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00:02:54 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 00:03:29 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 00:05:34 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] James103 commented on issue #7767: Terrible lag, low FPS https://git.io/Je8mF 00:06:27 *** Flygon has joined #openttd 00:07:45 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] James103 closed issue #7711: #7612 causes multiple news messages to show at once and overlap. https://git.io/JeYiD 00:07:45 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] James103 commented on issue #7711: #7612 causes multiple news messages to show at once and overlap. https://git.io/JeYiD 00:08:13 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] SuperLeaf1995 opened issue #7768: The cars overlaps themselves https://git.io/Je8Y4 00:11:34 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 00:12:10 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 00:31:09 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Eddi-z commented on issue #7767: Terrible lag, low FPS https://git.io/Je8mF 00:33:36 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Eddi-z commented on issue #7768: The cars overlaps themselves https://git.io/Je8Y4 02:24:53 *** debdog has joined #openttd 02:28:12 *** D-HUND has quit IRC 03:09:13 *** glx has quit IRC 03:17:56 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] SJang1 opened issue #7769: Music sounds weird https://git.io/Je83C 03:54:13 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Eddi-z commented on issue #7769: Music sounds weird on Linux https://git.io/Je83C 03:55:17 <Eddi|zuHause> did we announce or release something? or what's with the sudden influx of weird tickets 04:04:07 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] SJang1 commented on issue #7769: Music sounds weird on Linux https://git.io/Je83C 04:40:14 *** supermop_pdx has quit IRC 05:05:51 *** Thedarkb-X40 has quit IRC 05:33:29 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] SJang1 closed issue #7769: Music sounds weird on Linux https://git.io/Je83C 05:36:40 *** Sacro has quit IRC 06:44:27 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 07:27:38 <andythenorth> o/ 07:35:01 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 07:41:12 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro commented on issue #7768: The cars overlaps themselves https://git.io/Je8Y4 07:41:12 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro closed issue #7768: The cars overlaps themselves https://git.io/Je8Y4 07:42:45 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro commented on issue #7767: Terrible lag, low FPS https://git.io/Je8mF 07:44:49 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro commented on issue #7762: Emoji results in question mark 😀 🠚 ? https://git.io/JeCLb 07:44:49 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro closed issue #7762: Emoji results in question mark 😀 🠚 ? https://git.io/JeCLb 07:49:29 <LordAro> feel free to reopen if anyone disagrees 08:13:07 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro commented on issue #7768: The cars overlaps themselves https://git.io/Je8Y4 08:30:30 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] sdcloudt commented on issue #7735: Protocol handler to join network games https://git.io/Jemi1 08:36:45 *** GroovyNoodle has joined #openttd 08:39:02 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Mysteron347 opened issue #7770: Current-location indicator in orders list missing https://git.io/Je8Z9 09:26:35 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 09:31:21 *** qwebirc4063 has joined #openttd 09:31:25 <planetmaker> andythenorth, did you discuss retiring devzone entirely yesterday or "just" migration of all repos? 09:31:29 <qwebirc4063> !lastseen Sacro 09:31:34 <qwebirc4063> !seen Sacrto 09:31:40 <qwebirc4063> @seen Sacro 09:31:40 <DorpsGek> qwebirc4063: Sacro was last seen in #openttd 3 days, 20 hours, 20 minutes, and 57 seconds ago: <Sacro> Nothing more, nothing less 09:31:51 <andythenorth> planetmaker: only repos 09:31:58 <andythenorth> I made a little list of ideas 09:32:01 <qwebirc4063> Can anyone tell me when I went? Can't contact my server :( 09:32:36 <andythenorth> planetmaker: seems a bit nuclear to delete all of it, versus migrating one service at a time, but I'd value your opinion :) 09:33:01 <qwebirc4063> @logs 09:33:01 <DorpsGek> qwebirc4063: https://webster.openttdcoop.org/index.php?channel=openttd 09:34:42 *** qwebirc4063 has quit IRC 09:36:31 *** Flygon_ has joined #openttd 09:39:51 *** cHawk has joined #openttd 09:44:05 *** Flygon has quit IRC 09:55:56 *** Sacro has joined #openttd 10:07:10 <planetmaker> andythenorth, there is no plan in deleting *any* repo 10:07:16 <planetmaker> nor any service 10:07:45 <planetmaker> but migrating the repos to github is a good idea which I support. And which the 30-odd repos is a start of... 10:07:48 <planetmaker> tedious :) 10:08:20 <andythenorth> services are? 10:08:21 <planetmaker> actually I'm just (slowy) migrating stuff to a new server 10:08:23 <andythenorth> * repos 10:08:27 <planetmaker> * jenkins 10:08:27 <andythenorth> * redmine 10:08:30 <planetmaker> * bundles 10:08:32 <planetmaker> * redmine 10:08:33 <andythenorth> * rhodecode? 10:08:41 <andythenorth> * webster? 10:08:42 <planetmaker> * rhodecode = repos 10:08:45 <andythenorth> ok 10:08:46 <planetmaker> * webster 10:08:51 <planetmaker> * eints 10:09:03 <andythenorth> is there an auth provider / LDAP, or is redmine doing that? 10:09:17 <planetmaker> there is no SSO at all 10:09:26 <planetmaker> redmine handles it for eints iirc 10:09:32 <andythenorth> that was my understanding 10:10:35 <planetmaker> I shall also migrate the openttdcoop stuff, but that is not of much interest in this context ;) 10:11:29 <planetmaker> but setting repos to read-only... not sure I want to do that 10:11:56 <planetmaker> I've one, two somewhat hidden I use myself :P 10:12:04 <planetmaker> but unrelated to openttd endevours 10:12:29 <planetmaker> oh... service: *paste 10:15:32 <planetmaker> anyhow... I heard there's cake upstairs :D 10:24:06 *** cHawk has quit IRC 10:40:23 *** Flygon_ has quit IRC 11:51:09 <crem> Sorry for the offtopic, I have a gameplay (not development question): do you use classical signal along the route and path-based near junctions/stations, or just PBS everywhere? 11:59:26 * andythenorth is PBS everywhere 12:00:25 <crem> I'm avoiding PBS everywhere as it feels to me that it's more computation for my CPU. :) Probably not worth caring. 12:01:55 <crem> And for classical+PBS approach, I feel that I do more mouseclicks than I should. Was going to ask how people do that. E.g. whether in settings you have "cycle over PBS only", etc.. 12:12:22 <crem> Reading wiki... Apparently bi-directional tracks is the new modern thing in 21st century! I'm still playing it like it was original TTD (almost). 12:12:56 <andythenorth> the optimum throughput is one line per train :P 12:13:05 <andythenorth> not optimum for use of map tiles though :P 12:13:49 <crem> Well, I optimize for neither, mostly for "player time" or "player fun". :) 12:14:06 <crem> For me large networks are more fun than small but well performing nets. 12:14:15 <andythenorth> I build horrors 12:14:47 <crem> Also I think I prefer realism over efficiency. 13:22:18 *** Etua has joined #openttd 13:23:06 <FLHerne> crem: I use block signals everywhere, and path only near junctions 13:23:59 <FLHerne> Mostly for aesthetics; I'm sure there's /some/ performance difference but it certainly isn't significant 13:24:54 <FLHerne> Building signals, I have the 2-way path signal selected most of the time; then I can ctrl-click after building to cycle to 1-way or block 13:26:33 <crem> FLHerne: You have 2-way block (ordinary) signal selected, right? And you have enabled them all for cycling through? (e.g. it's like 5 ctrl+clicks to get from ordinary signal to path-based). 13:27:21 <FLHerne> crem: Right, but no-one cares about the weird block types except for prio or other niche uses 13:27:30 <FLHerne> So it's only ever one or two clicks 13:28:03 <FLHerne> crem: Er, sorry, wrong 13:28:19 <FLHerne> crem: 2-way /path/ selected normally 13:28:23 <crem> Yeah, but sequence is block-entry-exit-combo-path-onewaypath. To get from block to path you have to click 4 times :) 13:28:34 <FLHerne> So it's 2-way path -> 1-way path -> plain block 13:28:40 <crem> Ah, 2way path! Ok, will try that. 13:29:01 * FLHerne needs to skimread less :P 13:29:24 <crem> I tried to disabling cycling through block signals (there is a setting for it), but then I cannot convert back from path to ordinary if I want to. I found no way at all, rather than remove and place again. 13:29:51 <FLHerne> I assume you know you can ctrl-drag to build continuous signals? 13:30:14 <FLHerne> So the vast majority of my signals are plain block ones, but I don't actually place very many 13:30:16 <crem> yes, I think I could do that even in initial TTD 13:31:16 <crem> Yeah, but building signals around stations still involve lots of clicking and ctrl+clicking. But I had block signals by default, maybe with two-way path it's easier. 13:32:57 <crem> If I could also drag over turning road.. :) 13:32:58 <FLHerne> crem: Almost certainly; block signals are always the right things in stations ;-) 13:34:30 *** arikover has joined #openttd 13:56:33 <andythenorth> FLHerne adjunct to Horse comments, which is your favourite train grf? 14:00:16 <FLHerne> andythenorth: UKRS2, no question ;-) 14:00:39 <FLHerne> I love the small loading gauge 14:01:04 <FLHerne> Makes the proportions much better, and they don't dwarf houses in such a silly way 14:01:18 <FLHerne> [and everything I said yesterday] 14:04:09 <crem> i've just read coopwiki, "While you are dragging it a little bit press the CTRL button and release it.".. It turned out I didn't know I could ctrl+drag! I knew I could drag, but not ctrl+drag! 14:04:33 <crem> That's why I complained about turning road! 14:08:01 <FLHerne> crem: Oh, wow, I never realised you can non-ctrl-drag :D 14:11:06 *** nielsm has joined #openttd 14:13:29 <andythenorth> https://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/9515/UKRS2-Horse.png 14:14:23 <andythenorth> Horse is more plastic, and doesn't bother with left-to-right shading 14:17:12 <FLHerne> Interesting comparison 14:17:19 <planetmaker> btw, @crem: gameplay questions are NOT off-topic here :) 14:17:38 <FLHerne> I think the difference is much bigger with steam locos 14:18:04 <FLHerne> Most Horse ones look to me like a cylinder with widgets glued on 14:19:51 <FLHerne> The tank engines and other small ones are better 14:20:36 <andythenorth> I spent about 18 months drawing the diesels and railcars 14:20:43 <andythenorth> most of the steam engines were done in July :P 14:20:58 <andythenorth> I have a suspicion that they look under-loved 14:20:59 <andythenorth> https://firs-test-1.s3.eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/iron-horse/docs/html/trains.html 14:21:26 <andythenorth> UKRS 2 steamers look more complete + cohesive 14:21:58 <andythenorth> Horse 2 ones look more like https://www.steinelager.de/img/sets/1/0/1/9/4/10194-1_0.jpg 14:22:38 <FLHerne> Oh, and Horse's high-contrast fixed coupling rods irrationally bug me 14:22:59 <andythenorth> that's interesting 14:23:03 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 14:23:08 <FLHerne> Either animate them (not worth it) or let them blend in like UKRS's do 14:23:19 <FLHerne> Locomotives sliding along look silly 14:24:21 <andythenorth> reminds me of http://thomasthetrain.net/images/ertl-thomas.jpg 14:24:42 <FLHerne> I think I said yesterday about Horse vehicles looking very 'kitbuilt' in general, and the steam locos are definitely at the top there 14:25:18 <andythenorth> they are very much cut-paste 14:25:36 <andythenorth> I spent about as much time drawing these sliding wall vans as I did steamers https://firs-test-1.s3.eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/iron-horse/docs/html/trains.html#sliding_wall_car_pony_gen_4B 14:25:37 <FLHerne> Ah, that image is perfect :D 14:26:33 <andythenorth> the cut and shut was quite inspired by https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/82465-corbs-cobbling-electric-dreams/ 14:26:56 <andythenorth> ^ the lolz in that story is that it turns out Corbs is someone I've worked with for years 14:27:00 <andythenorth> parallel interests :P 14:30:42 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 14:35:47 *** GroovyNoodle has quit IRC 14:37:14 *** Etua has quit IRC 14:37:33 *** Etua has joined #openttd 14:38:56 *** Etua has quit IRC 14:39:15 *** Etua has joined #openttd 14:39:17 *** tokai|noir has joined #openttd 14:39:17 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai|noir 14:46:18 *** tokai has quit IRC 14:46:51 <andythenorth> https://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/9516/UKRS2-Horse-2.png 14:46:55 <andythenorth> pikka has better wheels 14:47:12 <andythenorth> and the trains aren't compressed to fit the length scale 14:47:16 <andythenorth> so they look more natural 14:47:57 <andythenorth> and pikka hasn't added the constraint of including 2CC on every train 14:50:49 * andythenorth making notes for future 14:55:45 <crem> Another offtopic question. :) I'm never sure how many bus stations do I need per town. Is it just one, or a bunch of them for realism? E.g. is there any reason to transport passengers from one to another part of the same city? 14:56:42 <FLHerne> In 'specific detail complaints', the Horse domes look like they're somehow hovering in front of the boiler 14:57:08 <nielsm> crem: that's an on-topic question 14:57:32 <FLHerne> crem: Towns grow faster with more stations (up to 4, 5, or something), and if you move more passengers 14:57:35 <nielsm> as far as town growth is concerned, anything past four active stations gives no additional bonus 14:57:53 <nielsm> and in this context, active station means "someone attempted picking up cargo recently" 14:58:03 <FLHerne> crem: Passenger production is based on houses in the catchment, so more stations usually means more passengers 14:58:14 <FLHerne> (although you can 'cheat' with station-joining) 14:58:15 <nielsm> a station only receiving deliveries does not count as active 14:58:48 <crem> Ok, thanks. But it's still not that profitable because buses are slow and distances are short, right? 14:59:01 <crem> No need to do buses except for fun/realism, kind of. 14:59:19 <nielsm> yes you should have at least six tiles (manhattan distance) between bus stops if you want to run buses for profit 14:59:21 <FLHerne> crem: Depends. If you have cargodist on, or set up transfers manually, bus passengers can go long-distance 14:59:51 <andythenorth> yeah the Horse domes look like they were just pasted on :P 15:00:00 <andythenorth> the reason for that is that they were just pasted on :P 15:00:10 <FLHerne> crem: The silly profit-focussed method is to have buses pickup-only, and then transfer to high-speed trains when full 15:00:15 <crem> If I have transfer order, cargo won't be "accepted" even if station accepts it, right? 15:00:21 * andythenorth needs to declare lesser enthusiasm for kettles compared to diesels 15:00:30 <FLHerne> But I find that playing OTTD for profit is no fun anyway 15:00:35 <nielsm> if your order is specifically "transfer" then yes 15:00:35 <andythenorth> still, feedback drives quality, eh? 15:00:43 <nielsm> the cargo is unloaded and left waiting at the station 15:00:52 <FLHerne> The economics are silly, and it's trivial to make more money than you can feasibly spend 15:00:53 <crem> Yeah, money start to be non-issue after like 30 minutes of play anyway. 15:01:08 <FLHerne> Unless you've changed costs in some drastic way 15:01:18 <andythenorth> buses are mostly to keep ratings up :P 15:01:20 <FLHerne> crem: Have you discovered cargo distribution yet? 15:01:28 <FLHerne> Definitely turn that on for passengers/mail 15:01:29 <crem> Cargo distribution?.. 15:01:31 <FLHerne> It's a lot more fun 15:01:47 <FLHerne> Makes them want to go to a specific place, not just 'the next station' 15:02:17 <crem> Ah, more realism, that would be fun! But I guess I cannot do the for existing map, right? 15:02:22 <FLHerne> So bus passengers will automagically decide they want to catch the bus to the airport, fly somewhere, then take the train to their destination 15:02:32 <FLHerne> I'm pretty sure you can change the setting in-game 15:02:39 <crem> Is it a built-in feature or a mod/newgrx/plugin/however-you-call-it 15:02:43 <FLHerne> Feature 15:03:21 <crem> That's good! Maybe it may make planes fun. 15:03:31 <FLHerne> (technically, it's implemented in an aggregate way rather than tracking each individual passenger, but the effect is the same) 15:03:57 <nielsm> FLHerne: it works on a per-cargo-packet basis and a cargo packet can technically be as small as a single unit :) 15:04:16 <crem> It was introduced in 1.4... So PBS was 0.7, cargodist in 1.4, next nice feature in 2.1 then .:) 15:10:23 <andythenorth> lol the number of variations for just one small diesel https://github.com/andythenorth/iron-horse/blob/master/src/graphics/pony/kelpie.png 15:10:34 <andythenorth> steam engine...fewer https://github.com/andythenorth/iron-horse/blob/master/src/graphics/pony/braf.png 15:15:00 *** supermop_work has quit IRC 15:23:31 *** supermop_work has joined #openttd 15:23:56 <supermop_work> something is wrong with this workstation where i regularly have to restart it 15:25:08 <nielsm> just like a train station is where the train stops, a workstation is where work stops 15:26:25 *** Etua has quit IRC 15:26:45 *** Etua has joined #openttd 15:29:22 <supermop_work> indeed 15:31:17 <supermop_work> andythenorth: last night i got an almost complete steeltown game 15:31:25 <supermop_work> 85-92 ish 15:31:33 <andythenorth> o_O 15:31:36 <andythenorth> v3 steeltown? 15:31:59 <supermop_work> 256x256 desert map, only one of each industry 15:32:39 <supermop_work> making decent amt of vehicles without any quicklime 15:33:33 <supermop_work> quicklime route is planned but keep procrastinating bc kiln is far out of the way and can't decide which of two spots to fund one 15:37:42 <andythenorth> SCREENSHOTS! 15:37:44 <andythenorth> FORUMS! 15:37:47 <andythenorth> :) 16:36:36 *** firewire1394 has joined #openttd 16:47:29 *** HerzogDeXtEr has joined #openttd 16:54:43 <supermop_work> sure when i get home 16:55:16 <supermop_work> accidentally had not up to date horse load 16:55:51 <supermop_work> so no cargo shown on flatbeds 16:57:44 <andythenorth> oof 16:57:48 <andythenorth> those with newgrf dev tools 16:57:53 <andythenorth> overcome such issues :D 16:58:11 <andythenorth> give or take what min. compatible version does 16:58:13 <andythenorth> and breaking stuff 17:11:48 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 17:12:13 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 17:14:46 *** supermop_pdx has joined #openttd 17:20:46 *** spnda has joined #openttd 17:21:01 <spnda> Where can I find documentation of Road and Tram types? 17:21:06 <spnda> For NML 17:21:08 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 17:21:44 <nielsm> I'm not sure if it's properly finished 17:22:12 <nielsm> but try this: https://wiki.openttd.org/Frosch/NotRoadTypes 17:22:20 <spnda> thanks 17:22:40 <nielsm> "someone" will need to merge it into the newgrf wiki soon 17:22:48 *** supermop_pdx has quit IRC 17:23:26 *** Progman has joined #openttd 17:54:29 *** glx has joined #openttd 17:54:29 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v glx 18:08:29 <crem> Do you know how can I spectate public openttdcoop server? It needs password. Their wiki says to get password in their IRC, but their IRC is also password protected! 18:08:32 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 18:10:25 *** andythenorth_ has joined #openttd 18:10:55 <andythenorth_> nielsm fwiw https://github.com/OpenTTD/nml/issues/46 18:11:15 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 18:11:23 * andythenorth_ planning a holiday from making grfs :p 18:11:43 <Wolf01> To make what else? :) 18:11:45 <andythenorth_> grf making tools instead 18:13:16 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 18:13:47 <andythenorth> anyone here actually use nml? o_O 18:16:12 *** andythenorth_ has quit IRC 18:18:10 <andythenorth> bye bye andythenorth_ 18:21:26 <V453000> crem: you need to join #openttrcoop IRC channel 18:21:34 <V453000> you should be able to type /join #openttdcoop in here 18:21:35 <andythenorth> V :o 18:21:38 <V453000> hi :) 18:21:40 <andythenorth> yo 18:21:52 <V453000> how'z you? 18:21:56 <andythenorth> all family all day long V? 18:22:05 <andythenorth> babies, animals, bills? 18:22:06 <V453000> eh, work then family, repeat :) 18:22:26 <crem> Ah, so it's not on openttdcoop.org server! (there is a server!) 18:22:26 <andythenorth> do you do the morning family stuff? 18:22:30 <andythenorth> used to kill me 18:22:33 <andythenorth> still does some days 18:22:53 <V453000> eh, half. I take the older one to kindergarten, younger one is home with wife 18:23:24 <andythenorth> I stay up late like a dumbass 18:23:27 <V453000> it's not too bad considering there is nobody at work pointing at the clock whether I come at 08:00 or 08:30 18:23:31 <andythenorth> then the kids wake me up :P 18:23:41 <V453000> I kind of got used to going to sleep quite early 18:23:49 <andythenorth> me too 18:23:56 <andythenorth> except some days, I'm like 'nah, live' 18:24:03 <V453000> but then we barely sleep these days at night, the two get in a deadlock state of waking up each other :D 18:24:07 <andythenorth> ouch 18:24:27 <V453000> but well :) I'm busy as fuck at work too, but today I'm actually playing openttd 18:24:40 <andythenorth> my 9 year old was mad this morning because the 7 year old didn't wake him up 18:24:49 <andythenorth> so he 'missed out' on some ipad time 18:24:50 <V453000> :D 18:24:52 <V453000> nice 18:25:04 <andythenorth> now I am waiting to pick them up from lazer quest 18:25:20 <andythenorth> I am in a van, 11 floors above the city 18:25:24 <andythenorth> in the rain 18:25:35 <andythenorth> glamour 18:26:04 <V453000> :0 I'm not going to ask how does a fucking van get 11 floors up :D 18:26:43 <andythenorth> car park innit :P 18:26:57 <V453000> is there a car lift or did you actually climb up 11 floors? 18:27:47 <andythenorth> ramps 18:28:05 <andythenorth> such game https://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/9518/FIRS_4_game_1.png 18:28:09 <andythenorth> https://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/9517/FIRS_4_game_2.png 18:28:14 <andythenorth> so optimal junctions 18:28:18 <andythenorth> very train 18:28:31 <V453000> dam 18:31:50 <andythenorth> I really really really miss flash https://www.wired.co.uk/article/history-of-macromedia-flash 18:31:56 <andythenorth> obviously it was buggy malware 18:32:07 <andythenorth> but as a creative tool, nothing has ever come close 18:32:33 <andythenorth> there is literally no tool on iOS or mac that my kids can use to learn to animate 18:32:34 <V453000> yeah, our art director had some good time with flash too 18:33:00 <andythenorth> it was a brilliant tool 18:33:13 * andythenorth considers dropping everything 18:33:21 <andythenorth> and building svg tool, but like flash 18:33:33 <andythenorth> oof I should go and get these children 18:33:40 <andythenorth> we can admire my openttd game more later 18:33:43 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 18:36:58 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 18:39:20 *** frenchiveruti_EasyOS has joined #openttd 18:49:24 <frenchiveruti_EasyOS> hello quick question for linux, if I include the shared libs in the game folder when trying to create a portable version 18:49:26 <frenchiveruti_EasyOS> Would that work? 18:49:37 <frenchiveruti_EasyOS> Where will OpenTTD look for the shared libs? 18:49:45 <frenchiveruti_EasyOS> in $PATH 18:50:04 <frenchiveruti_EasyOS> or it will also look for them inside the folder where the binary is located? 18:50:12 <nielsm> depends on the system configuration 18:50:33 <frenchiveruti_EasyOS> aight 18:50:36 <nielsm> or whether there are some flags for the dynamic loader set 18:50:51 <nielsm> you can probably make a shell script that will configure the dynamic loader so it works for most systems 18:51:13 <frenchiveruti_EasyOS> Okay 18:51:16 <frenchiveruti_EasyOS> Another question 18:52:01 <frenchiveruti_EasyOS> I compiled using ./configure --with-libtimidity="pkg-config libtimidity" --with-midi=timidity 18:52:09 <frenchiveruti_EasyOS> But the ldd still tells me I need fluidsynth 18:52:11 <frenchiveruti_EasyOS> how's that? 18:52:35 <nielsm> try adding --without-fluidsynth to force it disabled 18:52:44 <nielsm> otherwise it'll autodetect 18:52:53 <frenchiveruti_EasyOS> Ah, quite a detail 18:52:58 <frenchiveruti_EasyOS> Didn't see that 18:54:39 <frenchiveruti_EasyOS> sorry nielsm but there's no such a configure option called "without-fluidsynth" 18:54:51 <frenchiveruti_EasyOS> at least not stated in "./configure --help" 18:55:06 <nielsm> it exists but is implicit 18:55:08 <LordAro> it's not listed 18:55:15 <LordAro> well, not explicitly 18:55:19 <nielsm> all --with-x have a corresponding --without-x 18:55:35 <nielsm> and all --enable-x have a corresponding --disable-x 18:55:57 <frenchiveruti_EasyOS> okay. I would suggest correcting that because it's really not that obvious 18:56:04 <frenchiveruti_EasyOS> I will try that now. 18:56:05 <frenchiveruti_EasyOS> Thanks 18:56:09 <LordAro> the whole script will be going away "soon" 18:56:51 <frenchiveruti_EasyOS> Alright 18:56:53 <nielsm> so will Cmake be before or after 1.10? 18:57:14 <LordAro> depends if we actually release 1.10 "early" 18:57:19 <LordAro> at this rate, it's not looking likely 18:57:38 <frenchiveruti_EasyOS> Is there a roadmap? 18:57:54 <LordAro> there's a few things milestoned on github 18:58:01 <LordAro> which may or may not be correct 18:58:05 <frenchiveruti_EasyOS> haha okay 18:58:44 <frenchiveruti_EasyOS> How do you check "milestones" on github, just curious 18:58:50 <milek7> note that libtimidity support is missing in master 18:58:54 <nielsm> the 1.10 milestone is to a large part just me going over tickets and PRs and picking things that look likely/"really ought to get fixed" for the release 18:59:02 <milek7> and broken in release 18:59:15 <LordAro> mm 18:59:47 <LordAro> almost no one needs libtimidity anyway 18:59:53 <LordAro> unless your name is milek7 18:59:59 <LordAro> ;) 19:00:29 <milek7> eh, i think there was somebody else asking about it ;) 19:01:28 <frenchiveruti_EasyOS> It was me hahaha 19:01:56 <glx> libtimidity is not available in "major" linux distro IIRC 19:02:01 <frenchiveruti_EasyOS> But I albeit admit that I thought I needed it because the music didn't work 19:02:18 <frenchiveruti_EasyOS> poor easyos. 19:03:00 <milek7> fluidsynth is better, but the problem is that it depends on kitchensink and glib 19:03:09 <LordAro> glx: that's why it was removed 19:03:42 <glx> I think libtimidity was added for some portable device unable to use ext-midi 19:03:51 <nielsm> yeah, PSP port 19:03:53 <supermop_work> so i've been hearing a lot about this goose game 19:05:41 <frenchiveruti_EasyOS> Try it 19:05:42 <frenchiveruti_EasyOS> Honk 19:05:52 <glx> frenchiveruti_EasyOS: and for a portable install it's probably easier to compile statically 19:06:45 <frenchiveruti_EasyOS> I think LordAro said that static works for windows only? 19:07:12 <glx> for dependencies it's ok on linux 19:07:19 <glx> IIRC 19:07:54 <frenchiveruti_EasyOS> "<planetmaker> he... WARNING: static is only known to work on Windows, DOS, and MacOSX" 19:08:06 <glx> we used to provide static linux builds 19:08:09 <frenchiveruti_EasyOS> alright glx i'll stry 19:08:12 <frenchiveruti_EasyOS> try* 19:13:47 <LordAro> frenchiveruti_EasyOS: it's only tested on those platforms (well, not DOS) 19:14:05 <LordAro> at some point someone will get around to automating a linux build again 19:21:17 *** frenchiveruti_EasyOS has quit IRC 19:22:21 *** Arveen has quit IRC 19:39:38 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 19:39:50 <andythenorth> "Back in 2007, you could be making Flash games and actually be making a living," remembers Newgrounds founder Tom Fulp, when asked about Flash's golden age. "That was a really fun time, because that's kind of what everyone's dream is: to make the games you want and be able to make a living off it." 19:39:54 <andythenorth> too true 19:43:12 *** Arveen has joined #openttd 19:52:23 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 19:53:14 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 20:02:28 *** gelignite has quit IRC 20:34:40 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 20:40:20 <supermop_work> should i buy a switch just for this goose game? 20:43:17 *** Wolf01 has quit IRC 20:43:24 <nnyby> i have a switch. i cant figure out how much the goose game costs. is it free? 20:44:26 <nnyby> oh, looks like it's around . most mainstream switch games are really expensive 20:45:12 <nnyby> this game looks like it would be fun for about 10 minutes. but what do i know. 20:46:25 <andythenorth> supermop_work: the goose game has found favour with my friends 20:46:26 <andythenorth> HONK 20:46:41 <andythenorth> but you can get it on PC no? 20:50:08 <super_spooky> not yet 20:55:21 *** johanna[m] has joined #openttd 20:58:19 *** HerzogDeXtEr has quit IRC 20:59:00 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 21:03:03 <supermop_work> website claims pc 21:03:14 <supermop_work> but like i don't have a switch 21:03:15 <nielsm> spammer on the forums, everywhere on the forums 21:03:28 <supermop_work> maybe i should get one just for the goose game 21:04:51 *** Wormnest__ has joined #openttd 21:08:14 <super_spooky> oh I must be mistaken, hasn't been released on steam: "Planned Release Date: Late 2020 on Steam" 21:11:16 *** nielsm has quit IRC 21:11:38 *** Wormnest_ has quit IRC 21:11:47 <supermop_work> late 2020? 21:12:02 <supermop_work> it's going to take a year? 21:19:00 <super_spooky> they don't like money? 22:03:57 <firewire1394> hi 22:04:01 <firewire1394> good night 22:04:05 *** firewire1394 has quit IRC 22:31:49 *** Progman has quit IRC 22:46:57 *** Thedarkb-X40 has joined #openttd 22:48:59 <supermop_work> damn this thing is still 0? 22:56:03 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 22:56:45 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd