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00:09:10 *** supermop_elsewhere has quit IRC 00:10:21 *** supermop_Home has joined #openttd 00:11:52 *** argoneus has quit IRC 00:26:09 *** argoneus has joined #openttd 00:48:11 *** Flygon has joined #openttd 00:52:06 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] lolPants opened pull request #7780: Feature: Configure minimum share trading years https://git.io/Je4de 01:14:07 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] lolPants commented on pull request #7780: Feature: Configure minimum share trading years https://git.io/Je4d0 01:23:46 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 commented on pull request #7780: Feature: Configure minimum share trading years https://git.io/Je4dr 01:26:43 *** Wormnest_ has joined #openttd 01:59:25 *** dwfreed has quit IRC 02:04:53 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 02:05:21 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 02:17:55 *** luaduck has quit IRC 02:18:29 *** luaduck has joined #openttd 02:18:42 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 commented on pull request #7778: Doc: split compiling instructions from README, as they aren't requir… https://git.io/Je4FB 02:18:46 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] lolPants updated pull request #7780: Feature: Configure minimum share trading years https://git.io/Je4de 02:20:05 *** dwfreed has joined #openttd 02:20:09 *** debdog has joined #openttd 02:23:37 *** D-HUND has quit IRC 02:26:54 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] lolPants updated pull request #7780: Feature: Configure minimum share trading years https://git.io/Je4de 02:32:25 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 commented on pull request #7778: Doc: split compiling instructions from README, as they aren't requir… https://git.io/Je4Fy 02:39:06 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] lolPants updated pull request #7780: Feature: Configure minimum share trading years https://git.io/Je4de 02:39:45 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 commented on pull request #7780: Feature: Configure minimum share trading years https://git.io/Je4bL 03:11:08 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 approved pull request #7780: Feature: Configure minimum share trading years https://git.io/Je4bA 03:17:55 *** glx has quit IRC 03:58:19 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] James103 commented on pull request #7780: Feature: Configure minimum share trading years https://git.io/Je4Nx 06:19:16 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 07:13:29 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 07:13:53 *** Lejving has quit IRC 07:14:21 <andythenorth> yo 07:15:59 *** arikover has joined #openttd 07:24:09 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth commented on pull request #7778: Doc: split compiling instructions from README, as they aren't requir… https://git.io/Je4hu 07:26:01 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth commented on pull request #7778: Doc: split compiling instructions from README, as they aren't requir… https://git.io/Je4hw 07:26:37 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth commented on pull request #7778: Doc: split compiling instructions from README, as they aren't requir… https://git.io/Je4hr 07:28:41 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth commented on pull request #7778: Doc: split compiling instructions from README, as they aren't requir… https://git.io/Je4hK 07:28:54 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 07:42:20 * LordAro wonders when glx sleeps 07:49:59 <Eddi|zuHause> sleep is overrated 07:51:16 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 08:37:38 *** cHawk has joined #openttd 08:46:41 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 08:48:12 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 08:48:25 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 09:07:33 <peter1138> I wish I'd slept. 09:52:36 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/website] TrueBrain approved pull request #104: Change: Don't push push notifications to IRC https://git.io/JeBvj 09:52:51 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 09:53:03 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/website] TrueBrain merged pull request #104: Change: Don't push push notifications to IRC https://git.io/Je4PG 09:53:55 <peter1138> What about pushing push notification notifications? 09:54:08 <andythenorth> I want to be notified if a notification isn't pushed 09:58:26 <peter1138> I need a lunch notification. 09:58:35 <andythenorth> I had cheese on toast 09:58:38 <andythenorth> or cheese toastie 09:58:44 <andythenorth> I can't remember the approved lexicon 09:58:54 <andythenorth> we should teach DorpsGek about lunch 09:58:59 <andythenorth> DorpsGek: is it lunch? 09:59:03 <peter1138> Cheese toastie would be cheese *in* toast. 09:59:07 <andythenorth> dorpsgek @lunch 09:59:23 <andythenorth> I can't keep up with everyone's differing cultural views on cheese foods 09:59:24 <peter1138> But that sounds a bit early for lunch. 09:59:36 <andythenorth> newgrf docks? 09:59:36 <peter1138> You're British, should be simple. 09:59:40 <andythenorth> English 10:00:07 <peter1138> I thought "toastie" is a fairly clear definition, to be honest. 10:00:09 <andythenorth> do the Welsh call cheese on toast Welsh Rarebit? 10:00:11 * andythenorth wonders 10:00:16 <andythenorth> could ask the wife 10:00:43 * andythenorth had a toastie 10:01:43 <peter1138> Welsh Rarebit is supposed to be a melted cheese sauce, on toast, rather than grilling cheese, on toast. 10:19:36 <andythenorth> does it include Worcester sauce? 10:25:08 <peter1138> Unspecified. 10:25:28 <Sacro> That would be heading into melt territory 10:26:02 <andythenorth> so does anything use liballegro? 10:26:12 <peter1138> The DOS build did. 10:26:23 <peter1138> You can possibly enable it on Linux but there's no reason to. 10:26:30 <peter1138> Urgh, these grapes are a bit sharp! 10:27:17 <LordAro> could probably strip it out 10:27:33 <LordAro> peter1138: do they have knives in them? 10:30:42 <peter1138> Quite. 10:38:06 <Sacro> Classic ceaser 11:35:02 <andythenorth> lunch? 11:35:05 * andythenorth had crisps 11:56:23 *** Etua has joined #openttd 12:19:30 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 12:24:59 *** Etua is now known as Guest5193 12:25:03 *** Etua has joined #openttd 12:30:16 *** Guest5193 has quit IRC 13:10:26 *** Etua has quit IRC 13:10:44 *** nielsm has joined #openttd 13:57:11 *** Etua has joined #openttd 14:21:08 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 14:22:34 *** Flygon has quit IRC 14:24:59 *** cHawk has quit IRC 14:27:25 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 14:27:38 *** Wormnest_ has quit IRC 14:29:49 <andythenorth> so which SDL? https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/7778#discussion_r336222602 14:29:51 *** nielsm is now known as Guest5206 14:29:55 * andythenorth editing 14:30:36 *** Etua has quit IRC 14:31:18 *** Guest5206 has quit IRC 14:50:52 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 15:17:54 <arikover> andythenorth: #SDL On Linux, the ./configure script requires SDL2 now. I guess that means SDL 1.2 is deprecated (for Linux) now... 15:18:28 <andythenorth> thanks 15:21:08 *** Wormnest_ has joined #openttd 15:27:21 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 15:27:36 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 15:33:05 *** Wormnest_ has quit IRC 15:34:25 *** HerzogDeXtEr has joined #openttd 15:35:28 *** Wormnest_ has joined #openttd 15:35:32 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 15:42:34 <LordAro> arikover: you can specify --with-sdl=sdl1 15:42:39 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 15:43:03 <andythenorth> does that need included in the deps list, or too detailed? 15:44:20 <LordAro> might as well remove it 15:45:30 <andythenorth> if I push current state, do all the previous review comments get removed? 15:45:45 <LordAro> they get hidden 15:45:58 <LordAro> (if github determines they are now "outdated") 15:46:10 <LordAro> if you're really lucky, it might invalidate my review 15:48:13 <andythenorth> "Since Visual Studio 2013, ATL code in Visual C++ 2013 is static, eliminating the DLL" I think this can probably go. Though would want someone who actually knows VS to comment on it 15:48:18 <andythenorth> needs an answer 15:48:49 <andythenorth> and can we delegate the detailed instructions for Windows deps to the wiki? 15:52:24 *** frosch123 has joined #openttd 15:52:56 <LordAro> andythenorth: given someone has apparently wiped out the wiki page as "out of date", i'd be cautious doing that 15:53:04 <LordAro> (i think it was you :p) 15:54:34 <planetmaker> wiping out is bad. Adding a out-of-date template is the recommended thing 15:56:18 <arikover> LordAro: Oh. Didn't know that. 15:56:46 <arikover> LordAro: Well SDL2 seems a bit quicker anyway (when fast-forwarding) (maybe wishful thinking) 15:57:03 <LordAro> i didn't notice anything when testing 15:57:06 <LordAro> but idk 16:00:32 <andythenorth> https://wiki.openttd.org/?title=Compiling_on_Windows_using_Microsoft_Visual_C%2B%2B_2015&action=history 16:00:34 <andythenorth> :D 16:00:50 <andythenorth> I used the outdate template, unless I know the page is junk 16:03:29 <andythenorth> outdated * 16:05:19 <andythenorth> I think we should either (1) move the windows deps instructions to wiki or (2) provide full compile instructions for every platform 16:05:24 <andythenorth> currently it's 2-track approach 16:05:44 <andythenorth> providing full compile instructions really starts to blur the scope of this PR :) 16:32:10 * andythenorth biab :P 16:32:48 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 17:01:40 *** glx has joined #openttd 17:01:40 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v glx 17:11:13 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 17:11:48 *** Progman has joined #openttd 17:11:59 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth updated pull request #7778: Doc: split compiling instructions from README, as they aren't requir… https://git.io/Je4DK 17:12:55 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth updated pull request #7778: Doc: split compiling instructions from README, as they aren't requir… https://git.io/Je4DK 17:16:14 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth updated pull request #7778: Doc: split compiling instructions from README, as they aren't requir… https://git.io/Je4DK 17:18:08 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth updated pull request #7778: Doc: split compiling instructions from README, as they aren't requir… https://git.io/Je4DK 17:21:38 <andythenorth> LordAro: think I changed everything except 'OpenTTD needs the Platform SDK, if it isn't installed already. This can be...' 17:21:44 <andythenorth> which we don't know if we need 17:21:48 <andythenorth> https://github.com/andythenorth/OpenTTD/blob/split-out-compiling-instructions/COMPILING.md 17:21:59 <andythenorth> and $somebody should write a wiki page for Windows compiling 17:22:12 <andythenorth> or alternately make the repo docs canonical for compiling :) 17:22:46 <planetmaker> repo docs should be for compiling... after all: who compiles has source 17:22:53 <planetmaker> and can thus make PRs 17:24:25 <andythenorth> but can those who figure out compiler problems rely on us to make docs commits? o_O 17:24:29 <andythenorth> compared to editing wiki? 17:25:01 <andythenorth> updates to the mac compile page have been vital, and I'm not sure they would have got committed here for days, weeks or even months 17:25:25 * andythenorth is not a big wiki fan, but sometimes they are useful 17:26:21 <glx> wiki can help with some details, but I think COMPILING.md should be enough to get the info 17:26:38 <glx> and wiki are often outdated ;) 17:29:42 <glx> for windows having the MSVC step-by-step in COMPILING.md is enough with other working options, like MSYS2, just linked to the wiki 17:30:31 <andythenorth> glx: any changes needed in that doc above? ^^ 17:30:47 <andythenorth> if we want to add more compile instructions, I would rather a separate PR 17:30:57 <andythenorth> I only did this so I could improve main README :P 17:32:16 <glx> yeah for now merging/splitting current files is enough 17:32:30 <glx> if someone wants to improve it can be done later 17:33:53 <andythenorth> can we approve? 17:53:05 *** Arveen has joined #openttd 17:54:32 <LordAro> andythenorth: i'd like someone who knows about MSVC to say something about the SDK stuff 17:54:36 <LordAro> other than that, fine 17:56:01 <glx> the SDK stuff seems ok to me 17:56:43 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 18:08:32 <andythenorth> that'll do then :) 18:17:13 <andythenorth> can someone merge this so we can edit in place? https://github.com/OpenTTD/website/pull/103 18:17:38 <andythenorth> actually I'll just delete it 18:21:29 <andythenorth> no that doesn't work either, I can't create files in the website repo 18:21:40 <andythenorth> GH suggests I can, but then I don't have rights after filling out all the form fields 18:21:49 <andythenorth> this is like the most lolz form of blogging ever 18:21:58 <andythenorth> TrueBrain hi 18:50:17 <glx> https://github.com/andythenorth/website/edit/2019-october-dev-post/_posts/2019-10-16-monthly-dev-post.md doesn't work for you ? 18:52:36 <andythenorth> works fine, but it's not how the blog posts should be done 18:53:02 <andythenorth> actually, no, it doesn't work 18:53:09 <andythenorth> that's lolz 18:53:40 <andythenorth> the commit button remains disabled 18:54:15 <glx> I just tried adding a space and starting to fill the commit enabled the button 18:54:48 <andythenorth> yeah that works 18:55:24 <glx> you can't edit without creating commits on github 18:55:35 <andythenorth> but then I might as well just edit in editor 18:55:41 <andythenorth> and not in a crappy browser UI :) 18:58:05 <glx> on github editor you can preview the changes ;) 18:59:09 <andythenorth> I just preview them locally in the website ;) 18:59:16 <andythenorth> jekyll install innit 18:59:33 <andythenorth> anyway, this blogging stuff is pretty unrewarding, so I'm watching YT 18:59:44 <andythenorth> I stayed up late writing a post, because we don't have any recently 18:59:48 <andythenorth> but it just goes off to die 18:59:57 <andythenorth> with a crapload of edit suggestions 19:00:08 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 19:00:26 <andythenorth> we act surprised that nobody wants to promote the project 19:00:30 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 19:00:31 <andythenorth> but it's ~impossible 19:00:59 <andythenorth> I rewrote the website to make this crap easier 19:01:10 <andythenorth> but was pretty much a waste of time 19:02:13 <andythenorth> we've fixed github pretty good, and the commits we have this last year are awesome 19:02:59 <andythenorth> but the website is like pulling teeth, and the newgrf tools / coop ecosystem is collapsing 19:03:11 * andythenorth goes back to watching TV shows from 1981 19:04:00 <andythenorth> it's really fucking demotivating taking on sole maintainer tasks in a system that's based on at least two people, one to commit, and one to review / merge 19:24:48 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 19:31:30 <LordAro> andythenorth: do you want an internet hug? 19:32:07 * Wolf01 hugs andythenorth 19:32:24 <andythenorth> lolz 19:32:37 <andythenorth> I am watching original Minder and planning to rewrite README 19:33:32 <Wolf01> I'm planning to kill diablo, but I don't know if I'll be able to do it this evening 19:59:05 *** supermop_elsewhere has joined #openttd 20:00:49 <TrueBrain> wassup andythenorth? 20:03:07 <andythenorth> yo 20:03:54 <andythenorth> TrueBrain: is there a way we can reduce bullshit from making news posts? 20:03:56 <andythenorth> :) 20:04:33 <TrueBrain> owh boy, is it one of these days? Did you take those magic pills like we talked about? :D 20:04:44 <TrueBrain> gathering from the words "reduce bullshit", something triggered you :P 20:04:52 <TrueBrain> guess you need a bit more words to make that clear to me :D 20:05:06 <andythenorth> the actual trigger was World of Tanks Blitz, where I clicked a button to see what it did 20:05:17 <andythenorth> and what it did was take £20 of gold from my account with no warning 20:05:21 <TrueBrain> :o 20:05:26 <TrueBrain> that is .... wow 20:05:31 <TrueBrain> illegal in my country :) 20:05:31 <andythenorth> which is somewhat like being scammed by Belarussians 20:05:39 <andythenorth> meanwhile 20:05:44 <glx> illegal here too I think 20:06:20 <andythenorth> anyway, I stayed up late writing this https://github.com/OpenTTD/website/pull/103 20:06:37 <andythenorth> but it's just like a massively over-engineered process to get it live 20:06:49 <TrueBrain> huh? 20:06:53 <andythenorth> at work, I want to do a blog post, I log in to Wordpress, type, press publish 20:07:00 <TrueBrain> you write blog post, someone approves it, you merge it .. 20:07:06 <TrueBrain> what .... are you smoking exactly? :D 20:07:18 <andythenorth> TL;DR async sucks 20:07:32 <andythenorth> there's no reward doing this work, it's just like unpaid work 20:07:49 <andythenorth> write...wait...wait....get review...make changes...await endless consensus 20:07:56 <andythenorth> then finally someone approves and merges 20:07:56 <TrueBrain> ah, you want dictator mode? 20:08:08 <andythenorth> dunno 20:08:09 <andythenorth> something 20:08:10 <andythenorth> anything 20:08:13 <TrueBrain> well, given that feedback you got on that pullrequest, it seems fair that we do it this way, not? 20:08:25 <TrueBrain> looking at the timestamps, you got that review REALLY quick 20:08:40 <TrueBrain> so .. I am not sure what you trying to say? (honestly, you just pushing out random words, I am trying to pick up context :D) 20:08:40 <andythenorth> dunno, we can have 'monthly' blog posts that are perfect and consesus approved 20:08:45 <andythenorth> the last one was what...July? 20:08:53 <andythenorth> or we can have less good, and it got done 20:08:58 <TrueBrain> and was that really because of the process, or because of the people? 20:09:10 <TrueBrain> seems you trying to fix something in the wrong place? 20:09:26 <andythenorth> I am probably the wrong person to try tbh 20:09:29 <andythenorth> it's my day job 20:09:39 <andythenorth> and I don't have this problem, I just write, publish 20:09:51 <andythenorth> or I just make website, put it through QA, push git tag 20:09:55 <TrueBrain> you publish external information without review? 20:09:59 <andythenorth> all the time 20:10:00 <TrueBrain> sounds you need to fix your day-job process :D 20:10:14 <TrueBrain> please, tell me at least someone else looks at your work before it hits public? 20:10:17 <andythenorth> like I said, I am the wrong person 20:10:19 <TrueBrain> :D 20:10:28 <andythenorth> I am playing with my own skin in the game 20:10:35 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 20:10:51 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 20:11:00 <TrueBrain> anyway, still not fully sure what ticked you off in this process 20:11:11 <TrueBrain> I think it is at easy-going as it can be, given what we have 20:11:23 <TrueBrain> what would you like to see different? 20:11:33 <andythenorth> well 20:11:39 <andythenorth> we could have collaborative editing? 20:11:44 <TrueBrain> we have? 20:11:48 <andythenorth> instead of this bizarre double handling review process 20:11:57 <TrueBrain> E_DID_NOT_PARSE :) 20:12:02 <glx> anyone can push changes to PR 20:12:05 <andythenorth> I have to make a branch in my fork, commit, push, make a PR 20:12:12 <TrueBrain> you are very in-cohesive to me, sorry :( 20:12:14 <andythenorth> then wait review, then await multiple opinions on review 20:12:16 <TrueBrain> you have to do what? 20:12:25 <glx> unless you unticked the box 20:12:39 <TrueBrain> okay, so much to unwrap here .. we go from 0 to 100 20:12:41 <andythenorth> then I have to integrate changes from review, commit, push 20:12:45 <andythenorth> await more review 20:12:48 <TrueBrain> 22:12 <andythenorth> I have to make a branch in my fork, commit, push, make a PR <- no, wrong 20:12:59 <TrueBrain> you make a branch in the website repo, and you all make your changes in there 20:13:06 <TrueBrain> if you don't have those permissions, you can ask 20:13:15 <TrueBrain> (instead of this vague me-hunting-down-what-ticked-you-off) 20:13:24 <andythenorth> I have a 'make new file' button 20:13:27 <andythenorth> and I get a form 20:13:29 <andythenorth> and I fill in all fields 20:13:32 <TrueBrain> 22:12 <andythenorth> then wait review, then await multiple opinions on review <- yes; that is called collaboration. That is what you were looking for, not? 20:13:33 <andythenorth> but the button does not go green 20:13:41 <TrueBrain> so .. ask me about that problem 20:13:43 <TrueBrain> that is something I can help with 20:13:49 <TrueBrain> instead of this now lengthy conversation :) 20:14:16 <glx> you tried to make new file in a branch or master ? 20:14:18 <TrueBrain> 22:12 <andythenorth> then I have to integrate changes from review, commit, push <- no, those changes are made in the branch by who-ever has issues with it. We have done this for the last few monthly dev-posts .. I assumed that would make it clear how you should use it 20:14:21 <TrueBrain> not sure where that went wrong .. 20:14:31 <andythenorth> I tried to make a file, I must be missing a button somewhere 20:14:36 <TrueBrain> I am a bit baffled tbh .. 20:14:39 <TrueBrain> we did, what, 4 monthly dev-posts 20:14:42 <TrueBrain> without a peep 20:14:49 <TrueBrain> and all of a sudden the world is burning? 20:14:49 <andythenorth> 'Commit new file' is disabled 20:15:07 <TrueBrain> so please, don't over-react :D It doesn't make my work easier ;) 20:15:18 <TrueBrain> so, to boil down the whole story: you don't have permissions to create a branch 20:15:20 <TrueBrain> let me check :) 20:15:50 <TrueBrain> you have the same access as I do 20:15:53 <TrueBrain> so something else is amiss 20:16:07 <andythenorth> it will be user error 20:16:10 <glx> hmm I just tried, and the button goes green for me in both master and new branch 20:16:15 <TrueBrain> https://github.com/OpenTTD/website <- click "Branch: master", type in a name of a new branch, and there you go 20:16:16 <andythenorth> there is some field I am not seeing 20:16:43 <TrueBrain> we reuse the branch "monthly-dev-post" for ... the montly dev post 20:16:46 <TrueBrain> but this is fully optional 20:16:58 <TrueBrain> (to reuse, first remove the old, then create the new) 20:17:08 <TrueBrain> https://github.com/OpenTTD/website/branches <- here you can delete branches 20:17:12 <andythenorth> ok so instructions are: edit in github, using branch monthly-dev-post? 20:17:16 <TrueBrain> (hopefully the trash-can is obvious ;)) 20:17:19 <andythenorth> I will try tomorrow with new eyes 20:17:37 <TrueBrain> yes; otherwise ask help 20:17:42 <glx> but I'm an admin, I think for non admin with merge rights creating file in a new branch is possible, but not creating file in master 20:17:43 <TrueBrain> several people in here already went through this process ;) 20:17:54 <TrueBrain> glx: you are one of the few that can edit in master, yes 20:18:04 <glx> there are radio buttons in the bottom of the form 20:26:46 *** jinks has quit IRC 20:28:54 <TrueBrain> pfft, they shouldn't give you choices! 20:35:59 <TrueBrain> okay, so the main question is why Azure didn't got back to me ... I wrote them a nice email, I would expect a reply by now .. even if it was to say: FU, not happening 20:36:21 <andythenorth> gold standard service :P 20:37:04 <TrueBrain> nah; just if they do any form of discounts for Open Source projects 20:37:26 <TrueBrain> they do for non-profits, but .. we don't have a legal entity ;) 20:38:06 <andythenorth> is there a 'follows #nnnn' concept in Github PRs? 20:38:14 <andythenorth> or do we have to that in notes? 20:38:29 <TrueBrain> 'follows #nnnn'? 20:38:38 <andythenorth> a PR that depends on a prior PR 20:38:50 <TrueBrain> ah; that doesn't exist, basically 20:38:58 * andythenorth trying to figure out how not to make a mess in a diff 20:38:58 <TrueBrain> either that is in the same PR, or they are not overlapping 20:39:27 <TrueBrain> comes from the idea: either you are finished or you are not 20:39:34 <glx> you can keep the branch in your repo for now, the file is editable there anyway ;) 20:39:35 <TrueBrain> I don't always agree with the choices; but at least they are choices :D 20:40:38 <andythenorth> the cleanest is to not make a PR until the prior PR is merged, which I think is what glx is suggesting 20:43:51 <glx> but you can still work on the next part from a branch of the PR, so once it's merged you just rebase your working branch 20:44:40 <andythenorth> yes 20:44:44 <andythenorth> thanks 20:45:18 <andythenorth> FWIW TrueBrain, sometime this year you wrote "some more serious thought, what would really help for OpenTTD, I think, is if the README.md in the root folder was meant for people visiting GitHub" 20:45:25 <andythenorth> which is what I'm working on, hurrah 20:45:32 <TrueBrain> \o/ 20:45:32 <glx> like my https://github.com/glx22/OpenTTD/commits/cmake_api branch is based on the cmake one 20:45:38 <andythenorth> all prizes 20:46:11 <TrueBrain> in the meantime I am pretty much stuck with DigitalOcean, and I have to build much myself .. 20:46:17 <TrueBrain> but Azure is twice as expensive .. 20:46:20 <TrueBrain> which ticks me off :P 20:46:50 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth updated pull request #7778: Doc: split compiling instructions from README, as they aren't requir… https://git.io/Je4DK 20:47:11 <andythenorth> we don't have the funds? :| 20:47:18 <andythenorth> or you just like to win? :) 20:48:01 <TrueBrain> no, when starting this migration to a more managed platform, I had the goal to not spend more than twice we do now 20:48:10 <TrueBrain> which mister o said was well within what we had to spend 20:48:21 <TrueBrain> going double on that, I would have to check in again 20:48:24 <TrueBrain> possibly 20:48:39 <TrueBrain> but it also becomes this number that just sounds too big .. but possibly I should just ignore that annoying feeling 20:48:54 <TrueBrain> either way, I at least always like to ask; even if the answer is: no, we don't give discounts, that is fine 20:49:01 <TrueBrain> just the getting no reply is .. annoying 20:49:43 *** supermop_elsewhere has quit IRC 20:50:19 <glx> the most annoying part with DO is the absence of ipv6 support 20:50:30 <TrueBrain> no IPv6 and UDP on their LB 20:50:44 <TrueBrain> the constant 404s on their CDN for reasons I still don't get 20:50:58 <TrueBrain> managed database that starts at 15 dollar a month 20:51:07 <TrueBrain> it is perfect for the small stuff 20:51:22 <TrueBrain> it becomes a bit problematic if you start to want more :) 20:51:28 <TrueBrain> which is totally fine, and I fully get it 20:51:30 <TrueBrain> not blaming DO :) 20:51:44 <andythenorth> anyone want to point out needed improvements in this, before I do too much? https://github.com/andythenorth/OpenTTD/blob/revise-readme-october-2019/README.md 20:52:05 <andythenorth> #1 improvement: it doesn't tell you where to just download OpenTTD and start playin it 20:52:09 <andythenorth> playing * 20:52:15 <TrueBrain> main issue I have, it is too long 20:52:24 <TrueBrain> lot of stuff nobody really cares about 20:52:24 <andythenorth> compiling info is split out 20:52:32 <andythenorth> other stuff could be split out 20:52:48 <andythenorth> at some point I wonder about distinction between github .md docs, and website info 20:52:54 <andythenorth> there is some blurred lines 20:52:55 <andythenorth> also wiki 20:53:05 <TrueBrain> like 5.1 and 5.2 .. nice and all .. but really in a README? 20:53:28 <TrueBrain> 7.2 ... like anyone still doing that? 20:53:39 <andythenorth> doubt it 20:53:56 <glx> 7.2 has nothing to do in the readme I think 20:54:13 <andythenorth> +1 20:54:20 <andythenorth> do we want DEBUGGING.md ? 20:54:38 <glx> translation stuff should probably go in CONTRIBUTING.MD 20:55:07 <andythenorth> don't we translate with eints? 20:55:18 <glx> we do 20:55:42 <andythenorth> So, now that you have notified the development team about your intention to 20:55:43 <andythenorth> translate (You did, right? Of course you did.) you can pick up english.txt 20:55:44 <andythenorth> (found in the Git repository under /src/lang) and translate. 20:55:55 <glx> but translating is contributing 20:55:59 <TrueBrain> for me, it is not as much as slimming down README.md, but more about making one that fits with GH 20:56:37 <andythenorth> I am going to look at a few others 20:56:56 <glx> the stuff in the readme really looks like creating a brand new translation 20:57:07 <TrueBrain> it is :) 20:57:20 <glx> and readme is not really the place for that :) 20:57:22 <andythenorth> see this is much much simpler no? https://github.com/twbs/bootstrap 20:57:35 <TrueBrain> the README used to be for another public/goal 20:58:00 <andythenorth> times change :D 20:58:16 <TrueBrain> yes it does 20:59:04 <glx> some stuff in the readme just needs to move away from the readme, but kept in docs 20:59:31 <andythenorth> Get Started, Community, Contribute, License, Credits?? 21:00:05 <andythenorth> hmm needs Supported Platforms 21:00:35 <andythenorth> and Translating 21:00:36 <andythenorth> ok 21:01:17 <glx> supported platforms can stay in readme 21:01:19 *** spnda has joined #openttd 21:01:34 <glx> same for installing and running 21:03:19 <glx> and we could probably generate a config.md from settingsgen to document the config file 21:03:42 <andythenorth> oh that would be nice 21:03:53 <andythenorth> how much of this should be in website? 21:03:57 <andythenorth> or delegated to wiki? 21:04:08 <andythenorth> README.md should mostly be links / signposts? 21:05:36 <glx> readme should at least give the info on how to run openttd 21:06:27 <glx> it's part of the bundle 21:06:48 <andythenorth> ok cool 21:06:52 <andythenorth> so keep all of https://github.com/andythenorth/OpenTTD/blob/revise-readme-october-2019/README.md#40-installing-and-running-openttd 21:07:59 <glx> bug report procedure can stay too, but maybe move advanced debug (desyncs) outside of it 21:09:20 <glx> and for me supported platforms could be included in the about section 21:09:40 <andythenorth> +1 21:10:38 <andythenorth> https://github.com/andythenorth/OpenTTD/blob/revise-readme-october-2019/README.md#30-supported-platforms 21:10:50 <andythenorth> Windows Allegro is now dead, if I understood correctly? 21:11:03 <andythenorth> FreeBSD and OpenBSD justify separate entries? 21:11:09 <glx> I think it was never really tested 21:11:27 <glx> for SDL I need to test but it's probably broken too 21:12:06 <andythenorth> Linux Allegro valid? 21:12:33 <glx> as it was not a full SDL app, but a win32 app with soft loading of SDL.dll 21:13:36 *** Wolf01 has quit IRC 21:13:45 <andythenorth> ok 21:14:31 <frosch123> linux allegro worked last time i tried (2 years ago) 21:15:20 <frosch123> also i need to clean my mouse 21:15:31 <frosch123> every now and then clicking left also does click right 21:15:35 <frosch123> so weird 21:15:54 *** spnda has quit IRC 21:15:56 <glx> ah mine does double or triple clicks on the 3 buttons 21:16:44 <frosch123> well, your fault sounds intuitive 21:17:00 <frosch123> but i see no mechanical coupling between left and right 21:17:09 <andythenorth> no dirt in it? 21:17:11 <frosch123> first i though it was a software bug :p 21:17:15 <glx> but it's a 2002 model :) 21:17:16 <andythenorth> is the flex pinched? 21:17:19 <TrueBrain> fat fingers? :D 21:17:36 <andythenorth> most of my typing erros are because Apple keys are too close together :P 21:17:40 <glx> so probably dying microswitches 21:17:50 <frosch123> no, i tested it with xev 21:18:09 <frosch123> contant clicking and then suddenly the wrong key intermixed :p 21:18:35 <andythenorth> this ok for supported platforms + legacy support? https://github.com/andythenorth/OpenTTD/blob/revise-readme-october-2019/README.md#30-supported-platforms 21:18:43 <andythenorth> ignore the heading order in the file 21:21:22 <glx> "quickly" trying building with sdl (mingw build) 21:21:45 <glx> because doing it in VS is not as easy 21:22:13 <glx> requires changes in the project file 21:23:30 <andythenorth> DEBUGGING_DESYNCS.md ? :P 21:23:53 <glx> no need for the caps :) 21:24:04 <andythenorth> docs/debugging_desyncs.md? 21:24:07 <andythenorth> might be better 21:24:10 <glx> yes 21:24:11 <andythenorth> root of repo is getting cloudy 21:24:29 <glx> root should have basic md 21:24:46 <glx> README, COMPILING, CONTRIBUTING 21:24:55 <glx> the rest can go in docs 21:25:01 <andythenorth> +1 21:26:10 <andythenorth> seems fine? https://github.com/andythenorth/OpenTTD/blob/revise-readme-october-2019/docs/debugging_desyncs.md 21:26:44 <glx> should be if it's just a copy paste :) 21:27:00 *** k-man has quit IRC 21:28:56 <glx> hmm building with sdl seems to work 21:29:07 <glx> needs to test some stuff 21:30:09 <glx> List of video drivers: 21:30:09 <glx> win32: Win32 GDI Video Driver 21:30:09 <glx> sdl: SDL Video Driver 21:30:09 <glx> dedicated: Dedicated Video Driver 21:30:09 <glx> null: Null Video Driver 21:30:14 <glx> seems right 21:30:26 <glx> let's try to use them now :) 21:35:44 <glx> ok sdl works, but dmusic fails with sdl driver is used 21:37:39 <glx> default driver is win32 anyway 21:40:04 <andythenorth> rewriting this https://github.com/andythenorth/OpenTTD/blob/revise-readme-october-2019/README.md#20-contact-and-community 21:40:15 *** nielsm has joined #openttd 21:40:30 <andythenorth> the wiki is official-but-not-quite? 21:40:36 <nielsm> oh turns out _that_s why this channel was so silent today 21:40:38 *** Progman has quit IRC 21:40:40 <nielsm> my client hadn't joined for some reason 21:40:54 <glx> ahah dmusic fails when sdl is used as video or sound driver 21:41:21 <glx> wiki is a wiki 21:42:03 <andythenorth> https://github.com/andythenorth/OpenTTD/blob/revise-readme-october-2019/README.md#20-contact-and-community 21:42:38 <andythenorth> lol nielsm 21:43:09 <glx> nielsm: happens to me when for some reason IPv6 is down on my side 21:43:38 <nielsm> IPv6 has never been up here so that's not a cause 21:52:12 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 22:00:18 <andythenorth> bedtime 22:00:20 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 22:08:12 *** gelignite has quit IRC 22:08:16 *** nielsm has quit IRC 22:13:37 *** arikover has quit IRC 22:41:53 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 22:41:54 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 23:21:55 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC