> well easier
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19:25:34  <zuzak> is there a shortcut to remove signals in the signals menu? ctrl is taken
19:25:48  <frosch123> "r"
19:25:49  <nielsm> R to toggle removal
19:26:11  <zuzak> ooh
19:26:12  <zuzak> thanks
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20:36:53  <Wolf01> o/
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20:46:25  <nielsm>  <-- as far as I can tell there actually is enough room in the enum to support a "load some cargo (don't leave this stop empty)" order flag
20:47:03  <nielsm> 3 bits set off for the loading type flags, but only 4 choices defined
20:48:03  <nielsm> (for some reason with values 0, 2, 3, 4... and the unload type flags are 0, 1, 2, 4 as if it were a bitfield even though they are logically exclusive))
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20:53:22  <Wolf01> Aww, you left out Eddi again?
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