Log for #openttd on 21st May 2019:
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02:39:50  <Corns[m]> Is there a function to check whether a bridge head will be flat or sloped? Given a tileindex and direction
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02:58:57  <Eddi|zuHause> that sounds like code that should exist, whether it's a separate function i don't know
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06:42:29  <andythenorth> moin
06:48:44  * andythenorth in Azure
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10:15:55  <andythenorth> planetmaker: so Azure Pipelines has release & deploy tools
10:16:11  <andythenorth> I can sftp to a location, and there appears to be a way to store creds
10:16:19  <andythenorth> or I can ssh something (but sftp seems safer)
10:16:29  * andythenorth might make a diagram :P
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13:08:14  <Eddi|zuHause> should i give civ4 another try? maybe i should tick off this button for extreme barbarians, but that just means i'll get overrun by the first AI to declare war
13:09:34  <peter1138> Maybe I should play Civ 5 some day.
13:09:38  <Eddi|zuHause> also what i always found wrong about civ4's longer game options is that it makes it hard to react by building more units, because they take longer to build in relation to how far the opponents can travel
13:10:02  <peter1138> I guess you need to preemptively build them?
13:10:22  <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, i'm traditionally poor at that part :p
13:13:37  <LordAro> i never played much civ4
13:13:43  <LordAro> 2,3 & 5 were my jam
13:13:58  <peter1138> From where I heard, 4 was pretty poor.
13:14:09  <peter1138> I played mostly the first one, and a bit of 2.
13:14:13  <peter1138> Not much of 3 or 5.
13:16:22  * andythenorth never played Civ
13:16:29  * andythenorth hoping for Warcraft 1 revival
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13:36:46  <supermop_work> yo
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13:39:51  <supermop_work> andythenorth: nrt hog?
13:43:12  <andythenorth> I want to finish a Horse 2.0.0 beta
13:43:14  <andythenorth> then Hog
13:44:03  <andythenorth> I have 17 steam engines to draw, then I can ship 2.0.0 beta
13:44:17  <andythenorth> I have drawn 292 trains already, so 17 should be nothing :P
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13:50:40  <planetmaker> ship ships? :P
13:51:13  <andythenorth> :P
14:10:32  <supermop_work> how many times are you planning on re-drawing each of those?
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14:12:31  <andythenorth> the steam trains?
14:12:39  <andythenorth> probably draw them twice
14:12:45  <andythenorth> once for JFDI
14:12:53  <andythenorth> and then once again after I've learnt to draw trains
14:28:03  <peter1138> Should I buy some Lego games? (Humble Bundle)
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14:34:27  <andythenorth> do you like Lego, and games? o_O
14:34:54  <peter1138> Not really.
14:34:57  <peter1138> (Kinda)
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14:53:30  <supermop_work> has anyone used mop RVs lately?
14:53:54  <supermop_work> what do they need? other than fewer RVs?
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15:04:02  <Artea> andythenorth hoping for Warcraft 1 revival
15:04:04  <Artea> GoG
15:04:14  <Artea> is there
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15:04:20  <Artea> Warcraft 1 & 2
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15:04:57  <Artea> also Diablo 1
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15:18:55  <peter1138> They're not exactly revivals though.
15:23:28  <andythenorth> I wanted the original 'my liege' WC 1
15:24:05  <Eddi|zuHause> i think i had WC1, but never played it
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15:54:20  <Samu> round 24 complete
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16:19:17  <Samu> 23 rounds to go
16:19:19  <Samu> yay
16:19:37  <Samu> I'm just at half of the tournament
16:19:38  <Samu> t.t
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17:02:56  <Wolf01> o/
17:03:46  <Wolf01> Hmmm I'm not yet used to the fact that now irc connect superfast instead of 20 seconds of the provider's modem
17:35:17  <Arveen> maybe someone can set up an BBS for you with this channel
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17:38:40  <andythenorth> so
17:38:43  <andythenorth>
17:39:13  <andythenorth> I could have a newgrf pipeline create an sftp instance on Azure, use that to move the artifacts to permanent Azure storage
17:39:39  <andythenorth> I wonder if AP can publish directly to Azure storage though?
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17:41:36  <andythenorth>
17:41:45  <andythenorth> has anyone besides Truebrain used Azure?
17:57:37  * andythenorth tries to understand Azure, but it's fairly overwhelming
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18:18:18  <andythenorth> has anyone got an sftp server they'd be prepared to give me an account on?
18:18:24  <andythenorth> for testing Azure deploys
18:18:37  <andythenorth> I can apparently buy one on Azure but NFI which button I click to do that
18:26:33  <Eddi|zuHause> you could just run one on your local machine?
18:27:14  <Eddi|zuHause> (assuming proper port forwarding)
18:27:16  <andythenorth> I could run one on my wife's laptop :P
18:27:25  <Eddi|zuHause> just start sshd
18:27:30  <andythenorth> against policy
18:27:36  <andythenorth> but yes
18:40:45  <andythenorth> it's amusing that cloud has come so far
18:41:00  <andythenorth> that it's now easier to host newgrfs on my laptop, over my broadband connection
18:41:06  <andythenorth> 20 years, full circle
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19:06:15  <glx> andythenorth: you don't have an sftp on openttdcoop ?
19:06:26  <andythenorth>  I don't know
19:06:31  <andythenorth> I never asked for one
19:06:49  <andythenorth> I deliberately don't have ssh
19:22:46  <andythenorth> planetmaker: can I have sftp on openttdcoop? :)
19:25:41  <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: isn't that exactly what he offered last time he said something?
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19:29:54  <andythenorth> ssh and sftp are still different, right?
19:30:05  <Eddi|zuHause> not really
19:31:33  <andythenorth> oh
19:31:43  <andythenorth> so how is sftp secured?
19:32:05  <glx> via ssh
19:32:06  <Eddi|zuHause> it's basically just an ssh connection, focused on file transfer instead of remote control
19:32:52  <LordAro> it just invokes a different "shell" on the other end, basically
19:32:56  <LordAro> otherwise identical
19:33:08  <LordAro> are you confusing ftps & sftp ?
19:33:13  <andythenorth> I'm curious how it works
19:33:18  <andythenorth> I read about it before asking
19:33:39  <LordAro> ftps is ftp + ssl, sftp is ssh + ftp
19:33:39  <andythenorth> I have had sftp to remote boxes without knowing I had shell access
19:33:51  <andythenorth> why have sftp at all?
19:33:52  <LordAro> it's quite likely you didn't, you can restrict it
19:33:57  <andythenorth> why not just scp?
19:34:05  <glx> scp is pure ssh
19:34:48  <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: it's the same login process, but can be subject to different server rights
19:34:50  <andythenorth> so if I give azure coop ssh creds, we have a new vuln?
19:35:19  <glx> usually you only use a key
19:35:22  <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: if you put anything in "the cloud", you have a giant vuln
19:35:41  <andythenorth> there are degrees of risk
19:35:49  <andythenorth> it's not practical to say all cloud = game over
19:35:55  <andythenorth> we save that for Intel CPUs
19:35:57  <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: theoretically you'd create a new user on the server, that only has very limited rights
19:36:00  <glx> and you can restrict access to the user of this key
19:36:27  <andythenorth> right, so AIUI, I can sftp for upload / download
19:36:35  <andythenorth> but I wouldn't be able to get a shell on the machine?
19:36:36  <Eddi|zuHause> that user's key will be uploaded to "the cloud", and used for nothing else
19:36:52  <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: if set up properly
19:37:02  <andythenorth> so sftp doesn't give me a shell
19:37:53  <andythenorth> if coop is set up properly
19:37:56  <andythenorth> so do I want ssh or sftp?
19:38:29  <glx> you don't want ssh if you don't trust the user :)
19:38:35  <glx> but sftp should be ok
19:38:53  <andythenorth> we don't trust the users, neither me, nor azure
19:38:59  <andythenorth> nor people who might push PRs
19:40:06  <andythenorth> hmm I could sftp to S3
19:40:36  <Eddi|zuHause> you can sftp to a graphics card manufacturer from 20 years ago?
19:40:47  <glx> s3 is amazon
19:41:04  <glx> IIRC
19:41:08  <andythenorth> I'm worried about bill shock :P
19:41:48  <andythenorth> if I give Azure S3 creds on my account
19:42:44  <andythenorth> I pay the S3 bill if anyone manages to access the creds
19:42:48  <andythenorth> and abuse them
19:42:54  <andythenorth> 'cloud is awful'
19:42:55  <andythenorth> :P
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20:17:12  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] James103 commented on issue #6322: AI can allocate more memory than the system has, crashing the game
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20:31:51  <Samu> EmotionAI beats SimpleAI
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20:34:00  <andythenorth> deployed from azure devops build of github FIRS
20:34:11  <andythenorth> it's really horrible, a lot of clicking buttons in bad UIs
20:34:51  <andythenorth> what's worse, running a server, or clicking endless buttons?
20:35:04  <andythenorth> the buttons are confusing, and everything has a security implication
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20:40:51  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on issue #6322: AI can allocate more memory than the system has, crashing the game
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20:46:25  <andythenorth> "You have provided public access to this bucket. We highly recommend that you never grant any kind of public access to your S3 bucket."
20:46:43  <andythenorth> is the result of following the instructions here
20:46:48  <andythenorth> I love this shit :(
20:47:57  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on issue #7599: UI zoom appearance problems relative to 1.9.1
20:57:52  <andythenorth> ha ha web publishing :D
20:57:53  <andythenorth>
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20:58:06  <andythenorth> it was making me so sad not being able to do that
20:58:14  <andythenorth> "get a grip andythenorth" :P
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21:01:14  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 commented on issue #6322: AI can allocate more memory than the system has, crashing the game
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21:15:23  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on issue #6322: AI can allocate more memory than the system has, crashing the game
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21:22:09  <Hazzard> Is there a way to connect to an openttd server as a client but headless?
21:22:18  <Hazzard> for doing integration testing of soap/suds
21:24:32  <Hazzard> hmm looks possible
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21:26:41  <andythenorth> "This policy contains invalid Json"
21:26:52  <andythenorth> yeah, I copied it from AWS docs
21:26:56  <andythenorth> AWS is made of lulz
21:35:01  <andythenorth> oops bedtime
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