Log for #openttd on 15th May 2019:
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10:07:10  <andythenorth> yo
10:07:30  <andythenorth> bananas is erroring again, no useful output just "Unexpected error while uploading."
10:07:39  <andythenorth> possibly the unicode failure again? :)
10:08:25  <andythenorth>
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10:09:30  <andythenorth> yeah An unhandled exception was thrown by the application.
10:09:42  <andythenorth> might not be same cause, but same behaviour
10:10:15  * andythenorth was all set to ship a Horse release :D
10:10:16  <andythenorth> oof
10:10:41  <Artea> it comes with Hemp wagon ?
10:10:47  <andythenorth> not yet
10:10:57  <andythenorth> maybe later :P
10:11:16  <peter1138> Bit early for lunch.
10:13:06  <andythenorth> only a bit
10:13:19  <andythenorth> hmm I need to remember how to musa
10:13:28  <andythenorth> also obligations
10:13:32  * andythenorth must to bike time
10:13:58  <peter1138> Bike time tonight.
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10:16:39  <LordAro> peter1138: can confirm
10:16:53  <peter1138> Your bike time too?
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10:18:40  <peter1138> Was that your bike time completed?
10:18:46  <LordAro> peter1138: tonight, i mean
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10:19:01  <LordAro> going up a big hill today
10:26:51  <peter1138> Any thing famous?
10:42:16  <Eddi|zuHause> famous as in Everest, Matterhorn?
10:43:26  <Eddi|zuHause> Eiger north face?
10:44:06  <peter1138> Probably not quite that famous.
10:47:10  <peter1138>
10:47:31  <peter1138> My nearest on that list is no. 23
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11:04:21  <Eddi|zuHause> i'm pretty sure i've never heard of a single of those places
11:10:30  <peter1138> Well it is UK specific.
11:10:37  <peter1138> And hills, not mountains :p
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11:58:05  <LordAro> peter1138: nothing quite so famous, though i do have several of those near me -
11:58:26  <LordAro> i want to do Rosedale Chimney this year
11:58:34  <LordAro> it looks hilarious
11:59:09  <peter1138> Pretty sure I've done that many many years ago as a teenager. By done I mean "pushed the bike up cos it was too steep"
12:01:09  * peter1138 updates his Veloviewer stats.
12:01:52  <peter1138> KOMs: 6. Well that's going down :-(
12:02:11  <LordAro> :(
12:02:17  <LordAro> still, 6 more than me
12:02:25  <peter1138> Hmm, 10,800 miles on my road bike.
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12:04:07  <LordAro> i've got a 7th, apparently
12:06:21  <peter1138> Mine are very mediocre local things, of course :p
12:07:10  <LordAro> so is mine :p
12:08:27  <LordAro> and the KOM is a full 40s faster (over 2.5miles)
12:10:13  <peter1138> Two of my KOMs were due to lucky wind and being behind favourable traffic.
12:11:29  <peter1138> One large mobile crane that blocked the wind, dragged me along, and didn't go fast enough to leave me behind.
12:11:45  <LordAro> hehe
12:12:14  <Eddi|zuHause> what's a KOM?
12:12:46  <peter1138> First place on a segment on Strava. "King of the Mountains" but a bit more generic than actual mountains.
12:13:22  <LordAro> or even hills
12:13:38  <peter1138> Yeah, they can be flat or down hill.
12:13:48  <peter1138> Whatever somebody sets up, heh.
12:14:04  <LordAro> just some segment of road (or not road)
12:14:09  <LordAro> a route
12:14:44  <Eddi|zuHause> so, someone draws a line on a website, and others try to beat them on their time?
12:15:26  <LordAro> more or less, yes
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12:26:07  <FLHerne> I think I'm abouut as far from any of those as it's possible to get in the UK :P
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12:27:00  <FLHerne> At the weekend I reached >100m above sea level for the first time this year, having gone to the other side of the county
12:30:47  <FLHerne> - that far eastern bit of Cambs is a really nice area to ride, especially on a nice sunny evening
12:35:24  <LordAro> i can imagine so
12:35:40  <LordAro> nicely done though, nearly 80 miles is nothing to be sniffed at
12:38:18  <FLHerne> In fairness, I did stop in the middle to ring some church bells
12:39:15  <FLHerne> For some reason I refuse to cycle purely for its own sake, but to get somewhere I wouldn't otherwise go via a circuitous route is fine...
12:39:58  <LordAro> circuitous route for coffee and cake is fine for me :p
12:40:40  <LordAro> to change the subject completely, i came across recently, it might be helpful in "restoring" the generic linux builds
12:41:18  <peter1138> I tend to skip the cake these days, most cafes like to serve ginormous pieces at ginormous prices...
12:42:03  <peter1138> Portable can be restored, it just needs someone to put time into creating the docker images. Same with Ubuntu 19.04.
12:42:20  <peter1138> And as I use Debian, it's not on my itch list.
12:42:47  <LordAro> aue
12:42:48  <LordAro> aye*
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13:32:13  <peter1138> Veloviewer says if I keep up this rate, I'll hit 9000 miles this year, woo.
13:33:34  <andythenorth> I should tank less
13:33:40  <andythenorth> maybe I should start cycling for leisure
13:33:42  <andythenorth> instead of commute
13:33:48  <peter1138> Also, 6th out of 15,301 riders is not too bad.
13:33:58  <andythenorth> regular long-distance cyclists get health benefits
13:34:03  <andythenorth> especially if you're all weather
13:34:03  <peter1138> I commute and also leisure it...
13:34:18  <peter1138> Yeah I benefit from not being 18st any more.
13:34:52  <andythenorth> allegedly
13:36:16  <peter1138> Let's do an audax together!
13:36:57  <peter1138> Oof, Sat 25th May, 400km from Mytholmroyd, West Yorks.
13:36:59  <peter1138> Maybe not :p
13:37:08  <Eddi|zuHause> <FLHerne> At the weekend I reached >100m above sea level for the first time this year, having gone to the other side of the county <-- i'm at 130m and the only way out of the village is up
13:38:01  <FLHerne> Fun
13:38:38  <FLHerne> The only way I could go downhill from here would be to jump in the river
13:38:40  <Eddi|zuHause> one of the main reasons why i haven't been biking in the last, say, 10 years
13:38:50  <andythenorth> it's definitely time for less coding
13:38:54  <andythenorth> and more something-elsing
13:39:27  <andythenorth> Openttd: it's finished now, right? :)
13:39:34  <andythenorth> we won all the prizes?
13:39:44  <peter1138> Just let JGR get on with it.
13:39:51  <peter1138> It's the standard anyway.
13:40:53  <peter1138> 200km from Aylesbury. Well that's local.
13:41:04  <peter1138> And I did it last year, so a bit tedious :/
13:41:56  <peter1138> 200km tour of the lake district. That's gonna have some climbing...
13:42:49  <peter1138> LordAro, Inverness 1200! Let's do it!
13:43:52  <Eddi|zuHause> that sounds fun, can i come? :)
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13:45:28  <planetmaker> we definitely need a new vehicle type: bicycle ;)
13:45:54  <planetmaker> refittable, to 1,2, and maybe 4 people. Or 0.1t of cargo
13:46:19  <peter1138> 100kg? Oof
13:46:22  <nielsm> cargo is measured in 1/8 ton iirc
13:46:30  <planetmaker> ok. 1/8t. That's ok
13:46:31  <andythenorth> elbicycle
13:46:32  <nielsm> or was it 1/16 ton
13:46:43  <andythenorth> can I KOM on my electric bike?
13:46:52  <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker:
13:46:59  <peter1138> Speaking of 1/16, when are we tackling the sub-tile resolution issue? :p
13:47:10  <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause, "bike"
13:47:12  <peter1138> Yeah...
13:47:20  <planetmaker> surely sounds and looks like an euphemism to call it "conference" bike
13:47:27  <planetmaker> and "bike" yeah :P
13:47:51  <Eddi|zuHause> it has peddals and is driven by foot power, how is that not a bike?
13:47:55  <planetmaker> is the more leasure version :P Or more honest
13:48:08  <peter1138> It's a cycle.
13:48:13  <peter1138> But not a bi-cycle.
13:48:25  <peter1138> Therefore, not a bike.
13:48:45  <andythenorth> quadricycle/
13:48:47  <andythenorth> ?
13:48:50  <Eddi|zuHause> ok, that might be a particularly narrow definition that doesn't translate well
13:49:05  <andythenorth> can I have a three-wheeled bike?
13:49:08  <Eddi|zuHause> the german "fahrrad" doesn'T imply two-ness
13:49:09  <peter1138> What did you think the "bi" meant?
13:49:14  <andythenorth> is a bike 1:1 with bicycle?
13:49:15  <peter1138> trike
13:49:27  <peter1138> Is short for tricycle.
13:49:34  <Eddi|zuHause> i think "trike" is already taken for a motorized vehicle
13:49:42  <andythenorth> children have trikes
13:49:51  <peter1138> Only by motorists, and because trikes are less common.
13:49:59  <peter1138> Adult trikes exist...
13:50:11  <andythenorth> I have a three wheeled truck
13:50:13  <peter1138> I still want a recumbent trike but I clearly have no room for one.
13:50:21  <andythenorth> folding trike!
13:50:35  <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause, and "bike" also refers to a two wheeled motorcycle.
13:50:54  <peter1138> andythenorth, yes.
13:51:05  <peter1138>
13:51:31  <Eddi|zuHause> peter1138: it depends how you make assumption about the default understanding, i guess...
13:51:32  <andythenorth> hmm
13:52:35  <LordAro> peter1138: sure :D
13:53:39  <LordAro> peter1138: i watched this the other day
13:59:41  * andythenorth tries to remember how musa works
13:59:47  <andythenorth> probably documented
14:03:58  <andythenorth>
14:04:22  <andythenorth> is redirected to openttd repo on github
14:04:28  <andythenorth> presumably there's another way?
14:09:32  <peter1138> Dunno. I don't know where the bananas source lives either.
14:09:39  <peter1138> Nor where bananas even runs, actually.
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14:10:07  <peter1138> Is it home time yet?
14:14:07  <peter1138> £53 for a bicycle tyre. FML.
14:14:48  <peter1138> Ah, £27, better.
14:18:51  <peter1138> Could go with Marathon Plus just to make my life hard.
14:19:06  <peter1138> (They're 3x the weight of other tyres)
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14:52:15  <FLHerne> Quite happy with my Pro 4 Endurance (v2) as a compromise
14:53:27  <FLHerne> They're a bit heavy and not very compliant compared to lightweight road tyres, but not like the Schwalbe things
14:53:47  <FLHerne> Next time I'll probably go for 25s instead of 23s
15:03:05  <peter1138> 53 might've been a pair.
15:18:54  <nielsm>  wild!
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15:22:35  <Fillipuster> Hello?
15:23:34  <Fillipuster> Having some trouble connecting to a dedicated server running on my local network. I was hoping someone here could be of assistance :)
15:24:03  <LordAro> @topic get 3
15:24:03  <DorpsGek> LordAro: Don't ask to ask, just ask
15:24:07  <LordAro> :)
15:26:13  <Fillipuster> I've set up a dedicated server using docker on a linux machine. The server is seemingly running just fine, but I cannot seem to connect to it via my game client here on my main device.
15:27:25  <nielsm> can you ping between the machines?
15:29:38  <planetmaker> is it advertizing? are the ports open and routed?
15:29:41  <planetmaker> @ports
15:29:41  <DorpsGek> planetmaker: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication, UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound), and TCP port 3978 for content service, a.k.a. BaNaNaS (outbound)
15:30:00  <planetmaker> (or whatever you configured in your config file for the server)
15:30:27  <planetmaker> 3978 is not configurable ofc
15:30:52  <planetmaker> make sure both, the OS as well as any routers allow these ports also for *incoming*
15:32:38  <andythenorth> wait what
15:32:44  <andythenorth> there is only one tyre in the world
15:32:51  <andythenorth> and it seems they've discontinued it :(
15:32:51  <andythenorth>
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15:32:58  <andythenorth> the ultimate tyre
15:33:17  <andythenorth> that shop has old stock, continental no longer make it
15:37:21  <andythenorth> should I file a ticket for bananas?
15:37:28  <andythenorth> or can I just re-open the previous issue?
15:37:49  * andythenorth thinks re-open
15:37:53  <andythenorth> it's just an ops thing
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15:39:24  <spnda> Does BaNaNaS not work again?
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15:40:30  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth commented on issue #6940: Bananas - unhandled exception when updating grf
15:40:37  <andythenorth> doesn't work for upload
15:40:39  <andythenorth> to be specific
15:42:30  <andythenorth> fuck me, when did I last use svn
15:42:37  * andythenorth has to look up how that works
15:42:46  <andythenorth> musa is now svn-only
15:43:19  <Fillipuster> @planetmaker I have opened up my ports. I've been running a non-dedicated server using the same port setup without any problems previously.
15:43:38  <Fillipuster> Now that I've moved it to my server instead of my main machine (updating the referenced IP of course), it seems to break.
15:44:02  <Fillipuster> To clearify: Even a local LAN connection doesn't seem possible, so maybe it isn't the ports? :/
15:44:04  <andythenorth> ok so musa is gone?
15:44:46  <andythenorth> nope I was doing svn wrong
15:45:57  <rubenwardy> using svn is doing svn wrong
15:47:47  <andythenorth> thanks :)
15:48:08  <andythenorth> that repays all the useless comments I make here ;)
15:49:54  <andythenorth> ok so musa is python2 and my projects are all now python3
15:49:57  <andythenorth> yum
15:50:36  <andythenorth> wonder if 2to3 works
15:50:53  <andythenorth> and how we get it out of an old svn repo, and onto GH
15:53:37  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] spnda commented on issue #6940: Bananas - unhandled exception when updating grf
15:54:06  <Sacro> \o/
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16:00:54  <andythenorth> spnda: thanks, I wonder if the problem is with my grf
16:01:12  <andythenorth> no easy way to test though
16:01:37  <spnda> I could try
16:01:42  <spnda> But I have nothing to update
16:05:53  <Fillipuster> Ah, I found the problem. For people running a server using a Synology NAS server + Docker: remember to inherit the network settings when creating the docker container. Otherwise the ports wont carry over.
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16:07:34  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nikolas updated pull request #7086: Change #6173: Update SDL driver to use SDL 2.0
16:41:36  <peter1138> I chocolated.
16:41:48  <andythenorth> me too
16:41:59  <andythenorth> now regret
16:42:11  <peter1138> I was only at 900 kcal, no worries for me.
16:42:19  <peter1138> Got a MTB ride to do.
16:42:41  <Arveen> could eat more while riding it
16:42:55  <peter1138> Mmmm, no.
16:43:54  <Arveen> meanwhile i can let my hands off this can with Macadamia nuts
16:44:28  <peter1138> Moreish
16:44:43  <peter1138> At least nuts are healthy, chocolate is just... sugar.
16:45:31  <Arveen> well, they are honey coated and salted
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16:46:05  <Arveen>  but no chocolate heh
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16:50:27  <Eddi|zuHause> i never regret chocolate
17:04:57  <Eddi|zuHause> a propos...
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17:07:04  <andythenorth> biomass hoppers then? o_O
17:07:20  <andythenorth> don't have any biomass cargo, but  eh,  details :P
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17:14:16  <Wolf01> o/
17:16:46  <peter1138> Now I have pitted prunes, yay. But no custard :(
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17:31:18  <Samu> WmDOT vs DumbAI on Toyland... hah!
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17:52:22  <andythenorth> V453000: yeah
17:52:34  <andythenorth> I literally nearly added to the post 'sorry no lolz'
17:52:40  <andythenorth> It's Very Serious
17:56:33  <V453000> arr
18:02:20  <Wolf01> So, where does firefox downloads the updates?
18:04:11  <andythenorth> frosch123: quak, do we have any logs for bananas?
18:04:13  <andythenorth>
18:04:16  <andythenorth> :)
18:06:58  <andythenorth> V453000: I think the lolz is having insane number of wagon types
18:09:22  <andythenorth> 23 so far
18:09:38  <andythenorth> moar
18:09:38  <spnda> andythenorth actually do you know what, might be because of V453000s NewGRF. It's really big if I remember correctly. Like massive
18:09:52  <andythenorth> V453000 broke bananas? o_O
18:09:59  <spnda> TrueBrain said it's sometimes due to big uploads in earlier messages
18:10:28  <spnda> "rarely all, often some, mostly when they did something weird (UTF-8 character, big upload, ..."
18:10:49  <andythenorth> I interpret that as 'the file that's failing is big' :)
18:11:01  <frosch123> nuts is not that big
18:17:37  <andythenorth> Horse is 15.3MB now
18:17:41  <andythenorth> is that too big for Bananas 1?
18:21:47  <frosch123> did you try iron horse, today 10:09 ?
18:21:57  <nielsm> aren't aBase or zBase something like 200 MB ?
18:22:40  <andythenorth> frosch123: allowing for timezone offset, yes that looks correct
18:27:00  <V453000> NUTS is 50MB uncompressed, 33 compressed
18:28:29  <frosch123> andy uploaded 3.6 MB
18:28:33  <frosch123> i doubt it's the size :p
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18:29:35  <andythenorth> the tar file is 15.3MB
18:29:44  <andythenorth> so is the upload getting truncated?
18:29:50  <frosch123> yes, then that'ts the case
18:29:56  <frosch123> i tried to extrac thte upload
18:30:01  <frosch123> and tar says eof
18:30:38  <Wolf01> Ok, after reinstalling it twice, both times with the setting on "never check updates" and deleting the updater exe it stopped to ask to install the update
18:30:58  <andythenorth> I tried switching browser, same result
18:31:03  * andythenorth wonders if the tar is broken
18:32:10  <frosch123> are you trying again?
18:32:28  <andythenorth> I just did
18:32:35  <andythenorth> tar _seems_ ok
18:32:56  <frosch123> 15298560 bytes?
18:33:48  <andythenorth> yup
18:37:06  <frosch123> can you please try again
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18:41:06  <Wolf01> Wtf, it's still disabling the exstensions
18:41:43  <andythenorth> frosch123: yup just triggered another failure :)
18:42:15  <frosch123> a different one?
18:42:46  <frosch123> hmm, so the upload was complete
18:44:48  <Wolf01> Beta branch with xpinstall.signature.required set to false... not working
18:51:48  <frosch123> well, either the logging is broken, or there is no logging
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18:57:45  <andythenorth> oof :)
18:57:59  <andythenorth> I started down the musa alternative :)
18:58:11  <andythenorth> I now have the svn checkout of musa :P
19:04:07  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on issue #6940: Bananas - unhandled exception when updating grf
19:05:49  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth commented on issue #6940: Bananas - unhandled exception when updating grf
19:07:16  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on issue #6940: Bananas - unhandled exception when updating grf
19:12:00  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth commented on issue #6940: Bananas - unhandled exception when updating grf
19:15:20  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 updated pull request #7591: Fix #7590: decrement allocated_size in ScriptAllocator::Free()
19:15:21  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 dismissed a review for pull request #7591: Fix #7590: decrement allocated_size in ScriptAllocator::Free()
19:18:21  <andythenorth> python2 ../../tools/musa/ -c musa.ini -u openttdcoop -p PASSWORD iron-horse-2.0.0-alpha-9.tar
19:18:27  <andythenorth> no ['.grf'] file
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19:18:56  <andythenorth> I guess I read rthe source :P
19:20:42  <andythenorth> the following files remained unpackaged:
19:20:42  <andythenorth>  - /iron-horse-2.0.0-alpha-9/iron-horse-2.0.0-alpha-9/license.txt
19:20:43  <andythenorth> unpackagable files in directory
19:22:18  <andythenorth> is there a latency when using musa?
19:22:25  <andythenorth> metadata validated at server side
19:22:26  <andythenorth> uploaded 1253695 bytes of 1253695 bytes (100%)
19:22:52  <andythenorth> no update appearing in bananas web interface
19:29:15  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth commented on issue #6940: Bananas - unhandled exception when updating grf
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19:45:03  <frosch123> IntegrityError: (1062, "Duplicate entry 'Iron_Horse_2-2.0.0Alpha9' for key 'filename'")
19:45:39  <frosch123> so, database is broken from previous attempts
19:46:47  <V453000> :0
19:46:49  <V453000> horses overbred
19:48:55  <andythenorth> oof
19:54:34  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc approved pull request #7591: Fix #7590: decrement allocated_size in ScriptAllocator::Free()
20:00:00  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 merged pull request #7591: Fix #7590: decrement allocated_size in ScriptAllocator::Free()
20:00:09  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 closed issue #7590: If you change the game mode 9 times in succession, then the game crashes on the ninth attempt.
20:04:43  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] frosch123 commented on issue #6940: Bananas - unhandled exception when updating grf
20:05:53  <frosch123> andythenorth: btw. your musa.ini contains a silly URL
20:07:12  <andythenorth> oh yes
20:07:20  <andythenorth> my keyboard doesn't work properly
20:07:25  <andythenorth> so paste doesn't work
20:07:28  <andythenorth> Apple quality
20:08:11  <andythenorth> fixed
20:18:54  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on issue #6940: Bananas - unhandled exception when updating grf
20:19:23  <nielsm> HI TB
20:28:27  <andythenorth>
20:28:29  <andythenorth> 9a has gone in
20:28:55  <frosch123> :p
20:29:30  <andythenorth> TB suggested 10, but that messes up changelogs etc
20:34:53  <Eddi|zuHause> alpha9-hotfix1
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20:39:58  <andythenorth> -final-final
20:47:28  <Eddi|zuHause> -real-proper-dirfix
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20:50:32  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth commented on issue #6940: Bananas - unhandled exception when updating grf
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20:56:40  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on issue #6940: Bananas - unhandled exception when updating grf
20:56:41  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain closed issue #6940: Bananas - unhandled exception when updating grf
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21:15:53  <peter1138> Well that was a thing
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21:19:14  <LordAro> peter1138: me too
21:23:47  <peter1138> And just drank half a protein shake (25g protein!) along with eaten soft figs and some raisins. Oh the sugars...
21:24:19  <Eddi|zuHause> you drank soft figs that were already eaten?
21:24:51  <Eddi|zuHause> (these modern diet things get weirder and weirder)
21:26:14  <peter1138> Yeah I grammared that badly.
21:26:41  <peter1138> 185 bpm, nice.
21:27:44  <peter1138> Last time I reached my max heart rate I felt quite sick for a couple of minutes. But since getting really slim my heart rate doesn't go up as much any more.
21:28:47  <LordAro> i got some nettle stings from when i collapsed in a heap at the top
21:29:12  <peter1138> Oof.
21:29:16  <peter1138> I've not done that.
21:29:27  <peter1138> I hit 193 bpm once iirc.
21:29:35  <peter1138> Which was somewhat excessive at my age :p
21:29:52  <LordAro> in theory my max heart rate should be somewhere above 190, but i've not got there yet :)
21:30:04  <LordAro> still, above 180 at all is new this year
21:30:22  <peter1138> Ah no, a mere 190 bpm.
21:30:55  <peter1138> I think it's 'easier' to reach if you're overweight, as the heart has to work harder than your legs.
21:31:14  <peter1138> Now I'm slimmer I find my legs give out sooner.
21:31:22  <LordAro> makes sense
21:31:25  <peter1138> Well, legs & lunchs.
21:31:26  <peter1138> ...
21:31:27  <peter1138> LUNGS
21:31:45  <LordAro> clearly you miss the cafe stops :p
21:31:46  <peter1138> I've got some rides where it says 229, but that was a faulty sensor :p
21:31:56  <peter1138> No cafe stops on a Wednesday night.
21:32:02  <peter1138> No cafes in the middle of the woods :p
21:32:08  <LordAro> well no, they wouldn't be lunches :p
21:32:33  <LordAro> i've had a few recordings above 200 before, i edit them out
21:32:36  <peter1138> Hmm. we never had lunches, only elevenses (i.e. cake & coffee)
21:32:45  <LordAro> well, sortoflunches
21:32:56  <peter1138> I'm tempted to get a power meter.
21:33:17  <LordAro> i was idly looking at them the other day, which sort were you looking at?
21:34:27  <Eddi|zuHause> i tend to try to stay below 130...
21:34:32  <peter1138> Haven't looked recently. The left-crank-only option seems the cheapest.
21:34:47  <peter1138> Staying below 130 is... not useful for exercising.
21:34:47  <Eddi|zuHause> that sounds like a way more sustainable rate :p
21:35:17  <peter1138> Although my average used to be 150-160 when I was heavier.
21:35:27  <Eddi|zuHause> i have this booklet that says going beyond that is a bad idea
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21:35:49  <peter1138> My normal average now is 120-130.
21:35:58  <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause, it's not.
21:36:05  <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause, if you're not exercising it's bad, of course.
21:36:34  <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not exercising nearly enough
21:36:54  <Eddi|zuHause> also, i need to procure some WD40
21:37:15  <Eddi|zuHause> and some R3 (AAA) batteries
21:41:12  <peter1138> I remember when I first started commuting on the bike, about 4 years ago now. 3 miles. Worn out shattered sweaty wreck.
21:41:59  <peter1138> Only took a couple of weeks to fix that to merely sweaty.
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21:55:38  <peter1138> Right, I'm going to shower and then go to bed before I get the urge to continue eating all the things.
22:35:45  <Eddi|zuHause> unfortunately i'm not in a place where bike commute is feasible
22:36:58  <Eddi|zuHause> something like 25km to any place i would reasonably work at
22:37:11  <supermop_work> currently commuting by bike would likely take longer than walking
23:27:53  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] stale[bot] commented on pull request #7515: Fix: Really check for start_date once an AI company slot becomes available.
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