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<andythenorth> Hurrah! https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=71219&p=1225047#p1225047 11:31:27 <andythenorth> no pictures, oops 11:33:01 <Arveen2> woohooo 11:37:56 <andythenorth> :) 11:58:43 <Arveen2> looks very nice 12:06:08 <andythenorth> thanks 12:42:29 *** Etua has quit IRC 13:04:21 <andythenorth> pls send lunch? 13:15:09 *** m1cr0m4n has joined #openttd 13:19:02 *** supermop_work has joined #openttd 13:19:51 *** m1cr0man has quit IRC 13:42:14 *** nielsm has joined #openttd 13:51:58 *** Etua has joined #openttd 14:27:05 *** Samu has joined #openttd 15:00:47 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 15:01:24 *** Etua has quit IRC 15:04:03 *** HerzogDeXtEr has joined #openttd 15:08:43 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 has joined #openttd 15:14:21 *** HerzogDeXtEr has quit IRC 15:17:50 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 15:29:11 *** Samu has quit IRC 15:46:30 *** arikover has joined #openttd 15:54:19 *** Flygon has quit IRC 16:15:16 *** tokai has joined #openttd 16:15:16 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai 16:22:13 *** tokai|noir has quit IRC 17:28:04 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 17:34:01 <supermop_work> hello Wolf01 17:34:23 <Wolf01> Hello Spank! 17:36:48 *** Samu has joined #openttd 17:36:55 *** Progman has joined #openttd 17:44:18 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 17:45:05 <Wolf01> Meh, I can't fit everything on a single monitor 17:46:34 <Wolf01> Also V453000 you could at least keep the 0.17.55 since it was the last one before the oil change... now we have to fix the production :P 17:46:52 <Wolf01> We were waiting for the stable to start a new map 17:51:45 <andythenorth> these torpedo wagons travel quite fast? https://youtu.be/X63JETQEPrA?t=223 18:14:08 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: hard to judge from the video. maybe 80km/h? 18:15:00 <andythenorth> faster than I expected :) 18:16:14 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 18:18:50 <Wolf01> Also... are they empty? 18:19:03 <andythenorth> probably 18:20:49 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 18:23:37 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 18:40:42 *** Thedarkb has joined #openttd 18:56:51 *** glx has joined #openttd 18:56:53 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v glx 19:17:37 <supermop_work> big night in westminster andythenorth ? 19:17:44 <andythenorth> am watching it 19:17:46 <andythenorth> mostly hot air 19:21:59 *** tycoondemon has joined #openttd 19:26:06 <Eddi|zuHause> how is that different from all the other times? 19:28:37 <glx> seems to be worse this time 19:30:22 <supermop_work> Eddi|zuHause: this time they've put off three years worth of discussion until tonight i guess 19:31:08 <andythenorth> no we definitely discussed most of this before :P 19:31:14 <andythenorth> most of it 19:31:23 <supermop_work> discussed but didn't decide anything? 19:32:03 *** nielsm has quit IRC 19:34:27 *** Lejving_ has quit IRC 19:34:46 <andythenorth> nothing is decided 19:34:57 <andythenorth> but I released Horse 2.0.0 so that's a thing 19:35:13 <supermop_work> not confident anything will be decided this week either 19:35:50 <andythenorth> I am confident Horse 3.0.0 won't be done this week 19:35:54 <andythenorth> certainty 19:36:12 <supermop_work> haha "Parliament decides what to do about Brexit" vs. "Andy decides a Grf is done and fit to be released" 19:36:27 <supermop_work> not sure i expected the latter before the former 19:36:45 <glx> nothing will be decided before 31/10 19:38:21 <andythenorth> 2.0.1 next? o_O 19:38:31 <andythenorth> I've already made commits 19:38:43 * andythenorth wonders if bundles server can be fixed 19:57:13 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 19:57:34 *** gelignite has quit IRC 20:17:48 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 20:18:14 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 20:18:41 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 20:23:06 <Eddi|zuHause> the one that is really outdated and needs to be replaced and migrated? 20:26:45 <andythenorth> that one yes 20:57:05 *** Etua has joined #openttd 20:58:24 <andythenorth> :o 20:58:34 <andythenorth> France actually has 125mph freight trains 20:58:40 <andythenorth> only one route, but eh 20:59:47 <andythenorth> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWXDSb6U5P0 21:02:04 *** ghj0sh has joined #openttd 21:02:52 <Etua> Funny to see freight train that is faster than passenger trains in some countries. 21:06:43 *** nnyby has quit IRC 21:06:43 *** supermop_Home_ has quit IRC 21:06:43 *** y2kboy23 has quit IRC 21:06:53 *** nnyby has joined #openttd 21:07:04 *** y2kboy23 has joined #openttd 21:07:57 *** Progman has quit IRC 21:10:40 *** ad5twoknebor[m] has quit IRC 21:12:16 <glx> andythenorth: but the french rail infrastructure is mostly unmaintained, with a lot of speed limits caused by lack of maintenance 21:12:29 <glx> except on TGV lines 21:13:02 * andythenorth went to France some time ago 21:13:09 <andythenorth> lot of train track 21:13:20 <andythenorth> a lot more than the UK at the time 21:14:59 <glx> in many places they replace trains with bus 21:18:01 *** Samu has quit IRC 21:38:29 * andythenorth replaces 'awake' with 'asleep' :) 21:38:30 *** andythenorth has left #openttd 21:38:40 *** ghj0sh has quit IRC 21:40:57 <Eddi|zuHause> <glx> andythenorth: but the french rail infrastructure is mostly unmaintained, with a lot of speed limits caused by lack of maintenance <-- germany has a maintenance problem as well. basically, the german railway (which is "private", but 100% owned by the government) has to pay for maintenance itself, unless they neglect it so much that it has to be rebuilt from scratch, then the government must pay for it 21:41:30 <Eddi|zuHause> so they're not exactly intensvised to maintain... 21:41:47 <Eddi|zuHause> incentivised 21:41:54 <glx> it's not "private" yet here 21:42:00 <glx> except for fret 21:42:09 <glx> *freight 21:42:35 <Eddi|zuHause> railway privatisation was a thing they pushed for massively in the 90s 21:42:55 <glx> it will soon due to european regulation 21:43:28 <glx> and "service quality" dream :) 21:43:30 <Eddi|zuHause> there's some pushback that wants to revert parts of it here, particularly the infrastructure bits. 21:44:18 <glx> when SNCF "bad" service is mostly due to bad infrastructure 21:44:36 <glx> so it won't be better for others 21:45:31 <glx> the only difference will be newer trains 21:46:04 <Eddi|zuHause> thing about actual "private" railways (which is mostly code for "state-owned foreign railways", like dutch railway and stuff), is that the german railway controls the infrastructure, so they can set prices and track slots to favour itself over others 21:46:22 <Eddi|zuHause> which is the second reason why some people want to revert the infrastructure back into state-owned 21:46:30 <Eddi|zuHause> to level the playing field 21:46:54 *** Etua has quit IRC 21:48:05 <glx> IIRC they split infrastructure owning and use some time ago (mostly to move the debt to the infrastructure) 21:49:55 <Eddi|zuHause> railway operation basically falls into 3 sectors: long distance, regional and freight. freight seems to be fine, with lots of larger and smaller companies competing. regional is weird, because they're government-issued contracts which are like 15-year-long local monopolies, and there's been practically no competition on long distance, pretty much everyone that tried to compete there gave up after a few years 21:50:45 <glx> freight is not very good here as it uses same tracks as passengers but with lower priority 21:51:09 *** nielsm has joined #openttd 21:51:24 <glx> it used to be better 21:51:50 <Eddi|zuHause> same here, but it comes down to a few major bottlenecks, like the rhine valley, and routes that ultimately lead towards alp-passes (gotthart, brenner) 21:52:47 <glx> and many trucks contourning germany via alsace, to escape the tax ;) 21:53:17 <Eddi|zuHause> and there are a few cases where they built new routes, which were meant to also be used by freight, but they built them to such steep profiles that no economically viable freight train can use them 21:54:07 <Eddi|zuHause> glx: which is weird, because it used to be france where using the autobahn costs money :p 21:54:52 <Eddi|zuHause> i think they got the whole autobahn cost thing backwards 21:55:08 <Eddi|zuHause> they should charge trucks for using anything OTHER than autobahn 21:55:17 <glx> they tried 21:55:39 <glx> french truckers were not happy 21:55:53 <Eddi|zuHause> otherwise they just cause more traffic to back-roads 21:55:58 <glx> blocking roads and all 21:56:20 <Eddi|zuHause> glx: knowing how protests in france tend to go, that probably wasn't pretty :p 21:57:36 <glx> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonnets_Rouges 21:58:16 <glx> just cost 1 billion 21:58:54 <Eddi|zuHause> let's not talk about costs... 21:59:51 <Eddi|zuHause> ... they tried here to extend the autobahn tax onto regular cars, with the intention to only really charge foreign cars, and give the locally registered cars a tax cut in the same amount 22:00:01 <Eddi|zuHause> ... and already given out contracts and stuff 22:00:20 <Eddi|zuHause> ... and then lost a court case declaring the law incompatible with european guidelines 22:00:20 <glx> isn't that illegal to charge only foreign ? 22:00:51 <Eddi|zuHause> ... so now they have to honour the contracts, but aren't allowed to charge anybody 22:01:46 <glx> they're supposed to think before deciding to do things 22:02:03 <Eddi|zuHause> ... uhm yeah. but when's that going to happen? :p 22:02:17 <glx> maybe someday :) 22:02:32 <glx> and then they're surprised people don't vote 22:03:04 <glx> and use far right fear 22:03:12 <Eddi|zuHause> glx: but at the same time they're saying: "these youths should go back to school, and let the professionals deal with the issues" 22:08:13 *** Wolf01 has quit IRC 22:10:35 <glx> yeah 22:27:00 <milek7> i guess you at least don't have highways leased to private companies on 30 years secret contracts, high tolls, and with roadworks on third of whole distance? ;P 22:32:59 <Eddi|zuHause> milek7: there was a section of highway that they leased like that, and then the economy crashed and there were massively fewer trucks around to pay for it 22:33:29 <glx> we still have that 22:49:30 *** gnu_jj_ has joined #openttd 22:50:18 *** HerzogDeXtEr has joined #openttd 22:50:21 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 has quit IRC 22:50:43 *** gnu_jj has quit IRC 23:23:08 *** HerzogDeXtEr has quit IRC 23:45:49 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 23:45:56 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd