Log for #openttd on 4th August 2019:
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06:34:36  <andythenorth> o/
06:44:16  * andythenorth experimenting with Instruments
06:44:25  <andythenorth> not sure what I'm  doing, but I have a lot of charts :P
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06:48:36  <Samu> wwow Beerbelott so much text for 5 lines
06:48:41  <Samu> 4
06:50:18  <Beerbelott> Well it's because that's because this small change gets a foot in the door... it needs more changes, whatever is decided
06:51:08  <Beerbelott> and in the past some "obvious" small changes took me a lot of time to explain/format correctly...
06:52:56  <Samu> oh, you're alive, I thought everybody was sleeping
06:53:32  <Beerbelott> Haven't slept yet
06:54:58  <Samu> eh, wiki articles
06:55:02  <Samu> they're usually outdated
06:56:23  <andythenorth> :x
06:56:52  <andythenorth> when I want to run a profiler, I can't get OpenTTD to dump frame rate to 16fps
06:57:08  <andythenorth> but if it's not being profiled, it will do it trivially :P
06:57:24  <andythenorth> there's a lesson in that somewhere :P
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07:05:18  <Samu> i'm not sure how libraries work, "it just works"
07:07:13  <Samu> i tick the AIs i want to download, and that's it, it auto-selects needed libraries
07:07:22  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on pull request #7666: Add: [Win32] Select MIDI device by port name
07:08:19  <Samu> their exact version needed are downloaded
07:10:53  <andythenorth> if OpenTTD performance is wildly variable for no obvious reason, and no reproducible trigger
07:11:03  <andythenorth> is the logical conclusion that the problem is my system?
07:14:13  <nielsm> the profiler might affect how certain system timers are handled and that might cause the problem to disappear or change character
07:14:43  <nielsm> (that would match with my suspicion that the issue is not caused by anything actually being slow, but rather by some timers or delays being wrong)
07:15:57  <Samu> high precision event timer?
07:16:17  <andythenorth> the problem isn't reproducible even with the profiler off
07:16:42  <andythenorth> I was going to bisect for performance, as 1.9.1 does  not exhibit the issue to the same extent as master afaict
07:16:52  <andythenorth> but I can't bisect without a repro :P
07:18:18  <andythenorth> this is me
07:20:21  <Samu> x86 versions of Mac OS X.
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07:20:28  <Samu> what did I just read?
07:29:03  <andythenorth> ??
07:29:34  <Beerbelott> Samu: I don't think the WIki is outdated on the matter I quoted. The Squirrel import function seems to work the way it's documented. and the code just ignores script versions anyway
07:29:45  <Beerbelott> Both are a problem, one way or the other
07:30:34  <Beerbelott> My quick & dirty fix makes the current, illogical "upgrade" mechanism almost useless (as I don't think a script w/ same name & version ever changes MD5 signature
07:31:07  <Beerbelott> brb
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07:40:59  <peter1139> I don't know, what did you just read?
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08:14:14  <Samu> libraries don't update the same manner as AIs
08:15:10  <Samu> but I don't know
08:17:35  <Samu>
08:17:41  <Samu> nevermind, I don't know at all
08:20:10  <Samu> new version of a library make the previous version to be hidden from content download
08:20:23  <Samu> but that doesn't force an upgrade
08:20:32  <Samu> when downloading AIs
08:24:09  <Samu> looks like I'm confused
08:24:52  <Samu> inside openttd it lists Pathfinder.Road version 3 and 4
08:26:23  <Samu> on the website, it only lists version 4
08:26:35  <Samu>
08:37:28  <andythenorth> ha ha smoke
08:37:43  * andythenorth back to YT
08:38:09  <Samu> i found a problem with my AI
08:38:37  <Samu> when reliability of available engines is too low to be considered
08:38:52  <Samu> it shouldn't bother searching for a route
08:39:21  <Samu> or
08:39:44  <Samu> it should pick the most reliable, even though they both suck
08:39:56  <Samu> after all, they're still available...
08:42:10  <Samu> the transition between tricario helicopter and guru x2 helicopter, reliability period of both engines are below 75%
08:42:55  <Samu> there's a small phase my AI becomes dumb, it builds the heliports and then doesn't build the aircraft
08:43:04  <Samu> then demolishes heliports
08:43:04  <Beerbelott> Samu:  If you look at the code, you will see AI & AILibrary are handled the same when compared one to each other
08:43:08  <Samu> and keeps repeatin
08:44:35  <Beerbelott> Well, time for me to have some sleep
08:44:41  <Beerbelott> beuhbye
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08:49:43  <Samu> I need to rewrite the reliability checks
08:52:12  <Samu> maybe I should include it in the estimated income, instead of outright removing them
08:52:19  <Samu> engines<
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10:33:30  <Samu> hmm ai is replacing all darwin 600 with airtaxi a21
10:33:51  <Samu> better reliability on airtaxi, same passenger capacity
10:34:15  <Samu> i think i like this change
10:38:45  <Samu> uhm... weird reliabilities
10:38:50  <Samu> all models have 78%
10:39:02  <Samu> no variance, is this intended? looks bugged
10:39:28  <Samu> only those models that are being retired have lower values
10:41:35  <andythenorth> breakdowns off?
10:42:18  <Samu> no
10:42:47  <Samu> 8 aircraft models have 78%
10:43:19  <Samu> 3 have 77%
10:43:33  <Samu> 2 have 76%
10:44:28  <Samu> then 1 of each: 63%, 55%, 47%, 47%, 42%, 40% all of these being retired soon
10:45:01  <Samu> i find these values a bit strange
10:45:44  <Samu> there's nothing better than 78%
10:46:59  <Samu> those 2 that were 76%, are now 75%, they're being retired too
10:49:16  <Samu> heh, speaking of airtaxi a21, it's being retired too
10:49:26  <Samu> already replacing back to darwin 600
10:49:42  <Samu> AI is being too sensible now :o
10:50:25  <Samu> sensitive*
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11:51:30  <andythenorth> quak
11:52:50  <frosch123> moo
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13:07:07  <Samu> when my ai does better with mail than with pass, something's wrong
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13:36:32  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on pull request #7658: Add: 'getsysdate' console command
14:18:18  <peter1139> Alright, white chocolate and cookie magnums are nice...
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14:31:24  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 commented on pull request #7658: Add: 'getsysdate' console command
14:31:45  <Eddi|zuHause> magnum as in the ice on a stick?
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14:39:00  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc commented on pull request #7658: Add: 'getsysdate' console command
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15:30:13  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] telk5093 updated pull request #7658: Add: 'getsysdate' console command
15:30:55  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] telk5093 commented on pull request #7658: Add: 'getsysdate' console command
15:31:07  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] telk5093 commented on pull request #7658: Add: 'getsysdate' console command
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16:09:33  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro approved pull request #7658: Add: 'getsysdate' console command
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16:18:54  <peter1139> Bah, no ninjam packages
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17:43:49  <Samu> I think I understand town effects now
17:45:22  <Samu> AITown.GetCargoGoal
17:45:33  <Samu> really tricky to understand
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18:35:59  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh merged pull request #7658: Add: 'getsysdate' console command
18:44:12  <andythenorth> yo
18:45:15  <Eddi|zuHause> hm, i tried timing a crossing light to make it flow better, but i don't think it worked... :/
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19:33:33  <Eddi|zuHause> ok, that did not work... :/
19:34:28  <Eddi|zuHause> i need a road with more lanes, but there aren't any with this tram track configuration :/
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21:13:50  <Samu> milek7: hi
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23:50:29  <Eddi|zuHause> "Free swap  = 0kB" ... why? what is cities skylines using all this memory for?

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